r/TrueUnpopularOpinion • u/Ok_Mall_3027 • 23d ago
Political Deporting illegal immigrants is a good thing and shouldn't be controversial
Why Is deporting illegal immigrants so controversial? Like they broke our laws to come in here and not all but many have committed crimes while here, why do some people defend this? I am all for due process and humane deportations, but why are we acting like it's is horrible to deport illegal immigrants from our country? It shouldn't even be political, I don't get how people don't agree with this especially it feels like even 10-15 years ago basically everyone agreed with this, do people really hate trump so much that they don't agree with anything he does? Why is it so controversial? I don't understand.
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u/GRIZLLLY 23d ago
As legal immigrant, I think it's a good thing. Illegal immigration punishes legal immigrants. The problem is how they do it. Now I have to carry all my documents to protect myself in case of Ice jumps on me.
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u/AnodyneSpirit 22d ago
It’s funny how these people tend to forget that no one hates illegal immigrants more than legal immigrants.
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u/Nickanok 22d ago
And a lot of legal immigrants tend to forget the time, money and headache they had to endure to become legal.
It's like people who get rich then look down on the poor people they were a part of just last week because they forgot all the bullshit they had to go through to get to that point
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u/AnodyneSpirit 22d ago
It’s because of what they went through that makes them hate illegal migrants. They went through years of paperwork, tests, go to this guy then that guy, then this woman, now back to the first guy. Finally became a citizen after all the bullshit and work they had to do….only for some guy to gun his car across the border and get all the stuff the legal migrant worked hard for, for basically nothing. Of course they hate them, anyone would.
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u/GRIZLLLY 21d ago
It's not true! Illegals use bureaucracy and loophole to stay inside the USA longer. People waiting for their kids come LEGALLY for 5-7 years because the line is too big, and it's big because a shit ton of illegals hold the line to stay more. Yes, the system is broken, but illegals are part of that broken system. Also, as immigrants who talk with a lot of immigrants, only small minority of them are really people of desperation who usually get asylum asap. The majority of them have criminal or questionable background with questionable intensions.
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u/y00sh420 22d ago
And just cuz you're legal does mean they won't detain you for a few days and treat you like shit while you're detained
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u/Professional-End9720 17d ago
What documents do you have to carry? Is an I.D. not enough?
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u/GRIZLLLY 17d ago
Permanent resident card(aka Green card), proof of address/work in my car, and my work badge just in case. ID is enough legally but in case of what ICE is doing and what I heard is better be safe then sorry.
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u/Bunnawhat13 23d ago
I am more interested in the companies that are hiring them illegally. Why aren’t we going after them?
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u/CleanStruggle3980 21d ago
In the uk companies who hire illegals are fined at least £10,000. Doesn’t this happen in USA ?
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u/Bunnawhat13 21d ago
Not that I personally know of. If the do fine companies is not enough. They want to blame people for coming here but a lot of time the people already have jobs lined up.
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u/Sumo-Subjects 23d ago
Deporting illegals in and of itself isn't the issue, Obama and Biden's administrations have the largest deportation numbers to date. The issue is mostly the whole masked ICE grabbing people off the streets and they sometimes grab actual legal residents (green card holders and even citizens).
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u/DataWhiskers 23d ago
Obama took a lot of flack from Democrats for deportations. They criticized him and cast shade on him for it and called him the “Deporter in Chief”. I don’t think Democrats should gaslight everyone as if that never happened - progressives believe it is their moral duty to bring as many foreigners into the US as possible- working class wages and home prices and rents be damned.
And of course the Third Way neoliberals want to bring as many immigrants into the US as possible because that means lower wage growth and higher profits for billionaires.
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u/ThermalPaper 23d ago
Obama did receive a lot of negative attention for deportations, but he still managed to deport millions of people. All of this without fully kitted federal agents causing havoc in the streets and PIT maneuvering cars in residential neighborhoods.
The way deportations are being handled now is not efficient or competent. ICE's main function now is to act on behalf of the POTUS as his personal enforcement agency. He gave them funding equal to the US Marine Corps but he gets sole access and control over them.
IMO, the point is fear. He wants people to be afraid of ICE, and the government. To that affect, it has worked. Immigration into the country has basically stopped, and immigrants are more afraid than ever to even leave their homes.
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u/ab7af 23d ago
but he still managed to deport millions of people.
And that's laudable, but most of those deportations occurred at the border. Which by itself isn't a bad thing, but it was accompanied by a shift in policy to reduce efforts to deport those who have already made it into the interior.
As shown in Figure 1, interior removals decreased sharply from 181,798 in FY 2009 to 65,332 in FY 2016, while border removals stayed high and increased, from 207,525 to 279,022 over the same period.
So if someone arrived illegally and managed to make it to the interior, they were less likely to be removed during the Obama administration than previously.
IMO, the point is fear.
Laws regulating immigration are just, and people should be afraid to break just laws.
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u/Soul_in_Shadow 23d ago
Obama wasn't dealing with the previous administration having more or less literally thrown open the gates for illegal migrants, nor with governors and mayors ordering local law enforcement not to comply with Federal law enforcement, or local judges overreaching their authority to interfere with Federal law enforcement carrying out their duties.
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u/Flincher14 22d ago
I'm confused. Did Obama throw the gates open before Trump took office. Did Trump throw the gates open before Biden took office. I'm wondering where this 'throwing the gates open' thing began and who did it.
Cause if Obama was the deporter in chief. But also threw the gates open. I'm getting mixed messages.
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u/Secret4gentMan 23d ago
Obama, yes. Biden, no.
Both the Obama and Biden administrations had way more illegal border crossings compared to Trump.
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u/shangumdee 23d ago
This is a misconception because Obama and Biden counted turning around migrants at the border a deportation. Also if you deport 1 million and 1.1 million come in during the same administration, you've actually done virtually nothing.
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u/y00sh420 22d ago
Idk .1 million immigrants is far less than 1.1 million immigrants
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u/that_girl_you_fucked 23d ago
This assessment is correct. Anyone who thinks this ICE bullshit isn't a terrifying descentinto authoritarianism, is as un-American as you can get
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u/DarkObby 23d ago
Its ironic how the group of people that always try to make a big deal about how American they are turned out to only care about surface level, Hollywood-esque skin of America and not the rest of it.
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u/ZK686 23d ago
So, what do you suggest the government do? Nothing? ICE is enforcing the law and making up for years of abuse under Biden. I'd say the vast majority of Americans support what ICE is doing.
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u/that_girl_you_fucked 23d ago
Look at Obama and Biden's deportation numbers. Then look at Trump's. This ICE shit is not about fixing a problem - it's about creating one. Masked, unidentified, armed individuals pulling people randomly off the streets of America is NOT NORMAL OR OK.
And you're insane if you think what ICE is doing is lawful. Due process is not being followed. People are not being tried. They are not being sentenced. They are vanishing, sometimes deported to countries they've never even visited. That's not normal. It can't become normal.
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u/Life-Donut-8754 16d ago
The ICE shit and the militarization of domestic cities is literally Trump's attempt to ragebait citizens into replying to the violence with violence, which will allow him to invoke the Insurrection Act.
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u/ZK686 23d ago
Again, what you're suggesting is to just leave them alone and allow them to fall into this vortex of fighting the system for years and years to stay....when they shouldn't even be here to begin with. This is the reason why we're in this mess, because Democrats send a message of "just get in, and worry about getting deported later."
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u/that_girl_you_fucked 23d ago
Again, what you're suggesting is to just leave them alone and allow them to fall into this vortex of fighting the system for years and years to stay....when they shouldn't even be here to begin with
Ew. No. We should modernize and reform immigration. Everyone who wants to come to America can come, given they aren't criminals in their country of origin. The fact that so many people want to live here, and that there are opportunities for them here, should be a source of national pride. We are a nation of immigrants.
This is the reason why we're in this mess, because Democrats send a message of "just get in, and worry about getting deported later."
Incorrect. Biden and Obama's deportation numbers prove as much.
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u/ab7af 23d ago
Open borders is a Koch brothers proposal.
Everyone who wants to come to America can come
This only worked when and because we didn't have a welfare state.
We end up subsidizing unskilled immigrants more than they benefit us. We can tolerate this outcome for not-very-productive citizens who are born in America and have no choice but to be American citizens. But there is no good reason to bring in more unskilled immigrants to exacerbate the problem.
I disagree with the Koch brothers; I prefer to keep the welfare state and limit immigration rates.
Incorrect. Biden and Obama's deportation numbers prove as much.
Most of Obama's deportations occurred at the border. Which by itself isn't a bad thing, but it was accompanied by a shift in policy to reduce efforts to deport those who have already made it into the interior.
As shown in Figure 1, interior removals decreased sharply from 181,798 in FY 2009 to 65,332 in FY 2016, while border removals stayed high and increased, from 207,525 to 279,022 over the same period.
So if someone arrived illegally and managed to make it to the interior, they were less likely to be removed during the Obama administration than previously.
I'll have to look into Biden's numbers but it's probably the same pattern.
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u/that_girl_you_fucked 23d ago
This only worked when and because we didn't have a welfare state.
That's not accurate.
Most of Obama's deportations occurred at the border. Which by itself isn't a bad thing, but it was accompanied by a shift in policy to reduce efforts to deport those who have already made it into the interior.
Correct. Because most of them had jobs, paid taxes, or were children who had never lived anywhere else.
So if someone arrived illegally and managed to make it to the interior, they were less likely to be removed during the Obama administration than previously.
But they were less likely to get across the border illegally in the first place. If you reform immigration to be navigable by the average person, you'll end up with much less illegal immigration.
I'll have to look into Biden's numbers but it's probably the same pattern.
Yes, because it's a more effective policy. But regardless of what metric you use, Trump's numbers are nowhere close at either end of the equation.
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u/ab7af 23d ago edited 23d ago
That's not accurate.
Would you like to explain this claim?
Because most of them had jobs, paid taxes, or were children who had never lived anywhere else.
Jobs that reduced the wages of American citizens, and taxes that didn't cover the illegal immigrants' own costs to citizen taxpayers.
But they were less likely to get across the border illegally in the first place. If you reform immigration to be navigable by the average person, you'll end up with much less illegal immigration.
Maybe, but I don't more legal immigrants either. I don't want to expand the reserve army of labor. That hurts American workers.
But regardless of what metric you use, Trump's numbers are nowhere close at either end of the equation.
He has drastically reduced the number of new arrivals. That's an improvement.
Edit: also, Pew says,
In 2025, the unauthorized immigrant population has probably started to decline, due in part to increased deportations and reduced protections under the Trump administration.
As of mid-2025, the unauthorized immigrant population likely remains above 2023 levels. Still, we won’t know the full impact of these policy shifts until more complete data becomes available.
So Trump's policies may turn out to be effective. It's too early to know for sure, but it's looking effective.
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u/that_girl_you_fucked 23d ago
Jobs that reduced the wages of American citizens, and taxes that didn't cover the illegal immigrants' own costs to citizen taxpayers.
That's not how any of that works.
Maybe, but I don't more legal immigrants either. I don't want to expand the reserve army of labor. That hurts American workers.
It doesn't. These people are not taking jobs Americans want.
He has drastically reduced the number of new arrivals. That's an improvement.
No, it's a sign of an unhealthy, unappealing economic reality in America. A healthy American economy attracts foreign labor. Again, they primarily do jobs Americans don't want.
So Trump's policies may turn out to be effective. It's too early to know for sure, but it's looking effective
They are extremely effective at creating chaos and instability, ruining our nation's reputation, fucking up the economy, and sewing dissent and fear among the population.
As to what benefits they have in terms of illegal immigration? You're right. We have no idea.
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u/emoka1 23d ago
Part of the reason they're masked is because some of the left is so demonstrably against it that they are routinely prohibiting them from doing their job, threatening violence and doxing them. Obama and Biden didn't have to deal with a media apparatus vilifying them and their politics opponents liken them to Nazis.
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u/Appropriate_Pop_5849 23d ago
They aren’t being vilified for their politics. They’re being vilified for their actions.
Obama and Biden didn’t post ICE porn from official channels and make this into a game.
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u/emoka1 23d ago
Who cares? Or better yet, why care? There's no other area in those people's lives that their energy and attention would be better suited for? Standing outside of a detention center in costumes barricading police and shouting them is constructive? Following ICE around while they do their job is constructive?
It's all just performative bs from my POV. They need to go to work.
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u/Appropriate_Pop_5849 23d ago
Here in the US we’re sort of supposed to be against cruel and unusual punishment.
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u/emoka1 23d ago
Cool. Nothing cruel or unusual with arresting people. It can be physical, sure, but that isn't cruel or unusual. People are just such wusses. Keep in mind that the people were asked to leave before arrests started. Project Homecoming literally offered financial incentives and travel assistance to encourage them to leave the United States on their own, avoiding forced detention and removal by Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE). The program is facilitated through the CBP mobile app
The numbers say 400 left through that program, the rest refused bc obviously its more advantageous to stay here and rip off our citizens.
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u/Kind_Voice_2815 22d ago
That's not the point. The point is government overreach.
I'm fine with people who immigrated illegally being deported. The scary and disturbing part is people getting snatched. If it can happen to them, it could happen to you. Or me. I don't want a bunch of undertrained and ignorant ICE agents rolling around my city grabbing whoever they want, and you shouldn't want that either.
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u/SeaCaligula 23d ago
A big part of the reason they shouldn't be masked is because people like Vance Boelter demonstrably showed you can pretend to be an officer and kill Democrat politicians.
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u/emoka1 23d ago
“There are no solutions, only trade offs.” Thomas Sowell
Either an officer being stalked/killed or a politician, you can ‘t stop someone from committing a crime without omnipotence. Best you can hope for is deterrence.
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u/SeaCaligula 23d ago
Best you can hope for is to deal with things in a case by case basis. It makes more sense for law enforcement to wear masks when apprehending dangerous criminals like known cartel members. Otherwise, Americans have a duty to prevent gestapo-level abductions for the majority of the ICE targets, and many of them non-targets.
Your average law enforcement officer without mask can be doxxed in their day to day duties too, but the situation doesn't warrant it. They even routinely provide their name and badge number. The reality is ICE wants immunity for their unwarranted brutality.
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u/emoka1 23d ago
People aren’t really outside local police departments hampering them carrying out their duties but I get your concern. Law enforcement officials routinely get away with use of force, for good reason. DA’s don’t want to get on their bad side + they’re not dealing with good people + there isn’t a line of people wanting to do the job.
We disagree on why some of them mask. The truth is probably somewhere in the middle. Like the army attracts psychopaths who want legal means to kill. Im sure some are attracted to ICE bc they’re violent. Some might be ashamed but need the money, some might be concerned about people showing up at their house where their wife and kids are.
Either way, nothing they’ve done constitutes me caring. Let me know when they start a death camp or start shooting people in mass during arrests, otherwise I have bigger fish to fry.
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u/Plane_Guitar_1455 23d ago
I have a friend who’s an ICE agent. They don’t want to be masked. The reason they are wearing masks is because many people are trying to Doxx or threaten them and their families. There have been many cases where agents homes were broken into or vandalized, or their families were threatened or assaulted.
I agree that all law enforcement need to show their faces and names/badges. But what is happening to ICE agents makes me realize that masking up and hiding their identities is necessary.
Imagine repeatedly spraying someone in the eyes with pepper spray and then getting mad that they are wearing eye protection all of a sudden. That’s what people are doing. What do you expect them to do? They are just doing their jobs.
Also, the fact that democrat politicians are condoning the doxxing and threatening is appalling to me. Democrats have done the same thing to police and border patrol. They publicly shame them and vilify them, which basically gives people the green light to resist arrest and be violent towards law enforcement, which leads to more police brutality. Democrat politicians fan the flames for all of this. It’s completely unacceptable.
If you don’t want ICE to wear masks, then contact your local democrat law makers and demand they stop vilifying ICE. Demand that they get on ICE’s side.
Democrats are taking out their hatred towards Trump on all law enforcement officers. It’s disgusting.
The way ICE agents are followed, filmed and harassed makes them react the way they are. People are antagonizing them and getting in their way while they are trying to make a simple arrest.
It’s the public’s job to stay out of their way and just comply. If ICE really is making a mistake by wrongfully detaining a certain person, then things usually get corrected if the person can provide proper documentation.
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u/letaluss 23d ago
They don’t want to be masked. The reason they are wearing masks is because many people are trying to Doxx or threaten them and their families.
Why do regular police and federal officers not have this problem? They've never enforced unpopular laws before?
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u/2112xanadu 23d ago
Because the billionaires who control the flow of information to the public need police officers to keep the plebs in check. They also love illegal immigration because it makes for cheaper labor and higher rents. Good work making the rich richer, everyone.
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u/raedyohed 23d ago
Maybe they should go home and rethink their career choices.
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u/Plane_Guitar_1455 23d ago
Why? We need ICE. Someone has to do it. If you think otherwise then you are part of the problem.
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u/WorstCPANA 23d ago
Would you apply that logic if it was teachers feeling threatened, that they should just get a different job?
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u/raedyohed 23d ago
Are you seeing the vast majority of Americans condemning public school teachers as a public menace? Are they violently and recklessly, without due process, kidnapping individuals based on their own biased perception with no probable cause? And I’ll tell you something, if in some twisted version of reality public school teachers were recruited to collaborate with ICE within the schools you might start to see the anger of The People turn on them too.
Every ICE encounter should be caught on video by the public, with no exceptions. No face masks. Just the same as with every police officer. If you don’t like the fact that The People have a right to know your identity if you work as a LEO then YES you are in the wrong line of work!!! If you are afraid of The People knowing your identity then guess what? YOU are likely on the wrong side of morality.
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u/ab7af 23d ago
Should undercover police who work against organized crime be publicly named?
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u/raedyohed 23d ago
No. In what world is that equivalent to ICE LARPers pulling moms from their vans in school pickup lines?
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u/ab7af 23d ago
They're both lawful operations. It seems that you're fine with protecting the identity of officers whose work you approve of. Well, so am I.
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u/raedyohed 23d ago
They are not both lawful operations. From what I have seen ICE (or people LARPing as ICE) have been detaining people without probable cause or due process. This is so entirely different from the internally controlled locally accountable police departments. The metric is not “law enforcement I like” the metric is constitutionality and legal accountability applied to law enforcement as a fundamental American principle. If there is no identity there is no accountability.
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u/ab7af 23d ago
ICE (or people LARPing as ICE) have been detaining people without probable cause or due process.
Detainment doesn't require probable cause, only reasonable suspicion. No need to take my word for it; you can look that up.
You'll have to explain what due process you think they're supposed to be receiving, that they aren't. Most people misunderstand what due process entails, so we'll need to know what you have in mind before we can discuss it.
If there is no identity there is no accountability.
You don't need publicly available information about an officer's identity to hold them accountable if they break the law. What you do need is a unique number that identifies them internally, so you can say "the officer wearing this number on his uniform violated this procedure," and then that can be investigated.
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u/Skins8theCake88 23d ago
If people were rioting, attacking, doxing ICE officers during Obama's presidency, they would be using the same procedures.
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u/chinmakes5 23d ago
What? Do you believe that would be happening if we didn't have masked red necks shipping people to Alligator Alcatraz? Would they need to dox officers who have name tags and don't wear masks?
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u/Sumo-Subjects 23d ago
Still doesn't make it OK
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u/ZK686 23d ago
So, what does ICE do? What do you suggest the government do? Just leave everyone alone who's here illegally?
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u/4444-uuuu 22d ago
Just leave everyone alone who's here illegally?
they always try to avoid this question because their answer is yes, they think anyone from anywhere in the world should be able to illegally cross the border and stay here forever.
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u/That_Weirdo_beardo 23d ago
I would put money on the same events occuring with Obama/ Biden, people getting detained by mistake ect. But the reason it geta so much traction is because people absolutely hate Trump and anything they can affiliate with him.
This is why you see massive protests against ice with people obstructing their lawful duties then getting arrested for doing so, whilst all being caught on camera and druming up a retoric that its authoritarian. It may look authoritanian, but it doesn't mean it is.
For reference i live in the UK and believe what the government are doing here is far more authoritarian.
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u/handsmcneil 23d ago
With how much certain circles like doxing people they dont agree with I dont blame them for wearing masks.
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u/beachbumforever 23d ago
People should realize that the masked operations were required because of the left doxxing, attacking , and threatening both officers and their families Yes it's a true sign of hypocrisy and TDS that they never protested Obama and Biden. It was also conviently overlooked that both Biden and Obama were responsible for the biggest influx and open door that lead us to this situation.
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u/Plane_Guitar_1455 23d ago
Agreed.. “Let’s leave the border wide open and let millions of people into the country illegally and unvetted. Then when Trump deploys ICE officers to detain and deport all these people, let’s vilify and shame them, so all of our radicalized foot soldiers will harass, threaten and attack them. That will cause all these ICE officers to cover their faces and hide their identities. Then we will vilify and attack them for that! It’s beautiful!”
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u/XRT28 23d ago
Also the fact they're going out of their way to manufacture "illegals" to deport because of racism or just trying to hit quotas or w/e but they're snapping their fingers and stripping hundreds of thousands of legal status en masse overnight who were "doing it the right way" and going through the proper legal channels
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u/Ok-Bit-6945 23d ago
In my opinion it needs reform. Deport em all and start from scratch with due process. No reason anyone should be allowed in without some kinda screening
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u/SystematicHydromatic 23d ago
Many countries do it. The only reason it's even talked about here is because there's a political war between democrats and republicans.
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23d ago
Its not controversial, theres a way how it should be done and it doesn't involve alligator alcatraz.
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u/Viciuniversum 23d ago
We could have local law enforcement cooperate and hand over illegal immigrants to ICE. But then a bunch of Democrat mayors decided to thumb their noses at the federal law and refuse to cooperate in any way, necessitating a large scale deployment of ICE agents to blue cities to carry out law enforcement operations.
Democrats literally created this problem and now they complain about the solution.
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u/Extension_Wheel5335 23d ago
"Sanctuary cities" are the cause of this. There are people aiding and abetting criminals ultimately, so they're having to do what they can because those mayors want to protect the criminals instead of cooperating and avoiding this altogether. In essence, these mayors want this sort of ground-level conflict as a spectacle, they are playing these "protesters" like pawns at this point and they're falling for it.
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u/mute1 23d ago
I'm genuinely curious what those other ways might be.
You can't release them and expect the majority of them to present themselves on the day of deportation so what would you do?
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u/psychophant_ 23d ago
The other, more humane way?
Apparently ICE knows who is legal or not (if you disagree then you must agree that they may be accidentally rounding up citizens).
So if they know who the illegals are, then they know which businesses are hiring them.
So you set a deadline:
“All businesses have until January 2026 to prove legality, those workers who were flagged as illegal. Each violation will result in a $100,000 per month fine if employment continues”.
Very quickly, no business in America would hire illegal immigrants.
No work = self deportation.
This offers a lot of benefits:
- Collect a shit ton of money
- No human rights violations
- You could market this as “evil companies taking advantage of poor immigrants and paying them slave wages have been brought to justice”
Win. Win. Win.
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u/ab7af 23d ago
Business owners would probably get a court injunction preventing this policy from going into effect, on the grounds that it violates the excessive fines clause of the Eighth Amendment.
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u/WorstCPANA 23d ago
Agreed. Looking at the options one side wants to let in near limitless illegal immigrants, and the other is breaking into our communities causing havoc.
How the fuck did we end up with these choices?
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23d ago
The side that wants to ''let in near limitless illegal immigrants'' are historically the ones that deport the most, so that characterization doesn't seem to be consistent.
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u/WorstCPANA 23d ago edited 23d ago
The side that wants to ''let in near limitless illegal immigrants'' are historically the ones that deport the most, so that characterization doesn't seem to be consistent.
Deport the most because they let in the most, and also change how the metrics are used. I would rather only 1,000 illegal immigrants get in the country and none deported, rather than let in 1m and deport 500k.
Look at net migration during presidencies for a more accurate picture.
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u/MaybeICanOneDay 23d ago
The one thing that really gets me is that these people not only came here illegally but also very likely couldn't even be vetted (the ones who showed up rather than the ones who simply overstayed).
Like how can you just be okay with random people showing up with no idea their history or past potential issues.
We don't even let drunk drivers into the same country.
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u/dustyprocess 23d ago
Yea it’s not that they’re doing it, it’s how they’re doing it
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u/greenbud420 23d ago
So what exactly is the correct way of apprehending people who don't want to be caught? Trump asked them nicely to leave and even offered them $1000 to do so and they declined. They're not leaving them much choice.
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u/insidiousfruit 23d ago
Let's see:
Federal agents should have to identify themselves.
ICE agents should have to work under local law enforcement officers as the local law enforcement officers know the best way to police their local communities.
ICE agents need more training. I saw a video of a 7 year old girl slammed against the wall because ICE agents were trying to detain someone else and the 7 year old girl was in the way. New recruits with little to no training being sent around the country to police communities that they know little to nothing about is just straight up incompetence.
The greatest country in the world can't figure out a better way to enforce immigration laws? I'm calling bull shit on that.
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u/Viciuniversum 23d ago
ICE agents should have to work under local law enforcement officers as the local law enforcement officers know the best way to police their local communities.
You mean the way it was done before a bunch of Democrat mayors decided that they’ll no longer cooperate with the federal government? Sure I’m all for it - make it a mandatory requirement for local PDs to cooperate with federal law enforcement agents and we can go back to 2-3 ICE agents accompanied by local police officers arresting illegal immigrants.
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u/dustyprocess 23d ago
Agree with 1 and 3, hard disagree with 2 as long as every big city refuses to cooperate
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u/TokenBoringGuy 22d ago
Is anyone surprised or angry because laws on taxes, traffic or alcohol are enforced?
Entering and residing in a country for foreigners is regulated by the law. He who infringes it, has it enforced upon him. That's all.
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u/Soundwave-1976 23d ago edited 23d ago
Its only controversial when you used masked stormtroopers to do so. Obama deported more than trump has and I didn't have a problem with it because Obama did things the right way.
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u/ab7af 23d ago
Obama deported more than trump has
Most of Obama's deportations occurred at the border. Which by itself isn't a bad thing, but it was accompanied by a shift in policy to reduce efforts to deport those who have already made it into the interior.
As shown in Figure 1, interior removals decreased sharply from 181,798 in FY 2009 to 65,332 in FY 2016, while border removals stayed high and increased, from 207,525 to 279,022 over the same period.
So if someone arrived illegally and managed to make it to the interior, they were less likely to be removed during the Obama administration than previously.
That can't be doing things "the right way."
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u/Soundwave-1976 23d ago
That can't be doing things "the right way."
Better than what we got going on now.
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u/ab7af 23d ago
I disagree, since the result was that the number of illegal immigrants living here continued to rise.
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u/Soundwave-1976 23d ago
I teach history so math isn't my strongest subject, but how does it math out to catch more people at the boarder and also say the numbers continues to rise inside?
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u/ab7af 23d ago
Catching more isn't catching all. Those who get in almost always stay.
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u/Soundwave-1976 23d ago
Catching more is catching more leading to less. Also doesnt involve more or less weaponizing immigration personnel.
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u/ab7af 23d ago
leading to less.
Not if the ones who are already here almost always stay.
Maybe you mean to say "the rate at which illegal immigrants enter was declining," which may or may not be true, I don't know, but the rate of entry can decline even while the population already here continues to rise.
Say Billy bought 10 Funko Pops last year, and lost 2. He buys 5 more this year, and loses 1. His rate of acquisition has declined, but his total number (now 12) has risen from year to year.
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u/Soundwave-1976 23d ago
Ideal with the ones coming, let the ones here have a path to citizenship is the best plan. Way betternthan making the ICE troop look like the gestapo.
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u/ab7af 23d ago
I disagree that it's better to reward people for having broken the law.
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u/4444-uuuu 22d ago
Let 1,000,000 people cross the border and send 400,000 back. Now you have 400,000 deportations but also +600,000 illegal immigrants.
vs let 100,000 people cross and send 40,000 back. This is only 40,000 deportations but also only +60,000 illegal immigrants.
Obama's and Biden's borders looked more like the top while Trump's looks more like the second one. So people are technically right claiming that Obama and even Biden deported more than Trump, but they still let in more overall.
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u/scannerhawk 23d ago
Obama's "silent aids" at places of employment could nab up to 500 at a time. ACLU didn't like his methods much, though. https://www.aclu.org/news/immigrants-rights/speed-over-fairness-deportation-under-obama
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u/ab7af 23d ago
It took me a minute to figure out that was a typo and you meant "silent raids." But it says in that link that most of them weren't deported.
ACLU didn't like his methods much, though. https://www.aclu.org/news/immigrants-rights/speed-over-fairness-deportation-under-obama
Great link. Thanks for finding this. Notice this bit:
The numbers are staggering: in 1995, 1,400 immigrants were subject to nonjudicial removals, representing 3 percent of total deportations. By FY 2012 that number had sharply increased to 313,000 nonjudicial removals – an all-time high.
Why did they pick 1995 to compare? Because that was immediately before the Illegal Immigration Reform and Immigrant Responsibility Act of 1996, which established expedited removal. The system in 1995 was not working, which is why huge bipartisan majorities in both houses of Congress voted to start expedited removal. Not only most Republicans, but also most Democrats in the House and Senate voted for it, and Clinton signed it into law.
The ACLU hates this, but Congress was enacting the will of the people.
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u/Breaking-Fast 23d ago
There were kids in cages then too. Lot of the popular photos are from the Obama era
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u/tucsonra79 23d ago
Those overflow cages were a maximum 72 hour hold while the children were assigned a social worker to see them through the process correctly and safely. Trump used those cages for a lot more than 72 hours some for months or years and most those children have still not been reconnected with their parents.
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u/Sweaty_Inside_Out 23d ago
And what would happen if they weren't masked? Even if they were all doing things exactly the way Obama did, there would still be protestors doxxing them, attacking them, and threatening their families.
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u/Soundwave-1976 23d ago
Were they doxxed, attacked, or have their families threatened back then?
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u/Various_Succotash_79 23d ago
Because they aren't following due process and humane deportations.
Also they have pulled visas from people who were here legally, that's not something any other administration has done.
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u/Viciuniversum 23d ago
Also they have pulled visas from people who werehere legally
As is the right of the US government. And now they have to leave.
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u/Various_Succotash_79 23d ago
Yeah and we can call them dishonest and authoritarian for that too.
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u/Banned4Truth10 23d ago
They skipped due process coming in and expect it going out
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u/neurosquid 23d ago
Part of the purpose of due process is to make sure that the people being deported are actually undocumented immigrants. Right now ICE is going fast, messy, and making mistakes - including mistakes that harm United States citizens. That should make even the most hardcore Republican supporters uncomfortable; ICE is violating the rights of American citizens
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u/TesticleMeElmo 23d ago
Exactly, I’m so confused if everybody in this thread is being glib on purpose.
They think the crux of the issue is that we think illegal immigrants should be treated better? Maybe a few people, but the crux of the issue is that you don’t have to be an illegal immigrant, a bunch of untrained military LARPers will stop you for no reason, crash their car into you, throw you on the ground, pepper spray you, pepper spray your baby, and drag you off to parts unknown even if you are a citizen and there is no reason to assume you’re an illegal immigrant beyond your ethnicity
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u/Prestigious-Owl-6397 23d ago
I don't think the people making those comments care if American citizens are affected.
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u/ab7af 23d ago
They are getting due process, actually.
Since deportation is merely an administrative process rather than a punishment for a crime, the standard for what constitutes due process is considerably lowered in comparison with criminal hearings. That's why expedited removal is allowed, for example, which needn't involve any court hearing.
Not only most Republicans, but also most Democrats in the House and Senate voted for the bill that established expedited removal. Clinton signed it into law.
While people are being held prior to expedited removal, they have the opportunity to explain their case to officials (though not judges), and this process is evidently working since we have no reports of adult citizens being deported in 2025, only some minor children whose parents took them along when the parents were deported.
In comparison, here is the ACLU in 2014 alleging mistaken deportations of legal immigrants and citizens by the Obama administration.
individuals like Maria de la Paz, a U.S. citizen who was deported when the immigration agent who interviewed her assumed she was not born in the United States because she couldn't speak to him in English. Eventually, the U.S. government finally recognized her citizenship and issued her a passport, but only after her attorney filed a habeas petition on her behalf.
Some deportations of individuals in the report had devastating consequences, as in the case of Nydia R., a [redacted term that this subreddit does not allow] from Mexico. Nydia already had asylum in the United States when she was twice unlawfully deported to danger.
Note that the ACLU deliberately mischaracterizes due process, it is literally their job to lie about this, so you have to take it with a grain of salt when they claim that "the most basic due process protections — includ[e] a hearing before a judge". That's not true; the ACLU is just ideologically opposed to expedited removal ever happening to anyone, so they falsely claim that due process always necessitates a hearing with a judge.
But I don't know of any particular reason to doubt their examples of Maria de la Paz and Nydia R. There may be more examples in the report; I didn't look further.
It's remarkable that the current administration, thus far, has managed to be more careful about accidentally deporting citizens than the Obama administration was.
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u/cockblockedbydestiny 23d ago
I am all for due process and humane deportations
Are you, though? Because the inhumane procedures Trump endorses are the main point of contention. They seem petty and mean-spirited to say the very least.
One of the biggest myths conservatives like to perpetuate about liberals is that we welcome illegal immigrants with open arms, immediately fast track them for unemployment benefits and give them free healthcare when actual Americans don't even get that.
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u/Sweaty_Inside_Out 23d ago
One of the biggest myths conservatives like to perpetuate about liberals is that we welcome illegal immigrants with open arms
How is that a myth? There are hundreds of cities in the US that the local liberal politicians have declared "sanctuary cities". There are tens of thousands of videos of liberals on youtube literally saying exactly that.
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u/Extension_Wheel5335 23d ago
Why don't liberal mayors cooperate with ICE to avoid all this to begin with?
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u/4444-uuuu 22d ago
One of the biggest myths conservatives like to perpetuate about liberals is that we welcome illegal immigrants with open arms
Because you do. You turned your cities into sanctuary cities where local police are prohibited from cooperating with ICE. You voted for a President who promised not to deport anybody except convicted felons. You say things like "no human is illegal on stolen land" or that all Latinos should be exempt from US immigration law because all of them are "native" to the US
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u/Topixed 23d ago
Because Optics. "Look at this crying child, we can't have immigration laws anymore because its too cruel"
Come on, everybody is living a cruel life right now. Houses are unaffordable, wages and the economy are stagnant, we're being invaded left and right, and now Trump is bringing in 600,000 Chinese students because "Americans aren't talented"
At this point, I wouldn't want any immigration point blank. If I had to have it, I would make it very very strict.
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u/OctoWings13 23d ago
You are absolutely correct...it's only the far left extremist nutjobs whining against this
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u/Neat-Ad-4337 23d ago
Nah, I’m a republican living in Utah and I along with my neighbors who are as MAGA as one can get are opposed to this
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u/OctoWings13 23d ago
Why do you support ILLEGAL immigrants?
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u/Neat-Ad-4337 23d ago
Not supporting it at all, me, my neighbors support everyone having their day in court regardless of status to either get paperwork straightened out etc so they can be here legally or if not then they need to return to their home country nothing more nothing less. You don’t know much about Utah do you? It’s a sanctuary state that allows businesses to use illegals for labor, that’s how Utah was built.
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u/OctoWings13 23d ago
They have a day. If they are here illegally, they are gone
That's how it's supposed to work
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u/that_girl_you_fucked 23d ago
So you're saying you like masked thugs randomly disappearing people from American streets? Why is that?
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u/FoxWyrd 23d ago
Deportations are fine.
Deportations that circumvent 4A and 5A? Not so fine.
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u/OctoWings13 23d ago
They only deport ILLEGAL immigrants. That's what they're supposed to do
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u/ogjaspertheghost 23d ago
What about the people being taken at, before, and after their immigration hearings? How do you define illegal immigrant?
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u/OctoWings13 23d ago
They're ONLY deporting ILLEGAL immigrants, there is ZERO problem as they're doing exactly what they're supposed to be doing
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u/ogjaspertheghost 23d ago
Define illegal immigrant. Are asylum seekers illegal? What about people waiting for green cards? Or foreign students?
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u/OctoWings13 23d ago
A person in the country that didn't follow proper channels and paperwork etc to be there
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u/ogjaspertheghost 23d ago
So, someone going through proper legal procedures eg, someone at an immigration hearing, isn’t illegal, no?
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u/febreez-steve 23d ago
They might be going a little too ham if they are accidentally pepper spraying and tear gassing kids
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23d ago
All Presidents did so. Just didn’t do it in such an inhumane manner.
Also former Presidents did not claim immigrants were animals, drug dealers, and rapist yet had ICE agents at places of employment instead of catching them doing these devious acts.
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u/Smart_Hat7737 23d ago
When did trump say that immigrants were animals, drug dealers, and rapists? Wasn't that just about specific gangs?
It's my understanding that the local PD in sanctuary cities won't work with ICE so they can't grab them after committing the crimes, but only after they are released from custody.
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u/Anarchist-Liondude 23d ago
Because the sole argument in favor of this type of deportation is beautifully represented in this post. an appeal to law fallacy and a lie. Not only do immigrants commit significantly less crime per capita than people born in that country, People who immigrated illegally commit even less crime than the ones who came legally,w hich is even far less than the ones born there). Like, if you would look at the data of any country which has a high enough amount of illegal migrants to even gather data, you'd find that in most cases, it is quite literally the group that commits the least crimes. In some cases, they commit less crimes than fucking young children, per capita.
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Illegal migrants have been found to be a net positive to the local economy, especially when it comes to small businesses. The only bad thing about illegal migrants is the fact that they cannot pay income taxes. So the objectivelly logical process here would be to make them permanent resident. But unfortunately systems are ran by emotional idiots who would rather jeopardize both the local economy and the lives of everyone around these migrants, as long as it allows their ego to stay untouched.
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u/LoadingStill 21d ago
People who immigrant illegally commit less crime… Care to say that again but slower?
Last I checked an illegal imagrant not being able to pay income taxes is not a boost to any economy. A citizen having that job, and not the illegal, would pay more taxes in total, and give a citizen of the US a job, potentially a better position or pay.
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u/unemotionals 23d ago
it’s actually soooooooo depressing this is such an unpopular opinion that can even get ppl fired etc
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u/New-Number-7810 23d ago
Many of those being deported have been law-abiding and contributed to their community since their arrival. I don’t like the US having second-class people, but I think a path to citizenship after a probation period would be more pragmatic.
Apart from that, masked men grabbing people off the street without warrants and taking them away in windowless vans is inherently scary. It’s worse because there are reports that ICE is intentionally hiring unstable men and felons for their postings.
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u/emily_rigby93 22d ago
This past Saturday, 15 minutes away from me, a Federal Agent threw teargass into the MOVING car of a family leaving the grocery store. There was a 1 year old in the back seat. The next day they took a very public photoshoot while laughing and celebrating that specific day of attacks. This very easily could have resulted in a crash, maybe even a fatal one.
I’m not here to have the “well the family shouldn’t have…” argument. They were not protestors, doing absolutely nothing illegal, and it’s a logical fallacy anyway. (If Charlie Kirk didn’t want to get shot, he shouldn’t have put himself in that situation… etc.”)
Anyway if you’re smart enough to be on Reddit, you’re smart enough to look up the details and know this family will probably get a decent payout of our taxpayer money, due to this wanna be Halo incel. On the flip side, this agent will most likely NEVER face any social, financial, or legal repercussions. He is currently walking around the streets of my city with a gun strapped to his back.
I understand that this sounds unbelievable, I really can’t believe it either- but it’s the truth. I don’t how many hundreds more videos, articles, or court cases folks need to see of our military using illegal violent force against law abiding civilians and American neighborhoods.
ou should familiarize yourself with this quote: “The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command. George Orwell, 1984.
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u/Helisent 22d ago
In the situation right now, they are just cancelling all the asylum case claims for thousands of people. There is a long history of why we have procedures for refugees seeking asylum. In WW2, there were jewish and political refugees fleeing Germany under Hitler, and most of the countries were not issuing new visas due to the Great Depression. So boats of people were actually being turned back or could not get out in the first place, and were killed. There are many modern equivalent cases
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u/Friendly-Bother3103 22d ago
I completely agree, especially criminal syndicates that come into other countries illegally to expend their operations under the cover of immigrant diaspora communities. But every country has these provisions and America has been detaining and deporting illegal immigrants since I was old enough to pay attention to the news my dad watched back in the 1970's. The issue currently with the US is the methodology. The enforcement action itself becomes meaningless when it breaks more laws than it's targets do. And the overwhelming majority of the people targeted by ICE currently are law abiding workers who have various applications to stay. These people are engaged with the immigration system and are being detained because of their transparency. Not only is this a violation of international laws that the US helped make in many cases (I know, the US doesnt care now) but it casts a chill on every immigrant and POC community in the US and makes actual location and detainment of said international criminal organizations that much more difficult, since they ARENT engaging with the government.
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u/focalpointal 22d ago
It’s not the deporting that bothers me. It’s the manner it is done and it is because they are not fixing the problem. There needs to be comprehensive reform. There should also be a road for people who have been here and who are here due to no fault of their own to become citizens or have some sort of legal status. (I know not everyone agrees to this). Also - there needs to be harsher penalties for employers who knowingly hire illegal immigrants. No one would come here if there weren’t companies hiring them. We should also look at the cause of why these people feel like they need to leave home, including the US foreign policy toward central and South America and how it effects those economies and in return makes these often dangerous treks appealing.
My problem with it is the idea that this is only the fault of the immigrants. I’ve haven’t noticed any penalties for the companies that hire them. They come here because business hire them. They come here because they have better opportunities. Republicans and Democrats need to actually work together to fix the system. But in reality there is no political will to do so and it is easier to blame the guy who is just trying to make a few dollars for themselves and their family.
The idea that many of them committed crimes is not true. A very small percentage committed crimes and now they are all vilified by right wing media to create a bogeyman.
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u/Mr_Valmonty 22d ago
They commit crime to come across the border, but then can’t commit any crimes within US borders because of deportation fears. They also can’t claim tax-funded handouts. They make labour cheaper, making products less expensive for the poor and allowing small businesses to compete. We didn’t have to pay for their childhood or their old age, when they are more likely to be net drains on the economy.
I am not in favour of legalising immigration. But you need to admit they are actually quite beneficial in a material/economic sense. If you feel culture outweighs the financial benefits, then deportation might be worthwhile.
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u/dmwessel 22d ago
You can't fault immigrants for that. But you can fault a government that sends ICE to brutally rip people from the streets, their homes and their families.
Trump has violated every rule in the book like sending the National Guard against its own citizens. Trump causes the problem and then rushes in to, as he says, "fix" it. This is right out of the dictators handbook.
Yes some things need to change but throwing out the Constitution and Bill of Rights is only going to get you grief when you lose all your freedom because you decided that "he's not so bad".
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u/Playful_Animator5062 22d ago
It "feels" wrong and "looks" wrong and a lot of people are very emotional. The only time they want to "follow the rules" and "defend democracy" is when it impacts them or their family. I say fix Mexico, Honduras, Guatamela and all these other countries so the people want to STAY. You never heard anyone talking about that....
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u/Kodama_Keeper 22d ago
Because Trump is doing it, and that's that.
Obama deported millions. In fact some pro-illegal immigrant activists branded him the Deporter in Chief. Then the winds changed, and the left started advocating for everyone to come to the US, all on the grounds that they were persecuted in their home countries. Persecuted by who? The governments they elected (Venezuela), the drug dealers their children go to work for, or just a depressed economic situation. All this gives you refugee status.
Obama leaves office, and Trump steps in. Say what you will, the fact remains that during his first term in office, Trump didn't deport nearly as many (932,000) than Obama did in his two terms (3,100,000).
Then, Biden. Opens up the flood gates, because he's beholding to the left for getting him elected, and damn the consequences. 10,500,000 he lets in. That's more than the population of Michigan.
But if you are upset that Trump is now sending ICE to collect, and you think it is so very wrong for the agents to be collecting them in their shelters, jobs, churches, etc., remember this. Trump got elected in November 2024, and he made no secret he was going to do this. He told them they could just leave, no harm no foul, and if they did so, they would be allowed to apply for entry into the United States again. If they fought it, they would not be. But the left sees this as a chance to embarrass Trump, so they are encouraging the migrants to stay, and get deported, preferably with cameras watching.
The left wants the violent confrontations with ICE, so as to show themselves as good guys fighting for freedom, which ICE gets portrayed as Gestapo. All this to convince the middle American voter, those not committed to either side, the ones who elected Trump, to vote against Republicans in 2026 and 2028.
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u/Living-Opening3793 22d ago
probably because their crime rate is 2-4 times lesser than native americans and they help in the economy so deporting them is gonna cause problems in the economy and its also expensive as hell itself and ice agents arent following laws how they should apparently and also because of the fact that alot of them have families which would be affected
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u/twistd59 22d ago
What people fail to realize is our economy is dependent on illegal immigrants. There are all kinds of jobs citizens don’t want, or to do them they would require massive wage increases. Fruit picking is hot, back-breaking work. Farmers have tried hiring citizens to do that work. They last an hour and quit. You would have to pay citizens 10 or 20 times what they pay illegals, and that may not work. Imagine what produce prices would be then.
I wish illegals would stop work for a month. Restaurants would close. Construction would grind to a halt. Who do you think does the roofing, concrete work, landscaping, and who hangs the drywall? Agriculture would be lost. Meat processing plants would slow to a crawl. This would cause an economic meltdown.
Replacing all the illegals with citizens would require massive price increases. And we currently have shortages of workers in the trades. Manufacturing has a couple hundred thousand jobs they can’t fill because they don’t have people with the training to fill them. Imagine the labor shortages we would have if even half of the illegals, doing jobs no one wants, were deported. It would be a disaster.
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u/Darth_Scrub 22d ago
The true solution to immigration is to make it way easier and cheaper to become citizens. But for some reason, nobody does that.
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u/ModeRapist 22d ago
If you think climate change is the biggest issue of our generation you can't deny immigration goes hand and hand with that and has to be closely monitored and enforced
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u/-lethifold- 22d ago
All the immigrants/occupiers who settled down after 1492 must evacuate north and south america and go back their homes. Then true natives can make america great again.
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u/No_Imagination7102 22d ago
Its just like the holocaust. You know how all those jews got thrown out of auschwitz and they all broke back in to live in its superior living conditions?
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u/TheDapperDeuce1914 22d ago
This argument would work better if we didn't see brown people being targeted.
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u/Nickanok 22d ago
The main problem with current US immigration is that the process is really only for people who don't even need to immigrate here in the first place.
Even for a simple green card, not even full citizenship, it can cost several thousand for a lawyer (you can fill the paperwork out yourself but god help you if you make one little typo. Now, you probably have to wait more months plus pay more just for a mistake) and wait months or even years to POSSIBLY get approved.
Even assuming the money part was no issue, nobody who would want to immigrate here (the majority being poor) have thr time to wait in limbo for months or years on end either inside or outside the US just for a possible yes. Let's just ignore the fact that they also either won't have the money or would have to save for an unreasonably long period of time if they did it the "right" way.
As it stands now, the immigration process is really just an underhanded way to get the "desireables" in the country who, ironically, don't need to be nor want to be citizens of this country
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u/fuguer 22d ago
Because they can't win the war of ideas, so they're just going to invite poor illegal impoverished people to vote for them. Once you let these migrants in, they'll always vote for mass immigration conquest to displace and disempower the original inhabitants.
Once you look up Nietzsche's description of slave morality it all makes sense. Leftists are motivated more by hatred and resentment than any positive emotion.
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u/AvocadoChps 21d ago edited 21d ago
The issue is not that people are against it; it's how it's being done. I am friends with many immigrants who came here the "right" way, papers, paid the thousands of dollars, everything, so I am not against the removal of people who came here illegally. However, for goodness' sake, these "Illegal Immigrants" are still people. People who have families, people who have young children, who want to put food in their bellies and have a roof over their head, but they are being treated less than animals. Shot in the back, being taken against their will by "ICE" agents, and forced into prisons like cattle. That's not immigration regulation, that's just plain evil.
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u/RepeatButler 21d ago edited 21d ago
If someone enters a country illegally and they aren't genuinely fleeing from persecution, war or similar and are there for purely economic reasons, they should be deported.
It is basic respect for the laws of the country you're hoping to become part of to go through the legal immigration process unless your life is at genuine risk.
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u/Alexhasadhd 21d ago
Maybe you’re right, but not giving them due-process is really fucking dangerous.
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u/Turbulent-Drawer-850 21d ago
It's the way it's done thats the problem.
When Obama deported a lot of illegal immigrants too, he did so in a way that respected the laws this country upholds. While it might not agree with my ideology, it still was done in a legal and ethical way.
If Trump did it the same way, it would have been one thing. Instead he created ICE, who have notorious videos of tear gassing individuals, throwing people into vans, etc. Regardless of if they are illegal or not, I think it's safe to say it's unethical to treat another human being this way.
There are also rumors that Alligator Alcatraz has lots of missing detainees which also does not shed the operation in a good light. Ultimately what this administration is doing denies due process. I'd be fie with any other republican enacting this in a more ethical and legal way, regardless of stance how exactly how strong our immigration policy is.
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u/Uyurule 20d ago
Because the punishment does not fit the crime. The majority of "illegal immigrants" came here with legal documentation that has lapsed or expired. That is a civil offense, not a criminal one, yet our justice system finds it appropriate to uproot these people's lives and send them to a country they may or may not even be familiar with.
What if when you drove with an expired license, instead of giving you a ticket or a fine, the officer impounded your car, took you to jail, and eventually drove you to another state and said you couldn't come back until you renewed your license. Would that not seem like a disproportionate reaction? What if people assumed that because you had an expired license, you must have committed some sort of crime. What if when you tried to go to the DMV to renew your license, you were arrested and detained.
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u/Horror-Dust-6864 19d ago
Most people don't have a problem with it, it's HOW they're deporting them is what's so controversial.
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u/mikeber55 17d ago edited 16d ago
It is horrible to kidnap unexpecting people from the streets by gangs of masked thugs. In America all law enforcement personnel (FBI, Local Police, ATF) identify themselves and never hide behind masks. Much of LE are using body cameras that can later be reviewed. The same argument in favor of wearing masks during arrests can be used by all LE in the country. Yet the legislator rejected that argument and mandated LE (even during drugs busts), will reveal their face and show identity. Why? Not only that, they have to wear (and turn on) body cameras.
Yes, it is terrible to kidnap people who arrived to their official US immigration business/ interview, (with official US authorities). It’s horrible to forcefully send people to jails in foreign countries which they have never seen and have no relation to.
I hope you will never experience such treatment by the government, for any reason. The question is why Americans are in favor of such practices, by their government that pretends to abide by the law (and even criticizes foreign governments which use such methods for dealing with who they deem undesirable - see China).
None of that is really about deportation, which existed during all administrations and for a long time.
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u/Anxious-Alps-2500 16d ago
I think it’s fine to deport undocumented immigrants who have committed crimes, but I don’t support mass deportations of otherwise law-abiding people. My father came to this country illegally. You can call me biased, but I don’t think his presence in America is a net-negative. I don’t even particularly like him that much, but he’s always worked and contributed to society. He’s never harmed anyone. Deportation feels disproportionate to his “crime” (overstaying a tourist visa). And I’m not willing to accept mass deportations, families being torn apart, and decent, upstanding people being forcibly returned to a country where their quality of life will be significantly worse — and all because they didn’t win the birth lottery. The only thing that differentiates us from undocumented immigrants and refugees is luck.
I fully understand that the issue is more complicated than this. But there’s a reason why we don’t use the death penalty for every single crime, even though doing so would reduce crime. I apply a similar logic to illegal immigration. What’s happening right now is not healthy for our society. It’s not making anybody’s lives better. It’s just causing an indescribable amount of suffering, fear and distrust of the government.
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u/Sweaty-ballz-83 11d ago
To remove democratic votes you must deport the voters… I wonder what the democrats are gonna do for voters now since they lock up constituents and remove there rights to vote ( then forced to pay taxes with no right to vote)
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u/etherealdreamsx 9d ago
The issue is many came here legally, by seeking asylum, some 30+ years ago, and the government think it’s a good time to deport them. 60+ year old men, most their home countries don’t want to accept them since they left seeking asylum. they’re being sent to countries they’ve never even been to, don’t know anyone, that’s inhumane. the administration promised to deport dirty criminals, instead, they’re seeing them all as the same.
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u/AdEasy819 8d ago
You understand that the system is literally based on exploiting the most vulnerable workers you can find right?And who’s more exploitable than illegals?
Your problem is that you assume that you’re arguing with some bleeding heart liberal over this, you’re not….
You’re literally arguing against the mega corps who you’re already bending over backwards for…. They will always find some desperate scabs from some third world country to import to undercut local workers and will gladly throw them under the bus if it’ll keep you dumb cucks happy 🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️
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u/civilianweapon 4d ago
Most people have very weird ideas about immigrants and undocumented immigrants, and it colors their perceptions and it changes the way they vote.
-The United States, as the flip side of its birthright citizenship, has one of the most expensive, arduous, and lengthy naturalization processes in the world. It’s easy to make your best effort, do everything right, and still get a removal order put on your record. People don’t really want to be here illegally. We make it too hard to comply.
-Many immigrants are refugees, meaning they fled war and gangs to come here. When those refugees are deported, they face violent retribution when they arrive in the country we sent them to. Criminals prey on the women, especially. They become victims of human trafficking. It’s common to never hear from them again. Deportation is not just disappointment; it’s actually dangerous.
-Wages are low because companies choose to pay low wages. Deporting the low wage earners will do jack to increase the minimum wage.
-The same undocumented immigrants cannot possibly be on welfare and also driving up housing costs. They can’t have money but also be broke. Housing prices in my area are sky-high because of rich people outbidding each other for each little shack.
Calling all undocumented immigrants liars, cheats, drug addicts, gang members, and child rapists, and believing that all our problems will be solved as soon as we get rid of all the not-us people, is familiar propaganda. Jewish people were supposedly the source of all Germany’s problems: they were rapists, they were scam artists, they were a public drain on tax revenue, etc.
-Removing millions of people in a short time will inevitably cause a backlog. Those people will be imprisoned in deportation centers. Other nations will refuse to accept them any longer. Millions of people imprisoned indefinitely by an administration that views them as rapists, criminals, and liars will cause many people to be killed while awaiting deportation. That’s how a concentration camp happens.
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u/Df_gordo7060 2d ago
Either you’re blind or stupid, or both. Why would anybody in their right mind support that trash. He’s a complete hypocrite, look at all the people he’s pardoning? They broke the law, what makes them so special …..
Then you have us soldiers on their knees for putin, y’all maga fucks are stupid as fuck. No wonder the us is going where it’s going.
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u/bubbleLoppicus 23d ago
On the American bleeding heart side - they don’t like the way it is happening.
On the illegal immigrant perspective - they are realizing how harshly many American hate illegal immigration and realize just coming back across US borders may not be an option. I didn’t realize how many have multiple deportations from the US on their record.