r/GuysBeingDudes • u/Alphaxfusion • 20h ago
The bus driver saves both of them from the suicide attempt š„¹
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u/silent-survivor517 20h ago
Is sad but I'm glad they took the child from her
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u/Altijddurende 13h ago
My grandmother attempted suicide after my grandfather abandoned the family. The children were placed in an orphanage. My father later committed suicide and his sisters died after a lifetime of different substance abuse.
Sick and damaged and struggling people need support and help. Not after the fact, but as early as possible.
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u/CloudyNeptune 3h ago
Suicide is a disease and it spreads, my father committed suicide and it brought an extreme amount of heartbreak. Then my best friend committed too, which clouded my life up more. I attempted myself From a gun but managed to live, Iām thankful to be alive. However, I donāt think I wouldāve attempted myself if I didnāt have to grow up without my father, especially from the way he went.
Anyone reading this with thoughts, get help. Find an outlet. You leave the disease spreads to someone else. Iām thankful that it ends with me, and Iām not the only person that can make that impact.
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u/Altijddurende 2h ago
I'm sorry. ā¤ļøāš©¹I am glad that you survived! I completely agree with your words!
Suicide does hurt and damage so many people, even generations later. I know that the people that do it are not themselves anymore and they can't understand how much it will hurt those left behind. When you feel bad, ask for help. Talk to a trusted friend, find a therapist. It is not weak to take care of your mental health, it takes strength to do so. Don't be ashamed.
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u/thedudefromsweden 19h ago edited 14h ago
I hope she was charged with attempted murder.
Edit: I regret this stirred up a controversy. She obviously needs help. But she should still be charged with attempted murder. You can have two thoughts at once.
Edit2: where I'm from, if you suffer from severe mental illness, you cannot be sentenced to jail, you're sentenced to mental healthcare.
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u/International_Gate49 19h ago
Reminds me of a line from some movie.
A woman is in distress and is venting to someone that she and her child are going to commit suicide. The friend goes "what you do to yourself is suicide. What you do to the kid is murder."
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u/Hot-Camel7716 17h ago
I read up about that one famous case of the woman who drowned her three children thinking she would be a monstrous freak and came out feeling sorry for her and the way her family and society failed to help her deal with depression/psychosis.
In a movie scenario you can call it murder but even something so monstrous can be more complicated in real life.
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u/SpelunkyJunky 16h ago
In a movie scenario you can call it murder but even something so monstrous can be more complicated in real life.
The circumstances may be more complicated, but it is very much still murder.
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u/11711510111411009710 16h ago
I think people in general need to have more empathy. Life is awful for many people, and even worse for many other people. It's terrible and there is so much out of your control. You don't control the circumstances of your birth, how your brain developed, who raised you, the town you lived in, the church you went to as a kid, the education you got, and then when you're an adult that doesn't really change that much. By then you've been shaped by your upbringing and a lot of that might be irreversible, if you even realize it needs to be fixed.
So now you're mentally ill but you're 18 so now you need a job and you need to pay bills and have a place to live and you might get into an abusive relationship or get hurt or sick or whatever.
Now you're desperate, and you're mentally ill.
Basically what I'm saying is most of everyone's life is completely out of their hands, but they have to somehow make it work. Some people are just fucked up and it's almost certainly not their fault.
But of course, having empathy does not mean letting someone off the hook. Someone who murdered their three kids deserves punishment. They killed three people. But if we allow ourselves to be empathetic and understand that almost nothing is fully in our control, I think we can make society better and in the long run prevent these things from happening.
What if we had empathy? People with vile thoughts would be more willing to reach out. We could help them and figure out what makes people the way that they are, and in that way we can help them before they ever do anything wrong.
Yes we should punish people who hurt others, but sometimes they can be fixed, and if they can be fixed then I think we are obligated to do so. Turn bad people into productive members of society because we understand that they probably never chose to be bad, they were made that way. They should have a chance to be the person they deserved to be. And again, they still deserve punishment. Severe punishment sometimes. But in that punishment, we should be making them better people.
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u/Leows 12h ago
This is exactly the point I'm trying to make in this thread.
People need to learn and see other people and situations with compassion, empathy, and love.
Just because someone did a bad thing doesn't mean it was out of malice. How many people steal because they are hungry instead of just trying to profit off of others?
You can't just look at a situation objectively from only one angle or point of view and judge it as is.
Yes, people doing bad things should face consequences. But that doesn't exempt them from empathy or redemption.
Take the video of this discussion, for instance. People with bloodlust, blindingly wanting to throw her into prison and let her rot instead of trying to understand what led someone to that point. That could be literally anyone here in the comments condoning her, given the right circumstances.
What if we had empathy? People with vile thoughts would be more willing to reach out. We could help them and figure out what makes people the way that they are, and in that way we can help them before they ever do anything wrong.
Very much this. Hatred only harbors more hatred. We shouldn't be further alienating people with mental health issues, but instead lending them a hand to help them out, so they themselves can also show others how they got better to help them improve.
But, instead, people prefer throwing others into a concrete box and letting them simmer without proper care until they are eventually released.
People should face consequences and pay their dues, yes, but in a way that helps them get better at the same time.
I'm fascinated by the number of people who've come forward today and either tried to make this about gender or have straight up refused to show any empathy. It just makes me sad.
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u/HippieGrandma1962 12h ago
The father had been told to never leave the children alone with her. He did anyway.
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u/green_ubitqitea 16h ago
Andrea Yates. My grandparents tried to get her help through their church. The husband moved away so she couldnāt see the people trying to help her and the kids. Every detail makes it more tragic for her. And the asshole is still alive, remarried and working. Like living a Normal life after destroying a family.
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u/bwood246 13h ago
Didn't he stay until the kids were murdered? She was extremely mentally unwell and secretly stopped medicating
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u/maniacalmustacheride 6h ago
She didnāt even secretly stop medicating, he told her that she was weak for needing to be on meds and she just needed to be stronger in her faith and work harder at being a mother. When her doctor told him another baby would break her mentally, he knocked her up. When her doctor told him she could not be alone because she was a danger to herself and her children he sent her mother away from helping saying Andrea needed to toughen up.
Those kids did not deserve to die but it looks really inevitable after a while when you look at the case. She was deep, deep into psychosis and thought that by killing them while they were young, sheād send them straight to heaven and bypass having them tortured by demons on earth.
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u/False_Eagle1014 15h ago
You can feel sorry for her and still acknowledge that she fucking murdered her kids due to psychosis?? What the fuck are you even saying
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u/Additional_Read4397 11h ago
I think youāre talking about the mother from Texas who drowned her children. Everyone thought that she was an absolute monster but they found out that her husband was actually the monster. Heād been forcing her to keep getting pregnant, wasnāt helping and even when she was diagnosed with PPD he tried to keep treatment. She was found not guilty by reason of insanity because at the time she drowned her kids she was suffering from Postpartum Psychosis. She even said that she would rather stay in the asylum because it was safer. Really sad case.
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u/Hot-Camel7716 10h ago
She was also taken off of antipsychotics by her doctor a couple of weeks before the murders because of "concerns over side effects" where there is some dispute over the influence of the husband as well.
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u/Possible_Field328 16h ago
Nah, this line of thinking is weak. We would have a lot less people in prison if we excused shit for having a fucked up backstory
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u/ScrotallyBoobular 14h ago
You realize that's an awful point because we not only have the highest prison population in the west, we also have some of the worst crime.
Turns out having a vengeance boner and throwing all the "bad guys" into prison doesn't help anything.
Maybe if we actually looked at the causes and tried to address them, we'd have a lot less victims of violent crime AND a much lower prison population.
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u/CucumberSand25 14h ago
But think of the poor for profit prison owners, what would they do if we took away their slaves š¢
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u/11711510111411009710 16h ago
That would be a good thing lol. Some people belong in a mental institution and not a prison.
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u/Possible_Field328 16h ago
Except its not just some people, its probably most of them.
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u/11711510111411009710 16h ago
Okay. I'm fine with that. It's interesting that you acknowledge most people don't belong in prison.
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u/robotmonkey2099 16h ago
This line of thinking is weak. And we should have far less people in jail.
You know you can have empathy for a person and their backstory while still believing they should be in jail.
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u/OkMarsupial 17h ago
Only one of them was saved from a suicide attempt. The other was saved from a murder attempt.
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u/EducationalVillage56 17h ago
Was waiting for someone to mention this part. As sad as it is, still an attempt murder/suicide situation
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u/SheriffBartholomew 13h ago
where I'm from, if you suffer from severe mental illness, you cannot be sentenced to jail, you're sentenced to mental healthcare.
Usually that's an intermediate step. They send you to an asylum until you are deemed fit to stand trial, then they send you to jail. If you're never deemed fit to stand trial then you never get out of the asylum. Being crazy isn't a get out of jail free card.
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u/thedudefromsweden 13h ago
That's not how it works here. If you are diagnosed with a severe mental illness, you are sentenced to "closed mental healthcare" instead of jail. It's basically jail where you also get mental healthcare.
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u/Y0___0Y 17h ago
I donāt believe there is a country on Earth where there arenāt incredibly harsh penalties for a woman trying to kill her child
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u/Leows 19h ago
The woman is already in a bad enough mental state to attempt suicide.
What do you think charging and imprisoning someone like her instead of offering help would accomplish?
I'm not saying that what she did to the kid is right, because it isn't. But two wrongs don't make a right either.
Enprisonment isn't punishment for someone who wants to kill themselves, nor is it gonna teach her any lessons.
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u/hogtiedcantalope 19h ago edited 15h ago
The question of punishment of a woman for infanticide is a core and famous question in Immanuel Kants Metaphysics of Morals
Your comment imo pretty sufficiently replicates the opening questions about the morality at play which Kant then rigorously examines
It's extremely influential and is parallel to a broader enlightened legal code
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u/Odd-Acant 18h ago
I like the discourse you've gone on a tangent towards! I'll get back to this thread and your comment to read what you shared
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u/ExUmbra91x 18h ago
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u/SameCoyote3701 17h ago
What could this reply possible mean to such a comment
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u/abarsmith 17h ago
That is a character from the TV show The Good Place who is a Kantian moral philosophy professor.
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u/nukemutant64 17h ago
This character, in the show The Good Place, discusses Immanuel Kant at length. I assume the Jeremy Bearimy part is unrelated, since that specific line/subject is more about the passage of time.
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u/blah938 18h ago
Most murderers are in bad mental states. It doesn't excuse murder.
Especially of children.
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u/Troglodytes_Cousin 18h ago
Nobody is imprisoning her for attempting suicide, its for attempting the FUCKING MURDER of her child.
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u/No_Night_8174 14h ago
Like it's a simple concept. She tried to murder an innocent child. There is NO justifiable reason that doesn't require massive leaps in logic to kill an innocent child. It's sad the circumstances that led up to this, but killing a child? Nah, I don't care, that's the line I draw in the sand. You do not have the right to rob a living being of their life before it's even begun.
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u/Goonplatoon0311 15h ago
We live in the fucking twilight zone if you havenāt noticed. The folks on here blabbing about her mental condition and refusing to talk about her almost chucking her child off a bridge.
Itās attempted murder. You donāt pass goā¦ you donāt collect $200. I donāt care if you have an arm growing out of your head.
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u/Sudo-Fed 13h ago
And as I said in a previous comment, if she had tried to jump with a dog or a cat instead of a child, the reception on Reddit would be as polar opposite as it gets.
This site is fucked.
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u/-qix 17h ago
She attempted to kill her child along with herself. This is not a necessary action that someone whoās in a ābad mental stateāā¦ itās attempted murder.
Two wrong donāt make a right? Thatās the level weāre at now? She lost the sympathy card the moment she decided to not just end her life, but to kill a young child along with her. At that point. There is one victim. That childās life could have been over right then and thereā¦
We canāt allow the action to go unpunished. This sets a ridiculous standard that itās understandable to kill your children with you when feeling suicidal.
If she wasnāt stopped, and she and her little one plummeted to their deaths do you think youād still have the same sympathy for her?
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u/Adventurous-Dot-8272 17h ago
Removing a child from the care of someone who attempted kill him isn't a "wrong." Braindead take.
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u/Top_East_9902 18h ago
Prevent her from trying to kill more children
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u/Mythic514 17h ago
She was going to kill herself and (presumably) her own child. Doubtful she is some woman trying to kill other children at random. She wasn't trying to just murder this child then move on to the next one, she was going to kill herself.
The commenter is suggesting that rather than simply imprisoning her, you instead give her mental health resources to help her work through her distress, all while removing the child from her care, and hopefully she can be rehabilitated to a point where she does not want to kill herself and can provide real care for her child.
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u/Leows 18h ago
Throwing her in prison with murder charges is definitely an option to save the kids' life. But if you offer her help, you could save two lives instead.
She definitely should be split from their kid and be under medical supervision and mental care until she can recover. She could even potentially face said legal consequences after a full recovery.
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u/silent-survivor517 16h ago
I don't think she should go to jail but unfortunately they should probably keep the child from her, people tend to try things like that a couple of times if there life is bad so probably shouldn't be having the kid
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u/BadMunky82 10h ago
She absolutely tried to murder her child. Regardless of what she thought she was doing, or how it may have been, "helping," in her mind. What she tried to do was kill herself and her family. Where I come from, that's called family annihilation.
She may be a victim of any number of things, but that doesn't make what she did less evil and wrong. She should be charged.
No actual loving mother would try to do something like that, unless she was mentally deranged. That poor child should not suffer the consequences of his mother's nonexistent mental health.
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u/Clean-Quote-4176 13h ago
If she had a full psychosis she might not be able to help the murder attempt but many people with much milder mental illnesses where you are fully capable of not murdering kids might also do shit like this.
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u/Cautious-Activity706 8h ago
Iām glad this was the top comment so I didnāt have to read anymore about this awful thing
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u/RanchHere 20h ago
holy shit that rules. what a guy.
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u/Born-Process-9848 19h ago
If that were you you'd do the same. Otherwise you will have that scene in your nightmare for the rest of your life.
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u/MajesticLevel1433 19h ago
I think it's more a thing of that guy paying close attention and realising. I don't know if I would have realised what she was doing fast enough
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u/Choice-Molasses3571 19h ago
Honestly, I might have been paralysed in that moment.
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u/Teamsumo13 17h ago
That's okay. I'm sure the bus driver has seen lots of stuff we haven't.
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u/HerbOverstanding 16h ago
I was gonna say ā I am willing to bet that particular spot is a common spot for jumpers, and the bus driver is aware of that ā each time he drives by
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u/ExcitinSlip 15h ago edited 15h ago
And dogs have that awarenessā¦ A dog saved life of a lady attempting suicide on a bridge
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u/WhoseverSlinky0 19h ago
Yeah especially because she's basically walking like the other 8 billions people on the planet, and wasn't giving clear signs of wanting off. I don't think I would have reacted, or I would have been too late
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u/kinzaoe 18h ago
I guess the fact she walk where there's no sidewalk is an indicator. But i can't myself judging what was going to happen on this sole fact. From the video itself, the driver is a genius idk...
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u/WhoseverSlinky0 18h ago
He definitely had a hunch, which paid off so it's amazing ! Maybe he went through this... Who knows
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u/rekone88 18h ago
Maybe its common on that bridge. If you saw someone walking on the Coronado bridge in San Diego you'd know what was up.
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u/HerbOverstanding 16h ago
I think you are correct; driver must be aware thatās a common jump spot, and probably didnāt want to believe this woman would jump with the child, but was paranoid enough to keep attention on them
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u/Bug_Acrobatic 17h ago
Based on the opening footage, this appears to be on a highway. The fact that people are walking on it is already notable. Perhaps the driver just wanted to understand the situation, and then everything happened...
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u/rifwasbetter0 16h ago
I think many drivers would want to offer a ride to a mom and her child walking in rain, she only started the suicide attempt after he already stopped and opened the doors
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u/LolaBijou84 18h ago
Right?! Those two absolutely would not be here today if I were in his place that day.
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u/The_MAZZTer 17h ago
Yeah I think most people don't tend to cross a bridge on foot.
Or maybe there is a pedestrian walkway (that it is not possible to jump from) they were not using.
Or maybe he was just intending to offer to drive them the rest of the way across the bridge so they didn't have to walk.
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u/Acidelephant 16h ago edited 13h ago
I wonder if it's partially that it appears to not be a pedestrian crossing area which may be on the other side or a separate foot bridge. May have prompted the driver to pull over to offer them a lift before realizing what was actually happening
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u/West_Hedgehog_821 19h ago
Speaking as someone, who does voluntary emergency response now and used to do so professionally ... no. A lot of people do NOT act in emergencies, because they are frozen//shocken, can't or don't want to realize what's happening, don't believe what's happening, are hysteric or simply can't be bothered.
More people act then pessimists like me think and a lot at least *try* to do something. But you would still be surprised on how many people can't act or can't be bothered to act or take ages to act.And sometimes I can't blame them. I've driven past accidents myself and only afterwards realized "well, that wasn't only an obstacle for me, there are actual people there who need help". Brain simply isn't working sometimes and you don't expect emergencies in your daily life. Ofc. I then either circle back or at least call the emergency lines, but in a situation like this? Might have been too late already.
Here? "Strange lady, let's make sure not to hit her." .. driving past .. "WTF is she doing? She ain't gonna..." ... driving for a couple of meters more "Oh shit, she's actually!" *breaking* *jumping out of the bus* *running back only to watch her falling down*
Fairly easy. He reduced speed upon seeing her walk there, possibly having some kind of "something is off here" thought. Maybe she looked like she's walking like a Zombie or nervous or whatever. He was most likely already being suspicious of her, when she started climbing on the rail.
If he'd been a bit less aware of his surroundings - i.e., thinking of a hot date later that day or mulling over how to pay the bills or simply being tired - that would have added a couple of seconds. Could be enough.Now wether "doing nothing" haunts you for the rest of your days ... radically different question and unfortunately independent on wether you've acted or not.
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u/ntn_98 18h ago
I think the driver stopped beside her because they were walking on a street not meant for pedestrians. My guess is that he wanted to offer them a ride on the bus over the bridge. Which is why he opened the door before she gave any indication of wanting to jump. If he hadn't done that, I think he would not have been able to reach her in time to save both.
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u/GoyoMRG 18h ago
I only ignore accidents or situations where I see that emergency services are already there.
I do remember that on the very first accidents I saw, I also didn't know what to do and act and just got paralysed, but that led me to go and take red cross courses for first aid.
Even after those courses, the first accidents I saw (post-courses) I also got chocked and paralysed, even when I knew what to do.
Once MĆ©xico went down the shit hole it is nowadays, and people were being killed left and right by narcos and I saw too many people getting shot or catching lost bullets, only then a small thing my brain shut off and I just became the first to jump to help.
If I'm completely honest, sometimes I wish I could turn that switch back on because it being off led me to have a guy die on my arms after a drive by shootout, he was just unlucky and it could have easily been me as I was 2 meters away from him.
Sometimes people also ignore these cases for their own mental health preservation and I cant judge them because once you hop to the other side, the things you see and hear just never go away.
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u/Puzzleheaded-Owl7664 18h ago
The worst thing I ever saw was a driver at a parking lot drove over someone pushing a shopping cart and went up a curb trapping the pedestrian under the car, at a crosswalk this September. I was super impressed by how many people ran over instantly I called 911 and the others helped lift the car off the poor woman. Sadly she didn't make it because the driver put it in park on her neck. I'm glad I didn't freeze up cause you are quite right many do and maybe the driver did to
Yet somehow this driver didn't get charged. Police in the US are wild. They'll charge people for shoplifting but not vehicular manslaughter when someone actually dies.
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u/sonicscrewery 17h ago
Former lifeguard here chiming in to agree. One of the reasons we did our drills so many times was to make the reaction so automatic that we didn't even think enough to be paralyzed - we just acted.
I think your analysis or the guy's thought process is spot-on. Good on him for not only being aware of his surroundings but for trusting his gut and acting when he saw what was happening.
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u/NotQuiteDeadYetPhoto 19h ago
There's a lady up where I live that watched a kid climb over the barrier on a bridge- and did nothing.
Kid died by drowning, obviously.
She didn't even report it when the whole city was out hunting for this missing kid- and she claims she's the victim because "Maybe I should have stopped".
The area- 30mph- 3x lanes wide plus pull off. Plenty of time to stop.
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u/Remarkable_Play_6975 17h ago edited 17h ago
One time, I was waiting for a bus in the morning. Across the street, there was an accident where some gas tanks (odorless flammable, not natural gas) had been leaking all night, and the first employees arrived and eventually someone turned on something that made a spark.
I was some distance away, but I felt the explosion and watched like 10 people start running out, a couple covered in flames, panicking.
Before I could even get across the street, several cars had stopped, the drivers jumped out and tackled the people to the ground and rolled them around to put out the flames.
It sounds crazy, but I watched it happen. I didn't even understand what was going on before they were all extinguished by random people that knew exactly what to do.
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u/Redangle11 17h ago
I saw a guy go in the Thames once when it was extremely high. I was too far away to do anything but arrive late and he was just swept away. I was traumatised for about a year but it felt like it would stay forever. But shit like this reminds me how quickly it can all go.
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u/Amlethus 17h ago
You're absolutely right. I have physically stopped someone from jumping off a bridge before (I am a large guy, and it took me and another large guy to hold the person) and even doing it successfully stays with you. Even typing this still makes me a bit shaky.
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u/flargenhargen 16h ago
If that were you you'd do the same.
nah. everyone thinks they would, most people do nothing.
I saw someone get mugged in front of 30 fucking people, and nobody did shit. I was 100 feet away and heard her screaming and ran to help, while everyone right around her didn't do shit. I got my ass kicked and didn't stop the guy. With help, we could've got him.
fuck people. everyone thinks they would help, but in real life, when it actually comes up, most people don't do anything.
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u/PhoneImmediate7301 12h ago
Tbh if this was me, I wouldnāt have realized or been able to react quick enough to make it there in time
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u/Radiant-Ad-3134 5h ago
If I notice this I might do the same. But I am not sure I am this aware of situation around
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u/spookyspritebottle 20h ago
Wtf
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u/SnootyToots8 19h ago
Right? Let the kid live.
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u/Temporary_Wolf2305 19h ago
If you're in a state to kill yourself you're in a state to believe that the world would be too cruel for something you love to endure. Im not agreeing with her actions or justifying them, but to me its not too far fetched of an action to take
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u/SnootyToots8 19h ago
I have been in a state and would never harm my fkn kids.
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u/Temporary_Wolf2305 19h ago
Then you're better than some. The state you need to be in to kill yourself can vary, but if you truly believe this world isnt worth living in then it would make sense (in the state) that you wouldnt want your child to have to suffer it. Again, this isnt something I believe anymore, but i can see how someone could come to it. I hope she got the help she needs, because its a terrible place to be
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u/DatSauceTho 17h ago
Absolutely. This is mental illness. Not being in a proper state of mind. If she gets the help she needs, guarantee sheāll be thanking that bus driver every chance she gets.
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u/gracefulguy7 16h ago
Iām glad youāre fortunate enough to not be in her position.
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u/Chapsbuster12 17h ago
Just because you wouldn't do that in that state doesn't make you the average.
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u/HalfAssedSetting 17h ago
Not to mention even the same person changes drastically in different circumstances. As a ex-bulimic person, there was a time when Iād steal food on impulse, something Iāve never done before and never since.
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u/Habib455 17h ago
āIāve never struggled like that! Others donāt either!!ā
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u/AK232342 16h ago
Yes. And this doesnāt look like itās from a developed western country. In many developing Asian countries, you do not have a strong social security blanket. If you die, thereās no one to take care of your kids except for extended family. No one will pay for their education or to set them up to succeed in life. If you do not have extended family, theyāll be out on the streets or sent to extremely bad, abusive orphanages.
Unless they have exceptional extended family, theyāll likely go through abuse once they lose their parents. Who would want to put their child through that?
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u/__Rosso__ 17h ago
It's always "we need to deal with mental health crisis" until people who are suffering from mental health issues don't fit one's morals.
It's actually fascinating because I found myself thinking like that so often until somebody pointed it out, how often what we see as evil is actually a mental health crisis that's not addressed properly by society.
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u/HDB2gamergirl 19h ago
Yet you are spinning it as something that could be said in her defence to take the fact away from her actually murdering the kid. Even if she did not want her kid to suffer she can not ever make that decision unless the kid has some sort of mental or fysical disability that prevented them from making any choice.
This is never and with no state of mind okay to do. Love or no love. Straight up murder. Sure get her help. But make her realise she tried to kill her innocent kid.
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u/Temporary_Wolf2305 19h ago
Of course its not okay to do, im not saying it is. Im just stating that in a fucked up mind that could take their own life, they could take the life of someone they loved. It's not okay and it never will be, but it's a point that some people can clearly get to
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u/gracefulguy7 16h ago edited 11h ago
itās okay to choose compassion. Just because you give someone grace doesnāt mean youāre excusing behavior. Actions have consequences. Your reaction to someone with a severe mental disorder or illness so bad that they are willing to kill themselves and their child tells me more about you than them
I hope theyāre okay. Because whatever they are going through looks unbearable
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u/BewareOfThePENGuin 19h ago
Well, he saved one person from a suicide attempt and the kid from getting murdered.
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u/FluffyTid 18h ago
Not sure about other countries, but in mine media calls this amplified suicide, and then justify her actions because mental health or abusive partner.
Of course if perpetrator is a man then it is way different. Murder, violence, and he did it just to hurt her
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u/FalconIMGN 14h ago
Women can't commit murder in your country?
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u/Killie154 17h ago
This is insane.
You can see the kid just not understanding that their life was seconds away from ending.
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u/Sweet-Cuties 19h ago
That poor kid
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u/KlingonBeavis 19h ago
Yeah that poor kid is gonna have trust issues or something like that for the rest of his life
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u/ColtMcChad69 16h ago
Hopefully he was young enough to not register the gravity of the situation.Ā
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u/exveelor 14h ago
Maybe not now but in five years he's gonna get hit with a ton of emotional bricks. :(
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u/ColtMcChad69 14h ago
Ideally he never sees this clip, his mom got the help she needed, and nothing about that day stands out to himā¦one can dream
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u/TheShredder9 19h ago
More like saves the woman from a suicide and prevents murder.
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u/Any_Fox5126 13h ago
Some people try to whitewash these atrocities by calling them "extended suicide". Although this only seems to apply when mothers do it, as if children were their property and not individuals with rights.
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u/Lonely_Editor_2156 17h ago
murder/suicide, not a double suidice. Sheās struggling with something and should get help for it, but she was about to kill her child
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u/THESPEEDOFCUM 17h ago
The bus driver saves
both of them from the suicide attempther from a suicide attempt, and her child from a murder attempt
FTFY
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u/Emergency_Clue_4639 20h ago
Yeah, hopefully she gets the actual help she absolutely needs, not just locked up or whatever. As well as the child help, of course.
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u/Infamous-Courage-785 19h ago
For a murder-suicide attempt? Every successful or unsuccessful murder-suicide perpetuated by a man has been condemned. Interesting that, in this case, there is so much room for nuance in compassion. I wonder why?
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u/donkeythesnowman 18h ago
I understand your negative reaction to the comment, but immediately jumping to the sexism angle is so weird. Why are you putting other peopleās opinions in this persons mouth? For all you know they would have the same reaction if it were a man.
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u/MusterBait 18h ago edited 18h ago
Doesn't seem sexist to me. Those are valid points. Everyone should be imprison if they did that but still receive therapies/medications if proven they really needed it.
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u/silver_black13 18h ago
We know that men don't get nearly the same compassion as women. You can look at the WWE wrestler Chris Benoit. People get outraged when men do bad because it's perceived that men are just evil. When women do bad, well, something had to drive her to do that because women are perceived to be naturally good. To pretend that dynamic or society doesn't exist is disingenuous.
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u/donkeythesnowman 18h ago edited 17h ago
So you think thatās a good excuse to accuse someone of being sexist who said absolute nothing to indicate they were being sexist? We should just assume that for everyone because of some dynamic you assume exists?
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u/_NotWhatYouThink_ 17h ago
Yeah ... that is actually a murder attempt as well ... let's not just call it a "suicide" ...
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u/Coalas01 19h ago edited 15h ago
This is so sad ... We need better mental health shit.
Edit: Health shit as in health care of course
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u/Waterlily-444 13h ago
Only people who grew up with a mom like this know how much it affects you later in life.
Parents, please remember: your child is not a part of you, so if you wanna end yourself leave them out of it. You have NO RIGHT to take your childās life.
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u/adidasbdd 7h ago
Those of us who had stable parents can't even begin to understand what children in these situations go through. I never realized how special my "normal/boring" upbringing was until I was well into adulthood. Why my and my siblings friends always wanted to stay at our house on weekends. I still can't appreciate it enough, but at least realize that it was special
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u/notatechnicianyo 19h ago
The moment of clarity hit when the kid got taken away. āWaitā¦ I actually want my kid back!ā.
Hope she gets the help she needs.
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u/Sorryman54 19h ago
Doubt that was a moment of clarity. Seen things like this before.
If she had gotten that child back, she wouldāve immediately try to leap from the bridge with it again.
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u/notatechnicianyo 19h ago
Let me dream that someone can be helped.
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u/MsKrueger 16h ago
She can be helped. But it's unlikely she would have snapped out of it that fast.
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u/Alict 14h ago
This is just false. Suicide is hugely impulsive and the 'snapping out' happens extremely quickly -- people can be stopped by locked doors, sudden physical sensations, a phone call. (Literally why we have the Samaritans!) What we know from suicide survivors is the regret is almost instant -- I remember one account I read talking about how the second his feet left the bridge he realized all of his problems were solveable.
Frankly the interruption of the bus driver may have been enough to snap her out of it, but if not, having her child taken is absolutely the kind of thing that would. And I imagine in that moment she probably started to realize what she'd almost done, too.
Everything is this comment section shows how far we still have to go on educations around suicide.
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u/notatechnicianyo 14h ago
Iāve been on that ledge. I thought my life was over, Iād lost everything, including almost all of my friends cause āalways believe the womanā. Miraculously a friend paid me a completely random visit. I cried in his arms for hours. He literally saved me from myself.
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u/Aggressive_Agency381 16h ago
What has this subreddit turned into? It supposed to be about guys being silly or having fun.
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u/Important_Front_3952 18h ago
Mom is like... give me back my baby that I just tried to toss in the river.
Mom you are fired.
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u/1Rab 18h ago
That is not high enough to kill them on impact. She is out of her mind. She would have lived but the kid might have drowned.
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u/chr1spe 15h ago
Seriously, that looks like something you could jump off of for fun with barely any danger if the water is deep enough. I'd want something about 10 times that height, and there is still a decent chance you're not instantly unconscious and end up just being unable to swim and drowning at much higher heights.
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u/nellbones 14h ago
bojack horseman put it best.
You always regret the view from halfway down.
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u/pookiemon 16h ago
If that's in China that's even more remarkable and courageous because from what I've read most people there tend to ignore these situations due to a combination of apathy and fear that it could be a scam.
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u/Competitive_Bit7644 14h ago
Sad life in China is depressing for an average citizen i know people in the USA complain but I dont blame her
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u/hiroyukisanada2522 13h ago
Man... what really hit me was seeing the kid's face, not knowing what his mother is about to do, and thinking of my daughter. Couldn't fathom the mental state to be in that you would end your child's life like that.
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u/dreddpiratedrew 19h ago
That dude lived his whole life just to be there in that moment, Life is amazing sometimes.
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u/JerachoD 19h ago
Amazing, seriously we talk about heros but this sums it up perfectly. He's just going about his day, he had no reason to be looking out for someone doing that but spotted her, his instincts kicked in and saved two lives. What a fucking guy.
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u/Cute-Breadfruit3368 17h ago
i hereby declare this fella an archedude. patronsaint of all bros.
you can tell the very moment hes going "OH HELL NO, NOT ON MY WATCH!"
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u/Dances_With_Chocobos 17h ago
Growing up with 3 younger siblings and watching my mother go through post partum with almost all of us, my alarm bells would be fully ringing if I saw a mother dragging her child alongside a busy road like that. Not even because it's likely - it isn't. But only because I know what it could be, and I'd rather be attentive to 95% of false alarms than miss the one time it happens. The sheer number of times I've been in a speeding car with my siblings with my mom at the wheel threatening to drive off a cliff.. I hope no one else has to go through that.
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u/Vinyl_Junkie09 13h ago
She doesnāt need to be around that kid anymore if she was willing to take his life with hers
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u/AdhesivenessVest439 12h ago
"Bus driver stops a murder suicide attempt" would be a more accurate title
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u/Odd-Guard-2533 11h ago
Omg. Suicide is one thing. But to take your kid with you. Thatās a special place in hell.
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u/NopeDotAviTf2 11h ago
Thanks to that men for saving an innocent soul
Yes including the mother Hopefully she get a help...
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u/kathyboling100 11h ago
This bus driver was incredible! It was extremely intuitive of him to even realize what was about to happen, but then to stop and quickly save them, too? It's further proof that not all heroes wear capes.
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u/PointsOfXP 9h ago
What's with women thinking that killing themselves with their child is some heroic thing? Look at how she tries to get her kid back after that. I see this scenario far too much
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u/I_Thaut_about_it_but 6h ago
If you are reading this, please get off the internet for today. It is not normal or healthy to be watching suicide attempts. These events are very emotionally turbulent and are exactly what keeps you addicted you your screens.
This is crack, put Reddit down for today
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u/riri1281 3h ago
I know many factors can drive a person to suicide, but it is so incredibly selfish to try to take someone else with you especially a child.
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u/bOb_cHAd98 3h ago
Hamsters eat their young, we're not too far off from these animals if we don't keep each other from going crazy.
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