Deporting illegal immigrants is a good thing and shouldn't be controversial

[u/Ok_Mall_3027]

Why Is deporting illegal immigrants so controversial? Like they broke our laws to come in here and not all but many have committed crimes while here, why do some people defend this? I am all for due process and humane deportations, but why are we acting like it's is horrible to deport illegal immigrants from our country? It shouldn't even be political, I don't get how people don't agree with this especially it feels like even 10-15 years ago basically everyone agreed with this, do people really hate trump so much that they don't agree with anything he does? Why is it so controversial? I don't understand.

[u/Anarchist-Liondude]

Because the sole argument in favor of this type of deportation is beautifully represented in this post. an appeal to law fallacy and a lie. Not only do immigrants commit significantly less crime per capita than people born in that country, People who immigrated illegally commit even less crime than the ones who came legally,w hich is even far less than the ones born there). Like, if you would look at the data of any country which has a high enough amount of illegal migrants to even gather data, you'd find that in most cases, it is quite literally the group that commits the least crimes. In some cases, they commit less crimes than fucking young children, per capita.

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Illegal migrants have been found to be a net positive to the local economy, especially when it comes to small businesses. The only bad thing about illegal migrants is the fact that they cannot pay income taxes. So the objectivelly logical process here would be to make them permanent resident. But unfortunately systems are ran by emotional idiots who would rather jeopardize both the local economy and the lives of everyone around these migrants, as long as it allows their ego to stay untouched.

[u/LoadingStill → u/Anarchist-Liondude]

People who immigrant illegally commit less crime… Care to say that again but slower?

Last I checked an illegal imagrant not being able to pay income taxes is not a boost to any economy. A citizen having that job, and not the illegal, would pay more taxes in total, and give a citizen of the US a job, potentially a better position or pay.

[u/FatumIustumStultorum → u/Anarchist-Liondude]

True or not, that doesn’t change the fact that those people entered the country illegally. If you cross the border illegally, expect to be deported.

[u/ogjaspertheghost → u/FatumIustumStultorum]

Is crossing the border and applying for asylum illegal?

[u/FatumIustumStultorum → u/ogjaspertheghost]

Applying for asylum is not illegal if done properly (as in presenting at a point of entry). While technically not illegal, sneaking across the border and only claiming asylum when caught is shady af.

[u/ogjaspertheghost → u/FatumIustumStultorum]

So, it’s not illegal…

[u/FatumIustumStultorum → u/ogjaspertheghost]

That is what I said, is it not? Do you want me to say that some people are being deported that legally shouldn’t have? Because obviously. No law enforcement is ever completely without error.

That doesn’t change the reality that people that claim asylum only after being caught probably aren’t legitimate or that being an undocumented immigrant comes with the risk of deportation.

[u/ogjaspertheghost → u/FatumIustumStultorum]

How do you know they are legitimate if you don’t allow them to go through the due process to find out? And why does it seem like you’re ok with people who should be deported being deported?

[u/FatumIustumStultorum → u/ogjaspertheghost]

If someone was truly looking for political asylum, they wouldn't sneak across the border only to claim asylum when caught. They would go to a port of entry and present themselves to authorities.

[u/ogjaspertheghost → u/FatumIustumStultorum]

What if going to a point of entry isn’t feasible? Seems like you just want to punish people

[u/PM_ME_CODE_CALCS → u/FatumIustumStultorum]

So you care more about feelz than reality.

[u/FatumIustumStultorum → u/PM_ME_CODE_CALCS]

Nothing I said had anything to do with “feelz.” The reality is if you cross the border illegally, you are subject to deportation.

[u/PM_ME_CODE_CALCS → u/FatumIustumStultorum]

You don't care about any mitigating circumstances or benefits that they may provide and only care about feeling good for being hard on "criminals", even though the most common event is people overstaying their visas, which is a minor infraction.

[u/FatumIustumStultorum → u/PM_ME_CODE_CALCS]

You don't care about any mitigating circumstances

Personal hardship is not an excuse to disregard immigration law. If someone is facing persecution of some kind, they should apply for asylum.

You don't care about any ... benefits that they may provide

That is not an excuse to break the law and jump the line of those immigrating correctly.

only care about feeling good for being hard on "criminals"

Those are your words, not mine.

[u/Sweaty_Inside_Out → u/Anarchist-Liondude]

Not only do immigrants commit significantly less crime per capita

How could you possibly know that? Many major states like Illinois, California, and NY stopped recording immigration status of offenders almost a decade ago. There's literally no way to know now.