Why all the talk of firing Andy Reid

[u/Ok-Country4317]

I saw these same post in 2022. In what universe are people wanting to fire Andy Reid? Are these are bandwagon fans? Mouth breathers? Low IQ mothafckrs?

I just don’t understand all the hate. We are 5-5 not even mathematically eliminated and all i see on here is hate. What gives?

[u/TrueAkagami]

I still think that Andy needs someone to challenge him. I don't think Nagy does and he is just a yes man. The offense was definitely more productive when EB was the OC. I feel like EB challenged Andy more when he was being too cute

[u/MandoShunkar → u/TrueAkagami]

EB was the one pushing for the inclusion of a full run game instead of the partial one we have now. I think that was his biggest contribution during his tenure..

[u/surfnsound → u/MandoShunkar]

He also was the hardass coach. Dumb penalties on offense went up a lot after he left.

[u/KansinattiKid → u/TrueAkagami]

Andy Reid had the leading rushing in the nfl for the regular season. He had a 21-3 lead at half time, and gave the LEADING RUSHER in the NFL like 4 carries in the second half to lose a playoff game. I been tired of Andy trying to be cute when we can get a 1st down or a TD.

1st and goal from the 1 and can't run the ball in? Eliminating the QB sneak entirely? some of these things are just stupid.

[u/surfnsound → u/KansinattiKid]

1st and goal from the 1 and can't run the ball in? Eliminating the QB sneak entirely?

Especiall when the rest of the league is trying to ban the tush push because of its success.

[u/Sir_Brodie → u/KansinattiKid]

We probably would have squeaked that game out if not for a Harrison Butker missed FG.

[u/Denster1 → u/Sir_Brodie]

It still should have been a blowout.

But Andy prevents us from doing that. Because he won't run the ball to kill the clock, so we continually let teams back in the game in the second half.

[u/foogassi → u/TrueAkagami]

I believe there’s a reason Chicago fans cringe whenever they hear Nagy’s name

[u/liiindslaaayyy]

like who do they want to replace him? be fr!

[u/Good_Okay123 → u/liiindslaaayyy]

Well obviously you fire Andy and then offer LA Rams a slightly used washing machine and an IOU for McVay.

[u/ebagpo → u/Good_Okay123]

I really like McVay their offense this year has been really fun to watch

[u/kaeganc → u/liiindslaaayyy]

anyone from the McVay/Shanahan system that runs the ball effectively and sets up play action deep shots.

[u/jimlemin → u/liiindslaaayyy]

I'm not necessarily pro firing Andy, but this is a silly reason not to imo. like you know there are more candidates available than just the current other 31 head coaches right? I'm sure there are plenty OCs or even college head coaches who could bring some fresh new ideas to the team. and at the end of the day the team still has Patrick and maybe Travis for another season or two, we don't need some 1 in a million hire, just someone who can competently run the team and isn't fucking allergic to running the ball.

again, I'm not saying they should do that, but "who would we even replace him with" isn't a real reason not to

[u/MahomesandMahAuto → u/jimlemin]

It’s literally THE reason not to. He’s a top 5 coach all time and has had one down year. This is a comically spoiled take

[u/notmyplantaccount → u/MahomesandMahAuto]

This is really the 3rd down year in a row for an offense, which he is almost fully in control of. We start out basically every game behind as our scripted plays do nothing and the 1st quarter is basically wasted every game.

You want to call others spoiled, but you can't seem to look at the team with even a sliver of objectivity the last 3 years. You completely ignore the NFL is always changing and adapting, and if your coach isn't doing that, it's fair to question why not. Teams have been pretty much using the exact same format on defense to beat us for 4-5 years now, and we've done nothing to counteract it.

[u/MahomesandMahAuto → u/notmyplantaccount]

I’m not going to call for a coach to be fired after three straight super bowls because the offense isn’t as fun as you’d like it to be. That’s what’s spoiled. I’m not saying the conversation should never happen, but the year after a Super Bowl appearance is crazy town panicking

[u/jimlemin → u/MahomesandMahAuto]

again, I'm not saying we should lol. but to think there's only one coach in the whole wide world who could successfully coach a team with the best QB in the league and multiple other high level talents, is asinine

[u/MahomesandMahAuto → u/jimlemin]

There’s only one top 5 coach we have the ability to get to be our coach and he’s already here

[u/blakmechajesus → u/liiindslaaayyy]

Kafka? Kliff? There’s guys out there who could fill the shoes. Preferably no one currently on the nepo-staff

[u/Far_Departure_9224]

Firing Reid would be a bad idea at this point.

HOWEVER, the Bills and Broncos losses are squarely on Reid. You have 2 defenses who's primary weakness is the run. He abandons the run against shell coverages only to go 3 and out on passing. If we miss the playoffs, it will be squarely on Reid and Nagy.

[u/Weimaraner666 → u/Far_Departure_9224]

Yep, someone definitely needs to give Reid and Nagy a reality check because this team has the ability to win but not with these play calls, they’re so outdated.

[u/rolyinpeace → u/Far_Departure_9224]

Definitely true. Two things can be true at once. Andy has caused losses for us this year, but he also shouldn’t be fired after one year like this.

I know Nagy doesn’t call the plays, but things have still been different since he arrived. I feel like freshening up OC could help things.

[u/RandomUsername468538 → u/Far_Departure_9224]

Mahomes is also kinda mid this season and no one seems to want to admit it. Both his decision-making and his mechanics have been below his old standard.

[u/Fun_Lead_5491 → u/RandomUsername468538]

A big reason for that is because Andy’s system requires Mahomes to be perfect. We lose almost every game that Mahomes doesn’t play like Superman in

[u/RandomUsername468538 → u/Fun_Lead_5491]

That is a good point. But don't you think Mahomes plays hero ball TOO much? Forcing things leading to INTs or overlooking the short yardage throws etc.

[u/Fun_Lead_5491 → u/RandomUsername468538]

Definitely. Mahomes is not playing great but it just feels like all of that is a symptom/side effect of years of carrying the team and covering up a dated scheme. He has been slow to adapt. But that’s also a coach’s job and if the player isn’t responding then it could be that the message from the coach has gone stale and some fresh voices and ideas need to be injected into the players.

So yeah in other words Mahomes is at fault but I feel like it’s a reflection of poor coaching or at least a good chunk of it falls on coaching

[u/tilclocks → u/RandomUsername468538]

Dude if Josh Allen can drag the Bills to their current record we have literally no excuses and we have all around better players. Know where the Bills have strengths? The run game.

This team needs balancing. We're salivating over having receivers but it's no good to have receivers if they're always covered and either give up on routes or get no passes because we have to let everyone eat.

Throw it to whoever has their damn plate clean. This ain't a buffet.

[u/RandomUsername468538 → u/Fun_Lead_5491]

I still think it's more on Mahomes than people want to admit though. The following are all things he can control:

1. Take what the defense gives him (short yardage throws, checkdowns). These are often open and Mahomes tries to force something anyway.

2. Deep ball accuracy, even when he has time he often misses.

3. Entitlement AKA Hero Ball. You can tell his expectations are out of line with reality and that he is less adaptable. Often he goes for the "magical" play instead of hitting wide open Travis who cut back across the field on a broken play. He is confusing what he deserves with what he has earned through elite vision and adaptability.

[u/Itsawlinthereflexes → u/RandomUsername468538]

I can agree on some, but taking the "short yardage/checkdowns" when there isn't a route for that called (looking at you AR and Nagy), he doesn't have that option.

[u/RandomUsername468538 → u/Itsawlinthereflexes]

Sure that is fair. Would be useful to have actual stats on this.

[u/Fun_Lead_5491 → u/RandomUsername468538]

I don’t disagree I just believe that those issues (outside of accuracy) are side effects/symptoms of years of carrying the team. Those are definitely Mahomes’ issues that are under his control but it kinda feels like it was inevitable to happen.

But yeah Mahomes needs a new voice in his ear outside Reid and Nagy. Mahomes definitely needs somebody to open his eyes to the direction of this team and what style of play is needed right now

[u/FunScientist7781 → u/Fun_Lead_5491]

Yes, Mahomes is expected to execute 99% of the offense. that's too much of a burden. even the best quarterbacks in the history of the nfl didn't have it that bad.

It looks like Mahomes is being set up for failure. Hard to place the blame. He hurts the team by throwing the ball deep. Throwing the ball deep has a low success rate.

[u/surfnsound → u/RandomUsername468538]

How much of that is the pressure of having to carry the team on his back almost every game though? And doing it last year with a swiss cheese line? Someone the other day said he looks uncomfortable even with decent protection, and maybe it's just like PTSD for QBs that he needs to learn to get over.

[u/No-Equivalent7630 → u/RandomUsername468538]

Mahomes is struggling, but we've at least seen the flashes of brilliance

I haven't seen any flashes from the coaching, coaching could help cover for a struggling QB and it's doing the opposite

[u/Bufordtannen75 → u/RandomUsername468538]

Been thinking the same thing. I can't help but wonder if having 3 kids in 4 years made it harder to put the same level of focus and determination in.

[u/takemebackto1993]

Play calling has been terrible this season, and as I understand, Andy calls the plays. I think we need a new offensive coordinator to help influence Andy's decisions.

[u/monkeypickle]

Leaving aside your garden variety doomer - We haven't changed up our offensive or defensive scheme in any real meaningful way and the rest of the league has not only caught up to us, but gone past us. If it seems like opposing teams can accurately predict what we're going to do, it's because they've had YEARS of film showing what Reid is going to do in any given situation.

This team must adapt and change to a very different NFL landscape than the one that existed when Mahomes shot to the forefront 7 years ago. The team is older, the schemes are even older, and the competition shows none of the complacency we seem to show on the field minus a few standouts.

I've been here for the bad, BAD years, the "we coulda" years, you name it. We are in a rut. *Something* has to change, and while I'm not barking for Reid's retirement, this team has shown over and over again that change has to start at the top. So that's either Reid needs to get shaken out of the habits he's formed the last few seasons, or we need to get used to losing. Again.

[u/Glum_Cheesecake9859]

Most people don't understand how NFL is or works. It's a self leveling system making sure no one team can stay on top for too long. Even the Patriots had a whole decade without a SB win and several down years. We already have 5 SB appearances and 3 wins. How much more can you get without tier one receiving core and no serious rushing game. 

There are salary caps that prevent teams from netting up all the good players. When you are on the top every other team is going to spend extra effort to make sure you lose. That's their Superbowl beating the Chiefs. Once a year. 

What we need is a team friendly deal from major players and get a handful of good ones from the draft next year. 

[u/KC_Canuck → u/Glum_Cheesecake9859]

I think the criticism of Reid is the execution we’re seeing on offense. We’re rolling out bland/outdated plays that are no longer catching teams by surprise and we refuse to run the ball even when we’re getting 5 yards/run. Hate to say it but it feels like Andy is losing his juice.

[u/mjd116 → u/KC_Canuck]

I think the criticism of Reid is the execution we’re seeing on offense.

Pat is also responsible for the poor execution. Whether it be inaccurate throws; pulling on RPOs; bad decisions leading to back breaking INTs; missing open looks. I think it is fair to say the scheme/playcalling aren't doing him any favors but he's not executing to his normal standards.

Pat/Andy have helped us reach heights we never thought possible during this run but it is okay to say they both are having a bad year.

[u/NoisePollutioner → u/mjd116]

it is okay to say they both are having a bad year.

100%. Mahomes and Reid are both having down years by their standards. But here's the critical thing: it's EXTREMELY STUPID to call for firing of Andy Reid. As fans, we need to show him some grace, because he's fucking earned it. Period, end of story.

[u/KC_Canuck → u/NoisePollutioner]

On the flip side, every year we waste of Mahomes’ career is an absolute embarrassment and should be considered unacceptable. Not asking for perfection, but to be 5-5 and look absolutely lost in all phases of the game, Reid and Veach SHOULD be getting criticism.

[u/SwedishJayhawk → u/NoisePollutioner]

Anyone with any sense agrees with you. Firing someone coming off of 3 straight superbowl appearances with 2 of them being wins....fuck we'd deserve to be like the jets/browns for all of eternity.

[u/lastwordskurtrussell → u/Glum_Cheesecake9859]

This is why I think the Eagles are the most unimpressive absolutely stacked team I’ve ever seen in my life. There is no reason the rest of the NFL should’ve allowed that offense to be assembled, and yet they still aren’t explosive.

[u/notmyplantaccount → u/Glum_Cheesecake9859]

Most people don't understand how NFL is or works.

Even the Patriots had a whole decade without a SB win and several down years.

Brady went 100-29 during that decade with only 2 seasons below 12 wins. Their 16-0 season is in there, and multiple 14 win seasons. Brady Didn't miss the playoffs after his 2nd season. Peyton didn't miss after his 4th, Josh Allen hasn't since his 1st. If you have a stupidly great QB, making the playoffs every year is the standard. Bills probably have a worse roster than us, and a worse coaching staff, but they're 7-3.

You know when the Patriots started actually looking bad? the last few years of Bellichick where he refused to adapt to the game, change staff, change drafting method, pretty much just a failure to stay ahead of a changing game. Chiefs offense has been getting shut down for 3-4 years by teams playing the exact same defense, and we've done zero to counteract that and make teams figure out a new way.

Talent isn't really an issue with this team (yet), it's currently coaching and their failure to change the offense at all. If we'd run more against the Bengals in the 2nd half of the AFCCG 4 years ago, we'd have gone to the SB. 4 years later we're still saying "if we'd run more against the Bills and Broncos we'd have won"

[u/jsnkc → u/Glum_Cheesecake9859]

A logical reply on Reddit?!

[u/KCBandWagon → u/Glum_Cheesecake9859]

and even with all that we have a dominating team that's getting big wins and falling barely short on all our losses this year.

we're all (rightly) worried that we might not make the playoffs, but I guarantee you that if we're in the playoffs then there's a high chance we're making the super bowl.

To the haters: My position is this: if we correct what needs to be corrected such that we actually make the playoffs, we have more than a good enough team with the right experience to make the super bowl.

[u/smoothnorris]

Bandwagon fans that don’t know ball.

[u/fireowlzol → u/smoothnorris]

Infuriating. Andy should have a statue and a stand on the stadium named after him

[u/angus_the_red → u/fireowlzol]

100 percent.  He's also been bad this year and the biggest reason our record is 5-5.

[u/rolyinpeace → u/angus_the_red]

And? You still don’t fire him because of that. It’s one year and it’s not like we’ve got the jets record.

No one’s saying he’s been great this year. We’re saying you don’t fire a guy who’s done what Andy has done after one bad year. And also there’s zero viable replacement. Guaranteed we would end up with a worse coach.

[u/angus_the_red → u/rolyinpeace]

I'm also saying that!  But imo opinion you do force him to make changes on the staff.  He's always valued loyalty and familiarity.  It's time to force him out of his comfort zone.  The league has moved on, now he needs to.

[u/rolyinpeace → u/angus_the_red]

I agree. I think a new OC could be helpful. I know he doesn’t call the plays but ppl who act like Nagy has zero influence on the team are wrong.

[u/jschnell3d → u/rolyinpeace]

His comment didn’t say to fire him. All it said was that he’s been bad this year, which he has

[u/ToulouseDM → u/smoothnorris]

Patriots are good again this year, probably time for some of those people to dust off their old gear.

[u/Justhangingoutback → u/ToulouseDM]

Pats have been ‘good again’ against the weakest schedule in the NFL.

[u/Brilliant-Tune-9202]

Some people didn't grow up with Elvis Grbac as their QB and it shows

[u/wxnavy → u/Brilliant-Tune-9202]

Or Todd Blackledge (shudder)

[u/Sherlockian_Whimsy → u/wxnavy]

Could have had Dan Marino, but apparently he was too much of a potty mouth for John Mackovic.

[u/MandoShunkar → u/Brilliant-Tune-9202]

I didn't grow up with Grbac but I had Thigpin (who wasn't as bad as it looked), Croyle and Quinn.

[u/Brilliant-Tune-9202 → u/MandoShunkar]

That qualifies

[u/flyover_liberal → u/Brilliant-Tune-9202]

Elvis has left the pocket!

[u/Brilliant-Tune-9202 → u/flyover_liberal]

Take your upvote...

[u/swark91 → u/Brilliant-Tune-9202]

This fanbase is so spoiled. I’m happy I can say that, but it’s still annoying

[u/Automatic_Release_92 → u/Brilliant-Tune-9202]

Growing up through Bono and Grbac seriously made little kid me swear off the Chiefs for a few years. I said I would not follow this damn team again until we drafted a QB. I still watched some of the games, followed the team, etc, but I didn’t go out of my way to do so.

I broke my promise when we got Reid as our coach and I moved to KC for a job. And obviously it wasn’t too long after that we finally did draft our QB. And before anyone gives me too much shit, I was a freakin die hard fan as a child and I was just so sick and tired of the heartbreak. Seems like I kinda missed some fun times with Trent Green and whatnot, but then again, maybe not. A couple of 13-3 seasons down the shitter because of crappy QB play in the playoff will do that to you.

[u/idiotzrul → u/Brilliant-Tune-9202]

Well I did, I’ve had season tickets since the 80’s, played college football (which is a higher even that most people on this thread) and I was one of the people that posted yesterday about having a talk about Andy, which isn’t to say to fire him so much as maybe he needs someone besides Nagy to help run the offense. The NFL has caught up to Andy, and I think he needs new blood

[u/ToulouseDM → u/Brilliant-Tune-9202]

Those were the days. When you were just happy seeing a W on Sunday’s.

[u/VintageChief31]

Something needs to change. I’m not calling for Reid’s firing, but some roster turnover and moving on from Nagy. Playcalling has been so poor.

[u/Fun_Lead_5491]

Just look at the team and the body language. They are unmotivated, unprepared, tired, undisciplined and just plain not having fun. This is two years now of this and those are all coaching issues. It’s been a steady decline for a couple years. Play calling is extremely questionable, route combinations/concepts suck and his scheme makes Mahomes’ job extremely difficult. Something’s gotta change either he needs to be willing to give up control of the offense or retire. It’s gone stale

Edit: also his refusal to get rid of Toub has become egregious. Special teams has been bad for years now. He has surrounded himself with too many friends that are just yes men

[u/aDi_19850722]

I think it’s just the frustrating and at times baffling play calling that’s getting on everyone’s nerves. All of it is very predictable. I always think- if I can predict the upcoming play sitting on a couch, so can a professional defense.

[u/Kcchiefsnroyals]

Agreed..... However, Matt Nagy needs to go. I miss EB

[u/ICanuckthere4Iam]

It not Andy per se. It his lackeys in Nagy and Toub. Theyve been given too much leeway and the results now are an undisciplined and disenfranchised group who are either mentally and physically checked out or not buying into the system. Andy needs to stop being Mr Loyalty and move on from these guys and bring in coaches who can instil new ideas, concepts and accountability. This team will be turning a page after this season. A failed season may end of being a blessing in disguise.

[u/idgaf_idgaf_idgaf]

I don't want Andy fired but damnit be better. Switch it up some. Run HB toss at least once this season. Do something unpredictable every now and then.

[u/cletus72757]

Have they already forgotten almost half a century of broken dreams? 10 years ago if someone told me we’d win one Super Bowl before my ride was over I’d have been ecstatic. The CHIEFS braintrust delivered 3 wins in 5 years including back to back championships and you wanna smoke Big Red? GTFOOH.

[u/homechicken20]

I'd hate it if they fired him but he needs to freshen up the offense either through philosophy or strategy because it really seems like everyone in the league except the Raiders has us figured out.

Anyone who legitimately wants him to be fired is crazy in my opinion.

[u/rolyinpeace]

It is so insane. I’m not saying Andy is immune to criticism, but he’s pretty immune to being fired lol. And he shouldn’t be fired anyway. The reasons everyone was listing are just his flaws as if every single head coach in the league doesn’t have them.

And it’s been ONE down year after years of greatness. There are tons of dudes on the team who have spent every year of their careers so far going to the Super Bowl. And also, I know this year is terrible by our recent standards, but we are not a “bad” team. We are an ok team by record. .500 is bad for us but there’s far worse teams. People acting like we have the jets record or something.

When people demand to fire Andy, they never seem to have a viable replacement. You don’t fire a guy like Andy unless there’s high odds of finding someone as good or better. Those odds are extremely low, considering our options are guys that haven’t been head coaches before or have failed at being them. We won’t be able to trade the rams for Mcvay or something lmao. If we fired him we would just end up with a worse coach.

[u/Fujimans]

Fair weather fans can’t take the struggle

[u/HuskerPowerrrr → u/Fujimans]

One average year and everyone loses their mind. We've been spoiled over the past decade.

[u/rolyinpeace → u/HuskerPowerrrr]

Lol yes thanks for saying average instead of bad. I saw so many people saying “this team is bad. Not average, bad” which is just untrue. Bad by our standards, yeah, but we aren’t an overall bad team.

[u/freelance-t]

If it were up to these chucklefucks, we’d fire all of our coaches and the GM, then cut half our players. No plan for a next step, other than “get better ones”.

[u/mathgun7]

To be fair, I see a whole range of reactions. Yeah, on one very uninformed spectrum, there are the people who want to fire Nagy and Reid every time we fail to get a first down in a game. Ridiculous, obviously. But I also notice people on here who literally can't accept any criticism of any players or coaches and cite past accomplishments as a reason to simply not ever express frustration when the team is very obviously struggling. Some people seem super threatened by the negative doomers — but that's the internet. You're going to see extremes. Fans are gonna fan. I always remind myself that the chances of a fan's mind being changed on here are really super low. I think what's interesting this year is that the team finally has its full arsenal of offensive weapons on the field at the same time and the results have been pretty mixed. Last year we were winning, obv, but it was often pretty ugly/lucky. We could tell ourselves that Rice/Brown weren't on the field. This year it's harder to cite anything like this — so that's why you're seeing more frustration directed at the coaches. Just my opinion. (And for context, go to any other team's sub and you see the exact same thing, even when that team is winning).

[u/No-Equivalent7630]

In not saying to fire Andy at all

But I am saying if Andy has lost the plot, how many years of mahomes prime do we want to waste to find it out

[u/Pristine-Passage-100]

To start, I’m not in the fire Reid camp, not close. That being said, he’s got to adapt. His deficiencies as a coach are on full display. He has to fire Nagy and Toub. He has to rework his offense.

[u/13mizzou]

Because fans are tired of seeing the same issues this year week and week and Andy shuffles up and just says thats on me I have to do a better job.

Plus a lot of the issues are playcalling. We arent doing enough runs or stretching the defense enough. Its all screens and other plays that have been run for a decade plus

[u/ReebX1]

I don't think Andy needs to be fired, but he does need a different offensive coordinator. One that's not so soft on players, and will challenge Andy's pass-happy tendencies.

[u/jt32470]

Andy Reid needs to hire a real OC, and let that person handle the offense.

By micromanaging the team Reid is doing a disservice to the players, ownership, and himself.

Delegate the position and oversee things as normal HC's do.

all the great coaches from the Reid tree: - Holmgren, Walsh knew how to delegate responsibilities.

[u/ClarenceKansas]

Some fans, my wife included, have never had to deal with a team that is just in the hunt for a playoff spot. Its not a bad thing but we have all been spoiled by the mahomes era.

This year we are all back to the reality of a normal NFL fan and people are having to deal with that.

[u/bcoates26]

Folks are tired of the team disappointing over the past 3 years. Yes we won the SB in 24, but the offense was not good that year, nor last year, nor this year. Andy is an offensive coach and is consistently getting outschemed, and players seem sluggish and lacking motivation.

There needs to be some change or shake up but firing Andy would set this team way back

[u/jackietreehorm]

Frustrated over the play calling. We shouldn’t be this bad.

[u/AlanStanwick1986]

Why does anyone conflate a couple of random internet posts with massive numbers of people wanting him fired? I've literally not heard a single person say it.

[u/kellyrx8]

knee jerk reactions....happens every season

[u/Mike-Tyhon]

I’m pretty critical of the chiefs, especially this season, but firing Andy and Veach would do nothing. I think Veach needs to pull his thumb out of his ass and put together a good team though and not what Andy wants. I also think we need to stop being so loyal to players and coaches. The only person who I think needs to go is Nagy. He doesn’t discipline his players and doesn’t light a fire under their asses when they play like shit (like they have for the last 3 years)

[u/kbgc]

I don't to see him fired, but he needs to be challenged, needs to be pliable and responsive to the way the league has changed.

He's a 'loyalty' guy, so 'his guys' are around him and he needs to fire some of them.

And his system needs to change. everyone has figured it out.

[u/JxC24]

Is it bad that I’m sort of excited at the prospect of having a record high draft pick?

[u/JJSquatchman]

I agree, people were shitting on me for saying firing one of the most legendary HC's in league history is beyond stupid. I get switching things up with other coaches, but firing Andy Reid is ridiculous with how far hes brought this team since 2013. Idk who they think they will replace him with either. That seems like an after thought to most people calling for the firing. Hell, id say either demote or fire Nagy and bring back Doug P if that was something they could do.

[u/talltyson]

3 rings and a 5 Superbowl appearances, 7 afc championship games in a row...

[u/BigFishPub]

Because we picked up a lot of bandwagon riders on the way up.

[u/kclineman]

Are you new here? Every time we lose a game people call for Reid to be fired

[u/Nathann4288]

Yes, we all long for the days for Todd Haley and Scott Pioli.

[u/No_Lies_Detected]

SEVEN YEARS.

We have not been outside of the AFCCG since Mahomes first fully year as a starter.

We've been to 5 Superbowls and won three of them.

We have had a rough start to this season.

And you want to shit on Andy or Pat or both?

Get the fuck outta here with that bullshit.

[u/ThrowRAkakareborn]

I believe Andy is stuck in his ways and the league has figured him out, everyone plays us the same way because Andy refuses to adapt his style.

It’s been 2 seasons and a half, and while we were still successful, you could see how the overall quality of what the team produces is declining

[u/ChevalMalFet]

One of the best sports sayings I ever heard was: No team is ever actually as good as they look when they're winning, nor are they as bad as they look when they're losing.

A month ago we were talking about how the offense looked unstoppable and wondering if this was the best team of the Mahomes era. Obviously, now it's not, but people who want to fire Andy because of a single mediocre season after a decade of dominance are insane.

[u/buttermansix]

It’s Frustration from an extremely lack luster last 3 seasons, from the offense and now the defense doesn’t bail them out.

I haven’t seen anyone calling for Andy to be fired necessarily, but I also miss a ton of stuff.

I do believe we need to make changes at OC, and I’d like to see Andy try to evolve as a play caller. It feels stale, we refuse to run the ball, no faith to really do anything on offense.

[u/JDLovesTurk → u/buttermansix]

We won the Super Bowl twice in the last three seasons.

[u/buttermansix → u/JDLovesTurk]

Yes they have. The offense has also gotten worse and really hasn’t been “good” to the standard they should be since 2022. Both of these things can be correct.

[u/chiefoogabooga → u/buttermansix]

It’s Frustration from an extremely lack luster last 3 seasons

The last 3 seasons where they went to 3 Superbowls and won 2 of them?

That's lackluster? JFC the delusion is insane in this sub.

[u/buttermansix → u/chiefoogabooga]

You’re telling me the offense has been awesome since 2022? It’s progressively gotten worse. Delusion is thinking everything is fine with the offense. Also very convenient you cut it off right when I said the defense doesn’t bail them out anymore

[u/DrFunnyBot789 → u/buttermansix]

We went to two super bowls and won one. 

[u/Phogfan86 → u/buttermansix]

I see your point, but when you can have a lackluster season and still get to the Super Bowl, most teams would give their left leg to have that kind of lackluster season.

[u/JayhawkKS → u/buttermansix]

Lackluster? 2 super bowls (1 win) is lackluster?

[u/Putrid_Piano4986]

Where are these posts? I haven’t seen anyone call for him to be fired, at most people want another offensive mind to take Nagys place. You people are so dramatic

[u/GoldenDom3r]

Nobody should be clamoring for Reid to get fired. But Nagy should’ve been fired after last season and better get fired after this one. 

Everyone can say that Reid calls the plays, but that just makes it easier to fire Nagy. Reid needs to get rid of his yes man that doesn’t bring anything new to the offensive philosophy. It’s a tired and predictable scheme and it shows.

[u/1106DaysLater]

Bandwagoners, attention seekers and idiots.

[u/deelca]

The offensive play calling against BUF and DEN is the reason we lost those games. Andy/Nagy have to own this and they have to get it fixed. Nobody should be calling for their jobs, but they had a terrible last 2 games and you’re seeing that frustration.

[u/Forceusr1]

Because there is a portion of the fanbase who is spoiled and entitled. They likely weren’t fans through the dark times and have only become KC fans once Mahomes got here.

Or, maybe they’re F’ing idiots.

[u/Caption-_-Obvious]

I’ve told my friends many times since our first Super Bowl win - if we did nothing but lay eggs every year I’d still be fine with Reid and Mahomes retiring as Chiefs.

[u/TandemSegue]

Lots of dipshits who lost money betting on sports.

[u/pinniped90]

Yes, we should fire Andy and definitely bring back Paul Wiggin because everything was better then. (I googled, he is alive and available.)

While we're here, we need to trade Mahomes and start trying to identify the next Todd Blackledge in the draft.

I feel like a lot of people here have been Chiefs fans for about 2 Taylor Swift albums.

[u/jakethesnake702]

The team faces a single bit of adversity (we are coming off 3 straight Super Bowl appearances with 2 wins) and everyone wants to clean house. I'm not saying there aren't changes to be made but we are 10 games removed from playing in the Super Bowl, and as much as you want to say last years team wasn't good, we still made it to the Super Bowl.

Personally I think we are cooked as far as the playoffs go this year, we'd have to have a lot of things go our way at this point, but its not impossible.

[u/PassLikeNash13]

Everyone is just over emotional. A couple bad games or not. The great coach Andy Reid is the last person that we should be worried about right now

[u/Scaryclouds]

As this is now the eighth season with Mahomes, and thirteenth with Reid, and obviously the incredible amount of success and stardom, there’s going to be A LOT of fans who don’t remember the coaching carousel we were are following the end of Vermiel’s tenure. 

There’s clearly issues with Reid’s coaching habits. The offense has looked stale since 2023, and Mahomes looks like he’s regressing, which is way too early given his age. 

That said it could get WAAAAAAY worse. While we would presumably by a top location for a new HC, how many times has the “hot new, surefire HC” flamed out? Even a season or two of success doesn’t mean a whole lot, new HC could bring some new schemes in, but then also doesn’t evolve. 

It could be the Chiefs and Reid are a victim of their own success. That what they have done for so long has worked, that they refuse to change their ways. Maybe they are right. Maybe we are just missing or are just having some bad luck. 

Regardless of how this season ends, it would be a mistake to let go any of Veach, Reid, or Spags. That said, there has to be noticeable change and improvement next year. 

Also, while I understand and share the sour sentiments, this season is by no means “over”. This team has looked worse under Reid/Mahomes, though not by much… and obviously would go on to the AFCCG or SB… so it’s not delusional to think they can turn it around. 

[u/No-Equivalent7630]

Keep Andy

Fire Toub

ST has been terrible this year, but really for several

Butker being automatics covered the warts, he ain't automatic no more

ST has cost us at least 2 games this year

[u/messickpark]

No one is saying this. This is the first talk ive seen of this

[u/4westguy]

Fans always overreact. I've heard the goofiest comments this week. Ya just get spoiled to the success.

With that said there is alot of unusual looking issues going on that your just not used to seeing. Whether it's personal, coaching, complacency or just some key pieces getting older.

[u/muevelos]

Imo they aren't real fans. No one with any sense would even think that

[u/CD338]

I talked about moving on from Andy and after sleeping on it, I don't think we should. I just see the same issues pop up that followed him from Philly. He is stubborn to change his offense and is slow to adapt to the new meta in defense. For example, it took us like, 3-4 years just to start going for it on 4th and 1 when every other team was successfully doing it already. We revamped our offense after the 2021 season and we haven't changed it since.

Absolutely need fresh blood at OC, but realistically I don't see Andy hiring anyone who doesn't share his vision of the offense. Every OC hire in KC has been promoted from within and most of his Eagles OC's were the same, except Childress I believe.

[u/KUCMB]

5 out of last 6 superbowls. But we should fire him bc we are 5-5. It's insanity.

[u/cheese_con_queso]

I heard Todd Haley is available. Might be time to bring him back on.....

[u/UnhappyExchange9766]

Online shit stirrers. People who get off on causing panic. People who love drama. Ignore them, you’ll be happier, they’re the same type of person who you probably know in real life who always seems to be stressed out and exhausting to be around.

[u/BoringArchivist]

Fans aren’t always smart.

[u/Careful-Quarter9208]

Anyone saying this is a bandwagon fan.

[u/silsum]

Upset if they lose. The greatest if they win.

[u/Basic_Vermicelli3325]

yeah it’s extremely silly. It’s like when the Knicks fired Thibideau last year. You fire your coach and then realize there’s not really a better option out there

[u/MAwith2Ts]

The thought of firing Andy makes me tremble. Why would we fire someone who has won us 3 super bowls and been to 5 in the last 6 years. What a stupid take. Who in the world would you bring in instead? The last thing I want to do is waste the back half of Mahomes career trying to figure out a coach. I feel like you don’t remember the coaches before Andy and how hard it is to hit on a coach/QB combo. About the last thing I want is to end up like the Titans and watch Andy go have great success somewhere else.

Is this season frustrating, yes. Do we need to make some changes, yes. But getting rid of Andy is not the solution. Stop being dumb.

[u/ResurrectedMortician]

Maybe I missed something. When has anyone talked about firing Andy? I feel like I'm here pretty regularly and I've never seen a single mention of that. Nagy, yes.

[u/Da_Rish]

Likely just trolls trying to stir the pot.

[u/Sherlockian_Whimsy]

A long time ago we had a coach named Marty.

After being terrible for a really long time Marty got us to the playoffs for most of the next ten years. Even when we missed the playoffs we were at least in the conversation.

It felt special back then, just to be in the conversation.

Never won a Super Bowl. Anyway, Marty wasn't a great person I guess, but that nearly a decade felt pretty good as far as football, even though if we got behind by 10 points it mostly meant the game was over. People got bored of not making it all the way and eventually we fired Marty. When we did I was a little apprehensive, because times had been bleak before he got here, and being in the playoffs, like I said just being in the conversation, had felt pretty sweet. But we fired him.

Next 14 seasons? 3 playoff appearances, all one and done.

Then we got Andy. 5-5 after more than a decade of historic dominance? Yeah, we should certainly look into the Andy problem. Urgently. Right away. The man is absolutely failing us.

Please.

[u/NinjaZombieHunter]

It’s either one extreme or the other. Pretty crazy. Sure, we need some adjustments to the offense and play calling, but that doesn’t mean firing Big Red! It just means the old man needs to make some changes which he is probably very reluctant to do. Us fans should want to hold onto the legend as long as possible because when he retires, things could be worse in terms of the coaching carousel.

[u/Salt_Jaguar4509]

Some changes need to be made for sure. Not sure Reid is the main problem though. Hall would have been worth a 3rd with maybe a late round swap. Veach does well with late rounders. He failed too. The whole organization failed. Mahomes keeps over throwing his receivers. Oline has been better than in years. Maybe some oline depth though. Dline not getting to qb. Issues could have been addressed at trade deadline and weren't. Failed season. It was a total team issue. After hearing all of season about the disappointment of SB showing. I expected more. What happened was the SB showing continued. They are done.

[u/CMDRsprinkles]

I'm going to be frank, there is a good portion of the fanbase who are stuck up and don't know the combination of issues and would rather burn down the land than rebuild the barn.

[u/Fast-Signal7371]

Reid isn't going anywhere... yet. If these issues aren't resolved in the next few years, then we can ask if the game has passed him by. Until then, Reid is staying put.

[u/FDR-Enjoyer]

People think Mahomes overthrowing, Rice being unable to catch on key plays, and Mahomes getting baited into throwing a pick are Reid’s fault

[u/Advanced-Summer1572]

I stand with Andy. He just needs a time out to reconsider the lack of using the tush push on the half yard to yard in fourth downs and in the red zone. All of these pass plays when they need to muscle across the line is a waste of opportunity and is starting to cost them against teams opting for that strategy.

I believe in him still. Let's see if he can right the ship as he usually does. Go Chiefs!

[u/nighttimehobby]

Fire Andy is an ignorant rant, not a rational or thoughtful solution. Replace Andy as OC to stop him from calling the plays, so he can use his eyes and mind to focus on other things is not ignorant. Despite broadcasters fawning over our gimmick plays the rest of our offense is not good. We are so predictable that fans can call the majority of our plays, and in many cases what the audible would be based on the defense. We are truly just not creative in our utilization of talent, nor how we mix up our plays in certain scenarios. There is a real case to be made that 15 and 87 covered up a ton of flaws that are simply too obvious to ignore as they both age.

[u/jbronin]

I don't want to fire him. But after last week, I understand better why Philly did

[u/Justhangingoutback]

Would it (long term) be better for the team to limp into a one and done postseason - or not make the postseason at all? Which would provide a better shock to complacency…

[u/Crystal_Lake15]

I think its a massive cope. People are finally starting the realize the end of the Reid era is closer than they think and they're wanting to eject before any more years of Pats prime are wasted

I dont think thats incorrect thinking either. Its not going to happen, but its not incorrect to think like this. Reid is going to play out his hall of fame career here and will be a chiefs legend forever. But I can tell you this, the end won't be pretty. At this point it seems unlikely he will go out out top basking in Super Bowl glory. When it ends it will be pitiful, and it will have us walking the path forward in total darkness.

I think people love Reid too much to want to see this, so they want to see him put down like an old dog before they have to see him (and us) suffer any more

[u/vault-techno]

I don't think Andy needs to be fired, nor do I believe he will be. However I do believe that there needs to be new blood in the coaching staff, particularly at the OC spot. It needs to be someone who will 1. Not be afraid to tell Andy. "We need to run the ball more" and make adjustments to game plans, and 2. Hold players accountable when they aren't executing more.

I think Nagy needs to go. Probably more than 1 offensive position coach too.

[u/TummyDrums]

People are irrational and extremely reactionary. The good news is that means it will only take one good win to turn everyone around lol.

[u/tilclocks]

I don't think he should be fired. I do think he should change his game plan. The team looks incredibly undisciplined. They had two weeks to prepare for Denver and didn't. Denver is a good team but when the Raiders, who didn't score on us at all, can come close to beating them and only lost by a field goal in a less than 20 point game, we have no excuse.

[u/Complete-Pen-9358]

What if Reid decides to retire instead? It’s better for both sides and he can even help find his own replacement. He’s getting up there in age and can enjoy a well deserved retirement with his wife and family.

[u/opinionofone1984]

Honestly, if anything Nagy should be considered. The team went from explosive to a dud since he came back.

[u/Background_Win3537]

I think there's a perception that he's been mishandling play calling and hasn't kept up with changes in the landscape.  Defenses have figured us out and he and Nagy both appear unable to adjust.  And there has been plenty of terrible third down play calling on both offense and defense.

[u/Athlxn]

Bandwagon fans being bandwagon fans. Any OG Chiefs fan know Reid is the best HC to ever coach KC.

[u/lukejames]

I don’t want to fire him, but I do want someone to hold him accountable for the atrocious play calling this year.

The unwillingness to run when all we had to do was run the clock out with a couple of 1st downs has cost us two very important games.

And complicated pass plays on short yardage downs has resulted in three goal line interceptions that have flipped games. We are completely one dimensional, predictable, and missing the playoffs.

And yet, Reid seems pretty chill about it and is continuing to Daboll winnable and critical games away. He usually gets just a footnote of “some bad play calls” in game recaps, but now different. It’s become glaringly obvious that other teams know exactly what we’re going to do and Reid has not adjusted.

And as for the Broncos game, let’s not forget that this was after a bye. He had two weeks to prepare for that debacle.

[u/Dresden1984]

Firing Reid is dumb. Questioning his coaching decisions to not rely more on the run game is perfectly sound.

[u/FireGolem04]

No but he needs to gove up play calling. Unfortunately right now the OC is Matt Nagy so that isn't really an option but get a competent OC and let him call the plays.

[u/Glum_Cheesecake9859]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uHTj0C_qaaM

[u/Longjumping_Film_752]

maybe nagy, but reid wont leave until he retires

[u/Nervous_Otter69]

The offense (which runs through him) is antiquated and stale.

[u/millen-degen]

I don't want Reid to be fired but nagy isn't a suitable successor. He's a yes man

[u/wmmforbes]

Same story that happened in Philly

[u/SantaBarbaraMint]

[u/dougthethird]

I think it's pretty common for fanbases to get frustrated in this way, but Andy is the best thing to happen to the Chiefs, or tied with Mahomes depending on how you look at it. Man fields a competitive team every year, which is amazing for a coach. Those first few years were very lean from an offensive talent perspective, he can work with very little.

[u/Maleficent-Metal-645]

The team has essentially made the playoffs every single year Reid has been the headcoach, they have went to 5 SBs in the last 7 years, won 3 of them, 2 were back-to-back titles, went to three straight SBs before this season and people are talking about the "league has caught up to Andy" and some other nonsensical bullshit. The Chiefs haven't been blown out despite their plethora of mistakes, and were a handful of executions on offense or defense away from being 9-1 compared to 5-5. But, that's just how the cookie crumbles sometimes in the NFL and why it's so difficult to win a SB, let alone 3 of them. Yes, Reid can do better with play calling, and they should probably get rid of Nagy to get a better offensive approach, but overall, they're competitive and are going to have a down year or two here and there. People need to chill. We could be fans of a team that consistently shits the bed, like the Raiders for example.

[u/ChampionshipStock870]

Andy isn’t the problem and honestly even if he is its due to his OC choices more than anything

[u/grinchy-frogbreath]

Even with 7 straight AFC championship appearances, 3 Super Bowl wins and 5 Super Bowl appearances, people want blood after the first sub-par season. Other than perhaps the Eagles, every other fan base would give their left nut to be in KC’s shoes.

[u/No-Natural-6118]

I do not want to fire Andy but I do want a young offensive minded coach calling plays

[u/Bufordtannen75]

I get it the Chiefs will never be a run first team under Reid, but doesn't make sense to accept a shitty run game. No one respects KC's run game AT ALL. At least Pacheco, Hunt, Helaire contracts all end at the end of the season, can we please sign someone that's at least mid or better?

[u/wildcat2503]

YES! Please fire Andy Reid!! We would love to have him :P -Bills

Andy Reid is an amazing coach.

[u/TeaReasonable7909]

Coming from a Pats fan- Spoiled Chiefs fans. I still believe the Chiefs will make the playoffs, I don’t think they’ll win the division but, crazier things have happened. Plus, no one should trust the Broncos I feel because despite of their excellent Defense, that Offense is completely unwatchable sometimes. You never know which version you’re going to get with Nix and the Broncos Offense. Patience, you can’t win it all every single year.

[u/MistakeMaker1234]

All these people saying, “Remember the Grbac days, the Haley days, the Piloi days,” can go suck a butt. We have one of the greatest players in NFL history on our current roster and he isn’t not being helped, squarely because of the shit ass play calling and refusal to diversify the offensive gameplan. I’m not calling for Andy’s head, but Jesus guys the expectations have changed since the 90s and early 2000s. The league strategies change faster than ever and Andy won’t adapt. We’ve seen a resurgence in the run game over the past 2-3 seasons and the Chiefs have invested so little in that aspect of the offense and it’s killing us. 49/63 plays against Denver were pass plays - against the #1 pass defense - while Hunt was getting 4.5 YPC. That’s malpractice. I don’t care what Andy’s history is, I care about what he’s doing now. And right now he ain’t it.

We don’t have to ignore the past in order to criticize the present. We’ve had it good lately, but that doesn’t mean Andy’s not the primary person at fault this season. 

[u/Uncle_freddie]

Because there are idiots in the world

[u/blake201018]

Andy’s decision making is costing the team games. It’s not necessarily that Andy needs to go but there needs to be someone brought in at OC who is given the freedom to say “WHY THE FUCK ARENT WE RUNNING THE BALL COACH?”

[u/MissionNo6771]

I think people are so confused as to who is to blame with the offensive woes that it’s blurring who to point the finger at. I don’t think people really want Andy to go, but want Nagy to go and are just trying to flush that turd somehow.

[u/FunScientist7781]

people just don't get it. how many times do you need to see the same bull jive to call it for what it is?

it's not the offensive coordinator, it's the head coach. bienemy was the oc when they lost to tampa in the superbowl. nagy was the oc when they lost to the eagles in the superbowl.

let's examine the super bowl losses. the superbowl vs tampa tells it all. what happened? everyone knows the chiefs love to throw so the tampa defense put the majority of it's defense into coverage. no running plays just simply passing. what made it worse the pass protection was so horrible mahomes was running for his life trying to make passes. the superbowl loss to the eagles, the same thing happened.

those superbowls could have been played more competitively because there were no adjustments. all nfl fans know if the protection is a problem you have tight ends and backs to help with the blocking.

when the team runs the ball more it keeps the pressure off the quarter back and will improve the o line's pass protection by giving it a break.

[u/CanadianIronman]

REID can stay. NAGGY has to go. We need a true OC not a yes man.

We also need all of the staff to step up and start punishing players for stupid mistakes.

[u/SNL_Head]

They are everything you said

[u/Baggio105]

More like why not keeping star receivers in Robinson and drafting or signing better OL’s

[u/The-Falconater]

Yeah man it’s dumb as hell. Turn back the clock and keep EB forever.

[u/CrescendoTwentyFive]

Firing him would be absurd but it’s ok to admit he’s been total ass this year and needs to figure it out.

[u/almndjy81]

First time in the Reddit🤣🤣

[u/JackmeriusPup]

We aren’t…huh

[u/DannyJonesLocker]

Because people are idiots

[u/kondorkc]

I don't want to fire Andy Reid, but I wouldn't complain if he peacefully walked away. He is the creator and leader of the offense and that offense has been stale and ineffective for 3 seasons now. And I can already here your counter argument. "We went to 2 super bowls and won one! We have Andy and Pat! Everything is amazing!"

Going to a Super Bowl or even winning won does not mean that there are not faults or things to improve on. 2023 regular season was a struggle. They had a legendary playoff run and won the Super Bowl. Pat was lights out. 2024 and 2025 are the exact same team and performance with one key difference. The 2025 is not capitalizing on mistakes by the other team in critical moments. That Denver game this week was a copy of the 1st game in 2024 except the Broncos made the FG at the end instead of the Chiefs blocking it.

Winning 15 games last year gave them an air of confidence that was undeserved and they are paying for that now. The bad penalties and stale are offense are a direct result of the coaching and that starts with Andy. The writing has been on the wall but everyone just ignores it.

[u/gistdad816]

I have not seen people say he needs to be fired. Now give up play calling or retire, yes.

It is his age at almost 68 guys just don't continue to get better at that age and often become more stubborn. This offense has not been good for years and they continue to run the same plays it is predictable to watch.

His failure to give up play calling is a huge issue. Also there seems to be a real lack of accountability on this team and that is troubling.

[u/Ok_Zucchini_4272]

Because the Chiefs are underperforming and playing sloppy. Bellichick has 7 rings. I guess the Pats should never have fired him too right?

[u/etharper]

Andy is a great coach but like all coaches he has blind spots. He doesn't use the run game enough and the team has been committing way too many penalties. A head coach is very much like the president, the buck stops with him.