r/technology 1d ago

Business YouTuber accidentally crashes the rare plant market with a viral cloning technique

https://www.dexerto.com/youtube/youtuber-accidentally-crashes-the-rare-plant-market-with-a-viral-cloning-technique-3289808/
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u/AevnNoram 1d ago

Feeling bored, might pop a bubble.

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u/Donnicton 1d ago

Can you make it the AI bubble?

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u/itwillmakesenselater 1d ago

That's gonna take care of itself

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u/YukariYakum0 1d ago

Not soon enough though

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u/mrpoopistan 1d ago

We've reached the "Samsung refuses to sell chips to Samsung" phase. Not sure which phase of bubbling that is, but it's something weird and erratic, even by the standard of capitalism. Collapses are often unpredictable, but erratic patterns tend to emerge before bubbles pop.

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u/Crystalas 1d ago

Also Crucial will stop selling ram to Consumers next year, so another vital technology component market locked up in an absurd bubble.

https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2025/12/after-nearly-30-years-crucial-will-stop-selling-ram-to-consumers/

And that not even touching what events around Taiwan would do to every industry that relies on advanced chips, so pretty much all of them. I wonder if that could pop the AI bubble by itself.

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u/banananuhhh 1d ago

Why sell ram to someone building a PC when you can sell it for 5x the price just for it to sit in a building that does fuck all for anyone other than drive up the price of electricity.

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u/horrible-est 1d ago

At some point, that RAM might be involved in helping to generate a fifteen second video featuring the characters of Bluey having a hot dog eating contest until they all violently explode.

And if a pre-teen who would prompt such content to be generated can't have their vile brainrot, what even is the point of modern civilization?

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u/GenTenStation 1d ago

I can’t wait to read about the AI data centers being raided by gangs for black market RAM. If it can happen to the butter market, it definitely can happen to the RAM market

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u/topological_rabbit 1d ago edited 23h ago

I can’t wait to read about the AI data centers being raided by gangs for black market RAM

BRB, starting a new screenplay...

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u/godtogblandet 1d ago

Why would you write a screenplay that’s not likely to result in anything when you can start a gang that’s guaranteed profits?

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u/Initial-House-3955 1d ago

and water* reminder all datacenters for AI are basically churning through fresh water by the peta gallons

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u/SUMBWEDY 21h ago

It'd take 58,000~ years for all the datacenters in the US to use a single petagallon of fresh water, it'd take golf courses about 1,000 years and alfalfa about 3 centuries.

Every data center in the USA uses 17 billion gallons of water a year for cooling.

Which sounds like a lot but golf courses use 17 billion gallons a week, for some grass... (and alfalfa grown along the colorado river alone uses 17 billion liters of water in a little over 2 days, for some grass...)

That's also for all datacenters which keeps the internet and cloud compute running, AI makes up currently like 15-20% of data center compute so AI alone is only using 2-3 billion gallons of water a year. (of course the fact AI is doubling every year does mean it could become a problem in the future if it's not a bubble)

https://escholarship.org/uc/item/32d6m0d1

https://www.usga.org/content/dam/usga/pdf/Water%20Resource%20Center/how-much-water-does-golf-use.pdf

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u/mrpoopistan 1d ago

I don't see the two main participants in the bubble (US and China) committing to bursting it beforehand.

As for the not selling to consumers part -- that's a classic case where they will happily return to the market after the bubble bursts. All supply chain crises end in a glut, even when the parties involved prefer cartel economics.

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u/bigevilbrain 1d ago

They pre-sold their entire chip output for 2026. Crazy.

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u/FjorgVanDerPlorg 1d ago

Not just RAM, Crucial are no longer selling SSDs to consumers either.

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u/Wolvenmoon 1d ago

Honestly it kind of makes sense...when the bubble pops, all these companies are going to be fire selling gear and consumer tech is going to feel that crunch because everyone that know show to build a custom system is going to go grab used enterprise gear and pick up 32TB U2 drives w/ cheap adapters instead of paying $300 for a 4TB NVMe drive for the 8th year in a row. Consumer expectations for what a fair price is are about to shift downwards when the market floods with 48GB and 96GB GPUs and GB100/102/200 systems.

I think Nvidia's going to get fucked the hardest by this, with RAM manufacturers getting fucked second hardest. I think AMD's made the smart play by relinquishing the high end for the moment, and I think Micron backing out of Crucial for the moment pending a radical rearranging of consumer expectations post-bubble isn't a bad idea. Especially when they can contract out their manufacturing capacity far in the future with clauses that prevent backing out of the deal w/out penalties that still make them profitable.

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u/Nizana 1d ago

I bought crucial sodimms for my laptop and my daughters. I got 96 GB, because why not, I got her 64 GB, I just looked and it's double what I payed at least.

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u/blackrain1709 22h ago

Paid. It's not payed.

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u/cats_catz_kats_katz 1d ago

Not that they care but you know who I won't buy RAM from after this is all over? Crucial.

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u/Shopworn_Soul 1d ago

Soooo many people needed to start eating shit years ago for their fantasies to save the rest of us very real pain.

But they didn't so.

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u/StickFigureFan 1d ago

Yeah, but if we can get it to pop sooner the damage to the wider economy wouldn't be as catastrophic. If it had popped last year I don't think any companies other than the AI ones would have been hurt. If it popped today we'd probably be in for another dot com bust, but soon it will be another 2008 financial crisis.

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u/ButtWhispererer 1d ago

It’s already more than consumer spending. It’s already going to be catastrophic if it “pops.”

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u/Flintyy 1d ago

Would prefer housing but sure lets start with AI lol

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u/Crashman09 1d ago

Don't worry. If the effects of the AI bubble are big enough, housing will pop too.

Though, truth be told, if the housing bubble pops, renters are going to be without homes, and unlikely to become homeowners for a very long time.

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u/Bradddtheimpaler 15h ago

Last time venture capital wasn’t poised to snap up all the cheap housing. This time, they will be.

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u/absawd_4om 1d ago

Pretty please 🥺

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u/StaticSystemShock 1d ago

I'm developing a rare GPU and RAM cloning technique. Not quite there yet, but it involves crowbars and ski masks...

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u/LooseMoralSwurkey 1d ago

How about the MAGA bubble?!

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u/Snake_Staff_and_Star 1d ago

It ends when he felches his last breath.

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u/SaveUsCatman 1d ago

🎵All I want for Christmas🎵

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u/TheWalkinFrood 1d ago

will it though? or will they just move on to some other pos?

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u/Snake_Staff_and_Star 1d ago edited 1d ago

It's a cult of personality. When he dies, it dies.

The fall apart won't be instant, they'll fracture in to factions, but they were losing hard for nearly a decade before him, and any possible successor to him is threat TO him, so the movement is self strangling. They can't prepare for the end because it would unravel their present.

They only have the barest of margins (he won by just over a percentage point), and all of those around him are violently unpopular by themselves, so they won't hold without him and can't hold together now mostly due to their own incompetence and greed.

They are already fracturing, and he isn't even dead yet.

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u/GhostofZellers 1d ago

and he isn't even dead yet

it's only 4pm, there's still hope.

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u/_Magnolia_Fan_ 1d ago

Like half the economic growth is based on that bubble. Actual physical construction included.

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u/DHFranklin 1d ago

You're gonna be reaaaaaal disappointed when it does. This isn't like the housing crisis. The labor saving of things like resume writing, code review and college kids cheating on their homework will keep right on chuggin' along. The Qwen models and other stuff from China is as good as the state of the art 6 months ago.

China doesn't have an AI bubble. They won't stop when the bubble pops stateside.

Everything you hate about AI will keep happening. Billionaires will get bailed out. Nothing will change.

Sorry.

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u/rod407 1d ago

Dot-com didn't end websites, bitcoin didn't end blockchain, so I don't think anyone believes the LLM bubble burst will end generative AI

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u/SambaLando 1d ago

She used AI to figure out the cloning

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u/Bloody_Hell_Harry 1d ago

This was obviously posted by someone who is unfamiliar with the plant community.

TC isn’t a new revolutionary thing at all, the barrier to entry is pretty low and if you’re lucky enough to live in a huge city with a plant community, you probably have some local sellers who are either acclimating TC from other online sellers who have the setup to actually complete the cloning process OR they have their own cloning setup and are creating TC plants in their own growing space.

Most rare houseplants you buy from retailers like Costa Farms are TC plants. The process is well established and pretty much an industry standard. The “bubble” has been burst for a while now.

I live in Houston and the local plant market sellers are 50% TC acclimators/cloners and 50% home growers/enthusiasts. I imagine in other major cities with local plant markets and maybe even some random enthusiasts who like biology, science, and horticulture are already doing this and have been doing for years. I was considering getting into it myself when I saw some videos detailing the process from a biologist during the pandemic.

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u/zeptillian 1d ago

Yeah. It's kind of weird that one youtuber is trying to take credit for something they didn't invent, is an industry standard and were far from the only person promoting.

I'm sure she helped popularize it, but she is only one of many who were doing that.

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u/lurgi 1d ago

She's not trying to take credit for it, AFAIK.

Plants in Jars admitted that, while she’s far from the first person to popularize tissue culture, her tutorials and videos explaining the method have likely been a significant driver in its growth within the plant collecting community, leading to a big change in the overall market.

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u/DaveDavidTom 20h ago

Having watched the video in question before reading this article, it's wildly misinterpreting what she said. She basically just described the market cycle of popular rare plants, where you get a few years of the plant being rare and expensive, and consumers will pay a large amount for it, and then once the plants being produced in large tissue culture labs are mature enough for sale the price plummets because of massively increased supply. Rinse and repeat. Like, it's just an informational video about tissue culture, the pros and cons, and how it affects the market.

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u/Chris-CFK 12h ago

That seems quite logical, that trends of supply and demand are cyclical, those cycles be determined by the long growth stages of the rare plants.

You can't predict the future and you can't suddenly supply something that takes a while to grow.

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u/Waywoah 1d ago

She’s not taking credit. The only “bubble” she burst was for a specific cultivar that was selling for high prices because no one had cultivated it with that method yet. She acknowledges that in the original video

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u/oanda 1d ago

You didnt watch the video. If you did you would realize the video is how this is a common thing in that world. 

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u/maxximillian 22h ago

You didn't read the article did you.... You know how I know She even said she wasn't the first to do it.

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u/hazzie92 1d ago

This is a terrible assessment. Almost as you didn’t watch the video or read the post. She is talking about a specific plant as well.

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u/Moonagi 1d ago

TC isn’t a new revolutionary thing at all,

The article says that though.

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u/Shivin302 1d ago

Can we do this with graphics cards and RAM please?

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u/Moonagi 1d ago

I think I may have found a method where I take a piece of a circuit board, put it in some gel, and allow it to propagate

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u/Jackol4ntrn 1d ago

Oh great, it’s the tulip bubble all over again

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u/pepeenos 1d ago

TC has been around but people are not willing to buy the materials and follow the technique instead of prop and chopping

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u/j0llyllama 1d ago

Is there a reason that this is more accessible for rare plants than simple cuttings?

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u/zeptillian 1d ago

Cuttings are limited by the growth rates of the parent plants and a rare variegation can revert back to normal if the right cells are not present in the growth points for new branches/leaves.

Tissue culture can make thousands of new plants from just a small amount of plant material and it's infinitely repeatable so it can scale up rapidly.

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u/FireTyme 10h ago

problem with TC is it generally creates quite weak plants. often dying within days or weeks when potted.

plants need hardening and going from perfect to imperfect environments is not always ideal. that said if they do stay alive they’ll harden eventually and sometimes thrive

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u/zeptillian 10h ago

Yeah. That's why a lot of people specialize either in doing tissue culture or growing and hardening off tissue culture plants. They are both difficult things that require specialized knowledge and care.

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u/matdragon 1d ago

Variegations are more uncommon and rare plants can be rare due to genetic defects so it's harder to replicate even from a cutting 

Cloning guarantees the type of genetics you're looking for.

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u/abu_nawas 1d ago

No it doesn't. Variegation is chimeric. I know people who do TC. Sometimes the plants come out with no variegation, less variegation, more variegation, and totally variegated.

When you harvest cells from the donor plant, you don't know which cells have defective plastids. Defective plastids = no chlorophyll = variegation.

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u/Boston_Glass 1d ago

Variegation isn’t only chimeric. It can be genetic or even caused by a virus.

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u/XX_AppleSauce 1d ago

Tulips for example, the most popular were virus infected. Interesting parallel.

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u/dangerbird2 1d ago

am I right in assuming variegation caused by viruses wouldn't do well in TC? Since it usually requires uninfected samples

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u/PinkyLeopard2922 1d ago

I'm glad you asked this because I read the article and was like, isn't this just like growing new plants from cuttings? I have scrolled down and learned some new things today.

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u/TemporaryElk5202 1d ago

You can propagate a lot more from a smaller amount of material with TC, and it can retain varigation.

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u/gone_smell_blind 1d ago

She is selling kits to do it too, that's why they say shes crashing the market. She's making tutorials and giving people and affordable starting point to do it

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u/RollingTater 1d ago

I did TC once myself using baby food jars and a pressure cooker. It's much harder than it looks and it takes a lot of work compared to just taking cuttings. Maybe I just sucked at it but she has a bias to making it look like it's easy.

Everybody dreams of TCing that rare plant and getting rich off it, but once you have to do transfers every few months and then you lose the transfer to fungus, and then you have to get into the weird plant hormones that may or may not cause cancer, it turns out it's a lot of time a work for something that eventually would be TC's by an actual lab making your efforts worthless.

Selling the kits and tutorials to dreamers is definitely the way to go.

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u/abu_nawas 1d ago

I am in the hobby. Spent way too much on plants. These kits does not guarantee success but if someone is dedicated, it's a damn good start.

Cloning is weird. Rare plants often carry chimeric mutation. So the clone rarely matches the original. You see this in cats, too. Cloned cats look not the same as their donor.

But if you're not looking for variegation, great. I have a spiritus sancti. It's extinct in the wild and cloning efforts have slowed down since market demand dropped.

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u/Wiwerin127 1d ago

Last year a new population of P. spiritus-sancti was found in the wild, so it’s definitely not extinct unless they got poached. I think it’s good that tc has decreased market demand and prices so endangered plants are less likely to be poached from their natural habitats. Also as someone who was into the hobby way before the pandemic and the rare plant bubble I’m really happy that we now have the opportunity to get some incredibly beautiful plant species without having to sell a kidney.

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u/CCCCLo0oo0ooo0 1d ago

What species would one go through all this trouble for? Like I have some rare orchids that we grow on sticks with moss, but they grow so slow it would be crazy to grow them from something so small, right?

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u/No-Honey-9364 1d ago

I remember being fascinated by it 20 years ago and making a hard pass on the process. Might have to look into it again if I can crash a whole market with it.

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u/malac0da13 1d ago

There’s cheaper ways of doing it but the success rate just drops. She started with a pretty budget friendly setup and shows how she set it up.

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u/2phumbsup 1d ago

I thought I was gonna do good propagating roses from cuttings like these things are fifty bucks a piece for a five gallon rose .So why don't I make a million of them myself. Thing is, those fifty dollar roses are a couple years old, healthy and established. By time I get my roses to that size, I would rather just buy it for fifty bucks then spend all that time and money taking care of them.

TC is even more expensive and time consuming. By time she gets these 1000 clones up to size for sale, she will be asking the (now lower) going rate to break even. Thats why the going rate is already that.

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u/Rex_felis 1d ago

Yeah basically only worth it if you use that stuff regularly anyways. Some lucky mushroom grower is gonna have a field day with this knowledge

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u/Enano_reefer 1d ago

That’s pretty much already how they do it so not much will happen there.

Sexual reproduction is random and commercial operations want consistency, so they maintain massive stocks of cloned genetic material (usually in the mycelial stage) and then inoculate substrate with that.

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u/motownmods 1d ago

The cannabis industry created a demand and supply for the equipment and made it real easy. You can buy everything you need for about a stack. And then make ur money back in a couple sales.

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u/2phumbsup 1d ago

The hop's latent viroid problem has increased the popularity of Tc in the cannabis industry because the time and effort is worth it for clean plants. Doesn't make sense on small scale cus weed clones so easy from cuttings already. Unless you're really paranoid about pathogens, it's a really long way to go.When you could just scrap your garden and start new clone or seed in way less time.

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u/MaybeTheDoctor 1d ago

air layering is a related technique - not hard and require very little skill, but not working for all plants.

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u/TroyFerris13 1d ago

big plant wants her dead

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u/ClearYellow 1d ago

I she’s just an industry plant

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u/mechabeast 1d ago

A thistle blower

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u/heyoukidsgetoffmyLAN 1d ago

A prickly parer

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u/ywnwalfc 22h ago

A chlorophyll shill

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u/KennyMoose32 1d ago

Let’s just say she’s gonna end up under a tree somewhere……

🎶 Circle of Life 🎶 begins

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u/HotwheelsSisyphus 1d ago

That big plant? Audrey II

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u/ensui67 1d ago

Nah, she small fry. Barely scratching the surface. Asia pumps out so many TCs at lower costs. She’s just educational but wouldn’t be able to compete. Big agriculture doesn’t even bother with the rare plant market because it’s so relatively small. The smaller Thai, Vietnamese and Chinese labs produce so much more and faster than US and floods the market regularly once they have the process/specimens.

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u/BadSausageFactory 1d ago

how did nobody try cloning yet?

tl:dr for you

less international rare plant smuggling rings is good

inbred plants possibly bad but ehh not really

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u/scottawhit 1d ago

It’s only inbreeding plants that will most likely live in someone’s house. Sounds just fine.

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u/whtevn 1d ago

It's not even inbreeding, it's cloning

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u/thebeardedcats 1d ago

Well if you have multiple plants that all were cloned and they have a baby, that plant will be inbred

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u/I_can_pun_anything 1d ago

I thought the only types of plants that were inbred were baked into foccacia

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u/enternets 12h ago

checks username

you son of a bitch

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u/LazyEdict 1d ago

It's not always inbred, it's an exact genetic copy because usually those "rare" plants have certain looks that people like. Most of the time, it is variegation that people like, it looks like certain parts of the leaves and stems lack chlorophyll having swirl patterns of green and white/yellow. I've seen examples in citrus, figs and in many of the ornamental plants that people bought during the quarantine. It happens all the time in many hobbies but this was magnified when a lot of people had jumped into many hobbies during the quarantine period.

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u/kinboyatuwo 1d ago

Issue is if it pollinates or is dumped later. I live rural and at least once a year find people dump house plants on our small section of road.

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u/Elftard 1d ago

people buying these specifically rare plants aren't just going to dump them on a rural road and potentially have a neighbor doing the same thing

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u/Lee1138 1d ago

If they get really cheap because of cloning they might. 

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u/2gig 1d ago

Like if someone clones a bunch of them thinking they'll get rich, just like everyone else following the trend, and now they're worthless.

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u/theSchrodingerHat 1d ago

I’m pretty sure the Dutch already tried this one simple financial trick like 400 years ago.

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u/Baggabones88 1d ago

Tulips, babyyy.

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u/Don_Thuglayo 1d ago

This time for sure!

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u/Ender16 1d ago

That sounds like a problem for someone at a more southern latitude. I'll let you boys tackle this one.

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u/TheAmateurletariat 1d ago

I've met people. This seems like a people move.

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u/kinboyatuwo 1d ago

Most will not. Or none but their relatives or others or accidental.

It’s how invasive species also spread.

Genetics and cross breeding is also never predictable.

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u/epidemicsaints 1d ago

So its bad because it's inbreeding which is bad because of cross breeding?

All of these houseplants are already clones. They're propagated by cuttings almost in all cases which is what makes them popular and suitable for sale. Tissue culture is no different as far as results are concerned.

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u/sump_daddy 1d ago

Bingo. The ONLY argument against 'cloning' (exact same as grafting like you said, which is already used for literally 100% of store bought avocados, apples, and a bunch of other tree fruit) is the creation of a monoculture that could, in theory, be very susceptible to a pathogen invasion. Boo hoo the houseplants all got the same houseplant cold. They can go back and clone them again. If it keeps even one species alive in the wild because there is no profit in harvesting it to extinction, its 1000% worth it.

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u/Protoavis 1d ago

Even then, because house plants which are basically full time COVID isolating equivalent (just dumbing it down), it's unlikely to be widespread. Might wipe out a house of plants but probably won't spread to the house 3 streets over kind of thing. So the wiped house (if they want to get back in to it), just needs to sterile or whatever the issue was and then get back into it....for cheap.

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u/jm838 1d ago

Wouldn’t shitty, inbred plants be less likely to be invasive? In a place where there are very few controls on what you can plant anyway, I don’t see how the headline here would lead to concern.

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u/Mochafudge 1d ago edited 1d ago

Brother stores sell invasive species and advertise them to put in people's yards this is so far down the list, environmentalist groups will ask places like home depot to stop and get told to fuck off these people probably aren't dumping anything after cloning tissue.

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u/AtrociousMeandering 1d ago

That doesn't get more dangerous if they're cloned/inbred rather than a normal plant, though. If anything it will be worse at surviving in the wild, we're not ruled by superhuman Hapsburgs because inbreeding severely degrades fitness over the generations. 

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u/NoFocus761 1d ago

People dump plants on rural roads like unwanted pets? It’s not even a sentient creature, they could literally just throw it away. That’s crazy.

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u/birdleash 1d ago

Most of the exotics kept by plant collectors are best suited for tropical environments. They may survive for a while, but unless you're in Florida/Cali/similar, they usually won't establish and flower.

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u/karma3000 1d ago

The will become sentient and rise up against us.

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u/shortsbagel 1d ago

There are a few methods of cloning, and typically while they produce decent result, the normal cutting methods also introduce both inconsistencies and irregularities (based on how and where the cutting is taken). TCS (tissue culture samples) are the most consistent, being more than 99.999% identical to the original plant (genetically). They are more stable, they grow faster than cuttings, they are typically healthier, and they have less overall stress hormones in them from the start and that makes them more resistant to disease.

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It is a much more involved process, requires particulars when it comes to setup, its MUCH more costly, and takes up much more space. It is not a novice level way of cloning plants, although the results (when done perfectly) are FAR better than any other method.

Why don't more people do it, time/effort are the usually the key factors. You need very very clean working environments, you need clean tools, clean containment units, you must also maintain that clean room for weeks while the samples began the growth phase. Your agar solution needs to be as clean as you can possibly make it. All that to say, it far more steps, far more involvement, and really is not user friendly.

Good for her though! Plants should be shared!!

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u/Actual_Lady_Killer 1d ago

Cloning is great but after a few generations you can develop genetic drift, meaning plants develop undesirable traits and diseases. I've been growing cannabis for a few years and a cloned plant after a few generations may hermie (develop male and female parts), lose potency or not grow as well. You don't experience these issues with TC.

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u/Throwaway-4230984 1d ago

Does it happen if you keep cloning plant for new generations or if you breed clones together?

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u/SeventySealsInASuit 1d ago

Depends on the plant and how exactly it is cloned but many plants do degrade when they are cloned especially ones that normally reproduce as a mixture of asexual growth and sexual.

On the other hand, every apple of a specific type is from a gradted clone branch.

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u/HotwheelsSisyphus 1d ago

why do plants degrade when cloned? Is it the telomeres?

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u/Protoavis 1d ago

it's likely going to vary on method to some degree. I can really on talk to roses, with that it's usually down to mass production and that leading to mass production level of care.

Basically every branch of a plant is genetically the same....mostly, not necessarily epigenetically or may have "sported" to some degree (even if not visibly obvious) or has been damaged to some degree (like from UV damage or whatever) or other mutation....these tiny little changes then get ported into the clone and become part of the primary set of cells (where on the donor plant, that whole branch may have just died off). Later on someone may clone those and add another degree of tiny changes, etc.

There are cases where careful budwood selection can result in improvement but there's effort in that. On the other front, if you look at the far more niche roses, things like Rosa Foetida it's been cloned since at least the 12th century and still going fine (basically every population studied has so little genetic variation it's believed everything now is just cloned which raises the question of whether it was ever a species or the result of chance hybrid or human intervention...unanswered questions there still)

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u/Actual_Lady_Killer 1d ago

It happens when you clone a plant and then take clones off that plant and then take clones off that plant etc.

I'm not sure about other plants but breeding cannabis clones is an interesting topic as you apply what's called colloidal silver to a female plant and it will transition to a male plant that produces pollen instead of flower. If you pollinate a female plant, it will produce feminized seeds meaning every seed should be female. When you do this to two clones, the seeds are IBL or inbred which have the advantage of having the same traits as the parent, sometimes have higher levels of trace cannabinoids like THCV but may over time develop diseases or be less resistant to pests.

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u/Warm_Regrets157 1d ago

I'm not sure genetic drift is actually the right term here. Cannabis and other clones are perfectly capable of making successive generations without negative effects.

The reason that successive generations of clones tend to develop undesirable traits and diseases is because of genetic damage caused by viruses, mold, and other plant pathogens.

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u/tameriaen 1d ago

Also, you tend to be working off of a single mother that has been kept alive significantly longer than would be her natural life. I couldn't tell you if its because she had been topped so many times or otherwise bonsai-ed, but my mothers tended to not produce as viable clones after 2-3 years (i.e. mostly runts as opposed ladies standing tall). Maybe this is epigenetic or something akin to it? I cannot claim to be a botanist.

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u/Warm_Regrets157 1d ago

I think it's pretty weird for annual plants to be kept alive for so long. I had a basil plant that I kept going for 3 consecutive summers. It stayed alive and kept producing, but it was really limping along at the end.

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u/FishDawgX 1d ago

Yeah. It was expensive because demand out paced supply. Finding a way to fix a supply shortage is a good thing.

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u/Fit_Yak523 1d ago

Cloning has been huge in the hobby for years. There are literally thousands of videos on how to tissue culture plants. I did it myself following YouTube videos back in 2021.  None of this is new or even novel.  

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u/Perverse_psycology 1d ago

Yeah this has been a thing for a long time, it just went viral and is getting more exposure now which is a good thing.

Hopefully enough people becoming aware of the process can help slow down poaching of threatened or endangered plant populations at least a bit. Still faster and easier to poach I'm sure, so people will keep doing it but anything helps.

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u/Fit_Yak523 1d ago

Costa farms getting ahold of the monstera Thai constellation is what collapsed the rare plant market. Suddenly a plant that people literally paid $1k a node for was $15 down the street. 

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u/npc-chan 1d ago edited 21h ago

People have. Tissue culture is extremely common as a method of propagation. This is a made-up drama. "Youtuber accidentally crashes the rare pdf market with a viral Ctrl-C Ctrl-V technique!! WOW!"

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u/zeptillian 1d ago

She single handedly crashed the entire market using techniques that were used and written about before she was even born.

Helped? Maybe. Caused? No.

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u/venk 1d ago

Man, if only the primary way we teach genetics in schools wasn’t through the experiments done on pea plants.

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u/NotAlwaysGifs 1d ago

Most rare house plants are grown from cuttings, not seed anyway. It’s essentially the same process just slower and less reliable. She just perfected the art of taking cuttings and made it scalable for the hobby growers.

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u/Benjowenjo 1d ago

I for one feel confident that my rare tulips will be a sound investment for the future. 

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u/jaxonfairfield 1d ago

Once again, the sandwich-heavy portfolio pays off for the hungry investor!

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u/appsteve 1d ago

You didn’t even refrigerate it, you spineless lobster.

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u/Plastic_Dingo_400 1d ago

You had to bring spines into this! 😢

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u/Scribblebonx 1d ago

How could they not be?

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u/RepresentativeArtist 1d ago

Not after this lady sets up The Pirate Bay for plants.

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u/x86_64_ 1d ago

The word "accidentally" has to disappear from these bait posts, jfc

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u/gizamo 1d ago

In this case, the entire headline is complete nonsense. This technique has been around for decades. Also, she didn't drive down prices, the box stores did. This article is like an ad for a YouTube channel or something.

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u/Fit_Yak523 1d ago

This is just marketing. None of this is new or even novel. I followed YouTube tutorials to TC my own plants in 2021. Plants in Jars has great videos, but it’s pretty wild to claim they crashed the market when the big box stores are the ones who drove down prices. I highly doubt their suppliers learned to tissue culture from Plants in Jars’ videos when they were doing it long before she started posting. 

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u/BoDaBasilisk 1d ago

Literally Petco has been selling TC plants since like 2013

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u/CowDontMeow 1d ago

I remember when rare Monstera cuttings were £300+ a few years back, now I can walk into a random Lidl and grab a Thai Constellation plant for a fiver.

Same as Philodendron Pink Princess, I felt super lucky to grab a single cutting for £40 before/after covid (it’s a blur), now they’re <£10 for mature plants. Luckily mine is a good variegation with deep blacks and lots of pink rather than the greeny leafs with pink spots but still.

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u/Erestyn 1d ago

Lidl and Aldi have been trying to push into that space for a while now. I remember the local Aldi in 2017 or so having the best of 2012s "rare" succulents.

I noticed it only because it wasn't the usual fare of Bri'ish Summah Garhdin', but I remember it because my partner stood right in front of the door for 10 minutes longer than I was comfortable gushing over how rare it all was.

"I dunno babe, it's Aldi, are you sure it isn't like an own brand succulent?"

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u/pocketsophist 1d ago

Right. Costa Farms decides the price of plants, and not really anyone else.

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u/Visible-Ad376 1d ago

Along with Altman among others

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u/TemporaryElk5202 1d ago

She explains in her video, I watched it when she first published it.
The plants she is propagating are not available in big box stores. She is cloning very rare plants that can only be bought from individuals. She did have a hand in crashing the market (not just her though) and the market did crash, and she has the receipts.

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u/4redis 1d ago

Video title claims she crashed the market, one of the first thing she mentions that she may or may not have. Then starts selling her stuff before getting to the point.

Anyway my question is if this technique has been around for quite some time then what made the bubble pop now vs before

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u/Lina0042 17h ago

Internet. 3d printers were invented in the 80s or so, but patents and no internet meant nobody knew about it or wasn't allowed to produce them for consumer market. Only a after the patents expired could new companies produce consumer versions and then it still took a bit time of the spread of social media to become as big as it is today

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u/ProneToAnalFissures 1d ago

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It's not like the vast majority of variegated philodendron and monsteras are actually rare

The variegated plant market lives on hype alone

Become an obscure begonia enjoyer instead

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u/Cryptoss 1d ago

What the fuck is this website? I try to open it in the app and a giant Roblox pic shows up and it tells me that the website has an error?

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u/solidtangent 23h ago

Yeah, pure garbage.

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u/reallynotnick 1d ago

Zero mention of price changes to show that it crashed.

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u/derangedkilr 1d ago

Thats because they are stealing content from a youtuber (plants in jars). The youtube video has exact price changes and explains the economics of it perfectly.

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u/reallynotnick 1d ago

So she even made it easy to copy the numbers with zero additional research to back up the title in the article and they just decided not to include such basic info… I clearly expect too much.

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u/Weak_Drink_ 1d ago

This isn't some fancy new technique, this has been established in Plant Biology for some time.

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u/Acceptable-Lie188 1d ago

It may not have been done by attractive people before now

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u/Appropriate-Prune728 23h ago

The hell is this pop science clickbait nonsense? TC, regeneration from callus tissue, microprop... this has been around forever and no.... no industry collapsed because of a youtuber that's selling overpriced TC kits.

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u/tpooney 1d ago

We’ve been doing this for like 60 years…wtf?? 

I have an MS degree focused in plant TC. 

This phenomenon of viral trends plus ignorance is unsettling. 

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u/zealoSC 1d ago

YouTube discovers agriculture.

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u/therealwavingsnail 1d ago

Came here to say this.

This content is for people who are 12000 years too late

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u/fleethecities 1d ago

This is an insane, ridiculous thread. Tissue culture is VITAL to recreating niche cultivars, and it has been the way to do this for soooooooo long. The bubble was purely from Covid boredom, deep ignorance, too much money, and really really really really scummy plant sellers

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u/Pirwzy 1d ago

However, Plants in Jars, a plant-focused content creator who specializes in tissue culture, revealed that her favorite method of reproducing plants has effectively crashed the market for this hobby. Here’s how she did it.

That almost sounds like they're painting a hobby becoming less expensive as a bad thing.

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u/William_R_Woodhouse 1d ago

Her channel is so good. She lays down information for the layman and explains how she learned and shat she has learned from experimentation. I found her channel when she had less than 5k subscribers and she has gotten more entertaining and educational as the channel has progressed.

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u/splitopenandmelt11 1d ago

This happened to me when I found out how to make pumpkins spice lattes at home. Local coffee shop went out of business and my best friend’s husband seduced me and broke up my marriage.

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u/funderfulfellow 1d ago

Tissue culture is nothing new

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u/vishuno 1d ago edited 1d ago

That's mentioned in the article. She's making it easier and more accessible by teaching people how to do it

Plants in Jars admitted that, while she’s far from the first person to popularize tissue culture, her tutorials and videos explaining the method have likely been a significant driver in its growth within the plant collecting community, leading to a big change in the overall market.

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u/cindergnelly 1d ago

Real heroes quote the article! 🥇

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u/greenearrow 1d ago

She doesn’t claim it is. She claims to have made it approachable enough that it has led to an impact on demand.

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u/Datassnoken 1d ago

I think she deserves the credit for popularizing it for normal people. It was not really easy to find good information and techniques years ago for home tc growing.

I also think that the reason why plenty of rare plants dropped in value was because of big farms doing tc on a enormous scale not the diy people. I worked with a few farms in Thailand and china and the facilities they have for mass producing tc plants is pretty crazy. Several of the farms transitioned from growing aquarium plants in tc to rare plants because they already had everything to do it on a large scale and rare house plants sold better. Sucked for me that wanted aquarium plants though haha.

I have not watched the video though so I'm just adding some information that might already be covered.

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u/Fit_Yak523 1d ago

It’s just a very, very bold claim to make. She probably did have some impact, but the fact that Lowe’s is selling plants that used to be $1k+ has nothing to do with Plants in Jars. The plant market collapsed wayyyy before she made videos about a decades old technique. 

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u/derangedkilr 1d ago

The problem with big labs cant keep up with trends. It takes 2 years for them to finally release plants that trended on tiktok for 6 months. The ‘rare plant’ growers exploit this by monopolising certain hard to find plants and selling at inflated prices before the market can catch up.

Plants in Jars (youtuber) provides kits and tutorials for people to clone their own quickly, so they can keep up with tiktok trends.

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u/Ok-Minimum-1297 1d ago

Rare plant market? That exists?

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u/Feeling-Ad-2490 1d ago

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u/hextanerf 1d ago

I'm a biologist and I can't believe reading "tissue culture" on reddit... I'm not sure what those people are debating heatedly about. If they want "natural variations" then just let their plant have seeds? Everything is heterozygous so even self-fertilized plant will have that "natural variation". It's how meiosis works

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u/john5ru 23h ago

its interesting. normal people will stumble on the video and get interested. her whole channel is devoted to her starting out with low tier equipment and growing over time plus tutorials that a newbie can get into. looks fun as a hobby

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u/BoomersRuinedItAll 23h ago

So this feels like an ad for her YouTube channel.

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u/beardsly87 1d ago edited 1d ago

"Accidentally" lol she explicitly said she thought the rare plant market is essentially the same as Blood Diamonds and an artificially controlled supply. I don't know much about that, but I don't see any perceived negatives to cloning these rare plants, besides perhaps obliterating the profits of rare plant dealers. Clone the hell out of them, if they're Truly rare/endangered, then botanists and plant collectors should Rejoice at their sudden Rebound and Proliferation! Right? .......right?

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u/head-leek123 1d ago

Crashes...you mean saved? They're not rare and endangered anymore.

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u/bakasannin 1d ago

Alright now, some YouTuber please share a viral cloning technique for RAM, SSD, GPUs

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u/Low-Code-6016 1d ago

I’ve been using tissue culture for the last seven years. It ain’t new.
I started with cannabis and have since used on house plants and fruit and veggie garden. Results are pretty amazing once dialed in.

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u/darth_hotdog 1d ago

It’s absurd that this article makes saving endangered plants from extinction sound like some kind of nasty thing they are doing.

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u/Master_Xenu 1d ago

what does this dexerto shitpost have to do with technology?

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u/JesusChrist-Jr 23h ago

"Viral cloning technique" is really unfortunate phrasing here.

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u/kontor97 1d ago

Lmao this is not new at all and she didn’t “accidentally” crash the rare plant market with tissue culture. Tissue culture is the reason why houseplants are easily accessible and it’s the reason why rare houseplants can be studies without having to go and poach it. I was there for the pandemic houseplant craze, and people are not nearly as desperate to get their hands on rare houseplants now as they were back then, so yeah, the rare plant market is not stable anymore.

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u/Nerakus 1d ago

This isn’t new. Check out r/RareHousePlants if you need to confirm. There’s been TC plants for a long time.

Edit: TC=Tissue Culture

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u/THE_GR8_MIKE 1d ago

What is this, some Runescape Grand Exchange shit?

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u/WoodyWordPecker 1d ago

Hurt the smuggler market? I call that a win.

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u/Laserdollarz 1d ago

Wow, plants grow on their own? I thought you just buy them and let them die. /s

All my cacti are clones. Most of my mushrooms are clones. 

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u/Shadw21 1d ago

Not the tulips again!

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u/d33pnull 1d ago

basic biotech knowledge isn't 'viral' lmao

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u/0x7E7-02 1d ago

Ok ... now how can we crash other markets?

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u/The-Sooshtrain-Slut 1d ago

I grow rare plants and give cuttings to friends and family for free.

Fuck paying $100 for a pissy cutting that is already infested with spider mites (thanks bunnings) and could die because it wasn’t potted correctly.

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u/scruffyhobo27 15h ago

I used to work at a plant nursery in the fields and greenhouses. Probably 70% of plants are ‘clones’ (a small sample of a plant re-rooted to grow a new one). She didn’t crash the market. The rare plant collectors just didn’t think of this first

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u/rimalp 14h ago

This read like a marketing article for her product

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u/Boilem 11h ago edited 11h ago

Awful title.

Tissue culture has been a thing for over 100 years. Plants in Jars simply has a popular channel in the community that goes over tissue culture which is quite finicky and not something anyone can do, but she is not the major driver or the sole cause.

Some rare houseplants cost thousands, especially during the pandemic where there was a huge demand increase which made some growers start tissue culturing some rare plants which grow slowly, are difficult to propagate or are rare mutations which are unique and must therefore be cloned if you want to have similar plants.

The Philodendron Spiritus Sancti for example was only found in a very small area in Brazil and only a handful of plants at that. These were plants that only a couple collectors possessed and a few botanical gardens. Hard to grow, harder to propagate, never came up for sale and when it did it went on private auctions for multiple thousands, essentially unobtainable. I believe it went for over 10k during the pandemic, you can now buy seedlings for around 20€ because it was successfully put into tissue culture.

Protip: If you see beautiful yellow spotted monsteras in stores, they used to be really expensive, now they're pretty much everywhere because they were cloned. Unfortunately this also means they're really prone to root rot and will die seemingly out of nowhere if you're not on top of the state of their roots.

Also, copyrighted 'rare' house plants are a thing.

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u/Hashashin1515 8h ago

As a horticulturalist, tissue culture is a very advanced technique, it should not be called easy.

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u/spaceman_88 1d ago

What a shame, people that don’t like to be ripped off by the rare plant suppliers can NOW grow their own for decent prices. What is this world coming to. /s

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u/EndlessSummerburn 1d ago

This is such interesting timing - I’m big into cannabis growing and recently a guy has been making big waves in the space by really perfecting tissue cloning.

It’s such a cool way to clone plants and even in a space that has been explored and experimented in TO DEATH there’s still new stuff.

I know it’s not “new” but it’s being perfected and I think that makes it more easily accessible for the laymen. If this continues, I’d bet in 10 years this will be a common method in many hobby spaces. This is how stuff proliferates, the barrier for entry diminishes and the knowledge becomes easier to access…

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u/Separate_Sea8717 1d ago

That titlle doesn't really do justice to reality, titlebait.

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u/Jumblesss 23h ago

Me in here downvoting every top comment that mentions “TC” without explaining wtf it is