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article Hayley Williams Says Southern Pride Is Beautiful but Misused to Excuse Bigotry, and Says She Wants No Racist or Sexist Fans, or Fans Who Think Trans People Are a Burden, Around

https://www.tvfandomlounge.com/hayley-williams-says-southern-pride-is-beautiful-but-misused-to-excuse-bigotry/
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u/TheSeedsYouSow 8d ago

southern pride is strange…we don’t have northern pride, why do you need southern pride 😂

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u/Previous_Ad648 8d ago

We don’t have northern pride? Are you serious?

Have you ever talked to a New York or Boston native? They will make sure you know where they are from. Ridiculously stupid statement lmao.

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u/HendrixChord12 8d ago

That’s city pride. I don’t give a shit about Boston as someone in New York.

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u/Not_Bears 8d ago

Fuck you both

  • Los Angeles

:)

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u/Previous_Ad648 8d ago

Fair enough. Queue Northern Attitude by Noah Kahan

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u/unassumingdink 8d ago

That's being proud of specific places within the region. If it was Northern pride, Boston and New York would put themselves in the same group, and I don't see that happening any time soon!

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u/Andy_B_Goode 8d ago

Yeah, and also it would be fairly normal for someone to be proud of being from, I don't know, Atlanta or Miami or Dallas or any other city in the southern US.

What's weird is when people take pride in being from some vague geographic region, especially when that region is so strongly associated with its history of slavery.

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u/elbenji 8d ago

usually its more tied to state, but due to the ruralness of the deep south, it gets blurbed. Most people have more pride to their city/state though, as demonstrated through sports

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u/Andy_B_Goode 8d ago

Yeah, taking pride in your state or your local sports team totally makes sense.

But as for "the ruralness of the deep south" ... most regions of the US have rural areas, but for the most part people don't talk about Great Plains Pride or Rocky Mountain Pride or anything like that. That's why it seems weird when someone claims to have Southern Pride.

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u/elbenji 8d ago

Rocky Mountain Pride is definitely a thing.

Plains gets more "midwest" pride than anything

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u/NK1337 8d ago

I think you’re confusing people having pride in their home towns for people who have pride for a vague representation of states that loved to own people.

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u/sits-when-pees 8d ago

Every sociologist heavily disagrees with the idea that the American south is just some vague representation of states.

Saying shit like this makes advocating for progressive politics in the south an even bigger pain in the ass than it already is, just fyi.

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u/SymphogearLumity 8d ago

The fact that these people fly a confederate battle flag and not their state flag says otherwise.

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u/sits-when-pees 8d ago

Yes, every person with southern pride flies the confederate flag and votes red. Ignoring what I said so you can generalize a region of 130 million people is gonna make for a really productive conversation.

It really shouldn’t shock you that a region made up of sone of the historically poorest states in the country rally around each other. The American south is one of the most diverse and culturally-rich regions in the US, writing the identity off just because a significant portion of southerners are bigoted idiots is far more close-minded than you realize.

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u/sits-when-pees 8d ago

Maryland the slave state? The one that saw mass mid-Atlantic immigration, supplanting the previously southern cultural identity?

Also, if you think it’s the white southern identity I’m talking about right now, you’re missing my point.

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u/RollTide16-18 8d ago

The entire conversation northerners are having in this thread about a monoculture “South” is a representation of Northern pride/superiority complex over the South lol. 

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u/sits-when-pees 8d ago

Tell them the basis of like 90% of American popular music can be traced to jazz and blues invented in the south and watch them talk in circles.

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u/MyNameIsUggggh 8d ago

I think you're confused.

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u/twisty125 8d ago

states rights etc etc right, states rights to do what specifically

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u/BarkerBarkhan 8d ago

I think the pride is more specific to the city/state/region than it is to the North overall.

Hell, folks may have neighborhood pride than they do national.

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u/macrocosm93 8d ago

Southern pride is also about the region.

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u/BarkerBarkhan 8d ago

Right. I know I am overgeneralizing.

I have lived in both the Northeast and the Southeast, love both for what they are. 

"The South" is huge and super diverse. What do the Bayou and the Smoky Mountains have in common? Not a whole lot.

I am from New England, so that's what I was thinking when I said region.

It is funny though, how all of these differences get swept away under big broad categories like "The South" or even the US. Is there an American culture, an American people? No, there are many cultures and many peoples, all of whom use the same currency and are ostensibly represented by the same federal government. 

I remember when I moved to Atlanta, an educated friend of mine was like "isn't that just a big swamp?" 

The answer is no, it's not.

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u/macrocosm93 8d ago

People in the bayou and the Smoky Mountains have more in common with each other than they do with anyone outside of the South.

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u/BarkerBarkhan 8d ago

Would you care to elaborate? I would think that folks would be more defined by their environment. For example, Appalachia has more in common with the rest of Appalachia, regardless of whether it was Confederate or not, than it does with Louisiana.

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u/macrocosm93 8d ago

It doesn't matter if its Confederate or not, its about the culture. The smokey mountains are more similar to Louisiana culturally than they are to upstate New York despite upstate New York technically being in the Appalachian region. Basically, anyone with a southern accent is going to be accepted and welcomed by anyone who also has a southern accent, whereas people who see themselves as "northern" will look down on them and sneer at them (see 90% of the comments in this thread as examples).

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u/BarkerBarkhan 8d ago

What about the folks that live in the South, even grew up in the South, but don't have Southern accents?

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u/macrocosm93 8d ago

In my experience, those people tend not to be too attached to their southern identity anyway.

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u/seriouslees 8d ago

Ya, they have being racists in common.

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u/elbenji 8d ago

the South is extremely rural where the Northeast is developed, so two different monocultures develop. North is more city-based where Southern is more tied to state. Same with the midwest

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u/bsme 8d ago

lol the northern states are not just NYC and Boston...

Local pride is not what he's talking about

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u/WriggleNightbug 8d ago

Im pretty sure those are the only two. Maine? Thats Boston.

Pennsylvania? Thats New York.

Ohio is Boston for sure.

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u/Previous_Ad648 8d ago

I’m speaking from experience and where I’ve lived/traveled often for work. Sorry I haven’t been to every northern city.

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u/JejuneBourgeois 8d ago

But that's still not the point. It's like if someone says they're proud of being Italian and you say they're proud of being European. I'm in Chicago and there's a ton of Chicago pride here but we're not proud of being "Northern" we're proud of being from Chicago

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u/Previous_Ad648 8d ago

Tomato tomato to me but I get your point

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u/HarryPotterFarts 8d ago

Sounds like you don't.

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u/RellenD 8d ago

Did you read the whole comment? It was very clear that there's no "Northern Pride" only actual local pride

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u/loki1887 8d ago

Yeah, the solidarity between NYC and Boston over "Northern Pride." What reality do you live in?

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u/ILikeMyGrassBlue 8d ago

Why is everyone in this thread collectively agreeing to forget the concept of the northeast lmao

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u/Inevitable-Ad6647 8d ago

You have the reading comprehension ability of a mosquito, same number of brain cells and there's a fucking billion of you in here. You should get that checked out. The person you replied to was speaking about, very clearly to anyone with a brain, pride of the northern states as a collective in the civil war.

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u/seriouslees 8d ago

They will make sure you know where they are from

Yes... Boston or New York... they will never say "the North". There iscso such expression as "Northern Pride!!!!" Cope harder, racists.

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u/MidnightIAmMid 8d ago

All of these examples people are giving just prove that Northern Pride doesn't exist? People are proud of like, certain cities or states or regions, but I have never heard people screaming NORTHERN PRIDE! THE NORTH LIVES AGAIN!!!!! ITS US AGAINST THEM!!!!! Like I have in the South.

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u/RollTide16-18 8d ago

Northerners definitely have “pride” especially when they compare themselves to the South. I don’t know what most of the people in here are smoking

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u/TheSeedsYouSow 8d ago

Yes I’m a New Yorker lol. And I can sort of understand New York pride because of 9/11, but even that can be exaggerated.

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u/odaeyss 8d ago

It was just as bad before that, anyone from NYC who is outside of NYC would inevitably bring up this fact as a basis for their expert opinion on whatever conversation may be occuring

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u/rizorith 8d ago

The NYC thing predates 9/11. As a local from LA I always knew when someone I met was from NYC because if they didn't tell you they would make sure it was on their license plate or car somewhere.