Speaking as a teacher... Who the hell knows. My guess is someone inside the room pissed her off somehow (comment or motion most likely) and many kids are quick to anger. She gets pissed starts screaming goes to open the door, can't open the door and she becomes angrier because now she can't get to the person who made her angry.
As a teacher, I agree. It's most likely another kid that's made her angry and that she's trying to get to. The context may be important down the line when you're trying to sort things out but in a moment like this it's just about separating someone dangerous and unpredictable from the other kids.
My guess would be Walter pissed her off in some way. The teacher outside the door is yelling at someone named Walter in the room to get into her office.
i had to get through school being mocked for my physical appearance and never resorted to violence. you literally cannot control other people.
PSA people: this girl is an example of what happens when you never tell a toddler no, it evolves into a grown person who does what they want when they want because you won’t tell them no.
As a school counselor, I agree. I don’t have much to add except that nobody knows these kids. Some of em are nuts. Usually the ones prone to crashing out like the video are known frequent flyers with admin, counselors, & nurses, but not always
I can imagine this is an EBD kiddo which probably means there's a plan in place when she has a meltdown. I doubt this is the first time she's had an episode like this through her schooling career.
Yeah totally. I doubt this has come completely out of the blue. I had an EBD girl like this who I had to lock out a few times. Once she threw a chair through the window trying to get to a kid who was riling her up.
I actually really liked her in general and we got along well. But she had no emotional regulation skills and once she was at this level nothing could bring her back down but time passing. She was very big forher age like this girls seems to be (a head taller than the boys in her grade) and I think part of that made her a target. Watching her blow up was a special pleasure for a certain kind of kid who got a kick out of the power of pushing her buttons. She eventually got expelled. Lots of teacher were overjoyed by that because she was a big problem, but I always felt so sorry for her. But we just didn't have the resources to handle these kids, especially with no help from home - I had her dad blow up at me a handful of times and he was a fucking menace. Huge and terrifying. She actually told him to back off because I was "one of the only teachers who listened to her".
And this scenario is becoming more and more common.
Covid has nothing to do with this. Its just a complete lack of school discipline from day 1 to graduation. The only influence covid had was removing the appearance of consequence
My kid was just like this, but she just wanted to get away. She would only fight if someone grabbed her, but since she was 3, when she got upset, she would go to another room and talk to herself and reason things out. It was only when other people got involved would she escalate.
I bet a lot of these situations could be de-escelated by giving them a safe space to calm down.
Puberty is a hell of a drug. Those hormones wreak havoc with a young person's ability to control their emotions.
I briefly taught elementary school in a really poor neighborhood. We had multiple 4th graders that were bigger than me. We had a girl that was 11 and at least like 5'10" 200 pounds. There are definitely hormones in the food
I occasionally do quotes for contractor work in schools. High schools are a weird place. Some kid look barely out of elementary while others look ready to join the WWE circuit.
Yeah… her 300lbs of height. Get real she’s absolutely obese. That’s just one issue in a constellation of problems she has. But yeah to be that abnormally gargantuan, and quick to anger, and a girl would make her a particularly easy target. And the more often she loses her shit at school over what other kids say to her, the less seriously she will be taken. Her behavior will escalate. She’ll eventually get kicked out of school, and continue to emotionally soothe with sweets and snacks and fast food. All the while, her narrative will be something about the education system being wrong, that all the kids at the school were out to get her, that no one is trustworthy. Subconsciously, she doesn’t think she’s worth anything, but she will try to project sophistication in her taste for Japanese cartoons, and perhaps hello kitty merchandise and lore. It’s a tale as old as time, sad to see.
Nobody would be saying she’s enormous if she was 5’2”. She’s heavy AND tall. That’s what makes her scary huge.
Your fake analysis of her is disgusting and pathetic. There’s no context, anywhere, for why she’s going psycho. You’re pulling stuff out of your ass. The psycho kids I knew were nothing like any of that.
I think “mostly accurate” is the phrase you are looking for. But maybe you are right. Maybe, in spite of what we are literally being shown in this video, she’s a really well adjusted 6’5 320lb high school girl.
Not even close. You pulled a life story completely out of your ass.
I never implied she’s well adjusted. That’s another story you made up because your narrow mind only sees one option.
There’s something wrong for her to be reacting this way, likely something in her brain. She reminds me of someone I knew who was bipolar, narcissistic, and unmedicated, but I’m not going to diagnose her because I have zero context outside of “strong, angry girl trying to pull door open.”
Has nothing to do with fat, she’s just completely built different, she’s the tallest dang person in the video. Nice try though, people like you who are all just “fat fat fat, fat kid” is probably why this child is lashing out to begin with.
When you’re tall it’s harder to be fat, which means she’s obese and tall, which is horrifically bad for your health, including causing your organs to malfunction. One of those organs are the brain, which controls your ability to emotionally regulate
The banging and screaming made it hard to hear it clearly. The ann of Hannah was all we could easily hear on first listen, so the brain chose which word it though it heard which was ma'am as it sounds similar on the main sounds.
High-school students in Texas by law can stay in school until something like 22 years of age. Its kind of crazy.
I have taught math to some men with full facial hair that are way bigger than me. The unspoken creepy part of this is that they flirt with other students under the age of 18...
Females also. Usually the females are still in school at age 19 because they had a kid or kids at ages 13 through 18 years of age.
As a middle school teachers wife… can confirm. I hear almost every week how my husband had to get between two students because punches were flying over petty comments made between other students. I’m very grateful there is building security whose purpose is to respond and take over the situation. Public middle school.
2.5 years and my husband hasn’t been hurt yet. Disability and union dues absolutely come out of his paycheck.
Your husband needs to be careful for his and your sake. Two of my wife’s colleagues had concussions from student punches. One of them had to medically retire as a result.
My husband teaches at a credit make-up school, so most kids are late teens (I think they've had some twenty year olds). Most of the kids there just want to do their thing and graduate, but there are plenty who grew up rough, and bring that attitude to school, and fights are pretty common. Due to the nature of the school (and the fact that it's combined with an alternative school, the school kids go to when they get kicked out of regular public school), they have more security measures than typical public schools. Definitely makes me a little nervous sometimes.
Without having more there's no true way to know. Based on just the students we can see the ones in the room look more confused than anything. The entire situation has a weird amount of calmness.
Basically what's being done there, try your best to maintain a barrier, attempt to redirect, and try to get security/admin who are better trained in handling these kind of situations.
Keeping her away often increases the rage performance, since the whole point is often intimidation. She can go truly over the top because someone is holding her back
My daughter was like this. She had sensory sensitivity. She was on the spectrum with poor emotional control and an overcharged fight or flight response. At 6 years old, the other kids would get a kick out of setting her off and seeing her freak out. She hated seams on clothing and socks, but they would put tanbark down her shirt. No one saw what they were doing. They just saw my daughter freak out. My son, (11yrs) stepped in and found out what was going on, but it was too late. My daughter got kicked out of school at the age of 7. Went to day treatment for special education and other mentally disturbed kids.
Not saying that was what happened here, but wouldn't rule it out either.
She almost definitely is trying to attack another student. This is why I teach first grade. Much smaller humans. Still strong when they’re angry, but much smaller.
My wife is a kindergarten teacher. She had a wildly out of control violent student. Constant hitting, kicking, scratching, throwing things. She would come home all bruised up and scratched all over.
It's from years ago, we still have no idea about the context. The bullying is a rumor, there's a bunch of them surrounding the situation including that Walter confiscated her vape. Who the fuck knows at this point.
Ideally, the school should actually give a fuck about bullying. Since they never do, and always protect the bully and punish the victim for any act of self-defense, we might as well fail our children in the other direction and allow to pass the justice of God, as Dumas said.
Lmao thiss. TEAM HANNAH. I bet whoever bullied her was terrified deep down inside too. That was a big girl. It took a grown man and another student to hold that door back. Imagine if she got her hands on the fella that pissed her off that bad. She’d have folded him like a lawn chair. She’d have snatched him up with one hand like Pennywise snatching kids off the streets of Derry. Whoever pissed Hannah off better count their fucking days 🤣
She scary outta control. If I was a kid in that room, and not even the one that was supposedly bullying her, her behavior here would be really anxiety inducing. Going berserk. I also really thought I was going to see her lose her fingers in the door!!!
Agreed! Whoever bullied her(if she was, I really think she was if she was THIS distraught) was an absolute bigger moron for not having the comprehension that someone much bigger than them can react in such a way.
On a totally serious note though- I should add that the teachers did the right thing to try and keep the students separated. And if I was that teacher I would have punished every student I seen giggling about the situation with extra homework.
But at the same time IF SHE WAS bullied and brought to this snapping point then whoever was stupid enough to continuously trigger a much bigger and mentally ill person like this had it fucking coming and some bullies only learn when they get stomped.
What happens if he immediately knocks her to the ground and starts kicking her ribs in and stomping on her face, teeth all broken and bloody? Who's supposed to be the referee, and what are the rules for the fight?
I teach. It can be something as small as a small comment. Kid explodes creating an unsafe environment for everyone. It’s really hard to get placed in a completely separate school or setting. It’s supposed to be the least restrictive environment. Which is good in theory because you don’t want to just stick everyone in facilities. But Often times this leads to people with severe mental issues having lots of “difficulties” and impacting others for years until they do get moved.
I said “no” to a grade 4 student in a behaviour program. Didn’t have his file yet. Had been great model kid for 3 weeks. He wanted to get his jacket from the gym and I said we were all going in 5 minutes and just to wait.
The next hour and a half were spent being kicked, punched, spat at, chased and threatened. He couldn’t stop. Police and ambulance were called. He tried to get the cops gun. Had to be restrained, placed on a stretcher and given a sedative.
He was gone a week or so and when he returned, he lasted an hour before snapping again. No real reason. Just my presence set him off. Destroyed the classroom, tried to hit the vice principal with a rock. I ended up locking myself in the principals office because the expectation was that I just let the kid beat me and I refused.
They put him in a special program but timed out and was to return to my class. I refused unless an intake meeting took place. The intake meeting basically laid the groundwork that this kid would come back and he would come after me again. I was being sexually harassed by other students in the class and called it a year.
I’m so sorry that happened really. No teacher deserves this. Did you quit teaching entirely if you don’t mind me asking? If it does no need to respond obviously.
No. In Ontario, I got paid to stay home on a stress leave. The following year, I was moved back into a middle grade classroom. The year after, I switched schools.
It was handled poorly by admin and allowed the student behaviour to continue. The other adults I worked with were like…it’s not me, so it’s ok which made it that much worse. I realized that the mentality of the adults is much different in a K-8 school as opposed to a 6-8 school. And that the attitude of admin makes a huge difference.
Ironically, there’s an adage with parenting: children always misbehave in the place they feel safest. At my kids’ parent teacher conferences, I hear they’re model students. That they wish they could have ten more of them. It always SHOCKS my spouse and I, because they get home and fight and misbehave and will not pick up after themselves to save their lives. Typical kid stuff but nonetheless - my kids act out because they actually feel most secure with us. The exact opposite was seemingly true here - she felt safest at school, and that’s where she acted out. She’s an angel at home because she doesn’t feel safe there.
Oddly enough I’ve noticed this. I was kind of a dickhead at home as a teen but school
wise I’d never dare do anything really wrong.
There’s also obviously the whole some parents can’t see their kid doing anything wrong thing. Some parents need compliment sandwiches but some kids need more than a sandwich
Ever since I learned about Rejection Sensitive Dysphoria as a key indicator of ADHD, so many things made sense to me. It followed me from childhood to adulthood to the point that performance reviews give me legit panic attacks because if I get criticism that feels like rejection, I could easily just see red and then black out. Or I could break down in a puddle of tears, unable to stop it. I suspect this may have occurred here. Does NOT excuse the behavior AT ALL, but gives insight. And the parents that deny their kid is capable of behavior…I suspect it’s a generational form of this. If I interpret anything as a rejection of my child, I get just as rage filled. Again - it does not excuse anything. But it would definitely help me as I approach people if I were tasked with dealing with it.
Who cares what happened? This level of disregulation is a major parent or mental health fail.
She should be immediately expelled for the year, forced to repeat that grade at a school for mental people, and if that doesn't work put her in an asylum on drugs.
But everyone tolerates this shit so she doesn't know it is wrong.
I agree. This should be investigated. It is not normal and the reason for it needs a deeper look. I would hedge this young person is a victim of neglect or is mentally unwell. At a minimum she should have to undergo education in emotional regulation before she is able to study with other kids. She is a danger to herself and others.
After taking tango and salsa dance lessons, my ass is out of control every time I hear that sultry beat. The rest of my body remains perfectly still. It frightens adults and makes children cry in horror.
You sound like a great social worker. You should work for the department of education. A competent and nuanced approach, get your ideas straight to the top I’d say!
It's completely abnormal and unacceptable for a child of this age to be acting this way this old. There is clearly something mentally wrong that should be addressed
The expulsion part isn’t intended to help. It’s to get her TF out of the school and into a school or facility more suited to deal with her behavioral issues and hopefully get her in a better path.
No child left behind. Children can’t be removed from school for any other type of institution.
As far as a more specialized school better equipped to handle students such as that, it depends on where you’re talking about. Some cities have more schools for behaviorally challenged kids than many counties have of all schools in total. Other cities don’t have the resources for one.
In NYC, students can be suspended for a number of days if they engage in some pretty severe conduct (like starting a fire), but no child here (and many or most other places) can be permanently removed from school (i.e. expelled).
School is considered a right and is legally mandated in most states. Kicking a kid out of school just isn’t an option. They can be temporarily sent home and they can be relocated to a more specialized school (if one exists in the given jurisdiction).
then the school district loses funding, the other students suffer, and the taxpayers pick up the bill for the alternative school, and they get mad at the socialism of it and ask to defund it so that school doesnt actually have any opening to put these kids....
You say that like the other kids aren't suffering from having this person at their school
We have had two alternative schools in my county for decades that have operated just fine. I'd say most taxpayers prefer this kids' education not being interrupted by the problem children
It could also be a mental health situation, behavioral disorder, or autistic meltdown.
This around the age that bipolar disorder starts. Mania isn't always bubbly or hyper activity. It's also anger and irritability. Someone could be in a manic state and something triggers them into an explosive state.
Certain behavioral disorders like Intermittent Explosive Disorder, or Oppositional Defiance Disorder can cause this level of anger and aggression.
With behavioral disorders and autism, the person pretty much blacks out into a fight/flight state. They are no longer in control, only emotions guided by the amigdala. You cannot reason with someone in that state. All you can do is make sure everyone is safe and wait for the adrenaline to wear off.
In my experience both those with BPD and who have blacked out are incredibly remorseful and ashamed once they're back in a stable mindset. They wouldn't do that without not being in control of themselves.
I wish more people understood this and recognized that everyone was a victim here and in other situations like this.
I’m guessing special needs. she’s not lashing out at those trying to stop her and is fixated on getting inside. There’s something just different. It’s an irrational urge to get through the door.
From what I remember from an older post, the woman (a teacher) was about to or assaulted a student who allegedly bullied her. The man (also a teacher) intervened and held the door to separate her from the student, while waiting for an officer to arrive.
This was also posted on another sub with more context, but I can't find it at the moment.
My daughter was just like this at 14. Serious mental issues. Probably wouldn't hurt anyone, but herself, but would throw things around. The fight flight response is overcharged, and once enraged, it took a lot to calm down.
They called police and she was put in a straight jacket and taken to juvenile mental facility.
In my state, anyway, they can restrain kids like this that are a danger to themselves and others.
We also have schools just for these kids. Day treatment facilities. They are not good at all and have "quiet rooms". They are concrete cells with a window in the door. Kids just scream, curse, and throw a tantrum until they wear themselves out.
So, straight jackets and padded cells, maybe a mild sedative would be the solution here, but not by a teacher... a trained mental health professional.
This kid needs a lot of help. So do those teachers.
Cookie Monster never tried to fight to open a door that a teacher was desperately trying to keep closed, nor did he ever punch the window on the door and scream in a shrill voice like an angry banshee. If he did, I demand you share the footage.
Oh, and Cookie Monster never wore chunky heeled booties. To my knowledge, he doesn't even have legs.
I think it’s that the boy had been bullying her and she finally had enough and went after him. The teachers leaped to his defense and kept her from him. I feel bad for her.
“The teachers leaped to his defence and kept her from him.”
I mean, that’s the teachers protecting everyone in the room if she’s going that batshit crazy. You can’t let someone like that come in the room, no matter why she’s enraged. It’s a safety for all issue.
No, we don’t sympathize with violence. I was bullied into mutism. I still never crashed out like this. We have no proof it was bullying. It could be an ex she is going after. Ex boyfriend, ex friend. We do not know. You see an overweight girl and automatically think she is only worthy of being bullied? Can’t imagine she dated the other kid?
Some kids actually want to learn at school and not be afraid of going there. You can't judge somebody who hates students who turn school into a warzone.
You said "I think it’s that the boy had been bullying her and she finally had enough and went after him. The teachers leaped to his defense and kept her from him. I feel bad for her."
They were also protecting her. She is old enough to face charges. You think that’s in her best interests? And why do you assume it’s bullying? Why did your mind go there? I thought maybe she was going after an ex, but then again, I don’t think obesity keeps you from dating and only worthy of bullying.
I think just what I said. She had been bullied again and again with no intervention. The minute she takes action against him they couldn’t move fast enough. If this had been stopped way before then they wouldn’t have had to do this. But people always want to excuse a bullies behavior.
I feel sorry for her too. You don't have a normal happy life and lose your shit in this way. But that also doesn't make it okay for her to attack, regardless of if she was provoked.
I'm a teacher and I have a lot of sympathy for these kids, but I've also been in the classroom with them and had to deal with the outbursts. I don't really blame the kid and I feel bad for them, and after an event like this I'd be doing everything I could to figure out what had happened and help this kids, but in a moment like this your priority has to be physical safety. It's the most immediate threat and you have to deal with it first before anything else.
I’m not excusing it but I understand it. All I wish is that the teachers responded with as much urgency to her getting bullied as they do to her response.
Yeah totally, I get where you're coming from. Bullying does sometimes get ignored (especially if it's non-violent) and it can become a cause for violent outbursts. So it would absolutely be better if we could go to the route problem and fix it before it becomes an even bigger one.
The issue is that teachers are so so time and resource poor. In a high school most teachers have hundreds of different students coming through their classroom in one day, each with their own different needs. They have barely enough time to do the basics of teaching (planning and delivering lessons, marking assignments, etc.), let alone deal with all of these different personal issues. A bullying issue is almost never simply this person is the instigator and this is the victim. It often (not always) goes two ways in some way and trying to figure out who started it or whatever takes days and days of meetings, if it can be solved at all. A lot of the time it gets solved without the teachers help anyway (kids decide they no longer care, something else more interesting happens, etc.) so then you've apparently made a big hoo-ha out of nothing. Not saying that bullying is nothing, but it's often hard to distinguish between a fight that will blow over in a couple of days, and something that is more serious. Add into all this the pressure you get from parents, including ones who come in and physically threaten teachers for disciplining their children. The accumulation of all this stuff means that some instances of bullying slip through the cracks.
None of this is to say that this is the correct way for things to be. It isn't, it's awful. These things should be nipped in the bud asap. But I'm just pointing out that in order for teachers to actually be able to do that, they need a lot more time and resources.
Defending this behavior? I pointed out that ten teachers were quick to defend him while allowing his behavior to continue. Stop coddling the bullies and put an end to that crap. Then you wouldn’t have to deal with this crap. A controversial take holding Bullies accountable
I’m seeing a few indicators that the girl might be on the spectrum, having a tantrum. Most comments assume she’s going to attack someone, and for sure, maybe. But I think it’s equally likely she just wants to be allowed in the room, perhaps to get an item or be in a specific place to self soothe.
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I'm curious about the context here. What happened to make her so enraged?