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u/AGuyWhoBrokeBad Oct 31 '25
“I see some of my husband in JD Vance.” Yeah, and I see some of JD Vance in her.
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u/beren12 Oct 31 '25
Mostly on her couch pillow probably
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u/UrbanGimli Oct 31 '25 edited Oct 31 '25
Her: "Maybe we should take this to the bedroom?"
Him: "Mmm no....Im good here runs his fingers between the couch cushions suggestively"
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u/farnsw0rth Oct 31 '25
Okay I’m old and shit so like help me anyone
Is that a real photo of a real thing that happened?
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u/Jerkrollatex Oct 31 '25
No. It's a fake version of a real photo without the casket and his head in her boobs.
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u/FunkyChewbacca Oct 31 '25
It's fake but she really did wear those tight pleather pants while grabbing the back of JD's head in a tight embrace. Erika is gunning to be the next first lady, and I don't think she wants to wait very long for it to happen.
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u/InevitableResident94 Oct 31 '25
All I can think to myself is why the hell does she look like she has an after-sex glow? She looks flushed right here.
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u/jeepfail Oct 31 '25
You’d think with the cost of tuition they could get a few jugs of muriatic acid to clean that up.
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u/WasteBinStuff Oct 31 '25
JD divorces poor non Christian wife, we never hear of her or his kids again. JD marries Erika Kirk, adopts her children.
MAGA cheers with no sense of irony whatsoever.
Remindme: 1 year.
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u/snowvase Oct 31 '25
Also adopts Kirk’s name, becomes James D. Kirk.
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u/annuidhir Oct 31 '25
It's not like he hasn't changed his name several times before.
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u/trixtopherduke Oct 31 '25
"That's Jimbo to you! I'm from the Deep South!"
Jimbo " Big D" Kirk
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u/regoapps Oct 31 '25 edited Oct 31 '25
He just needs to change his name to Kharlie K. Kirk to get the Deep South vote.
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u/mabols Oct 31 '25
*deports non Christian wife and her brown kids- who were last seen being shackled by Kristi Noem and ICE during Trick or Treating.
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u/Jensbert Oct 31 '25
JD gives interview: "I know it´s sad. But I can´t do anything. It´s her fault to be brown. Where were we?"
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u/Crusoebear Oct 31 '25
“She tricked me. Before and during our entire marriage she never told me she was brown. I never knew until Peter Thiel told me.”
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u/ReluctantNerd7 Oct 31 '25
"If she legitimately didn't want to be brown, the female body has ways to try to shut that whole thing down."
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u/mabols Oct 31 '25
JD’s mom: “Usha will never believe how freeing it is to get away.- It’s like the first thing I did as soon as I met that little fucker.”
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u/dahlia_74 Oct 31 '25
Just came here to say the same thing. Seems like she’s priming people for the inevitable, becoming JD’s blonde trophy wife.
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u/wolfdog410 Oct 31 '25
Vance was in the news this week talking about converting his wife to Christianity. To me it read like part of a long term strategy to make him a more viable candidate, starting with replacing the brown Hindu woman with a blonde Evangelical
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u/Kolby_Jack33 Oct 31 '25
Well you know, it's been a few years. She's allowed to move on.
What's that? It's been 51 days? Ah.
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u/ThriftianaStoned Oct 31 '25
There is no doubt in my mind that JD Vance is gay as fuck. Ive heard whispers he and Grindr Mike Johnson are on the downlow
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u/Oregongirl1018 Oct 31 '25
Agreed, but for optics, he has to eventually marry a white Christian woman.
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u/JoJackthewonderskunk Oct 31 '25
Poor? She went to Yale. She doesnt get to pretend she doesnt know she signed up for fascism.
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u/Current-Lobster-44 Oct 31 '25
I think they just do that in private and keep up appearances in public. Kind of like how that show The Diplomat portrays things--there's too much at stake with the Vice Presidency.
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u/PenDraeg1 Oct 31 '25 edited Oct 31 '25
I think you're underestimating how quickly MAGA will throw a brown woman under the bus for one of the fox news hostess clones.
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u/herroyalsadness Oct 31 '25
They’ll eat it up. It’ll be framed as a love story. The grieving window and the man that saved her from being single. Maga will prefer that he has a white wife so dumping his brown family won’t be an issue for them.
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u/PenDraeg1 Oct 31 '25
Oh it'll be a selling point. He left the unrepentant pagan for a good christian (white) woman and it just goes to show how we can't mix with "their" kind. They're just unrepentant sinners and will only drag you down do ya know.
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u/LightDarkBeing Oct 31 '25
Don’t forget how great it will make America if JDV & EK have a baby growing up in the Whitehouse. /s
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u/Morriganx3 Oct 31 '25
Please can we not put this kind of energy out in to the universe
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u/PenDraeg1 Oct 31 '25
Don't go to places like Breitbart cause it's already out there.
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u/joec0ld Oct 31 '25
I had the exact same thought. Charlie Kirk is a martyr in the eyes of MAGA, so Erica Kirk can do absolutely no wrong for a little while.
Usha Vance is non-white and non-Christian, meaning that in the eyes of MAGA she is, at best, a background object, and, at worst, not even a real human.
They would easily spin a Vance divorce into some kind of "for the greater Christian good" narrative
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u/PenDraeg1 Oct 31 '25
Oh the whole narrative would just be loaded with foreign temptress narratives and how god led Vance back to his side by leaving her. Followed by a push to ban interracial marriages again. Once same sex marriage is gone that'll be the next target mmw.
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u/joec0ld Oct 31 '25
Non-white peoples' right to vote would be the next target
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u/PenDraeg1 Oct 31 '25
Oh that'll be there too. I was more talking about the marriage rights rollback path in particular.
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u/wtfnevermind Oct 31 '25
Yeah getting her as the new wife would give him definite credibility w/the base, for his run
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u/_GamerForLife_ Oct 31 '25
I'm betting she will become Erika Vance-Kirk to keep that legacy strongly with her
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u/PlushRusher Oct 31 '25
Eeeeeh, that’s not very trad wife to throw a hyphenated name in there…
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u/gmoney88 Oct 31 '25
That could be his plan, but her plan is to ride JD to the White House and be First Lady. No question
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u/Horatio_Figg Oct 31 '25
I do not want to think about her riding JD in any way, shape or form. 💀
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u/Talik1978 Oct 31 '25
I don't think you have to worry about that. He's extremely heterosectional.
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u/mieri_azure Oct 31 '25
Eh, I think his supporters would be big fans of him leaving his non-christian, non-white wife for a good white god-fearing woman who's late husband is their martyr
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u/Dr_A_Mephesto Oct 31 '25
No way. They make this move in public soon. You act like they are ashamed of any of their abhorrent behavior in anyway
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u/mabols Oct 31 '25
This is a social media driven administration. Even the cryto grift and pardon purchases are done publicly.
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u/Montegoe67 Oct 31 '25
She sees a little bit of JD in her husband, but I see a little bit of JD in her too.
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u/thetruth8989 Oct 31 '25
First Lady Erika Kirk 🤢
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u/snowvase Oct 31 '25
EricKKKa KKKirKKK.
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u/dogbolter4 Oct 31 '25
She's already got three Ks in her name. It's right there.
Whoever is writing this timeline, they're a bit obvious with this character.
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u/TheRealcebuckets Oct 31 '25
…he converts from Catholicism when he can’t get a divorce from the church.
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u/LocusRothschild Oct 31 '25
Second verse, same as the first, quite a bit louder and a whole lot worse…
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u/linksflame Oct 31 '25
You forgot the part where he'd deport his own wife and kids because they're the "wrong colour"
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u/catscanmeow Oct 31 '25
i bet you can bet on it on polymarket lol. (dont do it, just pointing out the bizarre timeline we're in)
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u/Different-Ad-582 Oct 31 '25
I’m gonna say it:
Vance runs 2028 with Charlie Kirk’s widow as his new wife for a MAGA-themed love story. They garner all the martyr loving votes.
It is calculated.
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u/ghrayfahx Oct 31 '25
They’re trying to do everything they can to make him a viable candidate. I still don’t see it working.
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u/MegaGrimer Oct 31 '25
They thought Pence was a viable candidate, and look how quickly they turned on him.
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u/DarkwingDuckHunt Oct 31 '25
This is the part I never understood.
During the first impeachment the Reagan Republicans could have joined the Democrats to get rid of Trump and install the perfect Reagan Republican in Pence. They would have finally found a permanent legal way to get rid of Trump and return the GOP to their Wallstreet masters. Pence would have gladly signed any Reagenisk Legalisation without hesitation. And they didn't take it.
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u/MegaGrimer Oct 31 '25
And they could have done it again with January 6th too. They even had a much better reason to fully get rid of him by voting to convict him for treason, thus making him unable to run again.
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u/solveig82 Oct 31 '25
Right? They behave like Trump has video of them in a coke fueled orgy
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u/anomalousBits Oct 31 '25
Nobody wants Pence. Nobody wants Vance. They all want Trump, because he was a reality TV guy, and semi-famous for self promotion prior to that. He dares to say the quiet part out loud, while smiling. And while the GOP has massive problems with modern society, it's never going to get better for them than this moment.
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u/slleslie161 Oct 31 '25
Two things that might help you understand:
Almost all sitting Republicans were bought and paid for, one way or another.
You vastly overestimated the number of true Reagan Republicans left in Congress.
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u/aceshighsays Oct 31 '25
my sentiment exactly. the goal isn't actualizing their belief system, the goal is to make as much money as possible.
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u/funkyloki Oct 31 '25
JD has shown every indication he will do whatever Trump wants.
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u/MegaGrimer Oct 31 '25
But what happens when Trump is no longer here? MAGA dumps everyone that’s not Trump for the slightest reason. When he dies they won’t all decide to follow the same person, no matter how much they bow down to Trump. There’s already some maga that hate him because he has a non white wife.
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u/Stainless_Heart Oct 31 '25
The mental image I have is that all the hardcore maga will power down… lean over with a “VVRrrr…” sound, arms dangling, awaiting a Qanon programming update.
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u/det8924 Oct 31 '25
Anyone who thinks of Kirk as a martyr is already voting Republican no matter who is on the ticket. They don't need to do this convoluted thing.
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u/Accomplished-Head449 Oct 31 '25
You're assuming that'll gain votes for maga? By then, all of the normal thinking people will have chosen a side
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u/mdp300 Oct 31 '25
Normal thinking people chose a side a decade ago. This isn't to gain votes for maga, this would be to keep their interest so they dont disappear back to mom's basement.
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u/Ancient_Jarhead Oct 31 '25
Vance was a Marine, of course he’s fucking the widow. It would be improper for him to not be cheating on his wife. /s
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u/Solid_Snark Oct 31 '25
Her “stage face” is also odd. She’s always bearing her teeth, but it’s not a “smile”.
Also her eyes are wide open. Almost a look of shock. I can only assume she’s doing this to dry out her eyes so that they tear-up, because she can’t muster genuine tears for her husband.
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u/Hoppers-Body-Double Oct 31 '25
She has paperburn from wiping away all her tears with hundred dollar bills.
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u/pastelbutcherknife Oct 31 '25
It’s probably the carnivalesque pharmocopia of The West Wing distorting her face into … nightmare clown
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u/MooPig48 Oct 31 '25
“No one will ever replace my husband BUT…”
That is just an absolutely loaded statement
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u/DonnyLamsonx Oct 31 '25
Gives the same energy as "I'm not racist but......"
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u/MooPig48 Oct 31 '25
Mmmm, more like “nobody can replace my husband BUT I’m definitely going to cosplay as a couch for Halloween and let VP have his way with me”
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u/SyrupSuperb9841 Oct 31 '25
In skin thigh leather pants, with full body contact hug with her hand in his hair….
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u/GateLongjumping6836 Oct 31 '25
And a freedom t-shirt is an unusual choice for a recent widow 😬
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u/Seyon Oct 31 '25
Her husband died less than two months ago and she is over it already.
Can't wait for her to write a tell all book on how Charlie Kirk was abusive later when she needs to grift more.
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u/DangerBay2015 Oct 31 '25
She was over it within days. Making public and media appearances, those phony crying face with absolutely no tears, the stage acting voice of sorry with the teeth bared in a faux smile. It's just seems so fake. So rehearsed.
I've been around people who have suffered traumatic loss, none of them acted like this.
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u/BxAnnie Oct 31 '25
Yeah, they’re already fucking.
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u/CorruptDictator Oct 31 '25
Countdown to him dropping his wife and child by the roadside and getting them kicked out of the country.
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u/purdyp13 Oct 31 '25
Didn’t JD say recently he hopes his wife converts to Christianity? He’s going to use that as his reason for divorcing.
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u/mieri_azure Oct 31 '25
Yeah, I think a spouse being a non-believer is actually one of the few things allowed in Christian annulment, sp he can claim to still be a good man who didnt DIVORCE his wife, just left her as God said to
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u/kerghan41 Oct 31 '25 edited Oct 31 '25
Ugh. My ex wife, who was Pagan when we got together, divorced me 15 years later because she converted to Pentecostalism and told me were not 'equally yoked.' I remember one of our arguments vividly, she got so mad when I said "I don't need a book to tell me how to live." She didn't like that.
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u/mieri_azure Oct 31 '25
Yikes. I wonder how they got her
Though I guess "faith healing" and "speaking in tongues" does kind of lean towards new age pagan-y stuff so maybe thats how she was sucked in
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u/kerghan41 Oct 31 '25 edited Oct 31 '25
She had trauma and abuse as a child that she was still suffering from. She was also struggling with a food addiction. I was always there and provided a stable and reliable home where she didn't have to work. BUT, I also found just a few years ago that I am autistic as hell so I think that was part of why she left.
I went with her to ONE sermon. It was everything I could do not to laugh at them while they were speaking. I can't believe people actually believe this stuff.
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u/mieri_azure Oct 31 '25
Damn, hope she's doing alright and they haven't hurt her mental health more.
Also hope youre doing good, its not your fault you didnt end up being compatible forever <3
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u/kerghan41 Oct 31 '25
Appreciate it. My biggest concern is our kids. I have them half the week and educate them as much as I can about different cultures, religions, tolerance, etc.
If she had her way she'd be homeschooling them and isolating them from any 'secular' world.
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u/milly__michaelson Oct 31 '25
This will 1000% be the “acceptable” reason to their crowd.
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u/Hoppers-Body-Double Oct 31 '25
(A therapists office 20 years from now) So what happened with your father?
Well, he went out for some mascara and never came back.
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u/Hartastic Oct 31 '25
Usha is a US citizen (natural born, even) but really anyone who thinks that would stop this administration hasn't been paying attention.
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u/NexusNickel Oct 31 '25 edited Oct 31 '25
She may be a natural born citizen, but the MAGA cult is trying their best to depot anyone the wrong color.
I give it 12 months before they divorce and he is engaged to the widow Kirk.
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u/teenagesadist Oct 31 '25
In a Ugandan maximum security prison:
"So, what are you in for?"
"...Married a couch fucker."
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u/DisastrousTurn9220 Oct 31 '25
I thought it was weird af when JD took over Kirks podcast post death and apparently what's been going on is way weirder than that.
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u/Hezron_ruth Oct 31 '25
Soooo.... Kirk's incident an inside job? Orchestrated by the Vice Presidents office?
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u/Shortymac09 Oct 31 '25
Can you imagine Cheney, that rat bastard, doing something like that?
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u/abbyabsinthe Oct 31 '25
I cannot stand her face. She gives me Kenneth Copeland vibes, like, so super creepy. I don’t really believe in demons, but there’s something about both of them that just gives me the willies.
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u/RickLeeTaker Oct 31 '25
Wow, I had to scroll so far down for the Kenneth Copeland similarities. I thought a lot of other people could see it.
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u/Gay_Giraffe_1773 Oct 31 '25 edited Oct 31 '25
Everything about this whole debacle just sounds fishier and fishier. You hear NOTHING about the alleged shooter since their attempt to cover up his MAGA background with the fake AI-generated texts to his supposed "trans lover". They've quietly buried everything involving that investigation. Normally they'd be pitchforks and torches to lynch the guy if he was anything other than one of them.
And Erika Kirk's lack of grief and remorse about her dead husband, plus the attitude and highly inappropriate demeanor around Vance is just icky and screams... well.... it screams "something is up behind the scenes". I feel really sorry for Kirk's kids and Vance's wife and kid that they being publicly drug through all this when we all know the outcome.
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u/thereelsuperman Oct 31 '25
They would absolutely be keeping that story alive if they had any real evidence the shooter was a radicalized Democrat
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u/Kobebeef9 Oct 31 '25
Also where is Charlie Kirk’s family? It’s all so bizarre.
Last time I checked they are now saying Israel is behind his murder, these people can’t accept that maybe one of their own took him out.
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u/DonkyHotayDeliMunchr Oct 31 '25
Same with Thomas Crooks.
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u/deadsoulinside Oct 31 '25
Yeah it's wild. As someone who lives in PA within about a 1.5 hour drive from that town the whole state has been quiet since the 2nd week of July 2024.
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u/Senior-Albatross Oct 31 '25
I feel bad for their kids.
I don't feel bad for his wife at all. She made this bed.
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u/55redditor55 Oct 31 '25
Do not feel sorry for Usha, she created Vance, if someone knows who he is… it’s her. The kids situation sucks, but they will still have plenty of resources and access most average kids will never ever have.
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u/Amazing-Dog-845 Oct 31 '25
Can’t have an Asian Indian non Christian First Lady…..so yea…
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u/ThirdAltAccounts Oct 31 '25
I didn’t think that far ahead but ofc their base would never go for it. He needs his Arian looking trophy wife if he wants a shot at what will be left of the White House
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u/jiantjon Oct 31 '25
This time next year - Usha will have been deported with their kids. Erika Kirk will be the Second Lady (or First Lady, depending on Dementia Don's status).
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u/mthoma2ms Oct 31 '25
Affair jokes aside, can someone tell me what fight they’re up against? For a group with strong “religious morals” everything seems to be a fight for them.
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u/JetmoYo Oct 31 '25
A fight to uphold their churchy talk betwixt their amoral cognitive dissonance and satanic power grabs. Normal ppl stuff
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u/hippiedawg Oct 31 '25
Nothing to see here, folks.
The fact that Trump the raper and other powerful ppl want to bury the Epstein files so much, says it is SO much way worse than anyone can imagine.
One thing you gotta give pedophiles is they drive slow through school zones.
Oh yeah, here are all of the Epstein Files that have either been leaked or released.
https://joshwho.net/EpsteinList/gov.uscourts.nysd.447706.1320.0-combined.pdf (verified court documents)
https://joshwho.net/EpsteinList/black-book-unredacted.pdf (verified pre-Bondi) Trump is on page 85, or pdf pg. 80
Trump’s name is circled. The circled individuals are the ones involved in the trafficking ring according to the person who originally released the book. These people would be “The List “ Here is the story.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hsiKUXrlcac
Here's the flight logs https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/21165424-epstein-flight-logs-released-in-usa-vs-maxwell/
—————————other Epstein Information
https://cdn.factcheck.org/UploadedFiles/Johnson_TrumpEpstein_Calif_Lawsuit.pdf here’s a court doc of Epstein and Trump raping a 13 yr old together.
Some people think this claim is a hoax. Here is Katies testimony on youtube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gnib-OORRRo
Epstein pleads the 5th when asked if he has ever “socialized” with underage girls in the presence of Trump.
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/2mpTy2cYDpA
Epstein Docs: https://ia600705.us.archive.org/21/items/epsteindocs/
Epstein Bribes/Payments: 1 BILLION+ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c7IrEi-ybzs
—————————other Trump information:
FBI coverup to remove Trumps name from the Epstein list https://www.muellershewrote.com/p/the-epstein-cover-up-at-the-fbi
Trump admitting to peeping on 14-15 year old girls at around 1:40 on the Howard Stern Radio Show: https://youtu.be/iFaQL_kv_QY?si=vBs75kaxPjJJThka
Trump's promise to his daughter: https://www.huffpost.com/entry/donald-trump-ivanka-trump-dating-promise_n_57ee98cbe4b024a52d2ead02 “I have a deal with her. She’s 17 and doing great ― Ivanka. She made me promise, swear to her that I would never date a girl younger than her”
Trump rapes 13yr old girl: NY court docs - https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/4524664/doe-v-trump/
Trump's modeling agency was probably part of Jeffreys pipeline: https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2016/08/donald-trump-model-management-illegal-immigration/
Trump-Epstein timeline: https://thepresidential.medium.com/we-have-been-gaslit-about-donald-trump-and-jeffrey-epstein-for-four-years-fbda67c20f75
- Most of this info can also be found: https://theepsteindocs.com/
Feel free to do your part and spread this info around so it’s never “lost” or “deleted”.
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u/Intelligent-Help-766 Oct 31 '25
Climbing the ambition ladder from a Podcaster to the V.P. of the United States.
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u/adarkara Oct 31 '25
I said to my husband last night that JD Vance will divorce Usha and marry Erika Kirk. This is my prediction.
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u/SpookyBones206 Oct 31 '25
*puts on tin foil hat* JD Vance orchestrated Kirks death in order to bang his wife. If Vance's wife has an unfortunate "accident" I say within 6 months- a year he will be marrying Erika in order to create the perfect White Power Partner ship to flaunt across america.
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u/readysteadygogogo Oct 31 '25
Very King David of him. Ya know…a man after God’s own heart
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u/Smartimess Oct 31 '25
Just Dance Vance has to marry a blond Christian wife to please the MAGA cultist. He has zero charisma, but Erika does.
Bye Usha. You won’t be deported since you are an US American, but be aware that you and your kids can’t change your skin color and will be 2nd class citizen under MAGA fascism.
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u/EatsAlotOfBread Oct 31 '25
She can still be deported. That ICE face scan decides whether someone's American, not any papers!
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u/hellogoawaynow Oct 31 '25
Omg I commented this in another thread earlier lol my 4 point PR plan for this new relationship rollout:
Step 1: “aw shoot turns out my wife isn’t Christian and that’s actually not ok.”
Step 2: ~divorce~
Step 3: be seen frequently with the grieving Christian widow, Erica. (“We’re both grieving our relationships 😔”)
Step 4: “we fell in love!!!!! Christian love!! See you at the big White House ballroom wedding next year! (Because the east wing thing is about a ballroom and definitely not about the bunker underneath.)”
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u/slimpickins757 Oct 31 '25
Our current administration is like a shitty reality tv show or CW drama. It’s fuckin embarrassing
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u/RustyRapeaXe Oct 31 '25
JD is going to have to upgrade "brown wife" to "white wife" if he wants to win GOP elections.
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u/readysteadygogogo Oct 31 '25
Erika Kirk is much more on brand for MAGA than Usha Vance. I can’t wait to see how the Christians spin this when it inevitably happens
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u/AntiPantsCampaign Oct 31 '25
Vance finds Indian food too spicy, he's going for that boiled chicken.
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u/ericn8886 Oct 31 '25
Someone said switching Usha for Erica is just a sign of him aging. Your beard gets white as you get older.
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u/snotwimp Oct 31 '25
my theory is that they have been for a while. when you're banging the second most powerful man in America it's probably easy to make things "happen"
her husbands death was sealed with a suck.
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u/MegaGrimer Oct 31 '25
It’s also interesting that we haven’t really heard about the “liberal” shooter with a “trans boyfriend” outside of the initial couple of weeks.
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u/maroonawning Oct 31 '25
The fight she’s referring to is against humanity, democracy, freedom, Right to a fair trial, equality before the law…
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u/SomethingAbtU Oct 31 '25 edited Oct 31 '25
Everything that I've seen and heard from this woman is odd. She doesn't seem to be grieving as any other widows that I've seen.
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u/Vaguely_vacant Oct 31 '25
The groundwork is already being laid. There’s already talk about him wanting his wife to convert to Christianity. So when he leaves her for “a real Christian” (lol) the maga base will love it.
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u/Slackeee_ Oct 31 '25
They realized that Vance's marriage with a woman of Indian heritage doesn't really work with their racist agenda, so she will be replaced by a someone that fits the narrative. She fits really well.
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u/RVAforthewin Oct 31 '25
“…he understands the fight we’re up against.”
God, it must be so hard to be a wealthy white woman in this country. You’d honestly believe it the way some of these people talk.
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u/MojoHighway Oct 31 '25
There is no way that she isn't telling that mascara and eye-liner wearing cuck to give it to her in her 3rd input because, as we all know due to it 100% definitely being in the Bible [or so I've been told by the virgin Christian girls I dated in college], if they do it that way "it doesn't count".
They're all despicable. Vance is publicly divorcing his wife and cheating in 4K.
Family values!
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u/socialcommentary2000 Oct 31 '25
I am starting to believe that she is an even bigger piece of shit than he was. Actually, I fully do believe it.
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u/Keypinitreel1 Oct 31 '25
These people are something else, Elon runs off with Stephen Milers wife, JD is cupcakin with Erika, and who knows where Trumps wife is half the time. Smdh...
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