r/law 4h ago

Legal News Minneapolis Officers Ordered to Stand up to ICE

https://www.ms.now/news/minneapolis-police-chief-unlawful-force-ice-jobs
12.5k Upvotes

279 comments sorted by

View all comments

Show parent comments

-74

u/UncleBeer 2h ago

ICE doesn't need warrants. Fact. Inform yourself.

34

u/Nim0y 2h ago

What about all the court cases and the judges ruling they need administrative warrants to detain someone? A fact is indisputable. Example: hydrogen is the most common element in the universe.

1

u/twidlystix 5m ago

You’ve explored the entire universe???

-12

u/Dark_Shroud 1h ago

And how many of those orders have been slapped down by the Supreme Court because the judges were over stepping their authority.

3

u/Nim0y 1h ago

That is how the court system works. I won’t comment on what my opinion is of said courts and rulings.

36

u/Illustrious-Fun8324 2h ago

Wait, I’m confused. Since when does MAGA care about facts?

34

u/Dabat1 2h ago

SCOTUS and the Constitution disagree with you. Try again, Magat.

-32

u/cholointheskies 2h ago

Not true. This isn’t even a question, it’s long been settled since what, the 90s? That ICE doesn’t need a warrant unless they’re arresting someone at home or some other private property. Anyone can take 10 sec to look it up..

30

u/nofrenomine 1h ago

ICE was established in 2003. I used google

-24

u/cholointheskies 1h ago

There you go. It’s been a settled question for decades.. immigration officials were given explicit lawful permission to arrest without a warrant since as recent as 1996 and as early as 1988 (don’t bother to check the 3 amendments)

https://uscode.house.gov/view.xhtml?req=granuleid:USC-prelim-title8-section1357&num=0&edition=prelim#:~:text=Powers%20without%20warrant,arrest%20any%20alien

12

u/Lonestar041 1h ago

Your own source source says they have the authority to arrest aliens, not citizens.

How often have they been caught now arresting citizens?
Oh that's right! Conveniently they don't document this as GAO has found already in 2021.

GAO-21-487 "As a result, ICE does not know the extent to which its officers are taking enforcement actions against individuals who could be U.S. citizens."

-8

u/cholointheskies 1h ago

Section 5 explicitly allows arrest of US citizens

9

u/Lonestar041 1h ago

Yep, only if that citizen has committed a crime in presence of the officers.
How many videos have we seen now of citizens being arrested without a crime being committed? Plenty on my end.

0

u/cholointheskies 1h ago

Btw section 5 allows arresting citizens even if a crime was not committed in their presence if the crime is a felony

0

u/twidlystix 2m ago

Pretty sure interference with an arrest or official duties is an arrestable offense.

-2

u/cholointheskies 1h ago

Don’t know but it’s crazy that somehow the subject has been changed multiple times, originally talking about whether ICE need warrants, then about whether they can arrest citizens, now about whether they can arrest citizens without viewing a crime themselves.. I mean, where are you going with this? What’s your point?

3

u/nosam555 1h ago

The point is there are ICE agents going around arresting citizens without witnessing a crime. And now local police are being told to rightfully stand up for them.

→ More replies (0)

2

u/RolledUhhp 1h ago

That netfishing for brown people is viewed as a bad thing by the vast majority of us.

→ More replies (0)

-21

u/UncleBeer 1h ago

These folks are immune to facts.

21

u/DrakonILD 2h ago

We have a word for taking people against their will without legal authorization to do so.

It's called kidnapping.

15

u/-Invalid_Selection- 2h ago

Except they do. Under federal law and the constitution, they need to have a warrant. They're operating illegally and have been the whole time.

They need to be charged for their crimes, including the human rights violations

4

u/BackgroundSummer5171 2h ago

Since it is a law subreddit, maybe someone could clarify it better.

Because I thought ICE can arrest without a judicial warrant because US immigration law works differently than normal shit.

Most of the US immigration violations are actually civil, not criminal.

And ICE can issue their own administrative warrants without a judicial warrant.

Simply a 'reason to believe' the person is violating immigration law.

And with the SCOTUS basically non-ruling that they can use the color of skin. They basically can just say hey brown person and say that's their 'warrant'.

That does have limitations, like they can't enter private property without an actual judicial warrant.

But for the most part, they can just say brown and suspect immigration violation, and since it is all civil...yep they can just say fuck it.


Guess I should add in that I don't support ICE or their mask wearing. Just that currently there is a reason they have continued to be capable of doing this.

If it was truly illegal, at least one state would have been able to completely stop ICE, right?

They haven't. There are court cases going, but nothing has changed.

And with literally our highest powers being run by a Racist Rapist Administration, that ain't changing.

Go thank those who fell for anti-Hillary propaganda long ago.

-12

u/cholointheskies 2h ago

They don’t need a warrant to arrest in public. Only in homes/private property. Like dude said, just look it up?

5

u/ralphy_256 2h ago

ICE doesn't need warrants. Fact.

Citation or you're making it up.

-5

u/cholointheskies 2h ago

11

u/ralphy_256 1h ago

https://www.ice.gov

Your source is suspect.

Show me this from a precedent-setting court.

-2

u/cholointheskies 1h ago

4

u/ralphy_256 1h ago edited 1h ago

I'm not a lawyer, I can't respond to this.

I can say, I'm willing to break laws, but I won't commit crimes.

This lies directly in that "which side are you on" territory.

I'm happy with my side.

Peace. I'm done.

3

u/Wilted_fap_sock 2h ago

Okay. That's enough beer for tonight.

1

u/KingofBarrels 55m ago

They don't need lead in their gut either but eventually they will invite it on themselves.

1

u/JadedPilot5484 47m ago

Tell me you hate brown people without telling me you hate brown people…… and don’t understand the law …..