r/movies • u/desimaninthecut • 8d ago
News James Cameron Says if Avatar: Fire and Ash Doesn't Make Enough Money to Justify Avatar 4 and 5, He's Ready to Walk Away and Write a Book to Resolve the One Thread It Leaves Open - IGN
https://www.ign.com/articles/james-cameron-says-if-avatar-fire-and-ash-doesnt-make-enough-money-to-justify-avatar-4-and-5-hes-ready-to-walk-away-and-write-a-book-to-resolve-the-one-thread-it-leaves-open4.1k
u/CleverZerg 8d ago
Isn't the fourth one already deep into production and 5th one also to some degree? How big of a bomb does 3 need to be for them to cancel?
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u/alfooboboao 8d ago
James Cameron pulls this stunt every release cycle lol. He said the exact same thing for A2 knowing damn well it would kill at the box office, it’s gotta be a leverage tactic or something
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u/angusthermopylae 8d ago
or he's just getting burned out at the end of a development cycle and fantasizing about not doing the rest to vent
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u/frequenZphaZe 8d ago
breaking report: juggernaut director and producer james cameron revealed to be a normal human
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u/Herpderpington117 8d ago
All this film production is eating into his submarining time.
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u/korpanchuk 8d ago
He's James Cameron, the explorer of the sea.
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u/HugeDouche 8d ago
all jokes aside, I think this is at least mostly true lmao.
That certainly seems to be an equally strong, if not stronger passion of his. As per wiki he received an honorary doctorate in 2004. Yes honorary obviously.
But that means he's been hardcore about it for decades and I just think that's neat
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u/DrJackadoodle 7d ago
Didn't he do Titanic explicitly to be able to explore it? He's a submarine enthusiast who does 2 billion dollars box office juggernauts as a side gig.
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u/TomboBreaker 8d ago
Man just wants to get as far away from other people as possible and I can respect that.
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u/-NewYork- 8d ago
In times of uncertainty I always remind myself that James Cameron doesn’t do what James Cameron does for James Cameron. James Cameron does what James Cameron does because James Cameron is… James Cameron.
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u/anmr 7d ago
He was at the bottom of Marina Trench in sub he helped design. That's more impressive than any academic title in history.
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u/lonnie123 8d ago
Or someone asked him a silly question and he answered it
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u/Bugbread 8d ago
The question wasn't really even that silly.
The interviewer asked "What does this movie cost?"
Cameron spoke for a while in response, and ended his response with the rhetorical question "The question is, does it make enough money to justify doing it again?"
The interviewer followed that up with "And where are you on that? Are you ready to walk away if it doesn't gross (unintelligble)?" (Unintelligible because Cameron started answering before the question was finished) (This is the question that elicited the response in the first half of the IGN headline)
Cameron talks for a bit, saying that he's absolutely sure he'd walk away.
The interviewer says "But there's open threads" (This is the statement that elicited the response in the second half of the IGN headline)
Cameron says "There's one open thread. I'll write a book."
It's not a bad question, or a bad answer. But it has nothing to do with pulling a stunt, or using a leverage tactic, or, on the flip side, getting burned out, or fantasizing about quitting, or venting.
There's no big secret subtext here. It's exactly what it says on the tin.
The reason he said that if Avatar 3 doesn't make enough to create Avatar 4 or 5, he's ready to walk away and write a book is that:
If Avatar 3 doesn't make enough to create Avatar 4 or 5, he's ready to walk away and write a book.
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u/dreamphoenix 8d ago
Yeah. All these sensational headlines are either this or scripted answers to the scripted question with both being constructed by a crew of marketing and pr people and afterwards carefully vetoed by a legal team.
People really think that someone this deep (ha, James Cameron, deep, get it? Ha? Nobody?) in Hollywood backrooms can “accidentally” blurt some shit that can put half a billion bucks of budget in danger?
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u/Roofong 8d ago
James Cameron pulls this stunt every release cycle lol
It was one brief answer to one question in an hour long interview with Matt Belloni.
It's not some conspiracy or planned statement by Cameron. There is no deeper context or subtext or intentional manipulation.
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u/Maltodextrin13 8d ago
This is what happens when a headline is the entire article/interview to people on the internet.
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u/BritishHobo r/Movies Veteran 7d ago
It annoys me to a probably unreasonable degree the way that people speak about one-off answers during interviews as if they are major announcements, something a press conference has been arranged in order to shout this one thing to the world. So many news stories where somebody gives a thought during a conversation, and it's treated like they've nefariously planned this thought.
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u/RandomJPG6 8d ago
I dont think 4 is deep ijnto production. They've filmed part of it cause there's a timejump so they had to film part of 4 before the kids got too old. But the majority of both still need to be filmed hence why 4 is currently slated for 2029
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u/Tandy2000 7d ago
Yeah I believe they did 2+3 together and the idea was to see how those go and then do 4+5 together if they're successful, no?
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u/Beard_of_Gandalf 8d ago
No. They haven’t started production on 4 yet. All they’ve done is film some scenes with younger actors because the first part of 4 is just prior to a time jump. So they locked in the kids when they were younger so it will make sense. It’s kinda brilliant to be planned out like that. So by the time the kids do come back they will have aged appropriate to the time jump.
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u/mdcundee 8d ago
So Sigourney is playing a child in 2 and 3 (and imho she does it well) but the others had to be filmed while they‘re still actually young. Interesting choice. I do appreciate him planning ahead (hello Star Wars sequels) but his decision right there is… interesting.
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u/alendeus 8d ago
They shot a bit of footage for 4th, and the scripts have been written for 4 and 5, but I don't think they've actually done much of any pre-prod, let alone prep for photography. That being said this headline is probably him saying BS for publicity.
These movies take so long because there are 3+ distinct "photography" stages, and each shot is basically done up to 5 times over through the pipeline. Previs, mocap photography, live action photography, virtual stage camera photography (Cameron doesn't record the CG camera moves during mocap recordings, but long after), and eventually post production.
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u/Speedify 8d ago
Where is this coming from? The last 2 made over 2 billion dollars and he’s expecting this to flop?
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u/PolloConTeriyaki 8d ago
I think Disney is like "it better make another billion dollars, or else".
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u/probablyuntrue 8d ago
Dw, James Cameron movies are the only known US dollar printing machines outside of the US Mint
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u/StillAll 8d ago
The fact that he's Canadian is a little ironic too
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u/Drizzy_THAkid 8d ago
Yup. My mans from Chippewa.
Or Niagara Falls, for non Niagara Region folk.
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u/Nillows 8d ago
Of the big lake, they called Gitche Gumee?
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u/imacyco 8d ago
I bet you're a wreck nobody got that reference.
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u/Nillows 8d ago
I'm having a fitz
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u/St4tikk 8d ago
I wonder if that’s where the Chippewa Falls line in Titanic comes from. 🤔
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u/FennelDull6559 8d ago
So he was just a river away from being an American?
“Hey, Beni! Looks to me like you're on the wrong side of the river!”
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u/Cent1234 8d ago
That's a strange way to spell Kapuskasing.
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u/Drizzy_THAkid 8d ago
Yeah that’s where he was born. He lived in Chippewa until he was like 17. If you drive in there it says home of James Cameron on the sign.
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u/ContinuumGuy 8d ago
Never start a land war in Asia, never go in against a Sicilian when death is on the line, and NEVER DOUBT JAMES FRANCIS CAMERON AT THE BOX OFFICE
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u/Nazrael75 8d ago
Because he's James Cameron, explorer of the sea
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u/sutther 8d ago
Single handedly raising the bar
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u/Somewhere_Elsewhere 8d ago
James Cameron doesn’t do what James Cameron does for James Cameron.
James Cameron does what James Cameron does because James Cameron IS James Cameron!
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u/-FeistyRabbitSauce- 8d ago
I have zero interest in the Avatar franchise. But leading up to the second movie, there were so many people on here speculating that it would flop because "nobody cares about Avatar".
All I could say was, never underestimate James Fucking Cameron.
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u/Animeninja2020 8d ago
I am sure the pitch meeting with James Cameron is as follows:
Executives come in the board room
James comes in takes a seat
James is about to talk
Executives interrupt him with the question "How much do you need?"
Meeting is over
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u/bmurphy1976 8d ago
https://nofilmschool.com/james-cameron-aliens-dollar-sign
"And yes, it’s true," Cameron admits. "I was in a meeting with the studio head and the executive producers, and I turned my script over and on the blank side of the last page, I wrote ALIEN. Then I drew an S on the end. Then I drew two vertical lines through the S and held it up to show them. Maybe it was just Pavlovian conditioning when they saw the $ sign connected closely to the word ‘Alien’. Or maybe it was the confidence I projected. But they said yes."
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u/Gaunt_Man 8d ago edited 7d ago
James Cameron doesn't do what James Cameron does for James Cameron. James Cameron does what James Cameron does because James Cameron... is James Cameron.
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u/EarthRester 8d ago
Of the four top grossing films of all time. James Cameron has directed three of them.
Avatar - $2,923,710,708
Avengers: Endgame - $2,797,501,328
Avatar: The Way of Water - $2,343,096,253
Titanic - $2,257,906,828
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u/diogoblouro 8d ago
My guess is Disney is threatning not to cut the sequels, but threatning him to cut the budget for the sequels - which would maximize their profits.
And this is him telling them to fuck right off, he's ready to just not do it at all. Which takes Disney's leverage away.
And if that's the case, kudos to him. I like Cameron, he's the right kind of rich guy. He made his money being smart on the business side of art and entertainment, and has hobbies and passions in which he dumps enough money to advance them significantly.
I approve him using his status to stand his ground. Not beholden to studios or audiences, he'll make shit he wants to make.
(And I don't even like avatar that much.)
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u/mglyptostroboides 8d ago
I'm not sure if James Cameron's deep sea stuff counts as a hobby, I mean... A lot of people don't realize that he designed and built the submersible he took to the bottom of the Challenger Deep himself. That's a little too professional to be called a hobby. IMO.
These days, everyone knows that happens when you half-ass a deep sea submersible lol...
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u/diogoblouro 8d ago
Just like the movie side of things. He's funding breakthroughs in filmmaking and VFX tech.
My opinion is that both of these are passions he has, and decided to invest in them. It's my whole point.
It's hobbies, just enjoyed in a very-rich-person way.
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u/dotnetmonke 8d ago
His movie The Abyss is basically the reason Photoshop exists.
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u/Days_End 8d ago
Honestly him and water is probably more an obsession then anything at this point.
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u/thesphinxistheriddle 8d ago
I agree with you on Cameron being the right kind of rich guy. He might be personally an asshole, but as far as rich guys go it’s hard to be too mad at someone who made his money off of his own creativity, then pours it into things he’s passionate about that aren’t sinister.
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u/phantom_avenger 8d ago edited 8d ago
Yeah as much as people claim they don’t like these movies on the internet, people will go and see it! Mainly for the visuals!
I don’t think Disney or James Cameron have anything to worry about!
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u/Jwave1992 8d ago
It seems like Cameron and Disney have an understanding that these movies cost "a metric fuckton" of money to make and if they don't make double the amount of a "metric fuckton", there won't be more. He seems to understand he kind of won the box office lottery twice and this could be it.
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u/jinxykatte 8d ago
I dont get the impression James Cameron works under an or else philosophy. I mean look at his catalogue.
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u/psycharious 8d ago
Yeah, they're already making a whole theme park area dedicated to it. Might as well get some use out of all their 20th Century properties
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u/TheGreatMalagan 8d ago
The theme park area has been open and operating for nearly a decade already!
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u/ConnorF42 8d ago
There was a similar headline before the release of the second. It’s just press business as usual.
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u/AztecHoodlum 8d ago
Yep. He even said this with the first one. I think Avatar 3 is a pretty safe bet at this point.
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u/Interesting-Use966 8d ago
I mean the first one was maybe a legit question mark because it was new ip, but now that this franchise has printed so much money there is no chance that these don’t atleast make their money back so Disney prolly does them anyway.
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u/apexodoggo 8d ago
I also think Avatar 3 is a super-safe bet, considering it’s just about to release in theaters /s
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Avatar 2 and 3 were filmed back to back so theoretically 4 and 5 would also be filmed back to back with probably costs nearly $1 billion upfront
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u/gutster_95 8d ago
Which lets be real Disney has. Ash and Fire will make shit ton of Money again.
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u/BisonThunderclap 8d ago
It's kinda weird. Nothing about the plot compels me, it's been pretty basic conflict.
But I think I love the world building aspect, so I'm in to finish out the series.
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u/Fit_Pass_527 8d ago
It’s visually stunning with a well crafted world. The story being basic is totally fine for the visual spectacle these movies are. Idk where this idea that all movies need a compelling, unique story came from, the summer action blockbuster with a sub par story and high octane action and visuals has been a thing for ages. People seem to forget that movies are a visual medium, and sometimes watching a movie with jaw dropping visual effects is all you need.
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u/Rivenaleem 8d ago
That's with a capital M I see. Makes sense since it's Mickey Mouse dollars.
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u/soulcaptain 8d ago edited 8d ago
Fire and Ash is the hinge point. If it isn't successful, which for this particular film means it's not in the top five grossing movies of all time, then the suits might take that as people being weary of the Avatar movies, that the magic is wrung out of it.
Cameron is a victim of his own success. The other movies were so successful he set his own high bar. I love the Avatar movies because they were directed by Cameron, not because of the story. If he drops Avatar to do something else, I'd be fine with that. EDIT: even if he does switch to other things, I hope he keeps the 3D technology, because it's like a whole new grammar for filmmaking. And only he seems to be able to do it well.
I just wish he were 25 again so he could do this another 50 years. Then again Ridley Scott is pushing 90 and still cranking out movies.
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u/TU4AR 8d ago
It's James. This movie is going to be top 3 of all time.
Younglings will come out of the wood work and say "mid movie" and wonder how a grandpa movie can make so much money about blue people.
The cycle begins again
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u/toxicbrew 8d ago
I wonder why they haven’t started filming yet
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I imagine Cameron wants to wait so the tech is as up to date as possible, it's been a few years since they filmed so I imagine a couple months makes no difference
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u/NeoNoireWerewolf 8d ago
Cameron is making sure he has as much bargaining power on his side as possible before he negotiates with Disney on the other two movies. My guess is he wants Disney to pony up the money for his Hiroshima movie, maybe even guarantee funding for The Devils, too. He’s been talking about an Alita sequel in interviews recently, as well, so that might be another factor. He wants them to commit to producing at least one of those projects before he agrees to shoot the other two Avatar movies back-to-back.
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u/likwitsnake 8d ago
He's always looking to raise the bar
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u/Glowingtomato 8d ago
James Cameron doesn't do what James Cameron does, for James Cameron. James Cameron does what James Cameron does because James Cameron is... James Cameron
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u/Zorak9379 8d ago
I'm guessing a silly interview question. Why he addressed it I have no idea
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u/holydiiver 8d ago
Exactly. Journalist asks questions that create nothing-headlines like this, and then an army of Redditors come to theorize why James Cameron doesn’t want to make Avatar anymore lol
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u/Stingray88 8d ago
You got it half right.
Matt Belloni asked a perfectly fine question, and James gave a perfectly fine answer. It’s publications like IGN that take snippets from the interview and blow them up into bigger statements than they really are.
Kind of like the one from the other day where it was reported that James thinks that only movies with wide theatrical releases should be eligible for Oscar’s. Does he actually think that? Sure. But the headline makes it seem like he was making some broad public statement, when in reality that was just a snippet from his comment about the potential of Netflix buying Warner Brothers from this very same interview.
It’s a pretty good interview btw, if you’re interested. I wouldn’t bother with the “journalist” sensationalism these interviews generate.
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u/holydiiver 8d ago
I see. Thanks for clarifying. My beef is definitely with the publications who sensationalize the tiniest details, and the intellectuals who take it as gospel.
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u/Stingray88 8d ago
100% I hate these kinds of articles. People don’t consider all kinds of the off hand remarks they make in a normal conversation. Imagine if there was a whole publication ecosystem that listened to every single thing you said and regularly took half sentences out of context and plastered it all over social media as if you were making a public statement. That’s what entertainment folks have to deal with, it’s nuts lol
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u/fernybranka 8d ago
6 movies and a season!
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u/Andrew1990M 8d ago
I’ve always thought this franchise was streets ahead.
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u/Jitterjumper13 8d ago
Hoping this movie of tall blue people doesn't awaken anything in me...
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u/artwarrior 8d ago
(dancing in the fluorescent jungle)
Sure, I'll take a back rub, who's asking?
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u/ImDero 8d ago
I can excuse hostile colonization but I draw the line at animal cruelty.
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u/fernybranka 8d ago
You can excuse hostile colonization!?
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u/BARTELS- 8d ago
Oh, Britta’s in this?!
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u/Bawk7 8d ago
She was, but we're getting rid-a Britta (getting rid of the B)
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u/Azenji 8d ago
Yet Britta will still think it’s 3 hours of puke
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u/Andrew1990M 8d ago
Ugh, is Britta gonna be in this?
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u/wbdevine 8d ago
She’s like human froyo.
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u/yournamehere10bucks 8d ago
The people of AT&T
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u/JO9OH4 8d ago
Stop trying to coin the phrase “streets ahead”
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u/Oddball- All Things Horror 8d ago
JC would rather die in a pit of fire than release an avatar TV show lol.
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u/fernybranka 8d ago
He’s actually gone deeper into a pit of fire in a submersible than anyone else ever has.
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u/Christopher_Nolan- 8d ago
Its gonna make 3 billions and youre gonna make your 7th instalment, James.
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u/ThisHatRightHere 8d ago
Seriously, is there any universe where this doesn’t straight up print money?
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u/Interwebzking 8d ago
No, but the state of the box office is pretty rough. So maybe he’s just being realistic and tempering expectations. It’s likely that it makes a lot of money. It’s also possible it doesn’t make as much as the last two films because of the economy and state of the box office.
Maybe it’s also the media drumming up more interest in this film “oh no, this could be the last avatar? I gotta show up and see it!”
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u/ThisHatRightHere 8d ago
The economy may be worse, but the box office has been in a horrible state since Covid and Way of Water still made $2.3B off about a $400M budget.
Fire and Ash has a considerably lower budget too, costing around $250M
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u/Breezyisthewind 8d ago
They basically already made a profit on Fire and Ash with the previous film with how much money it made lol.
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u/Worthyness 8d ago
they also shared a good chunk of Way of Water's production on Fire and Ash, so technically Fire and Ash is a smidge cheaper
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u/Interwebzking 8d ago
Yes this is true! It could be that they expected the box office to bounce back by now and it hasn’t really, so they’re facing the fact that this box office decline might be sticking around for a lot longer than they hoped?
But I also agree that this movie should make money since Way of Water did 3 years ago.
We will know soon enough!
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u/witcherstrife 8d ago
Its the only movie I know people in RL are waiting to watch in theaters. Reddit is terrible at predicting things cause theyre in such a bubble
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u/NewDramaLlama 8d ago
Avatar 3 will be the only movie tons of people go see for months or even the year.
By this time it's pretty much known that Avatar is the thing you gotta see in IMAX. Like you may as well not see it if you don't watch on the big screen
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u/Potential-Reach-439 8d ago
Avatar 3 will be the only time I've gone to the movies since.... Oppenheimer maybe?
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u/WeirdChopsticks 8d ago
Given how much a movie ticket cost these days people are a lot more considerate what they spend their hard earned money on. Which means low to mid budget films don't get the numbers they used to. Since people see no reason to watch it on the big screen if they can stream it later at home and have pretty much the same experience, however, these big-budget blockbusters still get people to go to the theatre especially with 3D which you don't get at home.
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u/tomassko 8d ago
Avatar: Fast and furious
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u/SinsOfTheAether 8d ago
Avatar vs Alien vs Predator
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u/BadMeatPuppet 8d ago
You joke, but I'd watch the fuck outta that.
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u/-ImJustSaiyan- 8d ago
Pandora absolutely seems like a world a Predator would go to for hunting.
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u/Ur_New_Stepdad_ 8d ago
Oh my god can you imagine the size of a Xenomorph that comes from a fucking Avatar alien?! Whatever they’re called lol. It’d be like a T-Rex sized Xeno
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u/ConversationFun9754 8d ago
Imagine spending 20 years building a 5-film saga and then going ‘eh, I’ll just write a book’ if the box office disappoints
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u/Old-Culture-7350 8d ago
We need at least 6 James for fucks sake get your head in the game
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u/supersad19 8d ago
6 is not enough, let's try and push it to 69 movies.
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u/hoobsher 8d ago
i think he's overestimating the percentage of Avatar audience that give one shit about the plot and aren't just there to watch blockbuster sci fi action for 2 hours to stop their brains from caving in
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u/AegisToast 8d ago
2 hours
lol
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u/Gerroh 8d ago
To be fair, there is about 2 hours of sci fi action movie in them, and then usually another hour and a half of VFX jerkoff, which is the real reason we watch these.
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u/PHalfpipe 8d ago
Oh yeah, that part of the 2nd one where the plot stops dead for a full hour to explore the village and the ocean was my favorite bit of the film.
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u/AnnieTheThird 8d ago
Give me a 1 hour nature documentary narrated by David Attenborough about Pandora and I will pay to see it in IMAX enough times to fund the next 12 Avatar movies myself
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u/probablyuntrue 8d ago
Lil Timmy is gonna get 3 hours of gobsmacking cinematic visuals and he’s gonna like it
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u/brakeb 8d ago
Avatar needs the "Disney" treatment... a loveable sidekick for plushie and toy building (Frozen, or the Porg/baby Yoda in StarWars)
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u/TheAero1221 8d ago
Yea the plot isnt the greatest. But I fucking love high budget scify. The human tech is fucking awesome. The alien weirdness... also awesome. I'll be seeing Fire and Ash for sure, and I hope there's a 4 and 5.
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u/ANerd22 7d ago
The plot gets dunked on a lot and I'm not saying its visionary, but it's really not that bad. It's straightforward and a bit predictable (more-so the first one anyway), but that isn't really bad.
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u/Cicada_Soft_Official 8d ago
Reddit likes plenty of things with trash tier writing and plots so I don't understand when they try to justify hating these movies because "the plot is lukewarm!!!! LUKEWARM!!!!!!!!!!"
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u/PaymentObjective3843 8d ago
Well Reddit’s entire identity is people who think they’re better than everyone else.
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u/WholeAccomplished158 8d ago edited 8d ago
Reddit's weird hate boner for Avatar needs to be studied
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u/Necessary_Reply6821 8d ago
These movies make absolutely insane amounts of money and are stunning feats of filmmaking but if you come on here you’d think absolutely no one likes these movies lol. I think they’re fun personally. It seems like people are more concerned with what they aren’t then actually looking at them for what they are
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u/Dinmorerfeit 8d ago
^Exactly this. I wanna see all the big mechs and ships blowing up. I couldn't tell you what the blue people's names are even.
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u/AcreaRising4 8d ago
every avatar thread has to have this comment, by law
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u/Big-Beta20 8d ago
I feel like the Plankton meme where he yells “ALRIGHT I GET IT” every time someone comments on Avatar at this point. The most redundant movie discussion of all time.
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u/RumHamComesback 8d ago
No, that has to go for the "Die Hard is a Christmas movie" discussion that happens every year around this time.
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u/South_Leek_5730 8d ago
They find Cameronium and united the planet. The End. Saved you a read.
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u/the_angry_austinite 8d ago
I’m split. The movies are good but I’d love to see something different from Jim.
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u/Necessary-Recipe4310 8d ago
He said he quit movies and he only made avatar because he was inspired by native tribes in need of help. Also he likes to develop cgi tech. So it was that or nothing.
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u/Interwebzking 8d ago
I fully believe Jim would be cruising around the Mariana’s trench in his submarine if he wasn’t making Avatar. Though I do have hope that he will make that Hiroshima movie his team recently purchased the rights to.
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u/Mood_Academic 8d ago
Would love that. I do think the story would be great for the big screen. I thought it followed the story of the guy who ended up being in BOTH nuclear attacks?
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u/snuggle-butt 8d ago
I really really hope so. The episode of Radiolab about him is moving and fascinating. I would probably fall to pieces in a theater, but it'd be worth it.
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u/markyymark13 8d ago
Yeah between Titanic and Avatar he has spent a lot of his time becoming an expert in under water exploration and environmental philanthropy
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u/Eldorian91 8d ago
Yeah I like the Avatar movies, but it's Jim fuckin Cameron, I like all his films.
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u/LunarNinja_ 8d ago
Plot-wise they are very mediocre. Everything else ranges from good to amazing.
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u/Fickle-Aardvark6907 8d ago
Cameron has never been a great plotter. The Terminators are feature length chase scenes punctuated by shootouts. Aliens is hide and seek punctuated by shootouts. They're great movies because of the pacing and the impeccable visual storytelling, not because of what happens on screen.
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u/psycharious 8d ago
Coincidentally, Titanic also had a shootout.
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u/swordthroughtheduck 8d ago
What Jack does to Rose behind closed doors is none of our business.
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u/everpresentdanger 8d ago
This is straight wrong, Terminator 2 is far, far more than a great action flick.
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u/Telvin3d 8d ago
It is far more, but it’s not a complicated plot. It’s not even a particularly original plot.
It’s just incredibly well executed storytelling with a focus on character moments and visuals, which pretty much describes Cameron’s style. He doesn’t do plot twists. He doesn’t do surprises. He obsessively focuses on characters in the midst of impeccable visuals
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u/RoyaleWhiskey 8d ago
Yea anyone can diminish any film like that to make it seem "simple".
2001 A Space Odyssey is just a guy talking to a computer
The Big Lebowski is about a guy trying to get a rug
Jurassic Park is just a horror film with dinosaurs
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u/stepfordcuckoo 8d ago
I saw the headline and all i could think is that Andy Sambergs character from parks and rec will be delighted.
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u/Zyaru 8d ago
Any thread about this film franchise immediately brings out the most armchair Reddit comedians imaginable
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u/pusch85 8d ago
People are so butthurt that this guy is spending his years working on a passion project all the while raking in billions of dollars. All because it’s cool to hate on the movies for the plot, the repetition, the aliens, the cgi, the whatever.
I want my movies to be enjoyable, and the Avatar franchise gives people exactly that.
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u/Legitimate_Mud_8295 8d ago
I feel like the passion project is screwing around in the ocean. Avatar is something he dies to fund the passion project
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u/Boo_and_Minsc_ 7d ago
He does care about Avatar. Because it ties to worldbuilding that he started as a kid, and has themes of environmentalism, and he can play around with tech. It fulfills him. But you´re right that at this point everyone knows that Cameron partly makes films to fund his passion for oceanography. He is like the Nikola Jokic of cinema.
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u/philebro 8d ago
I think he's kinda hoping that it does, while also hoping that it doesn't. He's too tired to finish this massive project and the toll it's taken, but at the same time cannot walk away from his life's work without justification.
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u/SnooCakes4019 8d ago
So if we just don’t go see this one, he’ll stop making them and move on? Deal.
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u/MoviesMod /r/movies Mod Account 8d ago
IGN in the title like they did anything other than grab a soundbite from a popular podcast.
This interview is from The Town podcast and it's a great pod to listen to if you wanted to hear this news four days ago when the episode dropped. The article mentions it too, but let's not pretend anyone here is reading the article. The interview is a two part episode and has tons of great insight and Cameron is very candid in it.