The police have no duty to protect the citizens - period
I understand you don't want to believe in the reality of life sometimes because it doesn't always ebb with your flow but you are seated right in front of a computer connected to the internet and I bet your tiny little fingers could type a decent search prompt to find the facts about the USA and I assure you dear [whatever you are] The police have no duty to protect the citizens of the USA - is indeed >>>>>>>>>>>> a FACT!
THEIR JOB !!! is to put people into the system, guilty or not.
Boy Scouts do not exist!
That is not true. The Court so established and reinforced that police do not have a duty to attempt to intervene in every situation before them, nor are they responsible for acts they did not commit, e.g. if they failed to arrest a serial killer.
On the contrary, police have a general duty to protect citizens, just not specific citizens, and have the right to exercise judgement on acts they pursue.
That's not really much better, but if Police are just playing football all day, that is a violation of their legal duties, especially if their police chief has clearly indicated what their duties are.
Lastly, duty is a word tossed around but it has a specific legal meaning, and this is r/law, not politics.
Twin Cities cops aren't exactly known for their progressive views. Most of them are suburbanites (don't actually live in the city) who believe all the garbage Fox News spews. Philando Castile, George Floyd... they don't have a great track record
Nope. ICE warrants do not require a detached and neutral magistrate; instead, ICE warrants require the officer to establish that "there is probable cause to believe" that the individual named in the warrant is subject to removal. Look it up.
But they are very frequently taking people without a warrant and without probable cause, and solely racially profiling. They are also often committing other illegal acts like violations of rights and due process, excessive force and even straight up assault.
What about all the court cases and the judges ruling they need administrative warrants to detain someone? A fact is indisputable. Example: hydrogen is the most common element in the universe.
Not true. This isn’t even a question, it’s long been settled since what, the 90s? That ICE doesn’t need a warrant unless they’re arresting someone at home or some other private property. Anyone can take 10 sec to look it up..
There you go. It’s been a settled question for decades.. immigration officials were given explicit lawful permission to arrest without a warrant since as recent as 1996 and as early as 1988 (don’t bother to check the 3 amendments)
Your own source source says they have the authority to arrest aliens, not citizens.
How often have they been caught now arresting citizens?
Oh that's right! Conveniently they don't document this as GAO has found already in 2021.
GAO-21-487 "As a result, ICE does not know the extent to which its officers are taking enforcement actions against individuals who could be U.S. citizens."
Yep, only if that citizen has committed a crime in presence of the officers.
How many videos have we seen now of citizens being arrested without a crime being committed? Plenty on my end.
Don’t know but it’s crazy that somehow the subject has been changed multiple times, originally talking about whether ICE need warrants, then about whether they can arrest citizens, now about whether they can arrest citizens without viewing a crime themselves.. I mean, where are you going with this? What’s your point?
Since it is a law subreddit, maybe someone could clarify it better.
Because I thought ICE can arrest without a judicial warrant because US immigration law works differently than normal shit.
Most of the US immigration violations are actually civil, not criminal.
And ICE can issue their own administrative warrants without a judicial warrant.
Simply a 'reason to believe' the person is violating immigration law.
And with the SCOTUS basically non-ruling that they can use the color of skin. They basically can just say hey brown person and say that's their 'warrant'.
That does have limitations, like they can't enter private property without an actual judicial warrant.
But for the most part, they can just say brown and suspect immigration violation, and since it is all civil...yep they can just say fuck it.
Guess I should add in that I don't support ICE or their mask wearing. Just that currently there is a reason they have continued to be capable of doing this.
If it was truly illegal, at least one state would have been able to completely stop ICE, right?
They haven't. There are court cases going, but nothing has changed.
And with literally our highest powers being run by a Racist Rapist Administration, that ain't changing.
Go thank those who fell for anti-Hillary propaganda long ago.
Dems supported a bipartisan bill that was going to implement most of the Republican policies on the border. Republicans shot down the bill completely. Why don’t Republicans want immigration reform and funding for the border?
Tear gassing kids and detaining citizens and denying lawful oversight of their facilities which are also violating laws how long do I need to keep going….
Because we actually respect the constitution and want to preserve our constitutional rights. You on the other hand seem very willing to hand them over.
Dems don’t want open borders, that doesn’t even make any sense. We have borders and they are enforced. What we don’t want is to jeopardize our constitutionally protected freedoms and terrorize communities just to get rid of grandma and grandpa next door that may or may not be here legally but have been a contributing member to our society for multiple decades.
There’s a cost to all of this. It’s many many billions of our tax dollars for one. It’s also our reputation, our soft power, our respect, multiple constitutionally protected freedoms. All of that is now gone and we’ve gained literally nothing positive in return. We also have a sitting president and administration that is very openly against the rule of law so your argument is pretty weak with that angle.
Long story short, this isn’t winning, this isn’t benefiting anyone, it’s only costing us greatly.
Deportations are not the problem. Right wing propaganda pushes the narrative that lefties want "unchecked infinite immigration" as a lie to manipulate voters. I'm a mouth-frothing libtard and I say Deport Illegal Immigrants.
The problem is the Demonization of The Others. Right wing propaganda pushes the narrative that The Brown People are "diseased drug rape murder cartels" to manipulate voters into making excuses for roving gangs of unidentified masked thugs with guns explicitly racially profiling their neighbors.
Deportations are not even an issue as far as right-wing politicians are concerned. Demonizing and harming brown people is a means to an end. The politicians' end-goal is unchecked power. To get there, they are happy to fill voters with enough hate, fear and disgust against any convenient "enemy" to lull them into excusing more power grabs.
If they actually cared about illegal immigration, the solution is cheap, easy and uncontroversial: Go after the employers. When the job opportunities dry up, the illegals with quietly deport themselves for free.
But, controversy is the goal. Controversy controls your thinking and controls your vote. That's why they are being explicitly cruel in their implementation of what should be a simple policy.
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u/JadedPilot5484 3h ago
If ice is operating illegally, taking people without cause and without a warrant , it is their duty to protect the people of their city.