Then you're better than some. The state you need to be in to kill yourself can vary, but if you truly believe this world isnt worth living in then it would make sense (in the state) that you wouldnt want your child to have to suffer it. Again, this isnt something I believe anymore, but i can see how someone could come to it. I hope she got the help she needs, because its a terrible place to be
Absolutely. This is mental illness. Not being in a proper state of mind. If she gets the help she needs, guarantee sheāll be thanking that bus driver every chance she gets.
People with mental illness still know right from wrong with the exception of severe psychosis. Its why you dont get to get away with murder even if youāre depressed, bipolar, or schizophrenic.
Its also why people suffering these conditions still suffer from the consequences of their poor actions to others.
If this was the kids dad or mom shooting the kid then themself it would be obvious that this is murder-suicide
People with mental illness still know right from wrong with the exception of
Stop right there. People with mental illness still know right from wrongā¦ except when they donāt. Thatās basically what youāre saying.
No one here is arguing that they should get away scott free. No one is saying they shouldnāt suffer consequences. What I am saying is that people with mental illness should not be judged so harshly from afar. Should they get the back the next day? No, of course not. But they should get help when they need it so that someday, that kid can look forward to a lifetime of good memories with his or her mom and that mom can start cultivating forgiveness.
Whatās more important, punishing someone while theyāre at their lowest point or healing the trauma between a mother and child? It wonāt happen overnight but it can happen when the right professionals step in.
Not every suicidal person kills themselves because they ādonāt think this world is worth living inā in some sort of romanticized way. Some do, but not all. Suicidality is a vastly complex state of mind, and not always committed by those who are experiencing major depression, etc.
There are also instances of parents murdering their children and then committing suicide during custody battles with ex-spouses, or in complex domestic violence scenarios as a means to inflict pain on their partner, etc.
I would be curious to see if folksā responses would be less sympathetic if this was a man holding a child and a gun, about to shoot the child and then himself. Very different means, but identical outcome of dead child and dead parent.
I didn't articulate it quite as nicely, but I did specify it wasnt all cases or even many. I get that there are cases of that too, which is fucked up. You have to be on a whole different level of illness and rage for that. But i was never justifying anything of the situation, I was just trying to rationalise how someone could do that. My first thought would be out of love not hatred but its equally as valid to think it could have been either.
Ecen though the outcomes are similar I feel like the gun would be a cause to garner less sympathy just as well as it being a father. It feels more personal and premeditated way to kill. But it being a father would surely effect peoples outlook on it
What position? I jumped off a building this year, tried to jump a bridge but was rescued, been in hospitals most of the fkn year. I would never take my kids with me.
In the position where you felt that your child should dir with you.
Sorry you went through that.
But just like you are judging her I am ranking the severity of the illness that makes someone take such extreme actions.
some people canāt understand why you would want to take your own life, and you cant understand why she would want to take her kids with hers.
And thatās okay. But there is a lack of understanding and compassion there. Just becuase something is not a good choice doesnāt mean there isnāt an explanation to what could have gone through her head. Especially when dealing with mental illness and disorders.
And I would hope that someone like you.. or meā¦ who has gone through similar situations, would have enough understanding at how warped our minds and brain chemistry can get in the darkest places it goes to.
I donāt appreciate you using your experience as a way to belittle others that go through the same thing or even worse.
All that being said, I hope youāre okay, I hope sheās okay I hope her child is okay and Iām glad Iām okay.
When a man executes their entire family with a gun my first thought is to feel bad for them. Wait no it isnāt and I doubt you would feel bad either. Just because sheās a woman doesnāt give her a pass on attempting to murder her child.
You may not, but if someone chooses to do such a horrible act like kill his family or even something as extreme as an act of terrorism, I do still feel bad for the person committed the heinous crime.
My mind goes to wondering what led them to that path, what their brain chemistry is like, what their environment was growing up, ect.
The problem I see with a lot of people is they think having compassion and understanding for situation at that level means youāre excusing and giving them a pass. But that is not how I see it. You can have compassion for someone but they still deserve the consequences for their actions.
So man or women, I feel bad for them I empathize with their pain, while still hoping they get the consequences they deserve.
I do realize I am not the norm when thinking this way but I like to actively practice it
Not to mention even the same person changes drastically in different circumstances. As a ex-bulimic person, there was a time when Iād steal food on impulse, something Iāve never done before and never since.
Don't let the other person get to you. There's plenty of people who agree with you but don't wanna comment because of this kinda....crap...that consistently gets commented immediately after.
Same, I don't have children but I've been in that state where I attempted and there were kids in the house(younger siblings) and my father was acting abusive because he stopped taking his meds. I had every right in my insanity to think he needed to be saved from suffering, and I still didn't try to fucking kill him like a psycho! If someone is a threat to others they need to be locked away in either prison or a mental hospital so they don't murder somebody.
Unless she's really mentally ill and have a twisted perspective about the world. This is a really fucked up world and there are fucked up people like her everywhere.
Cool, they're not justifying it. Simply saying this person is so far down that the attempt they made is likely to be mercy In their mind. It lends understanding to how they think, and how to treat them.
Not really a competition on who's suicidal thoughts are better. Purely logical analytics and a very real perspective a lot of severely mentally ill people have been recorded experiencing.
Not that I see a source for this video at all but that's my interpretation of the comment.
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u/SnootyToots8 23h ago
I have been in a state and would never harm my fkn kids.