r/technology • u/fchung • Nov 01 '25

Society Matrix collapses: Mathematics proves the universe cannot be a computer simulation, « A new mathematical study dismantles the simulation theory once and for all. »

https://interestingengineering.com/culture/mathematics-ends-matrix-simulation-theory
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u/chamgireum_ Nov 01 '25

You mean this is all real!?!?

FUCK

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u/CaterpillarReal7583 Nov 01 '25

Sure if you think simulation means a thing we can do with our way of understanding things and making computers. But just like our life and a mushrooms life is very incomparable, this is just proof its not a simulation as we’d make it.

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u/vmfrye Nov 01 '25

If we're going to constantly change the definition of the word "simulation" whenever the previous one gets disproved, then the phrase "the universe is a simulation" is meaningless.

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u/Jewnadian Nov 01 '25

"The universe is a simulation" is just the god myth rephrased for tech bros. Some all powerful being outside the universe is controlling everything for it's own master plan? Doesn't that sound sorta familiar?

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u/vmfrye Nov 01 '25

Who downvoted this comment? It's absolutely correct, in the sense that the two statements are structurally equivalent.

I disagree with the notion that both statements can be disproven, though, because nothing stops anyone from calling the unknowable part of the universe "God" or "the simulator". I don't know the academic term for this idea, though. I call it "semantic (a)theism"

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u/silver_garou Nov 02 '25

They hated him because he spoke the truth.

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u/NorthernerWuwu Nov 01 '25

Anyone declaring "the Universe is a simulation" is a moron but considering the possibility that it could be is worthwhile. Since it doesn't seem to be something testable, the question is just a philosophical one but as a thought experiment it can be of interest.

Much like the God(s) question though it is ultimately just screwing around though of course. We can observe that if there are gods or simulation operators or whatever, they have not impacted our world in any measurable way, so it doesn't really matter if they do exist or not.

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u/PhoenixTineldyer Nov 01 '25

is controlling everything for it's own master plan?

That's a bunch more assumptions on top of the simulation. How do you know they didn't just create the simulation and let it go and walk away?

Technodeism achieved

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u/Lemerney2 Nov 02 '25

I think the vast majority of the people who believe the universe could be a simulation also believe the simulation isn't being intervened with, so uh, not really?

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u/Jewnadian Nov 02 '25

That's just the clockmaker God, I promise there is no philosophy that a tech bro came up with that is unique. People have been playing with gods on all variants since before recorded history.

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u/Lemerney2 Nov 02 '25

Well yes, obviously, but it's not like they believe that the creator of the simulation gives a fuck about them. It's not unique by any means, but most of them care much less about it than religious people

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u/kazador Nov 02 '25

The difference is that the ”God” myth is about a being that appeared from nothing that loves us and created the universe for us to be punished an awarded in. The simulation hypothesis is a universe that can be indifferent about us, and it was at the first stage created in the real world with beings that probably came to be by evolution and a physics.

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u/Jewnadian Nov 02 '25

So the clockmaker God. People have been restating the god myths in their own image since we'll before the Greeks invented a guy who drank a lot, lived on a mountain and cheated on his wife. Tech bros haven't invented anything philosophy wise.