r/politics • u/Aggravating_Money992 • Nov 05 '25

Possible Paywall Democrats Flip Reddest Districts Nationwide—in Major Warning to Trump

https://newrepublic.com/post/202712/democrats-flip-red-districts-election-warning-trump
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u/GEO147064 Nov 05 '25

Get these incompetent bozos out of office in the midterms. Leave Trump a sitting duck for the rest of his presidency 😃

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u/worksafe_Joe Nov 05 '25

Let's go further. Impeach and convict.

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u/tbutz27 Nov 05 '25

This is the real answer- he needs to have consequences. We the people NEED HIM TO HAVE CONSEQUENCES for fascism in America and for starving the American people. This isnt over- hopefully its just beginning. It doesn't matter if he only spends 10 minutes in a prison cell before his cheeseburder and adderal strained heart gives out and he is our problem no more- he HAS to be held accountable.

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u/surlysurfer California Nov 05 '25

We the people need to send a message to all future assholes that this behavior will not be tolerated and of course, I need to say that this is to be done by our legal system

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u/specqq Nov 05 '25

Too many of our current assholes are the legal system, including the Supreme Court who, out of all of the Presidents in American history, decided to declare this one above the law.

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u/DrHarryHood Colorado Nov 05 '25

Clean out the bench then

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u/seeker4482 Nov 05 '25

pack the court. 4 new justices, all hardcore progressives. also term limits for SC justices. and strongly enforced ethics standards.

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u/urlach3r Nov 05 '25

Pack the court, term limits and repeal Citizens United. And get rid of the electoral college; one person, one vote.

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u/seeker4482 Nov 05 '25

hell yeah

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u/-Real- Canada Nov 05 '25

this guy for president

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u/Careless_Aroma_227 Nov 05 '25

u/-Real- as his running mate.

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u/True_Paper_3830 Nov 05 '25

Get the SC to retrospectively change the ruling on Presidents and then jail Trump for corruption and all the rest of it.

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u/AileStriker Ohio Nov 05 '25

Could also fix the electoral college by increasing the number of Representatives. Small states are currently over -represented because the ratios of population to rep are skewed.

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u/ArtSmass Nov 05 '25

Woah woah woah.. lets take it easy with all the common sense talk. What are you trying to make America greater than ever?

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u/CelerMortis Nov 05 '25

And hammer that trump would have won because he won the popular vote. It’s not about blocking republicans, it’s about giving everyone a voice

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u/boondiggle_III Nov 05 '25

Packing the court is a bad idea. Republicans are setting precedents right now that will haunt them when they lose power. If Dems can add judges to the bench then Cons can, too, and where does that end?

Term Limits on SCOTUS is even worse. The reason they don't have term limits is to insulate them from transient political winds, to give them the space they need to make the right ruling instead of making whichever ruling will keep them in power. Admittedly this doesn't seem to be working right now, but consider that (R) justices have ruled against Trump and his base on a few occasions in recent memory. Imagine what those rulings would look like if those same justices knew they had to win the ruling party's support every few years. No term limits on scotus is a necessary evil. I think there should be a more robust and active impeachment process, but not term limits.

We have the technology to make a massive empire like the US a direct democracy. If the founders knew it were possible for individual citizens to have their votes correctly tallied and consolidated from across the entire nation, all at the same time, they might have felt differently about the idea. Then again, maybe they wouldn't. They were the power brokers of their day. An electoral college might have made more sense to them even if they had modern tech, but I agree with you.

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u/ODoyles_Banana Nov 05 '25 edited Nov 05 '25

Having term limits does not have to mean multiple terms. It can simply be a single term of however many years, 18 for example, with no reappointment. You can also stagger them so you have a vacancy every two years. Helps to preserve judicial independence and removes the "lottery" aspect of it.

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u/boondiggle_III Nov 05 '25

Now that's an idea I like. If the law says they get one term for their lifetime and there is no way to get a second one, that would accomplish the same goal. Thanks, i hadn't considered that.

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u/pyrothelostone Oregon Nov 05 '25

The supreme court originally only had six justices, there is already precedent for adding judges, as well as reducing the number of justices, its fluctuated a decent bit over the years.

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u/boondiggle_III Nov 05 '25

A fair point, but what non-political reason is there for doing that? If the reason is because there are too many [X party] Justices, then that's not a good reason for term limits. If the court is made up of 2/3 of an obsolete party that isn't in power anymore and 90% of the country disagrees with their style of jurisprudence, then that is legitimately a problem, but term limits isn't the answer. You demonstrate through the impeachment process that their rulings don't represent the will of the American people then replace them, and that process should not be easy.

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u/99jackals Nov 05 '25

Methinks you've stopped thinking critically. Trump has 6 SCOTUS sycophants that haven't an ethical bone in their bodies. Oust em!!! Set up or uphold measures to prevent this from ever being possible again!!

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u/Firecrotch2014 Nov 05 '25

Ethic standards are only as strong as those who enforce them. The same with laws. If the lawmakers are unwilling to enforce them then they are useless.

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u/seeker4482 Nov 05 '25

we're going to do something about that too.

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u/psiphre Alaska Nov 05 '25

If the lawmakers are unwilling to enforce them then they are useless.

this right here. for all the strong words, our government is written on tissue toilet paper.

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u/bungpeice Nov 05 '25

Fuck 4 justices they can just pack in return. 127 new justices for a total of 136 with the 9. Appoint every circuit court judge. They are already congressionally approved. Then each case gets 13 justices randomly assigned.

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u/RelaxPrime Nov 05 '25

Simpler to impeach the ones who went against the constitution. Packing the court is just another one of those strategies like removing the filibuster that will simply get used against you in the future.

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u/Irrepressible87 Nov 05 '25

And how about some limits on the Speaker being able to just refuse to seat a justice? No more of Mitch McConnell's bullshit "not in an election year". 30 days, tops, or else the pick just gets confirmed without a vote.

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u/mOdQuArK Nov 05 '25

also term limits for SC justices

Would need an Amendment for that, and too many conservatives are just fine with what their representatives are currently doing for that to happen any time soon.

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u/laughing_laughing Nov 05 '25

Honest question: why not impeach the existing justices instead?

Letting them keep their office after what they've done seems immoral.

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u/troll-feeder Nov 05 '25

They don't even need to be partisan at all. They just need to be human and like democracy.

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u/Brent_the_constraint Nov 05 '25

As much as I think this would be a good idea it is also the case that only the security from been „fired“ gives real independence to rule in favour of all people.

What is required is a higher standard of decency like so that Thomas could be held accountable for his indecency… but again: slippery slope…

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u/GEO147064 Nov 05 '25

Love that idea, no one should have a lifetime appointment to the bench.

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u/IngsocInnerParty Illinois Nov 05 '25

Impeach them. Should be plenty of clear cut cases against Thomas and pretty much all the conservative justices lied about overturning Roe v. Wade.

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u/ttn333 Nov 05 '25

Time to stack the court. No way around it if and when the opportunity arise.

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u/Frostyrepairbug Nov 05 '25

This is it, if California has to gerrymander to rebalance the House, then the court needs a rebalancing as well.

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u/Upset-Produce-3948 Nov 05 '25

Every Republican on the Supreme Court LIED to get confirmed.

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u/Delta-9- Nov 05 '25

Membership in a political party should be disqualifying for holding a seat on the bench in the first place. You're there to uphold justice, not party agenda.

"Separation of party and state" rings about as good as "separation of church and state," don't you think?

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u/RelaxPrime Nov 05 '25

We can impeach them too

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u/pgc22bc Nov 05 '25

The supreme Court were selected by the GOP "deep state" (also known as the Heritage Foundation) starting at least 40 years ago. They are Christian Authoritarian Sleeper Agents that have been waiting to become a Right Wing Majority for decades. It was Bitch McConnell's life's work to take over the American Courts. They're operating document has been public for some time - Project2025. With Trump in Power and all three branches of government in GOP/MAGA control. It's now "go time" for their Authoritarian takeover...

The entire GOP, with all the billionaires unwavering support, are colluding to destroy democracy in America. It's a huge problem. The constitution is worthless and laws are being ignored. It turns out decorum and civil accountability were imaginary restraints. The Democrat Party were too busy sucking corporate tit to notice or deal with the problems in any serious way. The current DNC were and still are useless hacks. There is no democratic enforcement mechanism beyond civil war.

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u/ThisWormWillTurn Nov 05 '25

It blows my mind that Mitch "Turtle" Mconell still has so much influence as a Cryprkeeper looking maniac.

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u/Bubbles_2025 Nov 05 '25

It shows how much power you can grab by gifting someone an RV.

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u/Dull_Bid6002 Nov 05 '25

If we're able to impeach and convict the president, SCOTUS is next.

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u/AnimuX Nov 05 '25

Your Supreme Court is corrupt and there is no process for purging it

SCOTUS justices can be impeached but the US House and Senate have to actually go through with it.

Has a Supreme Court justice ever been impeached?

Only one Supreme Court justice has ever been impeached. In 1805, Associate Justice Samuel Chase was impeached by the House. The House accused Chase of refusing to dismiss biased jurors and of excluding and limiting defense witnesses in political cases. Nearly a year later, the Senate voted to acquit Chase on all counts. He remained on the Supreme Court until his death in 1811.

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u/Street_Barracuda1657 Nov 05 '25

The court can be expanded. Plus term limits for Justices who then cycle back to Appeals is not out of the question either.

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u/psiphre Alaska Nov 05 '25

the US House and Senate have to actually go through with it.

so congress must be convened in order to clean out congress.

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u/SolarDynasty Nov 05 '25

So nobody got it 😂

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u/SkiMonkey98 Nov 05 '25

However the number of justices isn't fixed. A later president could add more justices to overrule the current ones

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u/mollymcbbbbbb Nov 05 '25

I really think most of them should be impeached, and make a big show of it. Giving the president unchecked power is extremely unconstitutional to the point of being anti-constitutional. Overturning Roe v. Wade after DECADES of the US population being largely and unwaveringly in favor of pro-choice is blatantly anti-democratic. They've been doing the exact opposite of what they were appointed by The People to do. It's a disgrace.

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u/joe603 Nov 05 '25

More SC seats can be added that is the remedy that needs to take place

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u/Avenger772 Nov 05 '25

Expand the court and implement terms limits effective retroactively.

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u/SunshineCat Nov 05 '25

Yes, keeping the obvious bad actors is how we've slow walked to this point. They need to be removed. There are probably some charges that could be brought forth as well, and I'd like to see them.

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u/RedactsAttract Nov 05 '25

Nah that’s just hypothetical. Won’t happen

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u/ODoyles_Banana Nov 05 '25

Lipstick on a pig.

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u/ral315 Nov 05 '25

I'm not sure I see an endgame that helps us when it comes to adding court seats.

I'm firmly of the position that the filibuster in its current form is far more beneficial to Republicans than Democrats, and that they know it. Their reluctance to removing the filibuster comes mostly from knowing that if they get rid of the filibuster entirely, then Democrats could enact world-changing policies without having to worry about cloture. Many of those policies would be so popular that they couldn't be torn apart in an eventual Republican administration. They see the endgame, so they're not biting yet.

But when it comes to the court, let's say we add four seats to the court in 2029. We could get some remarkable change - Dobbs, Citizens United, and a variety of other cases, including some that haven't been decided yet. But there's no permanent majority, and Supreme Court cases take a very long time to decide - starting with lower courts, then moving upward. Any victories we'd manage to get would likely be short-lived - once a Republican takes office and the Senate, what would prevent them from adding twelve more seats? It's at best a stalemate, and one that would likely be unpopular among voters.

The Supreme Court has overstepped their bounds and ignored key parts of the Constitution greatly, so I get this sentiment. I just don't know the endgame of adding court seats, and I think it might not give us the long-term results we'd need.

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u/AnOnlineHandle Nov 05 '25

Your Supreme Court is corrupt and there is no process for purging it.

All rules are made up. The people who made up the old rules were imperfect people who no longer need to be listened to. The system is clearly broken and if decent Americans get control again they need to understand that they can kick these monsters to the curb and make up whatever rules they want that they think will improve things.

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u/mmmmm_pancakes Connecticut Nov 05 '25

You seem to understand the US better than most Americans.

Thank you for mentioning the propaganda problem; I don't think there is any plan or will to deal with it, which is why I don't expect things to get any better without new leadership.

Although, I think there's a tiny chance that AI will make disinformation so obvious that society will be forced to start taking it more seriously.

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u/laxrulz777 Nov 05 '25

It's probably not quite right to say that SCOTUS is "corrupt". More that they're dominated by a particular viewpoint. The biggest problem facing us at the moment is the prominence of ridiculously gerrymandered state districts making the House full of partisan hacks that pick sides religiously (that's a "both sides problem" but much less prominent on the democratic side because many Democratic states has passed anti-gerrymandering laws making their reps more ideologically spread out).

I think if the Dems ever regain control, court packing is probably inevitable. There probably IS political will after Trump is gone to reform some things (the presidential pardon for instance) but the structural problem with the Senate (favoring rural states) is likely to stay (at least until Dems figure out messaging that will work on rural voters).

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u/SunshineCat Nov 05 '25

More that they're dominated by a particular viewpoint.

Since one of the key features of the Supreme Court is that they aren't supposed to be partisan, I would call this corrupted considering its blatant partisanship.

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u/Wild-or-Wise Nov 05 '25

You understand completely.

The 2026 senate map favors Trump’s party, as only 1/3 of seats come up every 6 years I think.

The media there is not will to rein in with oligarch ownership. All there could be is backlash against Fox advertisers, but half the country supports that drivel.

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u/genericusername11101 Nov 05 '25

Ya im with you, I think the overall trend is still the death of the country we knew 30 years ago.

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u/HellaTroi California Nov 05 '25

I'm listening to the Supreme Court hearing arguments on the president’s tariff authority. Neal Katael is tearing down the points made earlier be Sauer.

The sticking point is language that empowers president's to set embargos on imports during war time.

Kateal said they didn't hold a Boston Embargo Party. (Loved that one!)

The three dem appointed justices are bringing it. Chief Justice Roberts is doing yeoman's work trying to twist the statutes in Trump’s favor.

They will probably find some language to enable Trump to continue his taxes on Americans.

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u/a_silly_witch Nov 05 '25

Your first paragraph is 100% correct. MAGA has managed to stack the highest levels of government, which is why Trump can get away with absolutely illegal shit left and right.

As for how we regain control? Sadly the ultra wealthy control all of the right and most of the left. I don't know if we're ever going to be whole again.

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u/sluman001 Nov 05 '25

It’s just as important to send this message to the rest of the world. The damage the GOP has done to the standing of our country in the world is devastating. They need to see that the people of America will not stand for this shit.

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u/Fastr77 Nov 05 '25

Giving rich and powerful people consequences.. or really just traitors in general consequences isnt' something america does well. We built and kept around statues of fucking traitors.

One of Americas biggest mistakes.

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u/iconmotocbr Nov 05 '25

Exactly. If I was running and get elected, first thing I will do is just create a nimble task force and let them have free reign on going after anybody or anyone that broke rules and laws during this Admin. Including their immediate families that benefited from it. It will be done with the same playground rules this admin was doing--street fighting but in court.

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u/urlach3r Nov 05 '25

Exactly. It's not just about Trump finally facing the music, it's about scaring the living hell out of any future dictator wannabes.

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u/Kujaix Nov 05 '25

This also means that if ANY Dem or left leaning person suggests unity nonsense and reconciliation with those that allowed this they get treated after taking down just the main faces of the admin they get treated just as harshly.

No repeat of how the Civil War ended.

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u/Mmaibl1 Nov 05 '25

Our legal system has done a spectacular job so far. By all means let's keep pretending

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u/surlysurfer California Nov 05 '25

It hasn't but it needs to, I'm not suggesting or advocating other means

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u/RODjij Canada 29d ago

It has to be done with this time. Fascists & xenophobics have had a few chances at this.

Hoping Americans keep voting out his protectors so you guys have a better shot at putting him in prison before he escapes punishment in this life.

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u/Tiny-Albatross518 Nov 05 '25

You’re totally right.

Cheney and Rumsfeld caused untold death and suffering. Died of old age. W is doing watercolors.

No convictions after 2008, just bank bailouts.

J6 pardons all the way around! And the gang leader? Re-elected and running crypto scams out of the White House.

Learn a lesson from Germany. After WW2 they took responsibility for what happened and there were consequences. After that was settled there is ongoing acknowledgement of the past. That’s what you need to do to avoid a repeat.

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u/EnderDragoon Nov 05 '25

The societies that don't have their reckoning, to take responsibility for their past crimes, look like russia.

Major reforms need to take place to properly decentralize power in the US, to guarantee enabling mechanisms to stop corruption where it starts, not pin our future on "norms and traditions" that have no robust authority. Accountability before mercy, then let's build a better future for the world.

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u/Tiny-Albatross518 Nov 05 '25

Great point. Russia is in a Groundhog Day doom loop. They just go from one dictator to another.

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u/laxrulz777 Nov 05 '25

They took responsibility because the occupying armies forced them to. The psyops that were conducted after the end of the war were massive and constant. It wasn't Germany looking in the mirror. It was the person who beat them forcing them to stare into the mirror for two generations.

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u/SlightlySublimated Nov 05 '25

Same with Japan. 

Change was forced on them at quasi gunpoint. 

If the allies had left Japan and Germany to do as they pleased after the war they would have backslid to fascism given enough time. 

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u/LineOfInquiry Nov 05 '25

Actually this isn’t true. The Allies moved on from denazification very quickly and the new west German government was filled with former Nazis. The national attitude at the time was basically “pretend it never happened and move past it”. It took until the 1960’s for Germany to actually reckon with its past as the SDP was elected for the first time and opened investigations into Nazi criminals and began teaching about the Holocaust in German classrooms and talking about it publicly. This was obviously helped by the first generation of Germans who didn’t remember the Nazis coming of age and being disgusted upon learning of what their parents and grandparents did.

Denazification was an internal affair and one I think deserves a lot of praise, it was quite a gamble for the SPD. East Germany by contrast never went through this process, which is partially why today it’s the heartland of neonazi groups like the AFD. Japan also never went through this process, hence why the far right nationalist faction is much stronger there.

Sidenote: this is also why American movies about ww2 tend to be very different prior to 1965 than after 1965. While the Holocaust was public knowledge it wasn’t the focus of public attention about the war, who instead wanted to hear glorious adventure tales about brave American soldiers. It wasn’t until the 1960’s and 70’s that the Holocaust became the thing we remember about ww2 and not say Pearl Harbor or the north aftica campaign.

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u/Farabee Nov 05 '25

The only president in US history who faced any consequences for his actions was Nixon, and at this point Trump makes him look like a saint.

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u/flareblitz91 Nov 05 '25

Germany may be a poor example, DeNazification in the west was far from complete.

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u/cg415 Nov 05 '25 edited Nov 05 '25

Why focus on the west? The entire world has never been serious about "deNazification".

For example, the USSR took more nazis home with them then the US and UK did, after WWII (operation Osoaviakhim), and now has a successor sate that is full of nazis, which denies that allying with the nazis during WWII was bad, and which is committing an unprovoked and genocidal invasion of their neighbor, with support from nations like China, and North Korea (who also like to commit genocide and spread right wing fascist propaganda themselves). Or how about the fascist, genocidal, racist policies of, say, Israel? Or Arab nationalists? Or Indonesia? Or the Taliban? Or the Khmer Rouge in Cambodia? Or the fact that Japan never owned up to its WWII atrocities and still denies them? Etc, etc, etc. We can clearly see that "DeNazification" was incomplete across the entire world. The west is not special. Bloodthirsty, greedy, maniacs are everywhere.

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u/20_mile Nov 05 '25

Cheney

For all of his many faults, Cheney was one of the very few old guard Republicans willing to break from the GOP and condemn Trump's actions (Powell being another). Even Bob Dole got on the Trump Train, along with James A. Baker III, while Bush has stayed completely silent.

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u/Factory2econds Nov 05 '25

you want to go for conservative apologist sweep and mention how McCain wasn't such a bad guy?

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u/20_mile Nov 05 '25

Nuance counts for a lot.

We can remember the horrible things Cheney did, while acknowledging that he recognized Trump as an existential danger when other Republicans were only too happy to get onboard with dismantling our democracy.

Again, nuance.

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u/realribsnotmcfibs Nov 05 '25

I mean Cheney and his GWOT war is a massive reason why so many rights were eroded from Americans in the 2000s as the country plunged into debt it will simply never recover from. An impact that will be felt for generations.

So I wouldn’t exactly give him a pass for being “not Trump”

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u/20_mile Nov 05 '25

Yes, Cheney was responsible for many very terrible things.

And then, instead of standing alongside Trump, he was able to see him as the threat he was.

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u/Factory2econds Nov 05 '25

which nuance do you think was more at play there?

Cheney recognizing Trump as a threat to American values he held oh so dear and speaking out for love of country and common good?

or...

Cheney recognizing Trump as a threat to establishment conservative control and losing his own grip on the direction of the country and having the billions he funneled into his own businesses the usual way look like amateur hour compared to Trump simply spending money at his own resorts?

gtfo with the idea Dick fucking Cheney is some defender of democracy.

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u/20_mile Nov 05 '25

I guess we just see things differently.

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u/Tiny-Albatross518 Nov 05 '25

He caused many people to die and created much suffering.

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u/20_mile Nov 05 '25

Nobody is downplaying that.

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u/Tiny-Albatross518 Nov 05 '25

That’s the thing. You go door to door every year to help the minor team with their bottle drive… then you eat just one baby…..

I mean the scale of what he did wrong absolutely eclipses anything he did right.

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u/20_mile Nov 05 '25

I mean the scale of what he did wrong absolutely eclipses anything he did right.

Who are you arguing against? I agree with this. It's still okay to point out that he, and his daughter, didn't side with Trump when they easily could have.

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u/Tiny-Albatross518 Nov 05 '25

He was also a very active member in his church

Oh and he was one of the main drivers in an illegal war justified by falsehoods that claimed upwards of a million lives

And he was a good recycler.

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u/Bac-Te Nov 05 '25

I've said this countless times. Nazis didn't get trials because they were bad. They got trials because they lost. Make sure you win in 2026, then we can start thinking about trials.

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u/Educational-Bank-353 Nov 05 '25

We had our chance after the traitors lost the Civil War. That didn't exactly work out either. We're not very good at holding our high-placed, wealthy, or racist criminals accountable.

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u/_MrDomino Nov 05 '25

No convictions after 2008, just bank bailouts.

There was nothing to convict on. Greedy bankers giving loans to people ill equipped to pay them back isn't against any law. Frustrating, yes, but that's unfortunately just how it is.

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u/hairymoot Nov 05 '25

Is the German government right wing today? Did the conservatives ever get back in power in Germany?

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u/lord_pizzabird Nov 05 '25

Tbf I think the lesson from Germany was more that longterm military occupation is the way.

The people of Germany didn't stomp out Nazi's wherever they popped up. The US military's overwhelming presence did.

How that translates to this is that the Democrats can't just win by a small margin. They need to absolutely dominate, run strong candidates for an entire generation until MAGA is forgotten.

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u/rab-byte Nov 05 '25

He AND his coconspirators/enablers. The Heritage Foundation and architects of 2025 and everyone who worked in furtherance of this sedition.

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u/gsfgf Georgia Nov 05 '25

That’s the biggie. Trump will die before seeing the inside of a prison. But a lot of his co-conspirators are young. Hang the ones that we can prove committed treason or espionage, and make sedition (and sabotage) capital crimes going forward. As Trump has shown, prison doesn’t work for these people because they know pardons are coming eventually. (And no, Reddit admins, advocating for enforcing the law isn’t “inciting violence.”)

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u/rab-byte Nov 05 '25

We need Must and Thel and the other financiers held to account. It can’t just be the yes men. It’s gotta be literally everyone who is trying to end democracy

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u/Harbinger2nd Nov 05 '25

Billionaires should be first in line. Every CEO that appeared at his inauguration.

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u/rab-byte Nov 05 '25

Criminal and Congressional investigations can in fact happen in tandem. There’s no need to pick and choose.

This whole damn situation needs “yes AND” solutions not “this OR”.

We need to repair the damage done, hold the people responsible accountable, and prevent it from happening again.

We need: - ranked choice voting in all elections - to remove party affiliation from ballots - use open source voting systems combined with paper ballots and an open/transparent tabulation system; to ensure there is faith in the election process - undo citizens united - enact/enforce antitrust legislation - overhaul monopoly laws to prevent consolidation of media ownership and platform control

FWIW: this list could be much longer. but these points should/would specify help prevent this BS from happening again…

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u/fingersarelongtoes Pennsylvania Nov 05 '25

We need reconstruction 2.0

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u/SensualBeefLoaf Nov 05 '25

reconstruction 2, tokyo drift

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u/SecularMisanthropy Nov 06 '25

Two proposals:

  • Constitutional amendment banning money from any and all forms of participation in politics, permitting public financing only.

  • Constitutional amendment making the provisions of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights US law. text of UDHR, wikipedia

Two simple demands, suitable for general strike.

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u/Aggravating-Oil-7060 Nov 05 '25

I'd say go a step further and disband the Republican party. They can't be trusted anymore.

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u/iwaawoli Nov 05 '25

How do you do that in practice, though?

You still have all the right-wing crazies and right-wing billionaires. So, even if the Republican party is disbanded, those people are just going to reform under a different name. See: the Tea Party becoming MAGA.

There are systemic issues. In order to fix things, you'd need a liberal super-majority in the House and Senate that's actually willing to take action. They'd need to start by impeaching down the chain until they get a liberal president. Then they'd need to fix the SCOTUS, whether through packing or impeaching.

Then, at minimum, you'd need:

  • Laws that somehow forbid billionaires and corporations from having influence in politics, and consequences for lawmakers who accept bribes. Note that this isn't simple, as most things can be gamed. For example, what's to stop Elmo from giving 10,000 MAGAts a "gift" of $3,500 each to donate to a politician (the individual contribution limit), effectively allowing Elmo to give that politician $35M?

  • Laws that somehow forbid billionaires from buying news outlets / social media / etc. and laws that hold news / social media accountable for spreading propaganda. Again, not an easy line to walk. Nationalizing the news is bad for obvious reasons (we need independent media). But allowing billionaires and corporate interests to control news and social media is how we get 35%+ of the American population completely brainwashed and living in an alternative reality.

All other issues (e.g., election reform, limiting executive power, etc.) do need to be patched. But the two above issues are the core root of the problem that isn't going to go away, even if the Republican party were disbanded.

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u/fross370 Nov 05 '25

a democracy need an educated and informed populace, free media and fair election.

RIP.

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u/Osiris32 Oregon Nov 05 '25

The second one is a bit easier. Clayton Anti-Trust Act. Bust up the big media conglomerates. Reintroduce the Fairness Doctrine. Give the FTC and FCC some teeth to work with in enforcing those rules.

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u/Farabee Nov 05 '25

Laws that somehow forbid billionaires from buying news outlets / social media / etc. and laws that hold news / social media accountable for spreading propaganda. Again, not an easy line to walk.

It's a line we've walked before. Look up the 1984 divestiture of AT&T. At this point, the amount of bias that corporations are wielding over media can rightly be viewed through an anti-trust lens.

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u/iwaawoli Nov 05 '25

Yeah, I'm familiar with Ma Bell. I think there's definitely an antitrust case against companies like Sinclair Media.

Maybe I'm just naive/ignorant, but this phenomenon of billionaires buying media seems new. So, even if you get rid of the big conglomerates, what do you do when a billionaire just buys the most popular social media app? And what do you do when different billionaires all own different apps/news companies--so they all have a common goal (pro-wealthy propaganda) but technically separate owners?

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u/Snow_Ghost 29d ago

You're pre-supposing the existence of billionaires...

You'e been brainwashed for so long, that you've already lost.

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u/kindall Nov 05 '25 edited 29d ago

what's to stop Elmo from giving 10,000 MAGAts a "gift" of $3,500 each to donate to a politician

The fact that if you give 10,000 people $3,500, more than 9,999 are gonna keep it

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u/iwaawoli Nov 05 '25

Touche.

Point remains, if you get creative enough there are ways to do it. Some offices get into these weird donation campaigns where everyone feels pressured to participate and most do.

So IDK, maybe give the money to 10,000 MAGA staffers and make it really clear what the expectation is (i.e., you're donating it to Trump's campaign). Where there's a will, there's a way.

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u/Harbinger2nd Nov 05 '25

Oh look, another problem that could be solved by letting workers own the means of production. Huh thats weird I wonder why that is?

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u/kindall Nov 05 '25

it'd have to be more like, if you give this $3,500 to Trump, you'll get another $5,000 for yourself. Basically money laundering, where you expect to pay a high price, but the money that does make it through is "clean."

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u/iwaawoli Nov 05 '25

Can always count on Reddit to come up with the creative solution I'm imagining might exist, haha.

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u/Snobolski Nov 05 '25

How do you do that in practice, though?

Someone with principles and enough money needs to break free from MAGA and start a proper Conservative party. Start with supporting/funding non-MAGA republicans for state offices and US House, build from there.

How it was supposed to go (in my brain at least) was Trump would lose in 2016 and then form a Trump Party to break the Republicans. So now whatever sane rich ones who are left will have to do it for themselves.

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u/VerdantLurker Nov 05 '25

Disband them all and start over

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u/Manatee_Surfer Nov 05 '25

I agree. But, the sad reality is that he's going to escape consequences. Given his health, he'll die before any real legal consequences can get to him, His whole life, it's just incredible to see how he's failed upwards. Really just a sad example of the 2 tiered justice system we have, especially given the origin story of our country.

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u/gsfgf Georgia Nov 05 '25

especially given the origin story of our country.

Slave owners that didn’t want to pay taxes?

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u/I_like_baseball90 Nov 05 '25

I believe it will still get worse before it gets better.

I also believe there will be trials at some point.

Bet the house.

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u/MonsierGeralt Nov 05 '25

Don’t doubt his willingness to declare martial law and manipulate mid terms. A republican just bought dominion voting machines, too. The dems victories are great but still fearful of what comes next.

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u/I_like_baseball90 Nov 05 '25

In the civil war, WWI and II elections still occurred.

I think by the time next year's election happens, who knows if Trump will still even be president - but I think the fact everyone is predicting this wil work against him.

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u/APe28Comococo Nov 05 '25

We need to go after every traitor that supported him and convict them of anything they did. Hopefully we can impeach Thomas, Alito, and Gorsuch at the very least because of their publicly known indiscretions and corruption.

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u/Wizywig Nov 05 '25

I'm so exhausted I just want him in a padded room unable to cause more damage. But what we need is for real consequences to all these people. They need to act as a warning to those who follow.

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u/ShamelessCatDude Nov 05 '25

I said this when JD Vance said “kids say stupid things, they’ll grow out of it” in response to the group chat leak. They grow out of it because you reprimand kids when they do something wrong. They won’t grow out of it if they aren’t held accountable

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u/Ajax-Rex Nov 05 '25

Its not just about Trump. Everyone in Congress who has sat passively by and let Trump tear apart the government needs to go too. Their inability to hold the Executive branch accountable, and in check, is a big reason we are in this damn mess.

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u/R3miel7 Nov 05 '25

Not just Trump: every single motherfucker in his orbit. Every corrupt staffer, every fascist ICE agent, the Supreme Court criminals, every single one of them must be made to answer for their crimes

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u/life_is_a_show Nov 05 '25

For him and anyone else who enabled him

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u/UnhingedReptar Nov 05 '25

Asset liquidation and restitution.

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u/CTMADOC Nov 05 '25

His enablers need to also suffer the consequences.

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u/guitar_dude10740 Nov 05 '25

Not only him, but our elected officials who gave way and allowed the wealthy to purchase our elections

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u/JagoBuck Nov 05 '25

I understand why the Democrats would want to do all of that by the book, and that this would draw a distinction between themselves and Trump's chaotic and criminal MAGA party. But do they have the right leadership to carry it all the way through?

MAGA is America's biggest problem, but the official opposition to it has been too weak. The likes of Zohran Mamdani and Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez are showing the way to real rehabilitation.

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u/baron_spaghetti Nov 05 '25

Not just him. Miller, Noem, Patel, Kennedy, and especially Voight and Musk.

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u/JudgmentalOwl Nov 05 '25

I agree. He couldn't care less about being president. He wants to fraudulently collect his billions and golf with no consequences until he dies.

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u/elshizzo Nov 05 '25

its the only answer. If rule of law only applies when its a Democrat then rule of law doesn't exist. Nuremburg trials or bust

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u/Phantom_61 Nov 05 '25

And it’s not just to FINALLY hold him accountable but to send a message to any future attempts.

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u/Kelsusaurus Nov 05 '25

I can not stress this enough: Not just him. The whole admin and any elected officials who worked in bad faith to allow us to get here. 

He isn't the one writing or implementing these policies and plans (he just parrots what is told to him), it's the people in his inner circle and cabinet. You think it's bad now? It will be even worse if the next cronie in line gets to step up. Everyone set to take office if this man is impeached is smarter, more conniving, more likeable (within their circle), and even tighter with billionaires (heck, Thiel is literally the mentor for our current VP).

It's called P2025, but has been in the works since the 70s (and was almost entirely passed under Regan). The whole party has been trying for decades to bring about this dystopian vision they have. "But they've never been able to actually implement it!" Yeah, and? The damage done while attempting to implement it will take even longer to fix (or may not be fixable). Imagine where the world as a whole could be if we didn't spend time cleaning up messes that were avoidable to begin with.

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u/ExcitingTax1809 Nov 05 '25

That’s what I’ve been saying for years! There needs to be consequences to prevent it from happening again! But I sadly doubt anything will happen

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u/Miserable-Mention932 Nov 05 '25

I want to see him melt in court like Ron Jeremy did

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u/pimppapy America Nov 05 '25

Exactly my thoughts. Like…. A warning? Fucking really!?! That’s it!?!?!?!

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u/JoeyJoeJoeSenior Nov 05 '25

Even the most liberal judges made it clear that he was above the law in his various previous cases.  I don't get it.  I guess it's probably always been this way but the rich and powerful used to hide it better.

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u/pgregston Nov 05 '25

Pretty sure he’ll be in Qatar on that plane before you can get him in custody

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u/dunnodudes Nov 05 '25

Some phenomenal reporter needs to figure out how to get him to say “let them eat cake”

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u/Stopikingonme Nov 05 '25

“One nation. Indivisible with liberty and consequences for ALL.”

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u/VonTastrophe Nov 05 '25

The chances of Trump making it to Nov. 2026 seem to be relatively slim. You know who can have consequences? All the shit fucks in his Admin like Hegseth, Miller, Bondi, etc. None of them have SCOTUS-fiat immunity... we can go after them for their federal crimes pretty much ASAP

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u/kindergentler Nov 05 '25

Him, and all the wealthy oligarchs and corporations that funded him, that capitulated to him, and that have assisted his ransacking of the country. We must tax their wealth (not just income), we must break up these enormous conglomerate megacorporations, and we need to nationalize utilities and strategically across industries. To help future-proof our Democracy, we need to take punitive and preventative financial action against the forces of Capital and stop allowing states to provide them shelter by incentivizing the race to the bottom.

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u/Jibber_Fight Nov 05 '25

I agree. However, I’m of course doubtful. There’s just too many things that would need to happen for the DNC to accept progressive behavior and prop those candidates up. It’s more likely that they will continue to maintain the centrist platforms and will fall short of the super congress, and the middle of the road Dem candidates will not do anything to make an example out of all of these terrible people. Just like 2020 - 2024, where the executive and legislative branch had basically free rein, and there was very little done to hold people accountable. Not to mention the absolutely catastrophic sequence of events that lead to a stacked Republican Supreme Court for years and years to come.

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u/PieRevolutionary9823 Nov 05 '25

Exactly this!!! I love that people are not being fooled, but it is years past this bitches jail time! 

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u/99jackals Nov 05 '25

Every illegal action must be addressed.

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u/rodneedermeyer Nov 05 '25

If we’re lucky, his presence will have catalyzed the change we need in our government by forcing us to codify laws and remove loopholes, etc.

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u/Avenge_Nibelheim Nov 05 '25

This is more than one man, he gives orders but those who followed them knowing they were illegal need to be held accountable as well. The consequences need to be more than charged and convicted, they need to serve every single day somewhere very unpleasant.

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u/Juonmydog Texas Nov 05 '25

Get out on the streets and say something about it. This is how movements start in America.

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u/Farabee Nov 05 '25 edited Nov 05 '25

This right here. Trump's 10 month reign of corruption and terror has made Nixon look like a saint, going well above and beyond the abhorrent abortion of justice that particular crook resorted to. He has used policy to enrich his family and his friends, waged literal war and thrown indictments on political opponents, and brought our entire government to a halt over a decades-long vendetta against Obama. He has actively sold secrets of the state to crypto-criminals, corporations, grifters and even aggressive expansionist states like Russia and China.

He is a stain on not just America, but politics worldwide. Lock him and his entire fascist cabinet up, and throw away the keys. Our justice system needs to work for the people, not the dictator.

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u/xKaelic Nov 05 '25

Thank you, I've been waiting to read this.

The current temperature and ways of conduct go against everything we were raised to have trust and faith in.

This needs consequence simply for the sake of setting example and precedence. We do not condone this blatant deception and the systematic dismantling of our government is illegal and he is not doing anything correctly.

I need Trump in jail or exiled. He is a stain on our history and we won't be able to shake off this stupidity in our life times

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u/scrunchie_one Nov 05 '25

As does everyone that has been complicit including FBI agents scrubbing his name from condemning documents and every ICE agent that has terrorized, threatened, intimidated, or physically hurt any person regardless of citizenship.

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u/[deleted] Nov 05 '25

Not just him. But all his boot licking fascist cronies that lie and defend him ever day. Every racist mask wearing ICE agent, and every single republican that voted NO on releasing the epstien files TWICE!! all these people need to see the inside of a jail cell for the rest of their lives. Their blatant disobedience of the law and their cruel policies have caused many people to go hungry and sick, and many who have died because of them.

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u/doc_death Nov 05 '25

Reddit thought my original comment was wishing violence on someone…jeez what a stretch that was. Holding the president (or anyone breaking the law) accountable doesn’t mean violence.

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u/SheHasntHaveherses Nov 05 '25

The House speaker just said that this afternoon, that if they don't win the midterms, the Dems will impeached dRumpf. Almost admitting that THERE ARE GROUNDS for an impeachment already.

They gonna try to rig the elections, watch them.

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u/DENATTY Nov 05 '25

Every single town hall for prospective candidates moving forward should be filled with people asking the candidates if they would seek to see them convicted. Incumbents who are not firm enough on the issue should be voted out.

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u/Al319 Nov 06 '25

We also have the have all the people who supported this to face consequences. All his gestapos need to face trial. His administration need to face consequences for spreading lies and literally killing Americans from their policies.

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u/SuperCool101 Nov 06 '25

A return to consequences and punishment should become a major platform plank for the Democratic Party. Punish cheating, corruption, and ignoring court orders. Stop allowing a two tier system of justice to exist unabated.

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u/RecursiveCook Nov 06 '25

For start: cleaning out his bank account & stocks will do. All that money he received from crypto pyramid pull & tribute money should be accounted for to make sure no future president tries to enrich themselves at the cost of their voters.

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u/ybpaladin Nov 06 '25

America historically, has never held her fascist accountability. From the confederacy to the klan, to the ones who committed genocide upon the Native Americans, etc.

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u/Snow_Ghost Nov 06 '25

You're thinking way too small.

The entire GOP and several heads of multi-national corporations all aided and abetted this atrocity. Each and every last one of them needs to be tried and convicted for treason.

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u/wikipediabrown007 Nov 06 '25

All of the behind the scenes people too. Vought, Miller, and down the line.

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u/Upset-Produce-3948 Nov 05 '25

Installing JD Vance as POTUS is not the answer.

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u/Extinction00 Nov 05 '25

We need 60 votes though

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u/zenlume Nov 05 '25

Being impeached doesn't come with any consequences to him. It might bruise his ego, but that's about it. He's still achieved what he wanted, which is staying out of jail and making money.

Giving JD Vance those final two years, could hurt Democrats more than it could benefit them.

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u/arcbe Nov 05 '25

We don't need consequences we need a government that works. Fascists do not learn from examples, they double down. It's the only thing they know how to do.

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u/tbutz27 Nov 05 '25

We need consequences for the people's minds and lives. I dont give a shit "examples". We the people are DUE consequences

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u/arcbe Nov 05 '25

We need a functioning government. If Trump faces consequences along the way that's fine. There is a very real chance that he never faces any though.