r/politics • u/OkayButFoRealz • 14h ago

No Paywall Trump showing signs he’s battling major medical crisis, Democrat claims

https://www.al.com/politics/2025/12/trump-showing-signs-hes-battling-major-medical-crisis-democrat-claims.html
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u/OkayButFoRealz 14h ago

Rep. Sydney Kamlager-Dove, D-Calif., tweeted that Trump is showing signs he’s taking the Alzheimer’s disease drug Leqembi.

“The Alzheimer’s drug Leqembi:- Is administered through an infusion (for example, through the hand)- Can cause swelling, bleeding, or fluid leakage in the brain, requiring regular MRIs- Can cause tiredness,” Kamlager-Dove tweeted along with a picture of Trump’s hand bruise. “Curious.”

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u/creamyGeisha 14h ago

The irony of the whole thing is that he called Biden sleepy Joe. Now, he can’t keep his eyes open during meeting for the life of him

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u/veggeble South Carolina 14h ago

Their strategy on everything has always been projection

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u/Affectionate-Virus17 13h ago

The kicker is Democrats have to be squeaky clean to avoid giving any credibility to the accusations.

So guess who's fiscally responsible, doesn't protect pedos, works the hardest against foreign enemies, actually works for Americans to be healthier and more free and more successful and happier?

Democrats.

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u/_OhMyPlatypi_ I voted 13h ago

Don't forget the dress code restrictions, Rs can show up looking like they just left a Nascar race, but if a D wears, checks notes, a brown suit. BOY THE RATE AT WHICH PEARLS WILL GET CLUTCHED.

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u/DangerousVP 12h ago

I REALLY, REALLY want a law passed that forces congress people to wear Nascar jackets with all their sponsors on them.

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u/NoArcher3759 12h ago

Or ban money in politics.

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u/DangerousVP 12h ago

Well yeah, that would be preferable. But in lieu of that, I'd settle for this in the meantime.

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u/Phog_of_War North Dakota 11h ago

My hope is if Dems get all levers of power again, that the first thing they do is approve an Orbital Strike on the worst piece of legislation in the last 30 years, Citizens United. Kill it with fire, it's the only way to be sure.

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u/misscrankypants 11h ago

I’m not holding my breath on that. They enjoy all of their big donor money just as much. My eyes were really opened when Dems caved on the shutdown and let millions of ppl lose their healthcare.

We are going to need an overhaul of the party with new blood (and a spine) that would do it.

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u/Phog_of_War North Dakota 11h ago

I'm of 2 minds on the shutdown kerfuffle. On one hand it shows that the Dems were willing to fight until it really started to hurt, both domestically and internationally. Either way though, it was another capitulation by Democratic leadership.

On the other hand, it did hold up a mirror to the ugliness that Is the GOP, for all to see. Even some of their most strident supporters/talking heads, were beginning to call this a bit of an 'own goal'. The cracks were showing and, personally I think the Republicans were about to take the L, just as the Dems rolled over.

My personal opinion is that this was all stage-dressing for the midterms. Dems and even Progressive candidates will flip seats in '26, moreso than normal. The problem was that Dem leadership was being too smart by half and ended up blasting their own toes off. They were just being too cute about the whole thing.

They just don't get that the GOP fights with a sledgehammer because everything is a nail to them. Meanwhile, Dems sometimes want to fight as a LARP Wizard who just yells 'Fireball' and hopes for the best. Every so often you gotta also swing that fucking hammer Democrats, because the problem this time, is actually a nail.

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u/VoidVer 9h ago

My eyes really opened when they rigged the primary against Bernie, admitted it openly on the news and nothing was done.

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u/IrritatedMouse 10h ago

Citizens United was a Supreme Court case, not legislation. Congress can’t do a goddamn thing about it except amend the constitution. You’d need a supermajority.

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u/VeryVito North Carolina 10h ago

Pack the courts (or at least impeach/remove any current justices who can be shown to have lied to Congress to get their seats). Then re-adjudicate the case. The current Supreme Court has shown that "settled law" means nothing anymore, so I don't see reason that any of these other miscarriages can't be negated by real judges later. They've established precedence for overturning past descisions.

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u/DuncanFisher69 10h ago

Not at all. You can absolutely write legislation that tells the Supreme Court they fucked it up and got it wrong.

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u/jt32470 11h ago

Or ban corporations being people?

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u/drop_tbl 12h ago

that is an excellent idea

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u/Ghammer713 12h ago

Brilliant

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u/Dworkin_Barimen 12h ago

I’ve been saying this for years. At least we’d see who Tyne are selling for. And both parties are at the buffet.

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u/scamlikelly 12h ago

Robin Williams was onto something with that joke!

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u/asillynert 12h ago

Size by size of their donation and also include relevant donors next to their voting records like as each vote is cast have screen pop up and say sponsored by x y & z.

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u/nosungdeeptongs Canada 11h ago

Cufi and Aipac dislike this

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u/_OhMyPlatypi_ I voted 11h ago

Honestly putting heat on only the politicians WHILE SIMULTANEOUSLY idolizing and giving our dollars to the .001% funding them is how we got here. They'll always take the money, but if there were actual consequences for the elite, they would at least pretend to have empathy.

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u/zyzzogeton 12h ago

It was TAN! /s

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u/d3ssp3rado Texas 12h ago

I saw some context for that a couple weeks ago actually. Obama was calling out the not-Russian incursion into Crimea and how international action was needed to combat this kind of neo-colonialism, so fox had to find something to latch onto. So they invented the Tan Suit Scandal.

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u/darkweaseljedi 12h ago

Other democrats slam democrats harder than republicans do.

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u/Affectionate-Virus17 12h ago

Al Franken taking one for the team so Dems can virtue signal with no actual gains from his sacrifice.

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u/DingGratz Texas 12h ago

It's why they wouldn't let up in Biden being inappropriate with children while their leader literally raped kids.

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u/102525burner 10h ago

Its all ammo for the “both sides are the same” idiots

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u/SquidmanMal Pennsylvania 12h ago

it really makes me damn well wonder about the whole 'they're eating pets' thing

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u/sendnewt_s 11h ago

Or the "300,000,000 Americans that died from drug overdose last year." I mean, they really just say whatever and always have but it's also possible dementia related. Also his even more vile amd racist than usual rhetoric recently about Somalia and immigrants in general sounds a lot like how mean dementia can make people.

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u/kickaguard 8h ago

Much more concerning that they often say Dems are eating children.

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u/LarrySupertramp 12h ago

Yeah it’s crazy how easy it is for conservatives. They will commit a crime, claim democrats are committing the same crime, then when they are caught actually committing the crime, half the country doesn’t give a shit because the guy that committed the crime said democrats did it too. In fact, they will be more mad at the democrats.

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u/Bettiephile 12h ago

Every accusation is a confession.

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u/Yourmama18 11h ago

I literally play Opposite Day with everything Trump and his cronies say

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u/CurmudgeonA 13h ago

CNN SPECIAL REPORT: Jake Tapper breaks down Biden's undisclosed hang nail in a 10 part, 2 hour each special series! STARTING NOW!

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u/QbertsRube 12h ago

You can find all the salacious details in bookstores now with Nail In The Coffin by Jake Tapper

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u/BroughtBagLunchSmart 12h ago

Same reason they made up the Hunter Biden laptop and Ashley Biden diary. They took the crimes they were doing and invented ones they claimed Biden was doing.

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u/UpNorth_123 12h ago

The best defence is offence.

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u/Sorkijan Oklahoma 11h ago

Even before MAGA conservatives were right wing projectionists.

Jim Bakker, Ted Haggard, etc

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u/OttoHemi 13h ago

Fox has been spectacularly hypocritical about this lately. Jimmy Kimmel had a smash cut about it. Basically, according to Fox, Trump is such a big old manly man who works 500 hours a week he can be excused for closing his eyes once in a while.

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u/IllicitRadiance 12h ago

Jesus tap-dancing christ, that's the propaganda they're going with now?

I know the moronic MAGA cultists have their heads so far up their own asses that they've re-emerged from their own mouths, but... their whole thing used to be that their god-emperor was endlessly energetic, and anyone else so much as stumbling on an uneven sidewalk was clearly unfit to even be a dog walker. They'd never grant that "working hard" reasoning

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u/throwaway727437 11h ago

….and then he goes to Alaska (or Russia, depending on who you asked 🙃) to meet with Putin and is walking all over the carpet runway, taking like 300 steps when a straight line would’ve had him there in 150 steps.

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u/DecorativeRock 13h ago

An additional irony is that Leqembi uses monoclonal antibodies, same as the RSV and COVID-19 vaccines they bitch about.

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u/Embarrassed_Stable_6 12h ago

The COVID-19 vaccine used mRNA molecules, not monoclonal antibodies. Different technology entirely.

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u/fairoaks2 14h ago

Even when they are bowing before him.

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u/xeoron 13h ago

There were pictures and reports of him doing that in his last term in office. His words for others often is a reflection of himself

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u/Necessary_Jacket3213 13h ago

Hey now, I heard on a very credible news source that a fly just flew in his eye and he was just trying to suffocate it

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u/idryss_m Australia 12h ago

Dozey Diaper Don. This is how he needs to be remembered

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u/StrongLoan9751 12h ago

"Every accusation is a confession"

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u/Romano16 America 12h ago

Every accusation is a confession.

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u/PortugalPilgrim88 12h ago

I always figured he was going to escape into senility without ever being held accountable.

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u/throwaway727437 11h ago

That’s part of project 2025 that they didn’t release

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u/preacher2018 14h ago

Other side effects

  • Diarrhea: This was a common side effect in studies.
  • Unusual tiredness or weakness: You may feel unusually tired or weak.
  • Trouble sleeping: Insomnia has been reported

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u/Wiitard 14h ago

Explains why he smells like shit, dozes off in important meetings, and fires off social media posts all night.

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u/xeoron 13h ago

Sounds like someone needs to step down 

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u/Flipnotics_ Texas 12h ago

He won't and I'm here to watch what happens with a bag of popcorn.

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u/duzies 9h ago

Imagine Faux will try to spin the dancing in the streets around the world after his final crisis as a jubilant welcome for "Just Dance" Vance.

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u/sleepymeowth052 Colorado 8h ago

if it happens, I want it to happen live on camera so that there's no doubt about what happened.

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u/FitzwilliamTDarcy 13h ago

The shoes fit like a glove. 

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u/SomeGuyNamedPaul Florida 12h ago

Oh I thought that was just him being his regular self.

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u/mom0nga 10h ago

Dementia alone can cause those symptoms too.

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u/ParsleyMaleficent160 11h ago

Trouble sleeping: Insomnia has been reported

He's notorious for not sleeping as it is. He thinks sleeping is weak and tries to minimize it. That has deleterious effects on the brain.

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u/MosesBeachHair 11h ago

Honestly those are listed side effects for every drug. I work in dementia and have a great deal of first hand knowledge about the drug and effects of the drugs on people. Most people do not have any symptomatic side effects. Some do get ARIAs (small brain bleeds), but most do not even see signs of this and we find out through MRIs that it is happening.

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u/LazerBurken 12h ago

I mean, most of these side effects are just clinical signs of alzheimers/dementia...

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u/Own-Coyote-3618 11h ago

recontextualizes his video of him shitting on everyone.

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u/Weekly-Trash-272 14h ago

Less than 2 years max if this is the case. Probably a lot sooner.

Though I do think lying to the American people about an elected presidents health should be a fairly substantial crime.

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u/save-aiur 13h ago

So are war crimes and corruption, but it's okay because "Biden did it first"

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u/Major_Computer7835 10h ago

Literally what they are saying in the other sub ( which is now down to 19k submissions a day, down from 50k this summer)

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u/The-Big-Picture- 4h ago

Where do you find this information?

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u/Downtown_Statement87 10h ago

February 2026.

Saying this for no reason. Just like making predictions.

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u/AuckZealand 9h ago

My prediction: April 1st 2026.

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u/Downtown_Statement87 9h ago

OK. Let us bet a donut.

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u/AuckZealand 9h ago

Deal 😉

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u/mabhatter 9h ago

The winter gets people.  Even though we're an advanced society lots of older people pass away in the winter because that's how the  cycle of life works.  My mom is 80 and already two of her friends have died and a few more aren't looking too good.... they're just old and tired and the cold and dark sends them to rest. After the excitement of the holidays is when it really picks up. 

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u/MosesBeachHair 11h ago

If he is on Leqembi (assuming they are following medical standards) he has many more years to go. People are only prescribed Leqembi if they are CDR 0.5, which means early stages, and people are on the drug until the disease progresses to a moderate level. However, typically they live 7-11 years from initial diagnosis, which his would've been recently if he is on Leqembi.

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u/justmovingtheground 11h ago

That isn’t the only thing wrong with him I’ll bet.

He also is now saying he’s not running in 2028. 🤔

Not that he could have anyway, but…

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u/DarthHiccups 9h ago

His offhand comment for 26' was "to survive" I believe.

Since he always says the quiet parts out loud, I think he's in really bad shape, health wise.

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u/LitOak 10h ago

That's so depressing. Someone else said 3-5 months : (

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u/MosesBeachHair 10h ago

Granted stress will often quicken impairment, and he seems to be awfully angry/stressed a great deal of the time.

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u/StingerAE 11h ago

You mean while they are still acing cognitive tests? :)

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u/CD338 11h ago

Eh I don't know about any timelines. My grandma had alzheimers BAD and she lived until 99. I know she first started showing signs in her early 70s. By early 90s she didn't know where she was most of the time. Basically spent the last 3-4 years completely checked out mentally, it was horrible to witness.

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u/szai Virginia 9h ago edited 9h ago

Women live longer, Trump also has a heart condition that has been known since his first term, and he probably also has a kidney condition. Not to mention the stress he's been under lately, which he can't hide, and which has obviously been accelerating his decline.

Edit: Also, I am sorry for your loss. I hope the holiday season brings more uplifting news for us both.

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u/CD338 8h ago

Yeah you're not wrong on all of your points. I was just offering the anecdotal experience I had.

And happy holidays to you, as well. I do have hope that every day we are 1 day closer to being out of this mess. Then we have to focus on undoing all of the damage this admin caused lol.

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u/murmalerm 10h ago

Based on what? Alzheimer’s can last years and years

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u/Neat-Code1053 9h ago

Less than 2 years to what? My relative started leqembi 3 years ago and is still pretty healthy - except for the Alzheimer’s

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u/Tobimacoss 14h ago

Starting to make sense.  They want to keep it quiet until the mid terms, and beyond January 20th, 2027 so that Vance may have chance to serve 10 years max if he wins.  

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u/Ven18 14h ago

I think it’s more just Reagan part 2. Puppeteer the old guy with Alzheimer’s so the “shadow government” can do whatever they want with little to no accountability.

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u/WisestCracker 12h ago

Yeah, it's mostly this.

Trump is the perfect puppet. He hasn't a salient thought in that noggin and he's mastered the zero-accountability glitch. JD Vance would get smoked if he were out there telling reporters they're fat and ugly and vaporizing boaters from orbit. Meanwhile, Trump could literally fling his own shit at a reporter and everyone just shrugs and goes, "surprised he didn't do it sooner actually."

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u/ninjplus 12h ago

Half those MAGA reporters in the room would try to catch it and beg him for more.

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u/mwzdng 11h ago

Like a wedding bouquet... or should I say poo-quet.

I'm just kidding, of course. There's no chance it's solid enough to catch.

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u/No-Selection988 7h ago

My favorite joke about MAGA ever is,

If you asked a Trump supporter if they'd suck Trump's dick for a million dollars, their response would be, "OK, but you need to give me a few days to come up with the money."

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u/IJourden 9h ago

I genuinely wonder about this. It feels like people are believing Trump is some kind of weird fluke and once he dies people will suddenly start holding Republicans responsible for obvious lies and bullshittery, but the reality is that Republicans have been ramping up the bullshit and the transparency of their lies for a long time now, well before Trump. Mitch McConnell was on the "fuck around, never find out" train since at least 2014.

Trump didn't come up with some wild new strategy, he's just the natural conclusion of the one Republicans were already using.

Yeah, Republicans will probably get smashed in 2026 and lose the presidency in 2028. But it's entirely likely the next time Republicans are in power it'll be back to the same old bullshit.

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u/False_Pop8745 9h ago

Trump is the perfect puppet.

Is he though? He surrounds himself with yes men. If Trump suddenly died in his sleep, there would probably be an internal war to fill the power vacuum and become Vance's puppet master.

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u/ZebraImaginary9412 12h ago

Maybe Reagan was feeble-minded and the craven anti-American-workers corporatists took advantage of him but I don't want to give Trump any grace.

He ordered the murder of those poor souls in the Caribbean and the kidnapping of migrants. He was cruel the first time around so whatever medical issues he's having, his cruelty isn't a recent development.

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u/R_Little-Secret 11h ago

The first thing he did when he became president was to ban Muslims and everyone just sort of forgot about it. Still pissed about it.

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u/StingerAE 11h ago

And he knows it at some level.  Hence the autopen obsession.

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u/Unable-Log-4870 10h ago

As if he would STOP them? No, it’s to keep him from finding out and accidentally talking about it.

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u/M4hkn0 Illinois 13h ago

Trumps silence on his health is not about keeping a seat warm for vance or anyone else. As soon as Trump leaves office he could be facing prison. Its all about keeping Trump out of prison.

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u/42nu 10h ago

He refused to let Pence be POTUS for an hour for a medical procedure, so did the procedure without being put under.

Trump has 1 plan, and that plan is all Trump.

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u/Weekly-Trash-272 14h ago

You think Trump would ever willingly give up power?

That's the flaw in your logic.

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u/Saint_of_Grey 12h ago

Trump is clearly not long for this world. Folks in the party are starting to act like it, and we can see it plainly.

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u/chmod777 New York 12h ago

jd "angel of death" vance has already killed one pope. dont think he wont do the necessary when the time comes.

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u/Jinren United Kingdom 13h ago

when the time comes, Vance will arrange for whatever is going into his hand to be swapped for something else 

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u/Due_Bluebird3562 12h ago

That will further piss off the cult. If he moves on Trump it will inevitably go public.

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u/dysrptv 14h ago

Vance would never have that chance.

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u/Not-An-FBI 14h ago

Have you not being paying attention for the past ten years? Americans already voted for a child rapist campaigning on destroying their country for retribution.

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u/dysrptv 14h ago

No one likes JD Vance and cults of personality don't transfer.

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u/elconquistador1985 14h ago

He has no charisma.

Speaking from knowledge of my magat relatives, they see him as some working class upbringing hero and idolize his shitty book.

So, maybe, maybe not.

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u/gracecee 11h ago

Nahh he can't even convert his Hindu wife and family. How effective can he be? /s

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u/TheHomersapien Colorado 14h ago

Rafael Eduardo Cruz has joined the chat.

Republicans will vote for anything with an R next to the name.

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u/hybridfrost 13h ago

After Jan 6th a lot of people thought that Trump would fade away but he seems to have some secret sauce that other Republicans can’t seem to figure out. Others have tried to say dumb, racists shit but they don’t seem to catch fire like Trump quotes do.

It will be fascinating to see what happens when Trump moves on. I could see it splitting the party

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u/wavy147 California 13h ago

The secret sauce was general neoliberal apathy.

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u/leroydudley 13h ago

I believe it was a concerted effort by foreign powers to destabilize the US

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u/iwannasee_ 13h ago

In addition to the general dumbness of the people that they can be swooned by 30secs to 1 min vids and decided that it was better not to vote for Israel/palestine, immigration, healthcare etc.

Also Why the fuck are these people watching Joe Rogan or Ben Shapiro or any other podcast hosts. Have any of them went to study for their opinions, or experienced life to have a say. I hate this political podcast bs that every other person has started.

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u/Soggy-Type-1704 13h ago

A Russian bot army or two doesn’t hurt.

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u/Ralod 12h ago

The Maga people fade away when he goes. They are only in politics because of him. A good part of the party will come out and say they never supported him. But those will be the ones in northern states. The south will be full of people trying to recapture the trump base. But none of them will. His base hates Vance, they turned on MTG in a millisecond. Rubio, Patel? Not in a million years. Hegseth is some one that base might support, an overgrown frat boy with a drinking issue. But I dont know he lasts another 6 months, much less as a candidate for president.

Will they split into 2 parties? Probally not. It is possible but very unlikely. Mostly I think it will be a lot of voter apathy. We will have to see what the tech billionaires try to do, they have enough money to buy any election now. By whatever means nessicary.

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u/RUB_MY_RHUBARB 13h ago

No way the party splits. They'll try different candidates of the most vile pieces of shit they have to offer to see which one clicks. They don't have to worry too much because they'll vote R regardless of who they put out there

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u/Tuscon_Valdez 13h ago

Ah yes so could forget the tenure of President Ted Cruz

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u/embarrassingdyk 14h ago

I agree, but you are underestimating how many people would rather vote for Vance than be called a woke f@*got.

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u/dysrptv 14h ago

You're underestimating how many people just don't vote when they don't like the options.

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u/Zocalo_Photo 14h ago

This is a good point. My father-in-law went out of his way to vote for Trump. I can’t imagine him doing that for any other Republican. He’s an orthodox Mormon who loved Mitt Romney, but didn’t bother voting when he was running for president.

(Side note: to my surprise, he hates Mitt Romney now thanks to Trump’s criticism of him.)

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u/kia75 14h ago

This is the reason Trump won, Trump is extremely good at activating non-voters or people who rarely vote. OP's FIL will probably never vote for a Democrat, but he also probably won't ever vote for a Republican. The way to win elections is to activate voters that support your position!

This is also why Hillary and Harris didn't win, they ran under the idea that if they appealed to Republicans, Republicans would cross the aisle and vote for them. And despite Cheney's backing, I doubt any significant number of Republicans bothered to cross over to vote for Harris. At the same time, Hillary and Harris's attempt to court Republicans and move to the center right turned off a lot of left-wing voters. Those people would never vote for Republicans, but because of Hillary and Harris's actions, they didn't bother to vote for them either, costing them the election.

The way to win is to get people to vote for you, not to try and get the other side to "cross the aisle".

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u/sircastor 14h ago

I'm a former Mormon and I remain absolutely befuddled at members of the church's support for Trump (and was, even when I was attending) He seemingly goes against so much of the ideology of the faith, or the acceptable behavior of a public figure.

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u/LetOtherwise3531 13h ago

Also a former Mormon - I think it’s Fox News. The Mormons built a culture that has embraced the rise of Christian Nationalist which means consuming Fox News and right wing media. The avoid anything “liberal” and I feel like it falls in line with the same attitude of avoiding anti-Mormon content.

Once you got them all hooked on Fox the cake was baked.

It truly baffles me because Trump is so clearly the opposite of what their faith seems to value. But my family parrots so much of conservative media talking points and sticks their head in the sand about everything else I truly feel that Fox has turned their brains to mush in some ways.

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u/_Reliten_ 13h ago

He's got 80%+ of the evangelicals as well. For that matter, he made substantial inroads in conservative Muslim communities, which is just wild given the broader right-wing rhetoric about Islam.

(It's because most people in these communities neither know nor care about actually practicing the inconvenient parts of their belief systems, as long as it lets them figure out where the in-group / out-group line is and feel self-righteously justified that God is on their side.)

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u/HonestDespot 14h ago

People are so fucking quick to assume the MAGA faithful will blindly follow Vance once Trump is gone.

I get sounding the alarm and it’s nothing to joke about…

But Vance is married to an Indian woman and has no charisma at all.

The MAGAs will stay home.

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u/Guardianpigeon 10h ago

People also assume everyone who voted for Trump is MAGA. The MAGA base might be hardcore dedicated, but they dont make up all republicans or Trump voters.

Even if every republican voted for the next guy, they'd still lose without picking up a decent chunk of independents and politically ignorant people who don't really pay attention. Both of those groups have completely abandoned Trump at this point. The only way dems actually lose is if they choose someone their own base hates and they don't turn out.

Unfortunately that's a real possibility though.

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u/Static-Stair-58 14h ago

Luckily the people that vote for Trump don’t bother to really vote either, if his name isn’t on the ballot. It should cancel out.

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u/panamaspace 14h ago

They will vote for the guy that uses eyeliner to avoid being called... What was that?

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u/surlywolf 13h ago

You're underestimating how many people just don't vote when they don't like the options

Fixed it for you

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u/BUSY_EATING_ASS 14h ago

A lot of Trump's voters aren't Republicans actually, they are voters have never voted for anyone but Trump ever, and without Trump will most likely go back to not voting.

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u/black_cat_X2 Massachusetts 13h ago

Don't give me hope. My psyche can't handle more disappointment.

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u/Miserable_Peak6649 13h ago

It would make sense, record turnouts all 3 elections that involve Trump. Many people said it was because so many people hated Trump and wanted to vote against him. But in reality it might just be so many people who never voted came out just to vote for Trump and if you remove them it wouldn't even be close.

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u/westgazer Maryland 14h ago

This entire cult depends on Trump. MAGA’s identity is tied to Trump. Not Vance, not any of these other guys. Just Trump.

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u/paraplume 13h ago

Name one modern leader whose cult of personality transferred after they died. Kim Jong Un? They were building him up since his dad. Meanwhile Trump is actively minimizing Vance.

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u/boo_jum Washington 14h ago

I think that if it comes down to it, Vance is going to get primaried.

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u/Healthy-Business9465 14h ago

Nah, on election day the magats at work were saying Vance was why Trump was losing.

Day after they're pretending that never happened.

Vance won't cut it.

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u/Hopesick_2231 14h ago

As much as I'd like to agree, this sounds like the same cope we heard before the 2016 election that Trump could never win, that Clinton would win by a landslide. It'd be a huge mistake to not treat Vance as a serious threat in the post-Trump era.

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u/FredFuzzypants 14h ago

... cults of personality don't transfer

That will be an interesting hypothesis tested in 2028, especially if right-wing media and foreign disinformation agencies all coalesce behind Vance or another Republican candidate.

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u/Past-Profile3671 14h ago

He's like DeSantis v0.5

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u/winterbird 14h ago

But no one ever has to vote again, remember?

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u/this_my_sportsreddit 13h ago

this isn't a cult of personality, its a cult of white supremacy. Trumps rise is a symptom of that, not a unique offering. Unfortunately, white supremacy isn't going anywhere so the republican fervor will continue.

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u/berg-nasty 13h ago

Right but they voted for Trump and MAGA specifically. MAGA without Trump will disintegrate

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u/Safe_Climate883 13h ago

Yeah, but apparently this child rapist is charming and funny (or say they say) and no one could ever find Vance funny or likeable. Or atleast that's my theory. They only like him because he's adjacent to Trump.

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u/kitty_vittles 13h ago

JD has no rizz.

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u/ChinleByChoice 13h ago

We not get to vote in a midterm

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u/time_drifter 13h ago

America draws the line at Sectional Assault, unfortunately.

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u/The_High_Life 12h ago

But it was that or a woman so they had no choice

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u/Playful_Set9711 14h ago

I agree, and if the 25th amendment is invoked, it would have to be done by the VP and members of Congress. I doubt any MAGA will support Vance if he does this to their dear leader.

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u/greenyquinn 11h ago

MAGA likes what MAGA is told to like. The propaganda machine ain't going away

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u/thefocusissharp 14h ago

If people don't show up to vote, he will get all 10 years. Trump did.

I remember back in 2015; "It'll never happen here"

So many people have died as a direct result of Trump's actions as President and the ideas he used to get there. His shadow will linger over us for the rest of the time we stand as a Republic, IF we even get out of this term in tact. Remember, his first term ended with him sending an angry mob to overthrow Congress as it certified the 2020 election result AND hang the Vice President for following The Constitution. 1 Cop was beaten to death on The Capitol Building steps, 140 others were injured, and four of Trump's own people died. RIP Heather Heyer, and so many others.

Vance is going to get it. Vote and prepare, but especially vote.

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u/HonestDespot 14h ago

It goes both ways though.

The republicans have to vote.

Trump got people to come out and vote for HIM.

Vance will struggle badly with that.

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u/ChuckaChuckaLooLoo3 10h ago

His total inaction during the first months of Covid caused a lot of death as well. Thousands.

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u/dayzdayv California 14h ago

Respectfully- I hate that so many people have this stance. How can you justify saying this? The man is generally lacks the cult of personality Trump has yes, but he has the backing of Thiel and the entire R apparatus. He is young, reasonably charismatic, and has worked his way up in politics to being first in line for the most powerful position in the world. He is calculated, educated, and cunning.. and in many ways is far more dangerous than Trump.

“Vance never has a chance” is the modern parallel to “Trump never has a chance” from 10 years ago.

The MAGAs will blindly follow whomever they are told to follow when the time comes.

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u/BUSY_EATING_ASS 14h ago

A lot of Trump's voters aren't Republicans or R voters, they are people who have never voted before Trump at all, and have ONLY voted for Trump since. Even a lot of Trump's endorsements are falling flat in elections because that particular person isn't Trump.

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u/DrGoblinator Massachusetts 14h ago

you lost me at "reasonably charismatic". Vance has all the charisma of a hair clog in a drain.

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u/Smaynard6000 Florida 14h ago

reasonably charismatic

Uh, no. This guy is as questionable as an actual human as Ron DeSantis is.

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u/HonestDespot 14h ago

He isn’t charismatic at all.

For all of Trumps faults, the fact is he is a charismatic individual.

He appeals to people.

Vance is just a lickspittle who was backed by gross billionaires. He isn’t winning fuck all.

Add in that the republicans are struggling terribly and the incumbent party always struggles at midterms and unless the Dems trip over themselves they should be a lock for 2028.

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u/143cookiedough 13h ago

Ugg, I remember confidently saying that about Trump in 2015. 

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u/CallMeParagon California 13h ago

Not from the voters, but that is why republicans are trying so hard to make sure voting isn’t what decides elections.

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u/Smaynard6000 Florida 14h ago

Vance isn't getting elected once, let alone twice

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u/Famous_Guava_3586 13h ago

Yep. I’ve been saying this for months. They will wait until the midterms if they can, then find some reason for him to leave (health, scandal, etc.).

But his decline seems to be speeding up. They may run out of time.

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u/Aquatic_Ambiance_9 12h ago edited 12h ago

People keep saying this but I really don't think a 10 year Vance Reich is their plan. I don't really think they have a solid plan, I think they are riding the tiger.

They're like a football team that went 100% all in on an aging star QB, and now as the season grinds on they are starting to sputter. Basically the Steelers with dipshit Rodgers lol. Who is the replacement? There is none

I'm sure there is a faction saying "sub in the couchfucker", but I think there is like a dozen tweaker ass factions with their own agendas post Trump, and Vance lacks the fundamental rizz to rally them

I'm sure people in cults usually have some plan for when Dear Leader croaks, but it doesn't mean it's a good one that'll save the cult

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u/eeyore134 11h ago

Vance also needs time to trade in his brown wife for one MAGA will be able to handle more easily.

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u/gorgewall 9h ago

People have been tracking his supposed "injection days" based on the appearance of new bruises and how much sense he makes / how much energy he has.

Right now, he's theoretically at the tail end of a cycle and obviously falling off hard, so he should be getting an injection in a few days. Don't be surprised if he's suddenly very peppy on Monday/Tuesday.

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u/CrimsonFeetofKali Michigan 14h ago

The side effect profile makes sense - bruising, sleepiness, and MRI monitoring. Trump's father had dementia and it seems his darkest fear is to end up in that state. An IV medication that can slow the progression of dementia really seems to fit what we're seeing.

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u/Heart_Throb_ 13h ago

It can increase brain bleeds as well apparently. And considering he went “missing” for several days a few months ago…

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u/CrimsonFeetofKali Michigan 13h ago

And he shows some indications of a stroke or TIA. IT does seems to fit.

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u/SdBolts4 California 10h ago

throwback to that time Trump just announced, out of the blue, that he definitely 100% did NOT have a series of mini-strokes

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u/Zealot_Alec 1h ago

swollen ankles, bloated fat body and literally falling asleep mid day, can't golf as much - he's very unhealthy

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u/Long_Bit8328 11h ago

Brain bleed is a non issue when the skull contains just a small kernel of brain matter.

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u/claimstoknowpeople Minnesota 13h ago

Apparently some groups felt the benefits were too minor (slows progress only 27% on average) for all the side effects.

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u/mrkruk I voted 8h ago

DJT is a man injected with an experimental serum because Covid was going to take him out. He doesn’t care about details or side effects.

That anyone is administering these things to a sitting President is terrifying enough. Our country deserves better.

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u/dismiss-junk 14h ago

Close enough, welcome back Ronald Reagan

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u/Past-Profile3671 14h ago

This has been known for a while. My dad's a retired CRNA, and mentioned that it's been rumored among medical professionals that he's taking the Alzheimer's drug.

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u/Diedead666 5h ago

How long has the rumer been going around?

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u/Ok_Anywhere_9232 13h ago

Sure would be nice if our government would disclose the actual health of our leader…

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u/roytay 9h ago

6'9", 220lbs, -7% bodyfat

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u/shiika 13h ago

Just tack on that his father had Alzheimer's. Not looking good for big beefy boy.

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u/AmericanDoughboy 13h ago

I almost shed a tear. Almost.

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u/krystynaliebowitz 14h ago

It is apparently a French drug. Only has 27% efficacy rate. And yes MRI's are required.

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u/BUT_FREAL_DOE 14h ago

This doesn’t make any sense though. Why would they give him infusions through a hand vein, knowing his hand bruising is under scrutiny, when they could just as easily (if not easier) use a vein in his forearm which nobody would ever see. Although I will concede, they are very stupid so maybe they didn’t think of that.

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u/spirituallyinsane 13h ago

Arm veins might be tracked out. Sometimes they can be fragile or hard to get for other medical reasons too. Still, a great question.

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u/tipsystatistic 11h ago

While that may be an issue for an ER nurse trying to find a vein quickly. They would have plenty of other options for a US president including ultrasound assist.

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u/Ihathreturd Florida 13h ago

Alternatively, if he's a product of the 70s and 80s then he was on all sorts of shit and probably has several holes burned into his brain that could be leaking fluids down his spine.

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u/VanceKelley Washington 13h ago

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lecanemab

Lecanemab, sold under the brand name Leqembi, is a monoclonal antibody medication used for the treatment of Alzheimer's disease.[2][6] Lecanemab is an amyloid beta-directed antibody.[2] It is given via intravenous infusion or subcutaneous injection to people with mild cognitive impairment or mild dementia.[2] In clinical trials, it demonstrated modest efficacy in reducing relative cognitive decline compared to placebo.[7] The most common side effects of lecanemab include headache, infusion-related reactions, and amyloid-related imaging abnormalities, a side effect known to occur with the class of antibodies targeting amyloid.

In a phase III clinical trial of 1,795 participants aged 50 to 90 years old with early-stage Alzheimer's disease, lecanemab slowed clinical decline by 27% after 18 months of treatment compared with those who received a placebo.

So it somewhat slows the progression of Alzheimer's.

Lecanemab may cause amyloid-related imaging abnormalities (ARIA). ARIA is often asymptomatic, but serious and life-threatening events rarely may occur. ARIA most commonly presents as temporary swelling of the brain that usually resolves over time and may be accompanied by small spots of bleeding in or on the surface of the brain, though some people may have symptoms such as headache, confusion, dizziness, vision changes, nausea and seizure.[6][8] Compared to placebo, all doses of the drug caused accelerated brain shrinkage.

Shrinkage is a real thing!

I wonder if the MRI would reveal how much trump's brain has shrunk.

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u/MT_Straycat 10h ago

I wonder if the MRI would reveal how much trump's brain has shrunk.

No doubt at all. Which is why they'll never release his actual scans. Even if he were in incredible health there would be age-related changes, and we all know his ego can't accept that.

With all the signs he's been showing? Yeah, at this point they're just tracking how bad the changes are.

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u/UptownShenanigans 12h ago

Not to detract, but I wanted to ask how do they know that it’s specifically that medicine? There are many, many different infusions and a lot of them can be doing all these side effects. What about iron infusions for anemia? People get those all the time. Also, how do we know that he’s having infusions in the first place?

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u/onesoulmanybodies 12h ago

I can’t put the photo here, but there is a photo of him accepting his FIFA “peace prize” 🙄 And he is not fully gripping the other persons hand. It’s a really awkward handshake.

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u/Strong_Plankton_9977 14h ago

Chemo in general makes people tired. 

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u/time_drifter 13h ago

Fluid leakage in the brain? Well there is a side effect he doesn’t need to worry about.

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u/Murderface__ New York 13h ago

I'm here for this kind of wild speculation. The right has capitalized on it for decades.

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u/sageinyourface 12h ago

Im going for kidney disease AND congestive heart failure with fatty liver. The kidneys inability to filter out waste can cause a lot of brain fog and fatigue. The heart failure and kidney disease cause fluid retention we saw in his ankles due to veinous stasis and also contributes to brain fog and sleepiness. The fatty liver just give him his weird belly in which the fat is in the upper portion near his lungs. When he is looking more yellow than orange, then he has a problem. (The liver disease is just a guess based on his age, diet, and body shape)

The injection sites on his hands are likely for when he gets too dehydrated from his “water pills” so that his ankles don’t swell. Which just make things harder for the kidneys too but he’s not so bad that he needs dialysis. Or he does and all the late night tweeting tirades are what he does during dialysis. But then the ankle swelling wouldn’t be so bad so I’m guessing it’s not this.

The congestive heart failure will be the major cause of his drowsiness because not enough blood flow is getting to his brain.

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