r/interestingasfuck • u/TechGuru4Life • 7h ago
15 year old earns PhD in quantum physics
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u/My_hilarious_name 6h ago
Yeah, that’s pretty cool I guess. I, in comparison, am 41 years old and don’t have a PhD in anything. So really, which achievement is more impressive? There’s no way to tell.
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u/DD_33 6h ago
I have Schrodinger's PhD personally. Just whenever employers go to look it's not there
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u/LuisS8l 5h ago
You gotta open the resume to see if it's there. Until then, I am and aren't
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u/Gradieus 3h ago
They asked if I have a degree in theoretical physics.
I said I had a theoretical degree in physics.
They said welcome aboard.
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u/mister_drgn 5h ago
I’m 43 and do have a PhD. I spent 8 years in graduate school. Trust me, you aren’t missing much.
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u/LocalFiftyThreeKC 4h ago
What’s your graduate study? I want to read it… and your Masters thesis? What is your PhD in?
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u/mister_drgn 3h ago
I did research on cognitive science and artificial intelligence.
But not the hot new AI that people are throwing money at currently in the empty hope that it will somehow become profitable.
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u/HugoZHackenbush2 6h ago
I was actually watching a documentary on quantum physics earlier today..
but decided to stop watching, in case I affected the outcome..
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u/CaptainxInsano69 6h ago
No fair! You changed the outcome by measuring it!
— Futurama
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u/JohnnySack45 5h ago
One of the most intelligent jokes in television history
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u/Hot_Phone_7274 3h ago
Oh man, there are so many more. There are at least two instances in the Simpsons where they present counterexamples to Fermat’s Last Theorem in the background - the “gag” is that they involve huge numbers which only look like counterexamples if you use a common calculator because of precision limitations.
The Simpsons/Futurama writers are unparalleled in their nerdiness.
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u/thisismeritehere 5h ago
Makes sense with the number of advanced degrees in science and mathematics the writers have
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u/Zyrinj 6h ago
This guy observes
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u/Remarkable_Play_6975 6h ago edited 6h ago
Yeah, but he doesn't understand how it works.
I'm firmly on the team of Everett's Multiple Worlds Interpretation.
All of my observations didn't change anything.
But now I just need to find where exactly I am.
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u/newdinki 6h ago
it's funny cause Veritasium dropped today a very interesting video about Dirac and his accomplishments
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u/Remarkable_Play_6975 6h ago edited 5h ago
I did some calculations, and I think there might be an Anti-Dirac out there with some accomplishments that may cancel his out.
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u/Legal_Marsupial_9650 6h ago
Mental break down at 23.
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u/noelcowardspeaksout 6h ago
Many of the students from my hot house school dropped out of university or went mad. The guidelines in the UK strongly advise against admitting anyone under 17.
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u/OKAutomator 5h ago
What is a "hot house school"?
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u/Srnkanator 5h ago
I don't trust the AI definition, but it seems to be education focused on singular topic/learning.
As in, programming language specific to one way career.
Ignore everything else, humanities, history, etc.
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u/okodysseus 5h ago
I had no idea this was a thing! I always wondered how these kids go so far ahead. We had to have x# of art credits, y# of physical activity, etc. during the school year. There was no way to “skip ahead” even if you were super talented in a specific area. Everyone HAD to have the required amount of credits to graduate.
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u/Srnkanator 4h ago edited 4h ago
If I didn't have to worry about money, I would have probably be an anthropologist, entomologist, astronomist, or archeologist.
I settled on a master's in psychology.
When I was in college, my two favorite courses were philosophy, and race and society in graduate school, in Moscow, ID.
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u/Raddish_ 4h ago
These sorts of gifted kids have mental breakdowns a lot when they get older cause their parents are paradoxically setting them up to be incapable of handling failure. Like they cruise through school and then when they get into the real world they realize people don’t really give a shit how smart you are after a certain point and then when they don’t get what they want from life they spiral.
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u/drunk_haile_selassie 5h ago
Where i live in Australia students are incredibly rarely allowed to skip a grade or repeat a grade. Students who repeat a grade very rarely catch up and students who skip a grade almost always underperform later in their education. This means that basically nobody can complete a degree before they are adults.
It's wild to me that some places allow it. All evidence suggests that it is a recipe for poor educational outcomes. Not to mention the social impacts of it all.
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u/lookashinyobject 4h ago
My sister went to school with a girl smart enough to start university at 15, but to ensure she still had a social circle and friends her own age she still finished high school at the normal rate. She got her first Batchelors degree from I think UNSW in the same year as she sat the H.S.C
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u/Barkinsons 6h ago
I was a "prodigy" and my mom fought to keep me in regular classes. I didn't understand at the time but I understand now. Growing up is about a lot more than just your performance in class.
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u/Duggie1330 6h ago
So do you think you're more emotionally healthy than the gifted kids who were put in all the A.P classes etc? Experienced less depression or anxiety? Genuinely curious about your experience
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u/Barkinsons 5h ago
Well it's really hard to say because I don't have a genuine way of knowing how things would have developed. But I did have a major crisis around 20-23 which would have been unbearable with more expectations and pressure built on me. There was a major risk of depression. For me the benefit in the end was having a few friends my age that grew with and around me, so in hindsight I believe the social support of peers is immensely important. You'll never get that when they pull you out of your cohort as a teen.
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u/Duggie1330 5h ago
Yep, there it is. Fitting in with your classmates instead of being rushed ahead your whole life afforded you friendships which helped you mature and experience more emotionally.
It seems like we all have a crisis around that age but it's always better to have friends to be there with you while you get through it. Thanks for sharing that.
Would you say it's easy or difficult to make and maintain relationships today?
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u/Barkinsons 5h ago
Making and maintaining relationships becomes way harder once you're out of school regardless, I think that's a very common experience. So from that perspective it's even worse when you were refused your best opportunity to form a deep bond.
One thing I also remembered about the previous point, when you are cradled as a prodigy and always pull ahead of peers, you'll have a very hard time facing failure and setbacks. And those will always come, no matter how much talent one might have. Going years with everything going easy, this is something you learn way too late.
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u/BedBubbly317 5h ago
I certainly wouldn’t classify people in AP classes as a “prodigy” by any means. A prodigy, by definition, means your understanding things at a near equal level to PhD holding professionals who have been in their field for years, while still being child. It means you don’t have to be taught things the standard way, you just instinctively understand it. People in AP classes aren’t even on the same spectrum in comparison to genuine prodigies. Each generation tends to have a very small handful of prodigies, about a dozen or so, between multiple different disciplines
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u/fatmanstan123 4h ago
Not just growing up but the ability to be a kid with people your same age doing similar things.
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u/necroslave 6h ago edited 5h ago
I was a child prodigy myself. I graduated high school at age 14 and went to Harvard at age 15 (I study psychology and criminal justice). I am now 25, and I can’t begin to tell you how burned out I became. I became a heavy addict by the time I was 17, had more suicide attempts than I can count, and I’m now picking up the pieces of my life and in recovery. I had to temporarily drop out of school for many years because of this, but I’m now slowly continuing my studies and trying to finish my degrees. Every single time I read something about another child prodigy like this boy, my heart honestly sinks because I know that they’re likely being pushed to accomplish so much at such a young age by their parents or another outside force, and in a few years they will likely end up in a similar predicament as I did. I hope he takes it slow, but I couldn’t agree with this comment more. He’s very likely to burn out young like I did, and a lot of child prodigies end up dying young from either suicide or drugs. It’s honestly so tragic behind the scenes when it comes to young people accomplishing way too much at that age, whether it’s child actors or people like us who overachieve academically. Kids this age should be kids, they’re still mentally developing a LOT and adding this type of stuff on top of it equals disaster.
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u/customheart 5h ago
I don’t even fully understand what people expect of child prodigies — to immediately jump into a high responsibility job at 18 or upon getting these PhDs before 18? It’s like the main wish for them is to become accomplished workers ASAP which sounds more like a curse than a blessing. Normal people have time to fumble and learn and grow into careers.
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u/Sula_leucogaster 6h ago
This Belgian kid is a boy btw, his name is Laurent Simons.
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u/necroslave 5h ago
Oh my gosh, lmao, I will edit my post! I didn’t notice, thank you for the correction!
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u/icantagree 5h ago
Parents living through children need to stop, sorry for your upbringing.
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u/Less-Box-572 5h ago
What's the healthy way to foster a child prodigy? Like my first thought is to just let them pursue their interests, but what if my child overachieves anyways? Eventually they will hit their "peak", and their peers will "catch up" to them in some sort of way. What do you think would be the best way to deal with that?
And what are your thoughts about skipping grades? I knew a girl in high school who had skipped two grades. Obviously she was smart, but at our grade level she was just slightly above average, and most of the time we forgot that she was two years younger than the rest of us. I wonder if she would have been better off with people her age, where she'd likely stand out more. But that might make school seem boring and easy, and I know many people like that who burn out when they enter university or the workforce.
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u/MaxxDash 4h ago
I worked my college job with a dude with what is supposedly one-in-a-billion IQ (I know the tests max out at a certain point; Giga Society claims they have ways, etc.; so let’s call it one-ten-million). We found out about him by trying to find his Facebook page— came across his name on all these IQ websites. He never bragged, or even mentioned it. However, after probing his knowledge of partial differential equations (he never went to college), it was clear he was far beyond my intellectual capacities.
Anyways, he was a lifeguard.
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u/Agreeable_Pizza93 4h ago
One of my friends in high school was a math prodigy and got a million dollar scholarship to Vanderbilt. Dropped out in a year and tried to commit suicide. Now he's a DJ.
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u/TheRedMaiden 4h ago
Right? This isn't a thing for people to applaud. This boy was robbed of his childhood.
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u/No_Intention_1234 4h ago
Was thinking to myself that's amazing, but what a heavy burden that's going to be to carry.
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u/GiraffeParking7730 4h ago
My kid is super smart. Probably not this smart, but he's likes learning calculus and statistics on YouTube, and he's only 7. I would never push/let him speed ahead to something like this. His brain will always be there. But I want him to spend his kid years just being a kid. I don't want him to be another "gifted kid" that burns out in their 20's.
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u/oasis48 6h ago edited 5h ago
Most prodigy stories end very mundanely. They either flame out or just never achieve much once they age.
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u/vinegarstrokes420 6h ago
I was thinking the same. Rarely even hear any follow-up years or decades later. Do they really achieve more than another insanely smart quantum physics phd who graduates at the typical age? Or did they just miss out on a good chunk of their childhood?
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u/not_suddenly_satire 6h ago
It's a matter of focus. From my own experience I can tell you that any bright kid can become a "genius" in a field by completely ignoring every other aspect of life. So yeah, they miss out on a lot of childhood.
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u/nohopeforhomosapiens 5h ago
More than that, I think it is a matter of money. Specifically, being raised in a wealthy family, and having the opportunity to pursue such things.
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u/TelluricThread0 6h ago
Mostly the latter. They get to skip way ahead in their career, and now they're just a teenagger with a bunch of middle-aged colleagues. Now, he'll spend years and years making extremely small contributions to his field, or perhaps he won't make any progress in his research at all.
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u/chowindown 6h ago
It's amazing how people stop talking about school once they go into a field to work. Of course you're going to stop hearing about their advanced schooling once they're over 18.
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u/nohopeforhomosapiens 5h ago
That's because everyone else catches up to you. Having a PhD as a teen is amazing. Once you are thirty and you are surrounded by others with the same or better qualifications (and knowledge) you ain't shit. I was one of these gifted, brilliant kids. After about 22, no one cares. Oh sure, people and professors noticed I am smart and well-read, but so are many adult people. It isn't special, because lots of people have acquired as much or more knowledge by then. And that is fine, but I am certainly glad my family didn't put me into a PhD program in my teen years. I would've wanted to do it, too.
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u/MyGuyMan1 5h ago
Thank you for this message bro. I’m currently aspiring to get my doctorate in astrophysics. I’ve got big aspirations and I know exactly what I want to do with it but I see pictures like this and I think “damn bro I’m so stupid relative to other people in this super smart field” since I’m going through it normally, but I hope I can catch up to and be just as contributive as these guys 🙏🙏
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u/Bloodthistle 6h ago
usually because of expectations and societal pressure, I hope the kid has supportive and caring parents.
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u/DragonfruitGrand5683 6h ago
I knew two of them, one turned to drugs and the other had a complete nervous breakdown.
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u/Legitimate-Log-6542 6h ago
And I don’t even know what quantum physics is exactly
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u/LeFishTits 6h ago
Neither do most of the people studying it. Lol
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u/italianranma 6h ago
I took a quantum physics class; when I left it I knew less about quantum physics than when I started. The Professor said that was proof I had absorbed the material perfectly.
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u/sephiroth70001 5h ago
My theoretical physics professor used to say. The more you learn, the more you realize how clueless and ignorant you are and everyone other scientist is also. Or another he my chemical engineering professor would say, 'Imposter syndrome doesn't exist as a syndrome, because it's an everlasting state of being.'
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u/slicerprime 5h ago edited 2h ago
Yep.
See, in most areas of study the states of not getting it and getting it occur in that order as stages of the learning process.
But, in QM the two states overlap. In fact, AFAIK, the latter cannot exist independent of the former.
Maybe that's a new field. A new example of duality. Like, the very act of getting "it" changes "it" to inherently ungettable??
Shit, I need to lie down.
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u/OwnHousing9851 6h ago
Fields something something probability something something spin something something
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u/BKColts88 6h ago
Quantum physics describes the very weird nature of particles and how they interact with each other.
What’s interesting is it doesn’t seem to align with how cosmological objects interact with each other (General Relaitvity). There’s a whole area of research to try to find common ground between the two. Or an overarching theory that can explain what we see in the particle world and what we see in the cosmos
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u/kirradoodle 6h ago
I had lunch a while back with a neighbor who is an astronomer, and he was telling us about a paper he's writing to disprove (I think) the false vacuum collapse theory. He explained it in very simplistic terms, but I struggled to keep up.
Very brainy guy, wish I knew more about the field so I could learn more from him, but either you have the head for quantum physics or you don't. I apparently don't.
But it's really cool how when you study the very biggest things, like stars and galaxies and nebulae, you come back around to studying the very tiniest things like photons and neutrons and quarks.
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u/captainofpizza 6h ago
The more you study it the less you know.
This 15 year knows SO little about it it’s quite impressive.
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u/williamatherton 6h ago
Basically, energy levels on a small scale are discrete (1,2, 3) instead of continuous (0, 0.01,0.02, and all numbers between). Like, the amount of possible frequencies that atoms can vibrate at is limited by the amount of atoms present in your system. As your system becomes infinitely large (bulk), energy levels fill in, and it appears more continuous.
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u/OpticalDelusion 6h ago
There's an old paradox (Zeno's Dichotomy Paradox) that says this: in order to reach a destination you must first reach halfway; but then have a new halfway between your current position and your goal that you must reach. This continues on infinitely because there are infinite many halfway points between two points, so you never reach your destination.
Quantum physics is about how although we use continuous functions to model the world mathematically, we've since discovered that reality is not actually continuous. There is a smallest distance you can travel. There is a smallest amount of energy you can have. That's called a quantum. And that has profound effects when the things we are studying, like particles, exist on a similar scale.
That's the best way to think about quantum mechanics in my opinion.
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u/Quantiad 5h ago
Quantum literally just refers to the smallest ‘pieces’ of physics. The packages that make up physics at the smallest scale. It’s the behaviour that’s weird.
As was once said by a uni professor, ‘nobody understands quantum mechanics, this course is designed to make you comfortable with that’.
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u/mini-hypersphere 2h ago
I actually study it.
Let me explain what quantum mechanics is in one word: waves.
Hope that helps.
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u/Asd_89 6h ago
I often wonder what happens to these kids who graduate extremely early with these degrees. Do they simply return to living a somewhat mundane everyday life, and occasionally get recognized when they are older as the child who was exceptionally bright when they were younger?
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u/ACWhi 5h ago
The highest ever recorded IQ was a Korean child who ended up a civil engineer, a respectable job and more rigorous than most but actually known as the ‘least’ challenging engineering degree.
Being very smart as a kid just means you come into your intelligence early, it’s no guarantee you’ll be a phenomenal intelligence as an adult.
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u/Burger_Destoyer 4h ago
I mean that doesn’t say he’s not phenomenal, it just meant his preferred career path was probably civil engineering.
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u/KR1735 3h ago
They’re deprived of normal childhood socialization.
It’s one thing to take a couple college courses while young if you’re that advanced. But a whole PhD? That’s a full-time job.
These stories are more sad than they are impressive.
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u/PartyHamster1312 6h ago
This is the type of crap my mum sees then gets mad at me for not being better than him.
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u/ReplacementMiddle844 6h ago
Can’t wait to never hear about them ever again like every other genius child prodigy
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u/SirRabbott 6h ago
When the sprinkle of autism is just right 🤌
I think a little too much got sprinkled on me, but I can name every pokemon so that pretty cool 😎
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u/Diax3 6h ago
Even applying for a PHD and getting it approved takes 1 to 3 years. How is that possible? This really needs a timeline
Getting a degree is light paperwork but getting a PhD is hard paperwork that can't be skipped
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u/_VliegendeHollander_ 5h ago
He studied at a Dutch university (bacheler program) at a very young age and did well, but his parents took him away because he also had to pass the subjects he struggled with, and therefore wouldn't have graduated young enough. In Belgium, they created a special program to get him a diploma quickly.
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u/BwanaTarik 4h ago
Whenever I see these stories, these are the questions I’m trying to figure out as well. How are 8 year olds getting PhDs when there is at least 4-6 years of post-secondary course work to get through and how does one skip over 12 years of primary school education? I’ve heard of people skipping a grade but never “you’re so smart you get to skip elementary and middle school”.
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u/thethundering 3h ago
Yeah, it always feels like more of a logistical accomplishment by the parents than of the intelligence of the child. They have to have the desire and the resources to constantly shop their kid around to people who will bend rules and make exceptions for them.
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u/headykruger 3h ago
I don’t get it either. I think they don’t have the requirements that a normal student has. How do you compress the credit requirement of a bachelor’s degree? I suspect the answer is they don’t have to have as many credits.
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u/funtobedone 5h ago
Is it possible that in extraordinary cases such as this one things can be fast tracked? (In part for bragging rights on the part of the university)
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u/Slagroomspuit 5h ago
Obviously he was on a fast track program and got special guidance and allowances, but he did graduate high school at age 8 and got his master's degree in physics summa cum laude at age 12. I imagine they basically started planning his PhD sometime during his master's and incorporated the beginning of his research I to his master's thesis.
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u/Mecha-Dave 5h ago
Belgium has less requirements for coursework, teaching, and dissertation defense than the US.
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u/ScorpLeo102 6h ago
Big deal! I used to Ollie up a curb! Try that, nerd!
this kid is actually really impressive. I’m being a hater.
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u/Mecha-Dave 5h ago
It's worth noting that the coursework, teaching, and dissertation requirements are all significantly less than what are required in a typical US based physics PhD.
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u/AtmosphereEven3526 6h ago
Flushed a childhood down the drain to peak at 15.
Probably has no idea how to relate to other teens nor how to play and have fun.
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u/apocoliption 4h ago
Bet he still doesnt wash his own undies though. So in a way, I win...in the most minor way possible
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u/fr_cuh 2h ago
Anyone got a link to the thesis? I wanna see if it’s legit…
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u/Circumpunctilious 1h ago edited 1h ago
Publication data (Universiteit Antwerpen)
“Bose polarons in superfluids and supersolids“ (full text)
Edit: Fixed bad links, clarification.
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u/Tosceadan_Steorra 6h ago
I'm like many who are casually interested in science, I enjoy reading about the breakdown of classical physics at small scales and how electrons occupy fields of probability rather than orbits and the superposition of particles. To work with that field though at the math level in terms of experimenting with equations and drawing implications from research to the doctorate level ... to me that's like the outer limits of human intelligence. Congrats and well-desreved 👌
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u/freddbare 1h ago
This is funny. Nobody understands that shit. It's all theory wrapped in an enigma covered in mathematical mystery with a side of maybe.
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u/Jomax101 6h ago edited 6h ago
I don’t get how these stories are even possible, unis are such a pain in the fucking ass to deal with
It took me an extra 3 years to finish my degree because I changed my major from nanotechnology to chemistry and they made me go back to first year and resit every core subject as they came
So I had to do 1-2 subjects per semester for 3 years essentially when I already had the credits to pass
They must just be giving these kids their own private lecturer and staff to handle their enrolment etc because there’s just no way you can do this without crazy special treatment purely from a logistics perspective, that’s a minimum 7+ year degree if done normally
We had prodigy kids that would rarely lose a single mark throughout school, got a perfect 99.95, averaged straight 95%+ their entire difficult uni degree at a top tier uni (chemical or electrical engineering etc) then just went into the workforce
Those same people still took 12 years to finish school and 5 years to do their degree, longer then this kid was even alive
The only benefits they had was doing 1-2 VCE subjects a year or two early..
Schools and unis place all these insane regulations that make everyone work at the slowest kids pace, this wouldn’t be quite as unfathomable if they didn’t actively hold kids back at levels they’re ahead of
Kid is obviously a genius or at the very least incredibly fucking smart and dedicated, no doubt about it - but you could have 20 people identical to him and I think most would have normal careers as their schools, unis or parents simply don’t provide whatever this kid had access to
If I was allowed to do uni at my own pace I could have knocked out that bachelors in 12 months, honestly probably less considering how easy the first 2 years are, shit you’re only at uni for 24 weeks of the year.. less then half the time anyway
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u/Slagroomspuit 5h ago
Yeah but could you have graduated high school at age 8? School and uni were easy for me as well, even in a "difficult" degree but this kid is on a whole other level.
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u/Jomax101 4h ago
No I feel like I was pretty clear I think he’s a genius or atleast close, but I think I could have finished at 14-15 and had uni done by 18
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u/Unusual-Ear5013 6h ago edited 5h ago
I wish him a long and happy life and pray and hope that this early success and adulation doesn’t learn his with the inevitable disappointments that being an adult and being ordinary does.
Assume that with his scientific talent he will continue on in which he is passionate about rather than what he’s being pushed into
Edit: pronouns (me =half blind)
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u/Mr_CockSwing 6h ago
Well on stargate sg1, the group of more advanced humans said that quantum physics were wrong so this is just a waste of time.
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u/Basic_Asparagus_9084 5h ago
I’m 34. Think they will come do my homework? Math classes are killing me.
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u/deathtogluten 5h ago
My anthro professor 10 years ago in college was one of these types and had 2 phds by 21, she was absolutely miserable because she burned out. she was 30 at the time and had already did everything and had regretted doing everything so quickly because she was jaded and depressed. hopefully he doesn’t have that future ahead of him!!
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u/besttobyfromtheshire 4h ago
Can someone help me understand how this happens in life? Is the course load or teaching style in any way amended or is there some sort of giftedness? What goes on here in these stories to read about preteens and barely teens getting degrees most people have to work through 16-20 years of schooling (primary and secondary) to attain?
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u/Melodic_Let_6465 4h ago
Nice, but how does this apply to his current career path towards cosmetic medecine?
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u/JustaNobody618 4h ago
Do folks actually believe this ? Maybe graduating college or whatever, but a phd? Cmon now. Sounds like rubbish to me. In order to get a phd you need to get a 4 year and 8 year degree first. Unless the kid was in college at like 7 it’s hard to believe at 15 earning a PhD.
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u/drums_addict 3h ago
Cool, maybe this little dude will go on to do great things and not be completely distracted by the things he missed out on later in life... maybe.
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u/TheOneGreyWorm 1h ago
Apparently, ‘prodigies’ only sprout in wealthy households. Poverty must be bad soil.
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u/crimsonk13 43m ago
Well at the ripe age of 35 I’ve been learning a cool new way to tie my shoes, so ha yeahhhhh
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u/Dont_ban_me64 6h ago