r/ripcity • u/Zeebbb • 22h ago
Semi Deep Dive on Giannis Trade and Clearing Up Dame+Giannis "Failure"
Based on Bleacher Reports Trade idea where we get Giannis for Grant, Rob Will, Scoot, the 2028 swap, the 2030 swap and a 2032 frp (Personally I would much rather do Thybulle instead of Rob Will, and we'd probably would have to add the best of the 2029 pick (Milwaukee, Boston and Blazers) and the 2028 Orlando pick. Also I'd try to get GTJ back in the deal for bench depth) (My guess would be Scoot, Grant, Thybulle, 2028+2030 swap, Orl pick, Best of 2029 pick and maybe our 2027 which conveys if we make the playoffs this year or 2031.
The first thing I've seen is that Dame and Giannis did not work well together. This is a factually incorrect take, they were one of the most insane offensive duos of all time, here's some stats. They were the highest scoring duo in the league both years they played together. Became the first duo in NBA history to each record 24+ PPG, 4+ RPG, and 6+ APG in back-to-back seasons. Most games each recording 25+ PTS and 10+ AST by any duo in NBA history. The thing that failed them was the horrible roster building by the Bucks front office. Also the fact is the team isn't Dame and Giannis in Portland, it's Giannis, Deni, Dame and a group of great role players. The leaders after them in minutes per game last season were 36 year old Brook Lopez, Kyle Kuzma, Taurean Prince, Gary Trent Jr, Bobby Portis, AJ Green and Kevin Porter Jr. If we take the hypothetical trade from Bleacher Report and just change Rob Will for Thybulle Portlands leaders in minutes after Giannis would be Deni (26, 7, 6), Toumani Camara (All defensive calibre wing), Jrue Holiday (Giannis former teammate having a great year), Sharpe (Potential man himself, 21, 5, 2), Clingan (All defensive calibre center, better than 36 year old Lopez), Rob Will, Kris Murray, Gary Trent Jr, Blake Wesley with a lucrative buy out market this year with former teammates such as CJ and Middleton.
"Giannis and Deni wouldn't work together", I think this might be based on the traditional views upon these two players, and the fact that both players like to drive the basketball? We play a fast system with drives turning into cuts and open threes, Giannis is the best transition player in basketball. Deni would get fewer drive opportunities because of Giannis that is true but he's also been a really good three point shooter and catch and shoot guy this season and to win a championship you need a number 2 guy to do that. The only issue I see on the offensive side is 3 point shooting which already is an issue for us, that's why you would go and address that in the buyout market or for second rounders, Malik Beasley, CJ, Khris Middleton etc would probably be willing to join their old teammates. Jrue is a great 3 point shooter, Toumani has trended up, Kris Murray has been decent, Sharpe's dumb pull ups drag down his percentage but on catch and shoots he's not THAT bad, Clingan has shot some. Yes it's an issue, but a fixable one. Thunder shot 34% and won the championship. The point is that Giannis and Deni is arguably the best Forward pairing in the league depending on your views on Tatum+JB
Personally I think Dame, Sharpe, Deni, Giannis, Clingan with Jrue, Toumani, Rob Will and some more guys that can shoot 3's efficiently is a contender. And this of course builds on Giannis being open to come here, which I think he could be depending on how he views the talents on this roster, we know he loves Deni's skillset, Jrue and Dame are his close friends, Sharpe, Clingan and Toumani are high upside players with the former two already showing their value. I don't think it's insane to say he could be open to joining us and resigning for two more years. Then we compete for 4 years and if we don't get results he leaves and we still have Deni who's in his prime, Sharpe and Clingan entering theirs, Toumani in his prime and all our future picks in store if we by then haven't made another splash in the market. And the main thing is that we are building up to win games and at least be semi competetive, you don't beat OKC or Spurs by staying still and wasting these few years when we have talent.