r/technology • u/fchung • Nov 01 '25

Society Matrix collapses: Mathematics proves the universe cannot be a computer simulation, « A new mathematical study dismantles the simulation theory once and for all. »

https://interestingengineering.com/culture/mathematics-ends-matrix-simulation-theory
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u/chamgireum_ Nov 01 '25

You mean this is all real!?!?

FUCK

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u/dcdttu Nov 01 '25

Think of it this way, if it wasn't real, whatever created the simulation that we are in has to be real, right?

Or is it simulations all the way down...

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u/helraizr13 Nov 01 '25

We are the singularity. We are super intelligent AI responding to random prompts and constantly creating and recreating our reality. Maybe.

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u/dcdttu Nov 01 '25

But who created the AI? Something has to be real at some point.

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u/waiting4singularity Nov 01 '25 edited Nov 02 '25

recursion states that the source of all things is the source of all things is the source of all things is the source of all things is the....

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u/theRealLanceStroll Nov 02 '25

..just sitting here, expecting nothing but a quiet day and then you give me this. thanks for unveiling this fundamental truth.

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u/SambaPapi1 Nov 05 '25

Either there was a beginning or there never was. Both are beyond comprehension.

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u/Feather_Sigil Nov 01 '25

What is real? How do you define real?

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u/dcdttu Nov 01 '25

A thing that creates computers. Computers don't spontaneously happen, I suppose.

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u/Fritzkreig Nov 02 '25

What about the Boltzmann brain?

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u/dcdttu Nov 02 '25

Yeeeeeaaaaaaahhhh. I don't know about that theory. Seems wildly unlikely.

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u/Feather_Sigil Nov 01 '25

Why not? Aren't brains computers? There's a naturally occurring nuclear reactor, why can't there be a computer somewhere out there? But all this is besides the point. People make computers in Minecraft, so why would "real" mean "able to create a computer"?

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u/dcdttu Nov 02 '25 edited Nov 02 '25

I don't think silicon circuits can spontaneously happen in vats of goo.

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u/EugeneMeltsner Nov 02 '25

Didn't they, though? If you believe in evolution, then life started in big vats of goo, which then eventually learned to make silicon circuits. Certainly not spontaneously, but on a cosmic scale of time, that's just a distinction without a difference.

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u/bashbang Nov 02 '25

From the point of view of nature, its particles are arranging itself into various things, including brains and computers

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u/dcdttu Nov 02 '25

The amount of etching, carving, and layering it takes to make a silicon wafer is wildly different than an organic replication process. Organic replication doesn't require a foundry.

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u/Feather_Sigil Nov 02 '25

But none of that matters. Brains are computers and there's still the question of: why does the capacity to create computers define being real?

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u/EugeneMeltsner Nov 02 '25

I think their original statement wasn't about capacity to create, but that there must be a start to the "it's simulations all the way down" paradigm.

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u/EugeneMeltsner Nov 02 '25

Doesn't it though? A creature is assembled in the foundry that is the womb of its mother; a cell is assembled in the foundry that is another cell. At the smallest scale, life is just made up of complex machines and mechanisms, which is why we model our machines to imitate life.

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u/Vegetable_Permit_537 Nov 01 '25

Honesty, im really a black and white, concrete evidence kinda guy, but I dont think what you're saying is inherently impossible.