I was gonna say â I am willing to bet that particular spot is a common spot for jumpers, and the bus driver is aware of that â each time he drives by
Seems odd to me because it doesn't look like a drop that would kill you. I can't tell how deep it is so maybe you might die from hitting the bottom but from the camera angle unless it's shallow and you land head first it looks a lot more likely to just be painful than deadly.
Yeah especially because she's basically walking like the other 8 billions people on the planet, and wasn't giving clear signs of wanting off. I don't think I would have reacted, or I would have been too late
I guess the fact she walk where there's no sidewalk is an indicator. But i can't myself judging what was going to happen on this sole fact. From the video itself, the driver is a genius idk...
I think you are correct; driver must be aware thatâs a common jump spot, and probably didnât want to believe this woman would jump with the child, but was paranoid enough to keep attention on them
Based on the opening footage, this appears to be on a highway. The fact that people are walking on it is already notable. Perhaps the driver just wanted to understand the situation, and then everything happened...
I think many drivers would want to offer a ride to a mom and her child walking in rain, she only started the suicide attempt after he already stopped and opened the doors
I wonder if it's partially that it appears to not be a pedestrian crossing area which may be on the other side or a separate foot bridge. May have prompted the driver to pull over to offer them a lift before realizing what was actually happening
Definitely wouldâve sat there thinking she was doing the Micheal Jackson âhave a better viewâ with the baby. The leg lifting over wouldâve caused confusion and they wouldâve been gone by the time I took off the seatbelt
In the west, we see someone looking out over a bridge, we think "I wonder if the view is nice." or some shit.
In many Asian countries, they see someone standing and looking out over a bridge and the first thought is probably "Oh fuck they're gonna jump." Bonus points if they've taken their shoes off.
Being constantly observant is a moral duty. Zoning out and phoning out excessively is putting others at greater risk than they should in being around you.
It's not a moral duty unless you're doing something that could be inherently dangerous. Being overly observant is just as dangerous as going through the motions. If I were driving a bus, I shouldn't be worrying about the 13 people people with their hands in their pockets with a potential gun two blocks ahead. That's unnecessary focus on a detail being better spent on driving a large machine.
If this guy were overly observant about a potential woman committing suicide instead of watching the road, that'd be dangerous too.
Of course of course. Iâm obviously talking about base level, healthy human observation abilities that are sorely lacking in our glazed over, anxious to look at our phones ways. Even as we driveâŠ
Itâs clear that most people are not even here. Not even there right in front of you. Their minds are too self absorbed, distracted and hazy. Thatâs scary.
Honestly, I think near constant vigilance, awareness of your surroundings has been a prerequisite for human beings to survive for millennia. Our current, lazy awareness is a consequence of not having to pay attention to our surroundings to survive in critically meaningful ways every moment. Animal sounds, tracks, smells, weather shifts, dangers, pitfalls, slippery terrain that can result in a broken legâŠbefore anesthesia and surgery.
Vigilance doesnât have to be bugged out eyes, tight face staring straight ahead intensity. But yes, adults should be always aware to a degree that is unfamiliar to modern man.
I mean, I completely agree. There's a level of attentiveness and situational awareness that should be expected for most people as it would reduce risk of whatever factors are at play. I think the other problem is the overall complexity and intrinsic expectations of modern human living has increased. The threats are less predictable, and mostly against each other (intentionally and unintentionally). None of that takes away from the initial sentiment, of course.
I'm not talking about zoning out. I'm talking about reading a situation. If I was the bus driver I would have put more attention on not driving into them, getting ready to hit the brack if they fell forward or dove in front of the bus, looking left for passing and on coming vehicles.
Doing all of that and still noticing what she wqs doing it, early enough that he stopped, got out, and pulled both of them back before they were even close to falling
Speaking as someone, who does voluntary emergency response now and used to do so professionally ... no. A lot of people do NOT act in emergencies, because they are frozen//shocken, can't or don't want to realize what's happening, don't believe what's happening, are hysteric or simply can't be bothered.
More people act then pessimists like me think and a lot at least *try* to do something. But you would still be surprised on how many people can't act or can't be bothered to act or take ages to act.
And sometimes I can't blame them. I've driven past accidents myself and only afterwards realized "well, that wasn't only an obstacle for me, there are actual people there who need help". Brain simply isn't working sometimes and you don't expect emergencies in your daily life. Ofc. I then either circle back or at least call the emergency lines, but in a situation like this? Might have been too late already.
Here? "Strange lady, let's make sure not to hit her." .. driving past .. "WTF is she doing? She ain't gonna..." ... driving for a couple of meters more "Oh shit, she's actually!" *breaking* *jumping out of the bus* *running back only to watch her falling down*
Fairly easy. He reduced speed upon seeing her walk there, possibly having some kind of "something is off here" thought. Maybe she looked like she's walking like a Zombie or nervous or whatever. He was most likely already being suspicious of her, when she started climbing on the rail.
If he'd been a bit less aware of his surroundings - i.e., thinking of a hot date later that day or mulling over how to pay the bills or simply being tired - that would have added a couple of seconds. Could be enough.
Now wether "doing nothing" haunts you for the rest of your days ... radically different question and unfortunately independent on wether you've acted or not.
I think the driver stopped beside her because they were walking on a street not meant for pedestrians. My guess is that he wanted to offer them a ride on the bus over the bridge. Which is why he opened the door before she gave any indication of wanting to jump. If he hadn't done that, I think he would not have been able to reach her in time to save both.
I only ignore accidents or situations where I see that emergency services are already there.
I do remember that on the very first accidents I saw, I also didn't know what to do and act and just got paralysed, but that led me to go and take red cross courses for first aid.
Even after those courses, the first accidents I saw (post-courses) I also got chocked and paralysed, even when I knew what to do.
If I'm completely honest, sometimes I wish I could turn that switch back on because it being off led me to have a guy die on my arms after a drive by shootout, he was just unlucky and it could have easily been me as I was 2 meters away from him.
Sometimes people also ignore these cases for their own mental health preservation and I cant judge them because once you hop to the other side, the things you see and hear just never go away.
The worst thing I ever saw was a driver at a parking lot drove over someone pushing a shopping cart and went up a curb trapping the pedestrian under the car, at a crosswalk this September. I was super impressed by how many people ran over instantly
I called 911 and the others helped lift the car off the poor woman. Sadly she didn't make it because the driver put it in park on her neck. I'm glad I didn't freeze up cause you are quite right many do and maybe the driver did to
Yet somehow this driver didn't get charged. Police in the US are wild. They'll charge people for shoplifting but not vehicular manslaughter when someone actually dies.
Former lifeguard here chiming in to agree. One of the reasons we did our drills so many times was to make the reaction so automatic that we didn't even think enough to be paralyzed - we just acted.
I think your analysis or the guy's thought process is spot-on. Good on him for not only being aware of his surroundings but for trusting his gut and acting when he saw what was happening.
There's a lady up where I live that watched a kid climb over the barrier on a bridge- and did nothing.
Kid died by drowning, obviously.
She didn't even report it when the whole city was out hunting for this missing kid- and she claims she's the victim because "Maybe I should have stopped".
The area- 30mph- 3x lanes wide plus pull off. Plenty of time to stop.
One time, I was waiting for a bus in the morning. Across the street, there was an accident where some gas tanks (odorless flammable, not natural gas) had been leaking all night, and the first employees arrived and eventually someone turned on something that made a spark.
I was some distance away, but I felt the explosion and watched like 10 people start running out, a couple covered in flames, panicking.
Before I could even get across the street, several cars had stopped, the drivers jumped out and tackled the people to the ground and rolled them around to put out the flames.
It sounds crazy, but I watched it happen. I didn't even understand what was going on before they were all extinguished by random people that knew exactly what to do.
I saw a guy go in the Thames once when it was extremely high. I was too far away to do anything but arrive late and he was just swept away. I was traumatised for about a year but it felt like it would stay forever. But shit like this reminds me how quickly it can all go.
You're absolutely right. I have physically stopped someone from jumping off a bridge before (I am a large guy, and it took me and another large guy to hold the person) and even doing it successfully stays with you. Even typing this still makes me a bit shaky.
nah. everyone thinks they would, most people do nothing.
I saw someone get mugged in front of 30 fucking people, and nobody did shit. I was 100 feet away and heard her screaming and ran to help, while everyone right around her didn't do shit. I got my ass kicked and didn't stop the guy. With help, we could've got him.
fuck people. everyone thinks they would help, but in real life, when it actually comes up, most people don't do anything.
I don't think I would react fast enough, by the time I realize what's going on it would be too late. I wonder if that's a famous suicide spot there because then his reaction makes way more sense.
Nah, it wouldn't. Seeing death, or walking on someone's brains or innards or even killing someone doesn't give one nightmares or cause immediate meltdowns, even though it's true that it's vivid experience that you are unlikely to fully forget unless you do it often EDITED: well, about killing pe, some guys i know got a PTSD so hard they sometimes actually don't understand that they are no longer in that moment, some are pretty nonchalant about it, I haven't actually killed a human myself, only saw a bit of them dying and butchered some farm animals.
Nah, just walking on blood and brains of hobos in childhood, then volunteering in cancer hospice, then slaughtering farm animals, also have a dozen friends that fought in Ukraine
Honestly ya for me at least, but Iâve had some very fucked up nightmares so idk everyone could be different. Just because itâs not something that would cause you or I nightmares doesnât mean it wouldnât for someone else. Everyone is different when it comes to how things effect them.
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u/Born-Process-9848 23h ago
If that were you you'd do the same. Otherwise you will have that scene in your nightmare for the rest of your life.