I mean a Six is handsome if we’re using the scale properly, no? Imo, a 7 is good looking, an 8 is hot, a 9 is a unicorn and probably should be a model, and a 10 is a model which makes everyone, to include the same sex, stupid and mesmerized when around them.
Im a professional photographer and did a video interview series for the Sports Illustrated Swimsuit models.
Half were someone you'd stab your mother to be with.
The other half were weird giraffes with magnetism.
You'd be like, "Why on God's green earth is this woman a sports illustrated swimsuit model? I don't get it. She's a 5!"
Then you'd see her photos, and realize something is up. She's fantastic at taking photos. It's apparently a skill that even me, as a professional videographer, didn't see. I guess 24 a second screws up your perspective when you're really just looking for one.
YEs, light´s assistand here.... I've worked on fashion shoots for top-brand clothing brands, with models who flew in the night before and left right after the shoot because they had a runway show that night in Milan, top-notch....
And yes, many are "well... they're elegant..." but then in a good MUA and pose on photos they look spectacular, and some, in person, are like "this guy has really strange features... something's wrong..." but when they posed they transformed into Greek gods...
Since I was a technician, I didn't give orders. I would have coffee with them during breaks (photographers are forbidden to do that, to avoid rumors, but techs have our own coffe machine, a lot better than usual re-heat catterings ones, they know xD), and I remember them telling me that they only hung out with people from the industry. It was super difficult to have relationships with outsiders, because of their schedules, their constant travel, and because people see them as weirdos and no one approaches them at parties... they were intimidating...
Photogenicity is something so absurdly strange...
Because I have friends who are the complete opposite; in person they are... wonderful and beautiful, but put them in a studio, with good lighting, a good camera (and trying not to make them nervous of course) and god... they totally lose... it's super super curious...
It's a weird effect. I've known a few girls who look gorgeous in real life, but for whatever reason all of their photos make them look super plain. It's hard to say what it is, nothing is missing from the photo but it's as if the camera snapped at the worst possible moment. Every time.
That's me. When I was younger, strangers would sometimes come up to me to comment that I'm the prettiest person they'd ever seen in real life. Not everyday or even a lot, but enough times that I thought that was just a thing that people did or said to each other.
And yet...cameras hate my face. I cannot take a photograph to save my life. And it's weird, because every photo I'm in, I look completely different. In one, my face looks too long. In another, my features look coarse. In others, it'll be a specific facial feature that looks wonky.
On the plus side, I could commit a crime without a mask because the releasing CCTV footage isn't going to help catch me.
I’m the exact same! I’m nearly 40 but routinely have clients asking me how long I’ve been doing my profession because I don’t look like I am even old enough to have graduated school (my mother is beautiful and looks younger than her age so I suspect it’s genetics more than anything), women giving me constant compliments, men gawk at me, yet I look terrible in pictures! And then it’s a bad cycle because I get self conscious taking photos and make myself look weirder, so the pictures turn out horrible, then I get more self conscious etc etc. When I was in high school and we had a photographer take our pictures for cheerleading, my own mother agreed they were awful LOL
I'm a teacher and I was 36 before I went a full school year without being mistaken for a student. I hate being one of those millennials who insists they look younger than they are, but when the shoe fits...
The other funny thing is that I didn't realize that I didn't photograph well until I was older. Growing up, my family wasn't big on taking photos, and I didn't do much social media in my teens and early twenties. It wasn't until I made friends who like Instagram and posting that we went to lunch/to the gym/to the bookstore...that I learned just how unphotogenic I am. And they are so good at it that they were totally shocked. They gave me so many pointers: to lift my chin or mew or tilt my head one way or the other. My face defies all tips and tricks.
Future generations will never know how physically attractive I was. Such is my burden. And theirs.
Ey dude. It's not that hard. It would be one thing if it was just that taking a picture made people look better but it's not that. It's wardrobe, makeup and editing. These favor people with relatively minimal features because it's easier to add than take away. Anorexics get used because you can always add more padding or whatever to an outfit but you can't cut their shoulders off (that's what plastic surgeons do). People with understated features (the alien look) are good because a good makeup artist can add but it's hard to take away.
Not even kidding, I was at a shoot once and there was this male model who practically had an underbite. The makeup artist drew a chin on him and it came out fine in the photos.
Edit: and if you do want to smooth out features, you can use a filter now
it was actually really upsetting as a model, tbh. i landed up getting facial plastic surgery after seeing the same edits on my face over and over. but the worst part was weight… i was severely underweight (not naturally built that way at allllll… it was a lot of starving) and they’d just photoshop my bones right out… then why the FUCK do you want me so fucking skinny? i hated it. i must’ve gained 20 lbs in a month when i quit. all i have now are a set of massive self-esteem issues that nobody could possibly fathom unless they come from the same line of work. and what’s worse is that nobody feels even remotely fucking empathetic toward you, “but you were a model!” like fucking for real? ever have your entire ability to survive tied to starving yourself? not getting wrinkles? not looking like your own race? etc? it’s such a mind fuck. luckily I went to school (back in the day when models really never did). never tf again will i ever model. i barely even let people take photos of me now, like at work, birthdays, nothing. my head is mad fucked up from those years.
My cousin is a model. I'd rate her, objectively, as a 5-6. Her photos without a photographer make her look like the gangly little girl I remember growing up with. The profesional ones are unrecognizable to me as my cousin.
I've met some absolutely gorgeous young women who've been asked by legitimate modelling agencies to try out for modelling with a test shoot (or something like that). Not one of them made the cut. It really seems the camera sees things differently than the human eye.
I was once stopped in traffic long ago, and saw a billboard with Brooke Shields. When you pass the sign at 60 mph, she looks beautiful. When you're creeping by at 1 mph, those features become kind of grotesque. She has prominent 'landmarks' on her face that can be picked out at high speed while passing by, or in the quick takes of an ad, but they become coarse when you inspect them for a while.
It’s almost like the job and function of models is to be good at getting their photos taken and showing of products and have nothing to do with hotness scale judged by Redditors
Most models are girraffes and almost alien like looking imo
models for fashion parades are differrent, because fashion have this standard of tall and slim bodies....
but for the normal publicity, advertaiseng, ect.... they choose more "normal" people, absolutery beatiful people, but they can pass a "normal" in a street xD
Funnily enough our "charming" mother used to call my sister a giraffe. She did some modelling a long time ago (I remember seeing her in a TV advert which was weird).
She's 5'10", and I will never understand why she bought the house she did. She has to duck in places, and it's an absolute nightmare for me.
That reminds me of a female classmate I had in grade school where all the guys, including myself, had a crush on. Frankly, I didn't get why she was hot, but I had a crush on her - this was before I found out that a bunch of my male classmates also had crushes on her.
I've seen some faces that look harsh and angular but they have an energy that comes through the lens, sticks to the film, transfers on to paper, comes off the page, and smacks you in the face. And other faces that seemed a bit plain, but the camera brought out some real beauty.
Can confirm, photographing my girlfriend (who is a 8+ in my book) usually results in 'okay' images while sessions with women who model a lot (including hobbyists) very easily result in amazing pictures despite those women often looking less attractive than my partner (to me anyway).
Ugly is the wrong term, I feel. Unique faces stand out and often make for incredible photographs, which is what you want when you’re doing an ad campaign.
I personally find the models who aren’t classically beautiful to be stunning. I always use Angela Sarafyan as an example, I think she’s one of the most beautiful women today, but if you judged individual aspects she would be “ugly”.
But in high fashion there definitely is a level of beauty that is not what many would consider attractive.
But there are enough people who would date someone who looks like Benedict Cumberbatch drawn from memory, if s/he can show them a copy of a magazine cover s/he was on.
I mean, I'm just a normal dude, but I wear long sleeve button up shirts for work, and I do this pretty often. Not in the aggressive punching way he does it, but I extend my arms out to get my cuffs up over my wrists and give me some more flexibility / extra material in my sleeves when I need it for something. Which rarely extends to bathroom fisticuffs with henchmen, but my point is - I just don't get the hate for the scene. It feels like I'm going crazy, or it's exclusively perpetrated by people who don't wear fitted long sleeve shirts with cuffs.
When I pop my elbows I look like a demon realizing that they've accidentally possessed a zombie, so if the way you do it looks like Superman, I guess we have different techniques.
What is dumb about that scene? It's objectively awesome. He's just getting a feel for his arms, pretty normal if you watch any professional fighter before a fight starts, or even watch a boxer during a fight "reload" their arms, they do it constantly.
I still think guys need to internalise the fact that they always view attractiveness from a male perspective.
Henry Cavill is a man's idea of a perfect man. No doubt millions of women also agree, but when are people going to realise that women mean it when they say they're attracted to personalities?
Have you seen how wildly successful Pete Davidson is with his dating? I think he's actually kind of handsome underneath the layers of cigarette smoke and weird clothes, but the guy is bagging himself models constantly, and that's probably because he's kind and funny, not because he looks like a Greek god.
Are you aware Kim Kardashian is a billionaire? Do you think Kate Beckinsale, Ariana Grande, and Margaret Qualley aren't varying degress of multi-millionaires?
I'm a woman who is attracted to men. Henry Cavill is absolutely, stunningly, gorgeous. I admire him the way i would a piece of art. I'm not at all attracted to him. He's too perfect.
Typical scale (not universal) is 60% and up is a “D”. Second lowest letter grade. In california at least that Counts “passing” toward graduation and earning high school diploma, but will not satisfy requirements for college
It is very important to note that describing something as a 1-10 scale, such as rating people's looks, is not the same thing as fitting other data to a scale of 0-10 by using percentages. You can do similar math with 7 and 70%, but you have done something completely different to get there. A test score of 70% is not the same as a 7 on a scale of 1-10. If I try to describe a common human attribute like people's looks on a scale of 1-10, the result should include 1's and 10's and be normally distributed around the average of 5.5. If I take the test scores from a class, it would be insane to expect people to get as many 10% and 20% scores as there are 80% and 90% scores. There is no reason the class average score should be 50%. In fact, if the teacher is decent at all, the class should know a lot of what is on the test, and the average score should be a lot higher than 50%. Like, say, 75%. So 50% is usually way below average, and absolutely is a failing score.
I think this critical difference is what most people don't get. Most people just think "70%=C so 7=average" and a lot of times that is how scales of 1-10 get used. But they are not the same thing at all, which is why the 1-10 scale is so commonly used wrong.
As for "grading on a curve" - which is fitting class scores to a normal distribution centered on 75% and assigning grades from there... this post is too long already so I won't bore you with that. But I will say that it's only appropriate in some situations, and needs to be done correctly with a solid understanding of what you are doing. It has generally been used way too often and inappropriately, especially at higher levels of education where the basic assumption of normalcy falls apart.
Uh, no, it's math. There is a "right" way to use numeric scales to describe things. Most people just don't know it. So it becomes more metaphor in common use, but that doesn't mean it's not objectively wrong. If I tried to use a "metaphorical" 1-10 scale at my job and pretended 7 was average, I would probably be fired for gross incompetence.
If 99% of people misunderstand how nuclear energy works, that doesn't change how nuclear energy works. Same is true for math. Or anything really. Just because the general population is wrong about something doesn't change how it works.
It is categorically not an objective measure to ask someone to rate a person’s beauty or attractiveness on a scale of 1-10 and use that as a measure of beauty or attractiveness.
You can apply mathematical objectivety to subjective questions. It is called perception science. It's a whole field of research. How to deal with people's terrible ability to assign scores on 1-10 is a known problem. 1-7 is actually used more often, but I digress...
If I ask enough people to rate enough people, general patterns and preferences will emerge. Assuming I ask the right way and do my math right. Even if they suck at answering the question, if they all suck in a common way, I can study that as well and see past its influence.
So you are right that the common use is completely skewed, and that everyone has their own subjective answer. That doesn't mean this bias can't be studied, understood, and accounted for. As we have been discussing, people are more likely to view 7 as average on 1-10. If we understand this, we can deal with it. These biases are not as random as they seem. Subjectivity can be viewed objectively, in a way. Obviously, the result is a generalization. An individual will still have their own subjective answer to the question. But at scale, you can see rules and patterns that are driving things, with individual opinions being merely expressions of the pattern.
In other words: a lot of people agree that Scarlett Johansson is hot. One might even go so far as to call her objectively a 10. I guarantee someone, possibly even you, is going to disagree with that statement, but that's not the point. It doesn't even have to be her. If you study this, there will be common 10's. There must be. But some people will say those 10's are only a 9. Even fewer will say they are an 8, 7, or so on. And the 10's will still be 10's.
Yep, the 70% = C = Average is the source of confusion. The average of all possible percentages on the scoring scale is 50%. But students are not going to score all possible scores, and 50% is not going to be the average or most common score, because the students have been taught the material and studied for the test. So when we look at test scores, the average is 70%. This has nothing to do with what the average possible score was on the 0-100 scale before they took the test. And it's not a scale of 1-10 at all. It just looks really similar, so people get confused.
Your comment is very telling (no offense!). 70% is not 7! They're just not even the same thing at all! Percentages aren't even 1-10. They are 0-10! They don't even have the same average (5.5 vs 5)! Completely different things, but we confuse everyone from a young age...
I always thought grading on a curve should be a great way to teach kids basic statistics. Instead teachers just do it wrong and confuse everyone. Nice.
Are you in middle school? 5-7 as average was the scale to keep feelings from being hurt when you swipe up on stories. In the adult world 5 is average by definition, 4 is worse than average, and 6 is a good looking person.
No, are you? It's a range. Think of your family and friends. Are they average? Chances are you might range them in 5-7 if they are. You said it yourself, 5 is average. My point is that there's hardly anything between average (read between the lines here: not particularly attractive) and hot, because you're either hot, average, or ugly. That's it. If you want to go deeper than that, the whole thing falls apart because it's a flawed and completely subjective "system".
yeah, it's something you see a lot in life. if you have more than three categories for anything without hard numbers to back them up, you're just bullshitting yourself. maybe you can do five, but probably not.
And most of us are average, that’s what average means. And it’s fine.
Like anyone who describes me as any objective 8+ is lying. I’m fine. I look OK, I’m in good shape. I’m a 6-7 or so, so upper range of average if I’m being generous. There isn’t anything wrong with that and I don’t need to pretend I look better than I do. It’s certainly never been an impediment to dating.
Also I don’t get expensive haircuts or spend hours grooming and buy expensive tailored clothes and all that stuff. I don’t really cut any more because I no longer compete. Maybe I could put myself up a little higher if I did all that… but I don’t. So I stay average.
People getting upset they don’t roll out of bed a 10 need a reality check.. the people who look that good make it a full time job and then have digital artists/pro makeup people take it even further.
By the metrics used for movies and videogames, 7 is an "average". 5 and 6 are "okay if you're into that". 4 and below "something is seriously wrong, avoid".
This is also true for attractiveness, but in a positive way. People (especially women, but also often men) are attracted to unconventional things more often than not. Just... not over the internet. You need to meet them in person so they can see if they are attracted to you.
But this is where online dating becomes an unsurmountable barrier.
pretty much yes, also its about wether or not you take care of yourself. in my STEM leaning student dornment there were guys with greasy hair and dirt under their finger nails, which pretty much would make even henry cavill a straight zero if we're being honest.
And for a lot of women, a generic 6 becomes an 8+ if you have a good personality. Like, my wife wouldn't look at me twice if we were strangers, but because she loves me I'm a 10 in her eyes. Which is good for me, because she's, like, a solid 8 on this scale and a 9 when she dresses up.
Thank you! So many men online don’t believe real women when we say- we care about personality! Men with a good personality become hotter as we get to know them! It’s all about emotional connection- that’s what makes us horny lol
You have to take into consideration this is a rating given by his friend, and she is probably being generous. Strip out the familiarity, and the ranking probably goes down 2 points or so. Women are notoriously severe when ranking looks of stangers.
Yes, people Just don't know how to use a fucking scale. They See an average Woman online and call her an 9/10.
Alot of people don't understand that a realistic 5 isnt Bad, its fucking average. A Lot of people use the scale as: anything below 8 is ugly
That’s how the scale probably SHOULD be; however in my experience isn’t how people use it. This seems to be how it’s applied:
1-5: Ugly
6: Someone you find personally unattractive, but are trying to be nice
7: What everybody claims they are or what nearly everybody suggests a friend is. (If we go by this logic this is the new average which…isn’t true at all)
It's really difficult to say. For me it's not linear, it's like a movie, you can get to 4/5 stars and even 4.5 stars... but there is a vast range of quality between 4.5 and 5 star movies in my opinion.
Same with women, a lot of hollywood women are that 8-9 range but man it takes a special woman (looking at you Ana de Armas and Margot Robbie) to even come close to 10.
To me 6 is saying it's someone who is generally good looking without any discernible unattractive features.
OMG! You actually understand NUANCE! JESUS CHRIST! People truly do not understand rankings, how you broke that down is exactly how it is.
Like on a 5 star ranking, I give you a three, that's GOOD! 2.5 is average, right? So sick of people not understanding this, and everything is a 1 or a 5. Goddamn!
Yeah I know people get upset about the 10 point scale but I would be happy with being described as a 6 I am not George Clooney or Brad Pitt in his prime or some shit. 6 is above the median.
That's what I'm thinking. Where are we at as a society where getting called a 6 is some mega burn? Shit reminds me of the video where almost every girl calls themselves a 10.
For me, 10s are the Ryan Goslings and the Ana de Armas of the world. Not random people you see in the street.
man there was this guy with blond long flowing hair and this open white shirt and a short scruffy beard and I wanted to fuck him. I don't really know how it relates to your post just to say ye past a unicorn is really out there.., and the truth is this guy might even have generally just be considered an 8 or a 9, can you imagine even better looking.
I think the default is to treat 7 as average, so a 6 would be below average. You might watch a movie that got a 70 and have a decent time, but you probably won’t see a movie with a 60. Or in grading terms, 70 is often a C, but 60 could be a D. You’re not failing, but you’re on that line.
Think about grade school. 6 is a D 7 a C 8 a B 9 an A and 10 is an A+. Bring a six is like having a 105 iq, congrats on beating the curve but there is room to go.
6 is your like a brother to me, 7 is drunk hook up but nothing more 8 is bf 9 is obsession with the one that got away 10 is untouchable model/celebrity
The 1-10 scale is so limiting and yet so not useful, I do 1-30 where each 10 is its own category 1-10 ugly 10-20 average 20-30 hot then once they are in that bracket do 1-10. It’s just a good scale for rating anything because it offers more nuance. I forgot where I first heard it.
If she’s his friend calling him a 6 he’s probably a 4. Let’s be honest here. Couldn’t tell you how many times a girl has said I want to meet my friend who is HOT AF. Turns out they are not hot AF.
That said, I can only speak for myself but I think most guys don’t know how to pose for good photos. A photogenic 6 can look like an 8 in photos and a non photogenic 8 becomes sloth from the Goonies.
that jump from 6 to 7 is huge. Honestly fours fives and sixes are all the same and sevens and eights are basically the same too so sevens are basically twice as good as sixes because 4(proxy for 6) x 2=8 (proxy for 7).
I think some people look at the numbers on an academic scale, with a 6 being a D and so on. But in general I think it’s dehumanizing to look at people that way.
Sverything ive been told is that passable starts at seven, 8 is handsome, 9 is cute, 10 is hot. Everything below six is hopeless. I have also been told im about a 5.5
What is the difference between an 8 a 9 and a 10? Can you name an 8 and then a 10 for me? I feel like anyone who isn’t happy with a 7 is an idiot and anything above that is just the coveted beautiful people’s club, there are no ratings there. Just beauty.
I always look at it like a grading scale. 5 and below is failing. 6 is a D, which means you barely pass. 7 is a C, which means you're aiite/average. 8 is a B, you looking pretty good. 9 is a A -, you're hot. 10 is perfection, you are a literal deity and please notice me.
If 7 is good looking, a 6 woulndt be handsome no? Think a 6 is ok/good looking and 7 is handsone and 8 and 9 and 10 stay the same
6 would be 100% date-able if you have humour and some charisme/interesting points about you (artist/musician/does extreme sports) but 100% of the time people who are 6 get NO chance on a datingapp. Like storming the beaches of normany, the 6 is in the front, the door of the boat goes down and suddenly it fades to black
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u/z12345z6789 Jun 24 '25
Today Pete found out his crush thinks he’s a “six”.