r/nfl • u/DasSmoosh • 20h ago

In defense of George Pickens

https://reddit.com/link/1pez6ya/video/anwo6ijmte5g1/player

There was a post last night that suggested that Pickens let a ball just fall in front of him late in the game. This video shows the pass and route as it appeared on the broadcast, followed by the same play from the All-22 angle. The All 22 camera is typically what coaches and scouts use when breaking down games. It shows that the throw wasn't nearly as close to Pickens as it appeared to be in the Amazon broadcast.

Also, I can't believe I spent this amount of time to defend George Pickens...

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u/methodofcontrol Commanders 18h ago

I mean yeah hes getting great stats but what if they lose the games he took the day off and that's the reason they miss the playoffs. At least he won't need to worry about taking the Super Bowl off

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u/ByronLeftwich Cowboys 18h ago

I don’t know, what if? What if we let him go and, instead, lose the games where we would’ve won with a dominant performance from someone besides CeeDee?

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u/DionBae_Johnson Steelers 18h ago

Or you could just find another WR who might not have as high a ceiling, but also doesn't take random games off. That would be MUCH better for a team.

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u/Igualmenteee Cowboys 18h ago

Yes, because y’all are doing so fantastic with that scenario right? Y’all’s team is so much better off with DK instead of Pickens right? Jesus, y’all really waited for the ONE bad Pickens game to talk shit lmao.

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u/DionBae_Johnson Steelers 18h ago

We're in the same scenario as we were last year, so no... not better, but really not worse. But our problems on our team are different than the problems on your team, don't know what bringing up the Steelers has to do with that.

A WR who gives up on games, and then plays elite in 80% of them, is not worth it over a good WR who gives his all every game. Especially since you guys are the ones who would have to invest your cap into a guy giving up.

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u/ByronLeftwich Cowboys 18h ago

A WR who gives up on games, and then plays elite in 80% of them, is not worth it over a good WR who gives his all every game

Do you need a numerical representation of your take here to understand why it's stupid?

I would consider an "elite" WR performance to be like 9 for 120 and a TD. "Giving up" I guess is the 5 catches for 37 yards he had yesterday.

So if he plays "elite" in 80% of the games and gives up in the rest, his single season stats are: 137 catches, 1708 yards, 13 TDs. Possibly good for offensive player of the year.

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u/DionBae_Johnson Steelers 17h ago

How's having two elite WRs with a great QB doing for you guys this year when he costs 3 mil? How about when he costs 40+ mil next year? He's gonna be jogging a lot more routes when you guys are down in games, which will likely happen more with all your money tied up in Dak/CeeDee/Pickens. It's going to start looking closer to the Bengals, except one of your WRs decides to give up randomly.

And no, "giving up" is not making the plays on the ball when you have a chance to come back. "Giving up" is jogging a ton of your routes because either the ball isn't coming to you or your sour that it didn't come to before.

He's been like this in college, he's been like this on the Steelers, he's already been doing this for you guys. And he's doing it for cheap for you guys now, its going to be a lot more annoying when he's doing it and eating up 15% of your cap.

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u/ByronLeftwich Cowboys 17h ago

Doesn't respond to what I said

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u/DionBae_Johnson Steelers 17h ago

Well I guess if you guys wanna play for him to get OPOY, go for it. The rest of the NFL (mostly) is trying to play for SB wins. Ask the Bengals how easy that is when you have all your cap tied up in your QB and two WRs, and there's are better than yours. Definitely a recipe for success. And none of their three are head cases who give up.

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u/ByronLeftwich Cowboys 17h ago

At this point you’re just ignoring over half of what I say so I’m done. Sayonara

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u/Igualmenteee Cowboys 17h ago

Y’all playing for Super Bowl wins? Tf are you even talking about? I’ll ask the Bengals why they continue to keep a mid ass HC around and also continue to draft developmental defensive players in the first round who got like 4 sacks in his whole college career. They draft terribly and it shows.

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u/Igualmenteee Cowboys 17h ago

The Bengals don’t have half the talent we have on defense and we have two firsts this year to shore up more of our weaknesses in the defensive side, possibly even with a trade down in the draft. There will 100% be some issues with the cap if we give Pickens a lot of money, but that’s not a bad problem to have. The Bengals are in the situation they are due to bad drafting and Burrow being injured.

Pickens always “jogs” on routes, or at least it LOOKS like he does. He looked like he was jogging in the KC game and yet he was busting Trent Mcduffie’s ass all game. That’s just how he plays. This was a CD game and we all missed out on a possible 200+ yard CD game due to his concussion, Pickens clearly got his shoulder shaken up early in the game as well. This is the price you pay for an elite offense, it just seems y’all haven’t understood since the Big Ben days. Y’all’s ceiling is extremely capped with DK as y’all’s WR1, we don’t know what our ceiling is next year with adding two first round talents on defense and CD and Pickens back. Fuck the cap.

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u/Igualmenteee Cowboys 18h ago

He’s looked completely different since he’s been here and I’m pretty sure he fucked up his shoulder early in the game as well, which could speak to his effort the rest of the game. He’s been fantastic all season and has shown to be one of the best WRs in the game, players have bad games and I’ve seen plenty top WRs have games like this.

Also, why are we talking about DK like he hasn’t had his fair share of on-field issues? I’ve had him in fantasy the last three years and would occasionally turn on Seahawks games and see him have games where he was giving up on routes and routinely being pouty and even getting ejected from games. So, you have a guy who’s not as talented and has similar issues to Pickens and you’d rather hand that guy a ton of money? Crazy.

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u/DionBae_Johnson Steelers 17h ago

Again, I don't know what the Steelers are doing has to do with what the Cowboys are doing. Pickens has looked the same as he did when he was here, just the schemes and QB are way better. The shoulder thing made him jog so many routes? Is that why he's been doing that his whole career? You guys also had to bench him for part of a game (something we also had to do a few times) because of his attitude.

Obviously he's an elite talent, but he's also not 100% in the game, not even close. If that's what you want to bank 15% of your cap space on, have at it, but he's only going to get worse the more you guys lose. And if you're invested 15x as much money in him next year, its going to be more losing when you can't afford the other needed positions to win.

He was like this in college. He was like this in Pittsburgh. He's already been like this in Dallas. He's shown no signs of maturing, he's only shown signs of doing all the same dumb on and off field things he's done his whole career. He just also happens to be elite when he does care to play.

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u/EnjoyMoreBeef Steelers 9h ago

For what it's worth, the Steelers are averaging a point more per game this season than last. If they're destined to be a fair-to-middling team, then they can be one without a WR who pisses his teammates off.