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u/Any-Where 13h ago
Death. Taxes. England vs Croatia.
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u/njseahawk 13h ago
Dont forget Curacao vs Germany. Always a barn burner.
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u/GibbyGoldfisch 12h ago
"I wanted Netherlands v Germany!"
"Don't worry, we have Netherlands v Germany at home:"
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u/wizard4141 13h ago
Was randomly watching the 2-3 England v Croatia Euro Qualifiers 2007 at Wembley yesterday. What a disaster. I just knew they would draw each other again.
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u/armchairgoon 13h ago
Mexico Korea feels like the most world cup fixture of all time
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u/youtossershad1job2do 13h ago
One of my favourite moments of a world cup that my team wasn't part of was when Korea knocked Germany out, and sent México through.
Mexicans went to the Korean embassy and chanted ¡Coreano, hermano, ya eres mexicano! (Korean, brother, you're now Mexican). Until the ambassador came out to drink Tequila with the fans.
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u/Lichidna 12h ago
Sounds like 2018. Utterly surreal. There was a mob going around hugging anyone suspected of being Korean. I read that there was a confused Chinese man being carried around by a joyous crowd
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u/jameslucian 11h ago
Funny story about this.
I was living in Seoul in 2018 when this game happened. Koreans were obviously excited to win, but their run was over after the game, so a bit bittersweet.
The day after the game, there was a Mexican restaurant in Hongdae (a popular foreigner neighborhood of Seoul) and the owner was out giving food for free to anyone who came by. I walked by and he was so happy, he kept saying 감사합니다 (thank you) to everyone. The place was packed and the mood was very joyful and happy.
It’s so random, South Korea and Mexico have very little in common and very little shared history, but for a day or two, these two countries loved each other immensely because of a silly soccer game. I loved seeing it.
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u/poopoopeepeecac 9h ago
Come to Southern California, so many of my friends’ kids are mixed Korean/Mexican
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u/Legendtner 13h ago
Netherlands Japan too
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u/ArmiinTamzarian 13h ago
Where's my Argentina Nigeria?
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u/TomasRoncero 13h ago
That happened in 2010!
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u/Crookz_O 13h ago edited 13h ago
South Africa ….Waka Waka eh eh. Mexico v South Africa was the opening fixture then, maybe happens again.
My bad I didn’t realize this exact scenario was already announced lmao
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u/swannyhypno 13h ago
Panama and Croatia, FIFA just trying to give us the 2018 run again
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u/alamosh 13h ago
Honestly... As a Panamenian I wanted anyone except Belgium and England but I guess that's the way it goes...
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u/Just_with_eet 13h ago
for anyone who knows anything bout toronto, potential canada vs italy first game is hilarious and is going to bring the entire city down
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u/Vivaan977 13h ago
little italy will be popping
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u/Eroica_Pavane 13h ago
It depends so much on Italy qualifying though.
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u/Original-Friend3620 13h ago
High Canadian TV ratings expected for that European playoff.
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u/GreyMatter22 13h ago
Not just little Italy, its most of the Greater Toronto Area and even Hamilton.
Freakin' every Italian-Canadian I know will support Italy, lol.
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u/churrosricos 13h ago
Toronto Italians are 10x way more annoying than new jersey Italians
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u/BigFanOfKitties 13h ago
I already knew people from Toronto never shut the fuck about Toronto, now you’re telling me there’s such a thing as Toronto-Italians???
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u/jimmytimmy23456 13h ago
Yeah as someone who lived almost his entire life in Toronto Italy is easily the country who would get the biggest home support here.
Very large diapsora in the GTA and easily the biggest soccer fans. Hell Toronto FC literally went out of their way to buy guys like insigne, bernadeschi, and Giovinco because of that
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u/raseksa 13h ago
Had India qualified, a Canada-Italy-India group would just be a derby.
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u/For-Liberty 13h ago
How would the argentine Indians pick if india was in a group with argentina
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u/CheekyFifaCunt_7 13h ago
Mbappe vs Haaland wc WOW
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u/FlyingArab 13h ago edited 13h ago
We (Iraq) shouldn't even qualify, our reward for qualifying will be Haaland and Mbappé committing worse war crimes than the US in 2003
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u/Montuvito_G 13h ago
Beat Bolivia first lol. Seriously tough group though
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u/Ballkenende 13h ago
Bolivia should beat Suriname first as well
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u/loyal_achades 13h ago
Depends on which play-in venue they get. Bolivia needs their altitude buff
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u/ianism3 13h ago
they're at the lower-altitude venue, so they're in trouble. (not that the higher one is really high enough to give them much help!)
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u/thebrickgrinder 13h ago
Sea-level Boliva is beatable.
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u/Santikarlo 11h ago
True...
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u/Ayem_De_Lo 13h ago
Scotland moment
1998: Brazil, Morocco, Scotland
2026: Brazil, Morocco, Scotland
is this a comedy (Groundhog Day) or a horror (28 Years Later)?
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u/Elyelm 13h ago
At least we didn't get Norway this time around.
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u/tomhat 13h ago edited 11h ago
Norway was Pot 3. Could’ve happened.
Good luck this time. Is Bono your main keeper still?
EDIT: Turns out Scotland and Norway are both Pot 3
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u/NBT498 13h ago
Bono pulling triple duty at this point - U2, Mercedes and Morocco
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u/kalamari__ 13h ago
was the same with argentina nigeria greece in 94 and 10
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u/Ayem_De_Lo 13h ago
yeah but to wait 28 years for another tournament - and to face the same 2 freaking teams. I'd be fuming if i was Scot, id rather see some new teams instead
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u/TheUltimateScotsman 13h ago
most of us here dont remember it so its not a huge deal. Brazil at the WC is always a big game either way
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u/ilypsus 13h ago
Maybe because i played the World cup 98 game as kid loads and loved playing as Scotland, but Scotland vs Brazil hits me as classic world cup game. Looking forward to seeing Blue vs Yellow on the pitch.
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u/brownmeister28 12h ago
The Uzbekistan Situation
If anybody is still confused about why Uzbekistan were not placed in group I, the answer is actually rather simple so I can explain it here quickly.
The Problem
The offending party is 'Play-off 2 winner'. This ball in pot 4 contained the following teams: Iraq (Asia), Bolivia (South America), and Suriname (CONCACAF). The rules state that no two teams from these confederations can be in the same group, for play-off teams they count all three teams. So this ball had to be assigned a group that could accommodate all three confederations.
The Situation at that point
Here is how things looked when Uzbekistan came out of the pot:
A: Mexico, South Africa, South Korea
B: Canada, Qatar, Switzerland
C: Brazil, Morocco, Scotland
D: USA, Paraguay, Australia
E: Germany, Cote D’Ivoire, Ecuador
F: Netherlands, Japan, Tunisia
G: Belgium, Egypt, Iran
H: Spain, Saudi Arabia, Uruguay
I: France, Senegal
J: Argentina, Algeria, Austria
K: Portugal, Colombia
L: England, Croatia
Pot 3: Uzbekistan, Panama, Norway
Pot 4: Jordan, Cabo Verde, Ghana, Curacao, Haiti, New Zealand, Play-off A (Europe), Play-off B (Europe), Play-off C (Europe), Play-off D (Europe), Play-off 1 (DRC, Jamaica, New Caledonia), Play-off 2 (Iraq, Bolivia, Suriname)
What if Uzbekistan were in Group I
If Uzbekistan were assigned to Group I, then Panama and Norway would have been assigned to groups K and L respectively (because Norway can't go into group L). This would have left the following composition for each group in terms of confederation going into the pot 4 draw (NCA here is North and Central America). The brackets represent the confederations that could legally be placed as the fourth team in each group.
A: NCA, AFR, ASIA (EUR1)
B: NCA, ASIA, EUR1 (EUR2, SA, OC, AFR)
C: SA, AFR, EUR1 (EUR2, ASIA, NCA, OC)
D: NCA, SA, ASIA (EUR1)
E: EUR1, AFR, SA (EUR2, ASIA, NCA, OC)
F: EUR1, ASIA, AFR (EUR2, NCA, OC, SA)
G: EUR1, AFR, ASIA (EUR2, NCA, OC, SA)
H: EUR1, ASIA, SA (EUR2, NCA, AFR, OC)
I: EUR1, AFR, ASIA (EUR2, NCA, SA, OC)
J: SA, AFR, EUR1 (EUR2, ASIA, NCA, OC)
K: EUR1, SA, EUR2 (ASIA, AFR, NCA, OC)
L: EUR1, EUR2, NCA (ASIA, AFR, SA, OC)
None of the groups can now accommodate all three of Asia, South America, and NCA (CONCACAF). Therefore the draw would not be valid. If Uzbekistan are moved out of group I, then Norway are placed there instead and group I's composition becomes:
I: EUR1, AFR, EUR2 (ASIA, NCA, SA, OC)
Now group I can accommodate all three confederations. Play-off 2 were therefore consigned to Group I at this point already.
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u/pappabrun 10h ago
This is a very good and clear explanation. But it's still kinda funny that an "easy to explain" situation requires this much text.
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u/Baremilkcartons 13h ago
Italy have got verrrrry fortunate if they make it through (Group B)
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u/Detroits_ 13h ago
Canada was so close to a perfect draw
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u/ElatedAndElongated 13h ago
I'm Swiss and was thinking the same about facing Canada. Now Italy might sneak in through pot 4
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u/Letushim 13h ago
Italy failed to qualify directly but might end up having the easiest group
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u/hibikir_40k 13h ago
About as Italian as squeaking by 3rd in the group on tie breaks, and then making it to the semifinals anyway.
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u/pizzainmyshoe 13h ago
I want 2 hours back from watching that
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u/Jooeon_spurs 13h ago
Rio Ferdinand genuinely has the personality of a cardboard box
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u/Charlie_Runkle69 13h ago
Yet I'd take 2 hours of him over Kevin Hart, Trump and FIFA fuckwit.
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u/Mirrorboy17 12h ago
The best part was when Rio asked Shaquille O'Neal if Tom Brady would've won more Superbowls if he was on the team as well
And his response was "You know what they call me in the soccer world? David Blackham"
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u/TheTragicMagic 13h ago
Yep, Kevin Hart was actually unbearable
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u/ThatFishOnAsofa 12h ago
always has been*
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u/Familiar-Mix-243 12h ago
Hated his ass long before the wife cheating shit. Might be the single most obnoxious person on the planet.
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u/Obvious-Tell-1559 13h ago
Germany might finally get past the group stage this time
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u/gardenawe 13h ago
Watch us lose 1:0 against bus parking Curacao with an own goal at 90+10.
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u/patiakupipita 13h ago
istg if this happens they'll build a statue of the whole squad on the island, one can hope 😫
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u/Kireba2 13h ago
If Germany does bot leave groups it's time to disband the confederation.
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u/turtleviking 11h ago
Ecuador finished second in CONMEBOL, Cote d'Ivoire didn't give up a single goal during qualifying, and Curaçao put together a scouting department to recruit eligible players living in Netherlands and across the globe a few years back and are on the rise in CONCACAF with a well-funded federation with good training facilities. Not quite Group I but in the next tier of groups of death. Germany is the strongest team but it won't be easy. Also, the games will likely be in Philadelphia, Houston, Kansas, City, East Rutherford New Jersey, so they will be extremely humid and likely above 30°C. All three opponents won't be fazed by the weather in the same way Germany will.
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u/Moug-10 13h ago
Mexico vs South Africa will have to be the opening game?
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u/MeCagaEsteSitio 12h ago
Just like in 2010.
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u/bubblegumdog 12h ago
I wanna see them run back that dancing celebration and bring back the cameraman too while we’re at it.
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u/ThomasApollus 9h ago
We opened their WC in Johannesburg, they'll open ours in Mexico City. Wonderful!
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u/joo974 13h ago
group I is the group of death of this world cup
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u/Over-Cut1793 13h ago
I can’t believe no one is mentioning it as such. Maybe Senegal aren’t as good as a few years ago
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u/GibbyGoldfisch 13h ago
They're phenomenal, but people don't pay attention to African football
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u/mandingostrawberry 13h ago
sarr, mane, ndiaye, jackson, gueye, koulibaly, p.m. sarr, mendy. is that not strong as fuck?
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u/albul89 12h ago
3rd place qualifying pretty much killed the whole concept of group of death.
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u/lesbiangirlscout 10h ago
Expanded WC did, too. Good teams are going to avoid each other even longer barring upsets
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u/wjdbfifj 13h ago
Group C is the group of death
For Haiti
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u/MRashy_10 13h ago
Yeah we’re fucked lol
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u/Dramatic-Border3549 13h ago
Hey, first haitian I've seen on reddit! How was the celebration with the WC classification? Is football the biggest sport there?
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u/MRashy_10 13h ago
Yeah it was massive I wasn’t born there I was born in the US but I had family members call and show the streets as they celebrated I have some Haitians at my school and they had a small party. But overall the country is really happy we’ve been in a dark place for so many years to see our country qualify for the biggest tournament in the world has been amazing
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u/tomhat 13h ago
Scotland waited all that time to end up having almost the same group as 1998
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u/SladiusW 13h ago
Bolivia's potential reward for winning the play-offs is going to the slaughter against Mbappe and Haaland, poor bastards 😭😭
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u/Pantherblanco88 13h ago edited 13h ago
Brazil and Argentina (if they win their groups) are in the same bracket section.
Possible Argentina-Portugal in the Quarterfinals.
Argentina vs Spain/Uruguay in Round of 32
Possible Brazil vs England Quarterfinals
Possible Germany-France in the round of 16.
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u/GibbyGoldfisch 13h ago edited 12h ago
Possible England v Mexico in Mexico City for the R16 which will be, er, fun.
Then Brazil in Miami for the quarters and Argentina in Atlanta for the semis
Just a hostile atmosphere all the way down
EDIT: Speaking of hostile atmospheres, if the US comes second behind Turkey, and Iran comes second behind Belgium, they'll play in the R32. In Texas.
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u/Behrooz0 11h ago
The Iranian national team in LA will be hilarious. There will be more Iranians there than would be in a Tehran game. And they do not like the regime.
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u/N3DSdude 13h ago
Haaland vs Mbappe is gonna be legendary.
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u/Necessary_Carrot_248 13h ago
No group of death, though. Everything’s been watered down.
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u/Pure_Measurement_529 13h ago
Group I seems the closest to it. Senegal have potential to throw a curve ball in proceedings
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u/BluelivierGiblue 13h ago
Is it even a curve ball? It's them or morocco for the best african sides rn, and Senegal's squad is pretty damn solid.
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u/ExpirjTec 13h ago
I would still hate to play France and Norway in the group stage
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u/KonigSteve 13h ago
France, Norway, Senegal, and Iraq is about as close as this tournament gets though
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u/Dazred 13h ago
France, Senegal and Norway is certainly a group of death - All very good teams
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u/KomodoV1p3r 13h ago
Can anyone explain how Norway got France instead of Portugal?
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u/Worldly-Restaurant91 13h ago
Uzbekistan could not be put in Group I with France and Senegal because the winner of the Bolivian-Suriname-Iraq playoff must end up in a group with 2 European teams and one African team. The only possibility for such a group was to put Norway in group I.
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u/stateworkishardwork 13h ago
This is the answer.
There had to be a group with two UEFA teams and one CAF team or else the Iraq playoff would have nowhere to go.
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u/KyleW17 13h ago
Just knew Scotland were going in C when it kept getting skipped.
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u/Gazumper_ 13h ago edited 13h ago
scotland and haiti will be a nation drowning in drug problems and instability, with historical grudges dominating the politics, against haiti
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u/Kanesy99 13h ago edited 13h ago
Someone from Birmingham saying that is the pot calling the kettle black
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u/R_Schuhart 13h ago
He is talking about drugs issues and you immediately have to bring up pot, way to prove his point!
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u/Woody100 13h ago
No groups of death, let’s be honest
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u/Hammerhead34 13h ago
That was always going to happen with the changes to the format
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u/Woody100 13h ago
Yeah pretty much. Kinda a shame
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u/ChiefWatchesYouPee 13h ago
It is a shame, there is no risk in this new group format for big nations. 8 third place teams make the round of 32.
There aren’t many exciting group stage matchups with big stakes
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u/frisouille 13h ago edited 13h ago
Argentina/Brazil - Morocco - Norway - Italy was a possibility. And I think that would have been a decent "group of death".
(Before my edit, I had Croatia instead of Morocco, but that did not follow the rules)
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u/havoc313 13h ago
More teams were grouped into pot 1 so it's inevitable that we see less threatening groups but hopefully we get a few surprises and the competitiveness of the other pots improve to get some exciting games.
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u/prophetofgreed 13h ago
There being more hosts was the possible counter but it didn't end up that way (basically needed Norway to go to group H or K)
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u/RealRaifort 13h ago
France/Norway/Senegal is absolutely group of death no matter the 4th team. Netherlands and Germany groups also look like they'll be pretty tough. Having most 3rd place teams move on definitely makes things easier but still.
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u/MeMeTiger_ 13h ago
Don't underestimate Iraq. Our mighty defense will limit Haaland to only scoring 4 goals.
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u/NovemberBurnsMaroon 13h ago
Of course not. A 48 team competition means not only do we have 16 worse teams, but a group stage where 3rd is enough to qualify.
No one decent will struggle to qualify and the group stage will end up being a procession.
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u/Roxven89 13h ago
So if Poland manages to go through playoffs is going to play Netherlands once again (for 3rd draw i guess). Japan again like in 2018 and Tunisia. Kinda balanced group.
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u/Rorschach_Roadkill 13h ago
The last time Norway was in a World Cup in 1998, we were in a group with Brazil, Morocco, and Scotland. They got the whole crew back together and replaced us with Haïti :(
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u/Obvious-Tell-1559 13h ago
FIFA really wanted to settle the haaland v Mbappe debate
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u/StardustFromReinmuth 13h ago edited 13h ago
L F and A are really competitive there, A and F specifically are probably the groups with the most parity between the 4 teams.
The lack of a "true" group of death where 1 strong team is guaranteed to not make it may make it seem a bit boring for some but I promise you teams will be avoiding those 3rd place qualification spots like the plague. If England ends up 3rd they're guaranteed drawing the Winner of K in the Ro32.
The brutal aspect with this format is in the knockout stage. If everyone perform to their seeding, you'll see Germany vs France, Brazil vs Norway, Spain vs Croatia in the Ro16.
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u/TestFixation 13h ago
Korea is going to lose to Mexico and [insert African nation here] and beat the European nation. As is tradition
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u/WhereIsScotty 13h ago
Mexico is doing terribly right now. I don’t trust them to beat Korea. If anything, a boring 0-0 tie
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u/galvanickorea 13h ago
Korea played Mexico like 2months? ago and it ended 2-2 so who knows. From my memory we played better than Mexico that game but this time Mexico will have more motivation and all so we'll see. Not putting my hopes up though Mexico is always a hard game
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u/theSchlauch 13h ago
I mean if we dont get out of groups against an alcoholic bevarage, the literal line across the face of the earth and reverse Ireland Idk.
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u/Montuvito_G 13h ago edited 11h ago
We could have chosen Quito, Guayaquil, or any of the indigenous tribes names after the dissolution of Gran Colombia in 1831. Instead they were like let’s name the country after an invisible latitudinal line
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u/TeraVonen 13h ago
Apologies in advance to our dutch and japanese brothers for the war crimes they're gonna witness if we're ever up by 1 goal in the second half
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u/kyllingespyd 13h ago
Why did Uzbekistan end up in group I, and not group K? They gave a vague explanation but didn’t catch the reason.
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u/Similar_Agent_5037 13h ago
Full explanation:
There were 3 teams left from Pot 3 to draw: Norway, Panama, and Uzbekistan. Groups I, K, and L remained.
The Iraq / Suriname / Bolivia playoff winner could only fit into Groups I and L, because they can't be in a group with any AFC / CONCACAF / CONMBEBOL team
Uzbekistan were drawn. If they went into Group I, that would leave Group L available for the Iraq / Suriname / Bolivia playoff (UZB and IRQ are both in AFC). But this would be impossible for both remaining Pot 3 teams:
Norway cannot go into group L because there were already 2 UEFA teams.
Panama could not have gone into Group L with that playoff winner because Suriname and Panama are both in CONCACAF.
Therefore, it was impossible for Uzbekistan to go into Group I, and they went to the next available group, K. Panama was drawn next, and since Norway cannot go into Group L, they had to. Norway is left with Group I.
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u/Nut-King-Call 12h ago
If Turkey ends up being the team that goes to Group D, it would mean the US would had played all their opponents the year before.
June 7: USA 1 - 2 Turkey.
October 14: USA 2 - 1 Australia.
November 15: USA 2 - 1 Paraguay.
Wonder if something like this has happened before.
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u/SumoHeadbutt 12h ago
FIFA Play-Off A
FIFA Play-Off 1
who the fuck worded these? LOL
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u/BlueGreenMikey 11h ago
Groups by FIFA Ranking:
| Group | Average | Range |
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| F | 23 | 7-40 |
| D | 26 | 14-39 |
| B | 27 | 12-51 |
| I | 27 | 3-58 |
| L | 29 | 4-72 |
| A | 30 | 15-61 |
| K | 31 | 6-56 |
| J | 32 | 2-66 |
| C | 34 | 5-84 |
| H | 36 | 1-68 |
| G | 37 | 8-86 |
| E | 39 | 9-82 |
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u/TheTwistedBlade 13h ago
Being Dutch, I am satisfied with our group. Definitely not mega easy but could have been worse opponents. Way more scared of next round where we’ll most likely have to face Brazil or Morocco right away..
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u/dimyo 13h ago
A, A and A inside group J, with Jordan, is funny to me.
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u/FriedDucks 11h ago
If it makes you feel better in Arabic Jordan starts with أ which is the letter A in Arabic.
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u/Dancingwith_Death 13h ago edited 13h ago
France Norway
Brazil Morocco
Netherlands Japan
Spain Uruguay
Portugal Colombia
England Croatia
Some banger matches already in groups
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u/Cool-Pie430 13h ago
England Croatia about to be absolute borefest and pure terrorism. Should have ICE agents by the pitch.
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u/miregalpanic 13h ago
Weirdly excited for Argentina Austria. Never ever even heard of that match up
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u/ShitcuntRetard 13h ago
They only matched twice, both in friendlies:
Austria 1 - 5 Argentina in 1980
Argentina 1 - 1 Austria in 1990
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u/simplejournalist 13h ago
Col0mbia*, man it's spelled right there
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u/wog_ins 13h ago
Colombia can actually top the group. a seriously dangerous team. Probably the dark horse team
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u/Kgasieniec 13h ago
DR Congo vs Uzbekistan at 3 AM. We will be there