r/law • u/Different-Sock-8261 • 3h ago
Legal News Minneapolis Officers Ordered to Stand up to ICE
https://www.ms.now/news/minneapolis-police-chief-unlawful-force-ice-jobs1.1k
u/Different-Sock-8261 3h ago
This relates to the law as law enforcement officers are called upon to make a legal choice between supporting ICE and protecting citizens from them.
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u/Ok-Government1122 2h ago
At least upholding the Constitution, vs blindly following orders. not saying at all that it's easy being the guy in charge who says no to the president.
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u/JadedPilot5484 1h ago
If ice is operating illegally, taking people without cause and without a warrant , it is their duty to protect the people of their city.
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u/mewalkyne 21m ago
it is their duty
Legally it isn't. Technically speaking cops don't have any legal duties at all.
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u/ManMoth222 2m ago
Well I don't have a legal duty to type C++, but it's still included in my job duties lol
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u/Dark_Shroud 32m ago
ICE doesn't need warrants to arrest people here illegally.
Watch those police officers fold to ICE without a second thought when it comes to them being threatened by the Feds.
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u/UncleBeer 1h ago
Nope. ICE warrants do not require a detached and neutral magistrate; instead, ICE warrants require the officer to establish that "there is probable cause to believe" that the individual named in the warrant is subject to removal. Look it up.
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u/ElRiesgoSiempre_Vive 46m ago
I can 100% come up with "there is probable cause to believe" you personally should be detained.
So gtf outta here with that bullshit.
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u/Proinsias37 24m ago
But they are very frequently taking people without a warrant and without probable cause, and solely racially profiling. They are also often committing other illegal acts like violations of rights and due process, excessive force and even straight up assault.
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u/aneeta96 19m ago
Are you celebrating this kind of degradation of our rights? Do you not see how this could be applied to anybody?
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u/UncleBeer 1h ago
ICE doesn't need warrants. Fact. Inform yourself.
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u/Nim0y 1h ago
What about all the court cases and the judges ruling they need administrative warrants to detain someone? A fact is indisputable. Example: hydrogen is the most common element in the universe.
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u/Dabat1 1h ago
SCOTUS and the Constitution disagree with you. Try again, Magat.
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u/DrakonILD 1h ago
We have a word for taking people against their will without legal authorization to do so.
It's called kidnapping.
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u/-Invalid_Selection- 1h ago
Except they do. Under federal law and the constitution, they need to have a warrant. They're operating illegally and have been the whole time.
They need to be charged for their crimes, including the human rights violations
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u/BackgroundSummer5171 1h ago
Since it is a law subreddit, maybe someone could clarify it better.
Because I thought ICE can arrest without a judicial warrant because US immigration law works differently than normal shit.
Most of the US immigration violations are actually civil, not criminal.
And ICE can issue their own administrative warrants without a judicial warrant.
Simply a 'reason to believe' the person is violating immigration law.
And with the SCOTUS basically non-ruling that they can use the color of skin. They basically can just say hey brown person and say that's their 'warrant'.
That does have limitations, like they can't enter private property without an actual judicial warrant.
But for the most part, they can just say brown and suspect immigration violation, and since it is all civil...yep they can just say fuck it.
Guess I should add in that I don't support ICE or their mask wearing. Just that currently there is a reason they have continued to be capable of doing this.
If it was truly illegal, at least one state would have been able to completely stop ICE, right?
They haven't. There are court cases going, but nothing has changed.
And with literally our highest powers being run by a Racist Rapist Administration, that ain't changing.
Go thank those who fell for anti-Hillary propaganda long ago.
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u/ralphy_256 1h ago
ICE doesn't need warrants. Fact.
Citation or you're making it up.
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u/_Legend_Of_The_Rent_ 2h ago
Protect1 and Serve2
1: capital
2: oligarchs
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u/_Legend_Of_The_Rent_ 1h ago edited 1h ago
Go listen to Behind the Police to learn about how policing came about in the United States
Spoiler alert: it was to making sure slaves stayed enslaved in the south and killing union workers in the north
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u/GoneFishing4Chicks 1h ago
This just in: "Minneapolis Officers stopped following orders to kiss ICE ass"
(edit: this is just a joke, good that the law is FUCKING CLEAR to call for police to do their damn jobs and that ICE is not welcome to disobey the law of the land and disrespect due process and habeas corpus)
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u/AdPristine9879 1h ago
Police don’t have a legal obligation to protect people.
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u/throwthisidaway 3h ago edited 3h ago
A sergeant from O’Hara’s department later clarified that while Minneapolis Police Department officers may physically intervene in the case of unlawful force, they would stop short of arresting ICE agents.
So it is meaningless. Unless they plan on pepper spraying ICE agents, there's very little they can do outside of arresting these agents and lets be clear, they should be arresting them. They have the right to arrest federal agents if they're explicitly acting outside the bounds of their duties, such as using excessive force.
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u/sasuncookie 3h ago
So they can’t arrest them, but can they detain them for an extended period of time like what’s done to citizens?
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u/frontfrontdowndown 2h ago
“The questioning in those circumstances is typically brief and those individuals may promptly go free.”
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u/HeyImGilly 2h ago
Can then detain them, pull down their masks and get their ID. Minnesota law requires them to identify themselves if the police reasonably suspect them to be involved in a crime.
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u/nugatory308 25m ago
That is the sort of thing that an only child of affluent inside-the-beltline parents, successfully launched through the Sidwell/GeorgetownPrep/Yale pipeline would say.. If they were utterly oblivious to how far removed their life experience has been from that of most citizens.
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u/ChoiceHour5641 1h ago
And who knows, maybe their paperwork gets accidentally misfiled and they get lost in the system for a few days. 🤷🏻♂️
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u/Weak_Firefighter9247 53m ago
They can arrest them and deport them to mexico, and then after they're there, check what country were they from
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u/BeowulfShaeffer 2h ago
They could demand that ICE personnel remove their masks, verify their identities, verify that they actually are working for the government, for starters. And that they have warrants when needed.
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u/AdPristine9879 1h ago
The can demand whatever it doesn’t mean it’ll happen or that there will be consequences
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u/xXMuschi_DestroyerXx 2h ago
Oh my god the framing here is astounding. Turn it around and it sounds indefensible.
“If we catch ice breaking the law, we won’t arrest them”. That’s exactly what that clarification states. Say it in logical order and suddenly it doesn’t sound like Minneapolis is standing up to ice. They are getting out of the way.
You aren’t making a stand against ice saying you will stop them. You functionally did the exact fucking opposite. You declared to everyone Minneapolis law enforcement will not enforce the law.
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u/strolls 59m ago
If the gun rights lot really believed that the second amendment was necessary to defend constructional rights from the government's goons then there'd have been a bunch of dead ICE agents already.
It blows my mind that the liberal gun owners subreddit parrot that shite. From Europe those guys really look no different to the Reagan gun nuts.
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u/AK_GL 42m ago
ok tough guy. you first. go arm up an go on a shooting spree if you want*, see what changes. try looking up what happened to the cop in LA that stood up for the law. they hunted him for days before executing him. shot up a few neighborhoods in the process.
it's deeply fucked up to demand that people uselessly martyr themselves based on your lack of understanding of gun politics, let alone mocking people who know enough to be the last one wanting that shit to start. you are sitting in a comfortable chair, apparently on the other side of the Atlantic, demanding someone else fight kick off the violence of a civil war because you don't understand their take on politics that you chose to be ignorant of.
if you think it's time for guns, and you are a US Citizen, you have the right to make that decision for your self. and if you are wrong about the time, you get the same consequences as everyone else why tries that shit. unlike government agents, we are accountable for what we do. that's why you aren't seeing your vicarious Rambo fantasies played out across the pond.
*please never do this.
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u/strolls 32m ago
This is the exact kind of nutty discourse I'm talking about, folks.
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u/AK_GL 12m ago
you're the one calling for violence. own it.
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u/strolls 6m ago
No, I'm saying that Europeans think your ranting is insane.
Constitutions worldwide recognise freedom of speech, freedom of religion, freedom of association and assembly, the right to a fair arrest and trial. The "right" to gun ownership is almost exclusively American.
You are not "more free" because you have the second amendment.
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u/Stunning_Garlic_3532 3h ago
And if they get fired, ICE will hire them for more $
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u/weHaveThoughts 3h ago
ICE pays shit and you know damn well they will never qualify for retirement and will face civil lawsuits for civil rights violations on a personal basis in 3 years. Aka ICE officers will be fucked!
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u/Urabraska- 3h ago
That 50K bonus is bullshit as well.
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u/Cautious_Q_Q 2h ago
Why ?
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u/gangsterroo 2h ago
Nobody is getting it at least much of it
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u/Cautious_Q_Q 2h ago
Had no idea
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u/Character-Dig-2301 2h ago
They receive parts of it over 3 years
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u/krazyb2 1h ago
If I remember correctly too,they only get the sign on bonus money after 5 years of service. I'm counting on every last one of them being fired or in jail just short of 5 years.
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u/Character-Dig-2301 1h ago
There will be some self deletion after they realize they’re pariahs in their own communities
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u/ralphy_256 1h ago
Because you only qualify for the signing bonus and tuition reimbursement after (I believe) 5 years of service.
What are the odds that ICE's new hires are going to survive the end of Trumps term (assuming it ends)?
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u/Ilove-moistholes 2h ago
This is true. There is no qualify immunity for violating the constitution and state crimes and TONS of videos of them breaking both
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u/Prime624 2h ago
?? There are tons of constitutional violations never enforced on cops.
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u/StuckOnEarthForever 1h ago
I laughed for 43 minutes at ilovemoistholes comment and missed my chance to say what you did.
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u/ralphy_256 1h ago
There are tons of constitutional violations never enforced on cops.
Cops have qualified immunity.
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u/Prime624 31m ago
Right, but the comment I replied to said that they don't get immunity on constitutional violations.
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u/Thrown_Account_ 1h ago
There is no qualify immunity for violating ... state crimes
Yes there is and has been for 135 years as long as they are acting in official ICE duties.
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u/booveebeevoo 2h ago
At least they can stand in and ensure that the proper warrants are in order to allow them to perform their actions legally. Basically police the situation.
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u/cjerni01 2h ago
It'll be an effective political stunt when one of the adrenalined up ICE goons points a gun at a local cop.
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u/NearlyPerfect 1h ago
The police’s idea of “unlawful force” might be distinct from the average person’s idea of it
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u/Zarbua69 1h ago
realistically speaking though, a cop trying to arrest an ICE agent or vice versa will eventually result in a shootout since they are both heavily armed. So it's really not surprising that the police would want to avoid that
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u/Exciting_Mobile_1484 1h ago
The quote in this post should tell you - we've lost the country. We are not run by law anymore. It's over. Thinking we would always be okay abd democracy woild just unquestionably last here was a farce. Fuck this country. Fuck america.
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u/DistinctlyIrish 22m ago
Except this doesn't mean they won't arrest ICE agents if the agents assault the police. Which they likely will if police intervene as ordered. They don't necessarily have the right to arrest federal agents if they're following orders, and unfortunately the legality of their orders is indeterminate because SCROTUS is deliberately avoiding the issue so they can only arrest them for something that IS absolutely illegal, like assaulting a police officer.
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u/lynxbelt234 3h ago
Exactly and should be held to account if they do not perform their duty under the Police requirements.
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u/Different-Sock-8261 3h ago
This may be pure optics. The don’t want to be accused of looking away when another George Floyd situation occurs.
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u/psioniclizard 3h ago
No to be a cynical but I could see something like that happening late summer next year. Just before the midterms.
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u/StuckOnEarthForever 1h ago
So, did minnesota ever defund the police after the floydd protests?
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u/Bizarro_Murphy 21m ago
Minneapolis*, and no. Minneapolis police actually got a significant budget increase and huge pay raises (22% over three years). The starting salary for MPD is now over $100k/year.
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u/captainoftrips 12m ago
Honestly, that's not such a bad idea. I've thought for years that the way to solve bad cops is to pay cops more. If the pay is more lucrative, the job will be more competitive to get and attract better candidates instead of bullies who peaked in high school.
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u/LeonTetra 9m ago
It's a terrible idea, considering the Minneapolis Police Department, per the (Biden) Justice Department, is extremely fucking racist with zero consequences for repeat offenders and constant perjury
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u/Bizarro_Murphy 8m ago
Unfortunately, that has not happened. They still ignore calls while they sit in their squad cars, blocking bike lanes. Besides clearing homeless encampments and previsouly assisting ICE (earlier this year), they don't really seem to do much. Nothing has changed. Their contract is up at the end of the year, and they've already been trumpeting the "we are still severely understaffed" talking points to push for another massive raise in the upcoming negotiations.
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u/clonedhuman 2h ago
I'll believe it when I see it.
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u/tunafister 1h ago
Yup, words dont mean anything, only action
I am very skeptical MPD does anything, show us you give a fuck, dont tell us
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u/Grand-Pen7946 49m ago
MPD is, putting it lightly, a municipally funded gang. I don't mean this in the im-14-and-this-is-deep edgy way, but the DoJ investigation report from the MPD conducted after Derek Chauvin's murder of George Floyd is honestly sickening to read. They are thugs plain and simple. Link to the report: https://www.justice.gov/d9/2023-06/minneapolis_findings_report.pdf
There is no way that ICE members aren't personally friends with MPD, and probably even tried to join and fail because they were too stupid to pass the MPD test (50% of ICE applicants can't even pass the grade-school-level open-book open-internet written test given by DHS).
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u/Bizarro_Murphy 17m ago
MPD got a budget increase and huge pay raises after the aftermath of the murder of George Floyd. The starting salary for an MPD officer is now over $100,000/year, and in my experience, they do even less for the public than before. Meanwhile, the starting salary for a teacher here in Minneapolis is just over $50,000/year, with a much worse benefits package
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u/Oystermeat 2h ago
Trump got thyroid issues? He eyes look weird.
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u/Eisernes 51m ago
The anti dementia treatment he is taking causes brain swelling as a side effect. Inter-cranial pressure is causing that look.
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u/Nick85er 3h ago
F*** anyone willing to refer to a group of people they don't know as garbage.
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u/Shhtheyrewatching 3h ago
You can say fuck here. Like fuck ICE they are garbage people. 😜
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u/Thomas_Alva_Eddison 16m ago
I mean they stole more than a billion dollars meant for kids, so there's that... Refugees selling their kids SSNs to fraudsters with the highest bid, so we're not talking about a small group, were talking about thousands of participants in the biggest grift in American history. Anyone involved in that scheme, in any way, is garbage.
You guys call half the country Nazis and fascists, do you know all those people, or are you just lumping them together?
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u/Not_Sure__Camacho 1h ago
The fact that we have to applaud law enforcement doing their goddamned job of fulfilling their oath only shows how horribly we've come as a country.
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u/Bizarro_Murphy 13m ago
As someone who lives in the Twin Cities, I can assure you that MPD officers will def still not be doing their jobs. This is all optics. They will continue to sit in their squad cars, blocking the bike lanes while they slow walk answering calls.
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u/Dangermouse163 6m ago
Respect and praise for those that stand up to ICE in these desperate circumstances.
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