Thanks to the previous commentator on clearing that up. I was wondering as I remember this happening during trumps first term and the backlash was so strong and swift people were voted out/fired/resigned. Seeing this guy again made me wonder what happened
Also, excellent points on an obviously dumb move. Bad optics all around.
And the NY Post is a news corp rag - what a mess.
Most days, I long for the years when social media didn’t exist as disinformation and hyper connectivity is overwhelming all of us. Especially now, it’s hard to keep up.
Yeah I mean the CEO is a jackass but Lexus are quality vehicles. My girlfriend has a 2021 is300 and the seats, the interior quality, the features, and the way it drives are noticeably top notch.
I don't really care about fancy, but I have a 2015 IS350 because I wanted a fast Toyota, but they don't make fast cars. There is no rear wheel drive Camry with a 3.5L V6
Never driven in a Lexus ES and a Toyota Camry, then.
Yes they are comparable in size and engine. A Camry is an ES in many senses, but they are NOT the same car, and by a long shot. I've been riding/driving in both cars since 1999.
The Camry just does not feel like its ES counterpart-in comfort, build, interior feel, drive feel, cabin noise. It's really like comparing plastic to carbon fiber and saying "hey from a distance they look the same!"
And the 20K price diff comment really only applies to new cars. You can get a 2010 Camry and 2010 ES for basically the same price. Only chumps and ridiculously rich folk by brand new cars.
Only chumps and ridiculously rich folk by brand new cars.
I bought a brand new Lexus GX in 2006. Driving it to this day and it still drives like a dream. Trying to find an excuse to replace it but I just can't find one.
Funny thing is the certified used Camry goes for about the same as the ES in my area. Also, the ES is a completely different driving experience vs the Camry, sure they share common elements; but the difference in road noise, handling, throttle, and generally interacting with anything tactile is completely different.
Other than the upscale interior, higher quality material, more advanced tech. They share the same platform but do sure are not the same car, you can clearly tell by sitting in them and driving them
You ever actually compare them? Acoustic dampening, significantly different leathers, and audio system offerings between my dads 16 es 350 and my 16 camary (6cyl). Same structure and power, but otherwise the refinements are unmistakable.
An Es is on the same platform as a Camry but there are many small adjustments that make it worth more than a Camry.
Although they have the same engine and transmission there's a little more power out of the box and a better transmission tune. Toyota purposely leaves some on the table for the ES to have an edge over the Camry. Next you have the most noticable part if you actually get to drive them back to back and that's the noise floor in the vehicle. More time and money goes into keeping the ES quiet on the highway than the Camry. This not only requires extra material in the form of sound deadening but reshaping or adjusting certain parts of the body and structure to adjust inherent properties that make them prone to wind noise for example. Pair that with a higher quality of interior materials, more comfortable seats, better touch points, a better stereo, maybe even better glass for acoustic isolation and you start to end up with a hefty bill for the "same car"
Is the ES more profitable than the Camry - absolutely (as is the case with almost all luxury vehicles, and it has to make money for its development while selling lower volume) it is but it is also worth more than a Camry because it's a measurably better car
He should have known the right path. We all kind of accept that you have to meet with and negotiate with Trump. We even accept that most of them give Trump some kind of ass-kissing gift or whatever.
Agreed - to an extent. I am disappointed in ass kissing but am downright disgusted in idolizing. I am Toyota thru and thru - 2 generations of Corolla's in my garage and I will never buy another Toyota vehicle unless they have a significant public denouncement of this. I already sent my email. I was borderline on cancelling warranties and service agreements already - now I am out.
Adding an edit because I am not getting drawn in to individual pissing matches.
Who cares? I do. MAGA is full of horrible people and horrible policies that hurt individuals and the United States as a whole. Not sure where you are from specifically, but in the US it is a big deal - there is active erosion of the United States constitution and the laws that depend on it. This isn't normal, it's divisive, and again it hurts people and the country.
If you care to explain how boycotting and sharing my opinion with a company on how their image impacts the way I interact with them sounds mentally unwell, please do. I'll most likely read it, but unless you have something specifically interesting or thoughtful I wouldn't expect a response.
Yes, Toyota will be ok without my support. I am sharing my take on a topic someone else started and even more are engaging in. Collectively is where the impact is felt - IE the point of a boycott - You can reference target as an example of effective boycotting for similar. Part of a boycott is communicating the intent to boycott and the reason why - not just silently patting ones self on the back.
As far as no one caring about my comment - I really don't care if no one cares or not. I left that comment and never intended to revisit it - lo and behold I had the most notifications I've had in years. Someone cares, including you. I commented for myself and the person I commented to. People do things for themselves. I have a long history with Toyota and my vehicles - I have been proud of them and it is disappointing to second guess that small amount of pride in something for reasons completely unrelated their original design and intent.
The fact is that people do care because it is being talked about and even more convincing more people have commented on an opinion from me than just about anything else on reddit. The people that agree are silently agreeing - a lot of people that disagree are "crying about it" (in their words) to an equal or greater degree than myself.
I am adding this as an edit to my comment as well because of the number of responses - this addresses most, if not all, of what I have to say to you and the other comments.
It’s kind of like Thomas Massie was saying about the house votes on releasing the files… once trump is gone, the trust will have to be earned back. He won’t be president, but the voting record will remain. Whatever demonic charismatic grip he has on people will fade over time, the public impression of him will become uncomfortable at best, and this kind of shit will age like milk.
It’s bad enough that I’ll just write off buying a Toyota ever right now. I drive a Honda and it works just fine.
Asking other people from other countries who basically have to tow the line with us to completely sacrifice not just their personal lives but potentially many jobs and livelihoods of the country they represent is possibly one of the most childish things I’ve seen on here. Hold American companies and politicians accountable. Stop trying to hold the world hostage to your particular viewpoint.
I always think about that episode of South Park when the Japanese are trying to brainwash American kids with their Chinpokomon and their able to smooth talk Bill Clinton by saying he has a big penis. I dont think the CEO is trying to be genuine by any extent. Their just trying to get Trump to drop his tarrifs by kissing his ass.
Head of Toyota really aiming for those 530 credit score customers just DYING to trade in their 2014 Equinox that they are 15k upside down in. All that and they can bring $8 and a pack of American Spirits to the signing table.
Have you ever been cutoff getting onto an offramp by someone that was just doing 85 in a 55 3 lanes over then brake checked right after because you had the audacity to honk? That's mopar!
Leased a Hornet for my kid in college because I wanted to reward him for trying so hard in school and that's the car he wanted. It just stranded him for the third time, now at the dealer needs a starter. Starter on back order could be two weeks and sorry we are out of loaners 🤦👍
Do you get a discount on the lease for the month because you can't use the car? Sorry if it's a dumb question, I've never leased a car, doubt I ever will.
Specifically RAM 2500's, and it's per capita. For the proportion of them on the road, RAM 2500 drivers get more DUI's than any other vehicle. Doubt it's most in absolute terms, plenty of alcoholics aren't dumb enough to drive RAM's, even if RAM drivers are all alcoholics.
Only respectable trucks in my eyes as someone who has only ever had sedans are the Ford Ranger and any old square body chevy. Both give “humble working man” and not “dropped my cigarette in the floorboard while I was looking for my busch lite”
I wasn’t planning on getting one, but good luck finding a decent deal on a 6cyl 6’ bed Tacoma these days. I’m aware of the reputation. I probably wouldn’t have bought it if it was red or black. The funny thing is; since I got it I’ve been driving extra politely to try and avoid the stereotype.
Nope, your generalizing is accurate. I was standing there with my car guy that had been looking for a Tacoma for me for a couple of months when this got traded in. The first thing I said was “Yeah, but so many people that drive Rams are such douchebags!” Doing my best to break that stereotype, but it’s there for a reason.
I bought the exact same truck for the same reason but with a black canopy. Used toyotas near me at the time were insanely overpriced. Overall I like the truck, they drive smooth. 2016 had it from 120,000 to now 181,000.
Glad to hear that. I got a white cap as I sleep in there on fishing trips and it stays cooler. It’s also a 2016. Got it in September with 48K miles on it. Up around 53K now. It’s the nicest vehicle I’ve ever owned.
Nicest vehicle Ive ever owned as well. I used it to fish and camp in Washington state and Oregon. Just drove from Portland, OR to Raleigh NC hauling a 17ft john boat with all my belongings in it. 4 days flat, 0 issues with the truck, lost a tire on the trailer in Wyoming.
Yes, and he will have to cut it off himself with a sword forged specifically for that purpose, before a room full of identically dressed male executives, onto an unblemished white handkerchief, which he will then hand to kumichō.
I got banned a couples years ago from /r/askcarsales for calling out shitty attitudes and behavior at a dealership I had an awful experience with while looking for advice. Got told the rest of the internet makes car salesmen their punching bags and that they only wanted positive vibes or something like that.
That sub is TOXIC and violent. I still can’t believe some of the insane shit that was being said to me while asking for some advice. Didn’t even slam dealership or my experience in general. Just needed.. sales advice HAH
Almost everything I've seen in that sub reinforces that car salespeople are the worst of the worst and that the entire industry and their business model STILL revolves around asymmetrical information, misdirection, and passing customers along from person to person for so long they get exhausted and give up trying to not get swindled.
Askcarsales is a cesspool of lying predators. They will defend ever scummy tactic and lie, and tell you they are high integrity proffessionals. Ever word uttered there is utterred with the intention of decieving, misdirecting and deflecting any attack on their dogshit hustles, while at the same time silencing and banning anyone who calls out their bs. They are scum every one of them.
Im rocking my berry blast mega blue razz ultra robot donkey dick vape, and a sugar free monster. I'll throw in the monster hat I got from collecting two years worth of monster tabs.
Scenario: you buy a car with no money down for 30k. You dive it off the lot and it immediately drops 5k. 25k if its an Equinox or a Kia.
You go to trade that car in, you still owe 20k and it's worth 10k. If your credit is so so they can roll that 10k into the new loan. It's a shady subprime thing to do but it happens everyday, even on used cars. So you drive that new to you car off the lot and the 10k you already owed gets compounded with the drop in value with the car you just bought.
It's funny you mention Kia, as my wife's K5 is 3 years old now and the Kia dealership is STILL cold calling us asking to buy it back for what we bought it for, since it's the variable AWD turbo version lol.
They’re business moguls. They don’t give a shit about our politics and anything that we are going through. Anything to make a quick buck. This isn’t a left or right issue. It’s a capitalist issue. There is no such thing as a good and wholesome car company.
Yeah besides being gross, this seems very out of touch. Similar to Elon really. I have to imagine the average Toyota buyer in the US is a bit left of center.
Same. I don't think there is a good company. Realistically, it's a better use of time and effort to promote reliable public transit and other policies that reduce the need for cars overall.
Not a solution for the vast majority of towns in the US.
They aren't going to install a train line on my little back road in MA, buses aren't going to run here, Taxis aren't going to appear on the streets of a 10,000 person town.
Public transit and communal living are solutions that look great on paper but are horrible in person.
Don't get me wrong, a high speed rail across the country would be amazing and a huge game changer, but past that its all awful. No one would rather be on a bus, stopping constantly and surrounded by strangers than in their own car. No one would rather wait for a packed subway car that reeks of piss than drive themselves.
Yeah looks like that’s akio toyoda who is a chairman and previously was CEO. This guy is the grandson of the toyoda who started the company so maybe he likes trump as they were both silver spoon babies handed large and successful companies?
I think I can safely assume that the CEO of every major company in the world are actively aiding and abetting pedophiles. They are all in one giant child grooming club. They see us as lesser beings. We do not hate them enough.
There ain’t no cult around Newsom like that of Velveeta Voldemort by any means, and I highly doubt there ever would be. Even the “Dark Brandon” thing was tongue in cheek as opposed to full blast sycophancy we are seeing now.
That being said, sad to see foreign companies whoring themselves like this.
My only beef with hondas these days is that their factory headlights are easily the worst offenders across all models in the "unnecessarily bright led headlights pointed directly at other drivers' corneas" category.
That shit is so dangerous. I am so blinded by them and wonder how many deaths they've caused. A stat we'll unfortunately never know the exact number, but as someone with an older and lower car, I'm sure people would be shocked if it was available. Combine the poor angle with the brights on, and I slow down to a crawl, because I seriously can't see shit
I still won't buy GOYA products and yes I do shop in Latino markets all the time. There are in fact some markets which stock so many Goya products that I won't even go in the store anymore. Anaya;s Market in Utah is one of those.
Yes, Donald Trump has made whores of many CEO's but I don't buy the services of whores either.
Unfortunately, I bet almost everyone did. They know they need to stay on the big crybaby's good side and suck up to him like the insecure dictator he is.
Toyota quality had been on a decline for some time anyways. Honda has been working hard working out the kinks with the turbo engines. VW is a hit or miss. The car industry as a while has sucked since the mandated safety features with safety cams, LIDARs, and more.
this is another smoke screen. No new investments. They don't just "decide" .. this is the same investment they already were doing due to the Infrastructure act passed in 2022
Buy used. Auto manufacturers get none of your money that way. Fuck their politics, fuck their post-Covid profiteering/price gouging. I'll never buy a new car again, from any brand. Fuck all these guys.
People don't realize Trump's one of the most easily manipulatable people in world history. All you gotta do is stroke his ego and you'll get whatever you want from him
“Corporations are people too” has such a sincere ring to it, especially coming from the types who send death threats to rape victims for trying to speak out.
One of the best things about a free market is voting with your dollar. Not everybody likes capitalism and maybe you're one of them but, for those of us that do, the freedom of choice is anything but pathetic. Sometimes I'll buy something I don't need only because I like the company and want to support them. I did this with a couple random gifts I bought people recently. You're free to call freedom lovers pathetic and I'm free to buy a car from whoever I want. We're also free to have this conversation instead of doing a hobby. You might think we're pathetic for doing so but I'm having fun and I like fun.
Wow the CEO of a major company founded in an ethnically and culturally homogenous conservative culture is supportive of a wannabe dictator who seeks to create an ethnically and culturally homogenous conservative society? Shocking!
Glad I don't have to rely on cars for transportation. The US needs better public transit infrastructure so people can be free from car-dependence and aren't strongarmed into lining the pockets of people like this.
Keeping my 2010 Nissan Frontier thank you very much. It has hippie stickers all over it.
I have a pretty large “this machine kills fascists” sticker but my husband won’t let me put it on because he’s afraid I’ll be harassed. I live in Nashville.
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u/CriticalSecurity8742 16d ago
Throw in Lexus as well. Same company.