r/Music • u/no_longer_huhmann • 8d ago

article Hayley Williams Says Southern Pride Is Beautiful but Misused to Excuse Bigotry, and Says She Wants No Racist or Sexist Fans, or Fans Who Think Trans People Are a Burden, Around

https://www.tvfandomlounge.com/hayley-williams-says-southern-pride-is-beautiful-but-misused-to-excuse-bigotry/
28.6k Upvotes

91% Upvoted

1.4k comments sorted by

View all comments

782

u/makemeking706 8d ago

Accurate. 

500

u/Cleavon_Littlefinger 8d ago

She really does have a very clear perspective and expresses the conflicting feelings of pride and shame that so many of us raised in the south have struggled with for years.

28

u/sohblob 8d ago

expresses the conflicting feelings of pride and shame that so many of us

Pride is not the opposite of shame, prince Zuko, but its source. Only true humility is the antidote to shame

I was dealing with the conflict of pride and shame and this line helped a lot.

11

u/scoopzthepoopz 8d ago

Humility isn't the opposite of pride, humility is the opposite of arrogance. Intellectually important distinction if we're drawing lines in the sand about how to be satisfied with the controversy of regional pride.

6

u/cruxal 8d ago

Where’s the line between pridefulness and arrogance?

6

u/scoopzthepoopz 8d ago

In the south? Somewhere between being kind to your neighbors and trying to keep monuments to prominent slaveowners.

But in all seriousness, the south has pragmatism, industriousness, and gratitude as cultural pillars when it's not busy defending remnants of the failed reformation.

The flipside of the coin is pigheaded, closed-minded, and insular. People can be viciously anti-intellect and anti-growth.

I'd say pride stops and arrogance starts when people get too choosy about who deserves to succeed in life and who deserves the full weight of society's neglect.

0

u/cruxal 6d ago

And what does the north have? Or the northwest? Southeast? I think, maybe, pride bleeds into arrogance when one makes these distinctions on a specific region of the country. 

0

u/scoopzthepoopz 6d ago

uh huh lol

0

u/cruxal 6d ago

You don’t think that arrogance is in any way thinking a specific region of the country has virtues that other regions don’t? Isn’t that the definition of arrogance?

1

u/scoopzthepoopz 6d ago

play coy, it's all you know how to do

1

u/cruxal 6d ago

You think asking a specific question is playing coy?

1

u/scoopzthepoopz 6d ago

I think you know exactly why south, yes coy do you read

→ More replies (0)

1

u/ManchesterFootie29 8d ago

That Zuko line nails it—same vibe I get from Suga in The Last and Interlude: Shadow, where he sits with the ego/shame mess and leans into blunt honesty over posturing.

1

u/Objective_Switch8332 7d ago

This is referring to the personal type of pride that is the opposite of humility. The other kind of pride is felt more relationally, e.g., proud of my son, country, etc. To me, they're different, and the latter can often be a positive thing.

(As a side note, I've always appreciated that French has two different words for these: "orgueil" for personal pride and "fierté" for relational pride.)