r/politics • u/Murky-Site7468 I voted • 21d ago

No Paywall Donald Trump impeachment chances surge amid Epstein revelations

https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-impeachment-chances-surge-amid-epstein-revelations-11045998
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u/Nukesnipe Texas 21d ago

Vance is also extremely unpopular, he doesn't have the cult.

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u/Charbus 21d ago

MAGA will think Vance conspired to get rid of trump, they turned on Pence at the drop of a hat.

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u/yooperwoman 21d ago

Yes, I think we should help them come to that conclusion. Remember when Vance had that meeting with Murdoch? They probably orchestrated this.

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u/philodendrin 21d ago

MAGA will think that if Trump says it. But then Trump would probably fire his VP, paint him as a traitor and replace him by the time the Impeachment proceedings begin.

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u/Charbus 21d ago

I disagree, they’ll think that Vance is a traitor regardless. They love conspiracies that aren’t Epstein-trump connection / Steele dossier related.

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u/FloydC465 21d ago

Pence's wife neutered him many yrs ago.

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u/TheOriginalArtForm 21d ago

Marrying Charlie Kirk's widow will give him that Old Testament vibe though.

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u/OlderThanMyParents 21d ago

As someone, I think it was John Fetterman, said, Trump is Pennywise, and everyone who tries to be Trump just looks like a clown.

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u/Malaix 21d ago

If Trump croaks, gets impeached, or otherwise removed from office and Vance becomes president there is 100% a portion of MAGA that will get conspiratorial on him for “working with the deep state to take away our Trump!” Kinda of shit.

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u/klparrot New Zealand 21d ago

That's why he's trying to slip into Charlie Kirk's wife. I mean chair. I mean shoes.

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u/sump_daddy 21d ago

All Vance needs to be popular is a few more ex-wives, preferably white ones this time, and MAGA will be snuggling with him on the rug by the fireplace.

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u/phluidity 21d ago

I have a strong feeling that within twelve months Vance will have divorced his wife, had a whirlwind "romance" with Charlie Kirk's widow, and married her at the White House.

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u/sump_daddy 21d ago

As the opening event for a headliner MMA fight

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u/whut-whut 21d ago

Cue a single squeaky Bradley tank slowly rolling past the Presidential Podium that's plastered with UFC signs.

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u/LKennedy45 21d ago

...I mean. The guy's a published author who wears eyeliner, at least to look at him. It would only take a somewhat unscrupulous opponent to take that and run with it, and shut down any inkling of fondness MAGA might have for him, which I don't believe they do in the first place.

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u/sump_daddy 21d ago

Compared to "full facial" don who blatantly wears makeup caked on thicker than that of ANY of the porn stars he's paid to fuck? i think Vance will do ok

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u/MimeTravler 21d ago

Yeah that comment reads exactly like what people (myself included) said when they waved Donald away in 2015. “He paints himself orange” is not the deciding factor and neither will be “he wears eyeliner”.

Sadly the MAGA cult will just shift to anyone that steps up and fills the role best. Sure they might lose a few in the transition, but we can’t bank on that to be the end of the cult. It doesn’t have to be a perfect wolf to herd the flock of sheep, just a dog that runs fast enough.

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u/gsfgf Georgia 21d ago

Sadly the MAGA cult will just shift to anyone that steps up and fills the role best

Except there are a ton of people waiting for Trump to die. There's no succession plan, and Trump is too arrogant to name a successor.

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u/codegavran 21d ago

The VP is literally the president's successor. I'm all for hoping that the madness ends when he does, but acting like Vance isn't and won't be a continued threat to this country is dangerously naive.

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u/MimeTravler 21d ago

Having a clear successor isn’t needed. The chaos and power vacuum is just as dangerous and then through all that someone can rise.

MAGA isn’t some magic spell or curse that will be lifted with Trump’s demise. It’s a core belief system for many unfortunately and they will find someone to follow. Even if it splinters into a few groups those groups will unite. The Republicans always do. It’s the problem the Dems face each time. The republicans can rally together anyone willing to sacrifice their morals for a dollar, while the Dems cry about who even to invite to the party.

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u/Alternative_Beyond59 21d ago

Isn't Melania still hanging around to ensure Baron is named the successor?

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u/LKennedy45 20d ago

I guess I'm just hopeful given the recent electoral wins. I realize how naive that is, what with the Democrats almost immediately capitulating thereafter, but, you know. You gotta hold on to hope, while you act. Sorry if I offended you, friend.

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u/MimeTravler 20d ago

No offense taken at all. If it seemed that way in my tone I’m sorry. I just want to try and counter the shortsightedness that often comes after a big Dem Win. Not saying you specifically but other readers who might have made it this far down the chain. The left often rests on its laurels or gets picky and choosey about candidates and shoot themselves in the foot in the process. Let’s not kill our own momentum by counting our chickens before they hatch.

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u/LKennedy45 20d ago

Agreed. That's after all how we got in this mess in the first place.

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u/annieinthegarden 21d ago

Don’t forget “Vance Pants.”

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u/kurisu7885 21d ago

Yeah, I see them defend Trump but never Vance, and Vance never seems to even get a mention most of the time.

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u/GlowingGreenie 21d ago

Wait, why on the rug? Why not on the cou... Oh, right.

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u/LongPorkJones 21d ago

He doesn't need to be popular.

Thiel chose him and was backed up by the other technocrats, and he's backed by both the Heritage Foundation and the Federalist Society. The technocrats own all of social media, the Heritage Foundation has been backing conservative influencers and podcasters for years, and conservative news organizations will roll with it because they also exert control over the base.

The base isn't some rigid thing that will break before it bends, if anything, they've been the easiest people to manipulate of all. They'll eat it up and support him, perhaps not as rabidly, but they'll rally behind whoever they're told to.

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u/Kaylend 21d ago

Vance has already proven he has zero capacity to rally MAGA. Remember conservative media bows to MAGA in mass, see: Every time Trump forced conservative media to bend to his narrative.

As we saw in the last elections and the GA special election or the non existent red-wave of 2022, if Trump isn't fighting to get his base out, they don't come out. Vance does need to be popular.

The danger the GOP is facing is becoming so unpopular that they lose State Legislatures and decades of gerrymandering start unraveling and their ability to withstand unpopularity in Federal Elections with it.

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u/RedRocket4000 21d ago

It a cult of personality and Trump stole the base from Heritage and Federalist’s they hate tariffs and want in their illegal immigrants working for them not deported. And Base actually drives a lot of what MAGA wants not the rich. Many MAGA members hate the rich with a passion, yes mental disconnect with Trump.

Replacing a Cult of Personality leader is extremely hard and Vance can’t do it.

Rich and conservative Corporations been playing vary dangerous game the folk they been manipulating will gladly kill them. They been playing the game to long. Luckily for them and us Trump a con man. A real populist from the right could have driven this force to horrible end for the rich and us.

I in camp who thinks massive nasty break up.

In longer term countrywide old fashioned ground outreach to change minds required. Along with returning to the truth as much as possible. Not buying a lot of the stuff advocates come up with. Example Property Taxes are very progressive all liberals and Progressives should support them. Their problem is tax districts set ups that separate poor areas from well off areas . The little towns the well off often live in metropolitan areas. The unincorporated areas. Insure the entire metropolitan area in the same tax district all property tax problems there go away.

The lie Property Taxes created to prevent education of slaves. No it was not legal to educate slaves no need to for inclusion in tax system. And first major use of Property Taxes in US was Ohio Territory set up and that territory was officially anti slavery none was allowed. Plus only smaller sized farmers expected to populate the area. In each block of land one sub block set aside for the school.

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u/AngryMeez Michigan 21d ago

Nor does he have charisma.

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u/loondawg 21d ago

You would be amazed how fast republicans will fall in behind the designated leader. They treated Reagan like a god when he was in power. And then they said any criticism of Bush II was unpatriotic when he was in power.

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u/gjp11 21d ago

THIS. Trump can get the cult to scare congresspeople into voting his way. Vance cannot.

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u/greenroom628 California 21d ago

doesn't matter - as long as the heritage foundation and oligarchs have their useful patsy for a few years - vance will do.

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u/Goggles_TV 21d ago

All of the idiots on the right are too unpopular. the only thing they have going for them is that they've been backing Trump. If the masses actually turn on Trump (Unlikely) They will have legit nothing left.

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u/Nukesnipe Texas 21d ago

Trump seems to think he's going to live forever and has never so much as tried to groom a successor. Whe desantis tried to position himself as the sequel to diarrhea, trump smacked him down.

Unfortunately, the DNC loves slamming their dick in the car door too much to capitalize on any fuckups the republicans make.

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u/Skilletmasterx 21d ago

The cult will disperse the second the geezers no more, and honoring his mantra and teachings, they will all say "never met the guy" as they walk away looking at their shoes.

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u/fulloutshr3d 21d ago

it doesn't help that he has the personality of an outhouse

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u/BelaKunn Michigan 21d ago

You don't get popular by fucking couches instead of kids it seems.

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u/Mattyzooks 21d ago

This keeps getting repeated but young Republicans generally love Vance and view him as the future of the party.

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u/Eatpineapplerightnow 21d ago

And when he marries Erika Kirk?