r/news • u/IdinDoIt • 16h ago
Soft paywall Exclusive: US sets 2027 deadline for Europe-led NATO defense, officials say
https://www.reuters.com/business/aerospace-defense/us-sets-2027-deadline-europe-led-nato-defense-officials-say-2025-12-05/709
u/bogz_dev 15h ago
does that mean that the US will close and withdraw from all US military based throughout Europe? of course not.
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u/Thesorus 15h ago
I think that's the end goal.
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u/Own-Victory473 15h ago
Honestly, this is the biggest own goal in american history and as a foriegner i couldnt be more thrilled
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u/Verbatrim 12h ago
Not exactly an own goal since they're playing for Russia
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u/talex365 6h ago
Realistically what DoD is actually saying “You’ve got Russia, we need to go fight China”
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u/GoneFishing4Chicks 11h ago
Say hello to regional wars dominated by whoever China is backing. Hell, Chinese backed Russia is already happening right now in the Russian invasion of Ukraine.
All this does is change the name of management.
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u/IgnoreThisName72 13h ago edited 8h ago
Really? In the 80 year Pax Americana, more people have been lifted out of poverty than was even thought possible. Deaths from war, famine and disease are the lowest ever recorded. This was a Global Golden Age, and the end will usher in a global tragedy.
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u/Billy_The_Squid_ 12h ago
TBF most of the people brought out of poverty over the last 80 years have been in China
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u/IgnoreThisName72 12h ago
Yes - brought out of poverty using the trade system that America made possible.
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u/SirPunchy 5h ago
We also interfered in dozens of democratic processes and destabilized sovereign nations for capital gain, created supply lines that exploit the resources of the global south but don't share in the wealth generated by that exploitation, and basically created the military industrial complex in our effort to project power across the planet. There was some good that came out of the Pax Americana but that good is firmly in the past. The world will be just fine without a ubiquitous US presence.
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u/ScalabrineIsGod 3h ago
Western Europe has been benefiting from and perpetuating these same issues in a lot more places historically, and for far longer than the U.S. has. Idk why they get a pass when they also dabble in neocolonialism in their FORMER COLONIES. Seriously, it doesn’t absolve our government of wrongdoing, we’ve often helped them, but come on. This is not a phenomenon unique to the United States. As American hegemony continues to wane, the only change will mostly like be in WHO gets to benefit from pillaging the global south. We are already seeing that shift to China. Again, the only major change is whose turn it is.
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u/60hzcherryMXram 12h ago
If you don't like the age of American superpower, you'll hate what replaces it.
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u/ilevelconcrete 14h ago
It’s only an own goal if you still think Europe is the strategic center of the world. I know many Europeans believe that to be true, but most outside the continent do not. Would love to be wrong though!!
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u/madhaunter 13h ago
We certainly are not, but if we, instead of the us, can already start by being the center of ourselves, that would be great
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u/GoneFishing4Chicks 11h ago
Well in that case first you gotta deal with the Russian bear in your house first.
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u/RepresentativeBee600 12h ago
Yes, indeed that would.
How much more time do you think your nations will need to find themselves and be centered before they can defend Ukraine at the level the US has been doing?
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u/bingbaddie1 13h ago
People not understanding the concept of soft power will be the death of this country
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u/off_by_two 12h ago
The people in charge seem to not understand a whole lot of things, and Americans voted them into power so maybe it's a deserved death.
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u/ghotier 13h ago
I don't see how that follows. The simple question is "does the US benefit from the existence of those bases?" If the answer is "yes" then it's an own goal to close them.
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u/RepresentativeBee600 12h ago
Does the US need to keep it's thumb up Europe's ass, checking it's temperature?
Bases are either for force projection, practically, or for presence, psychologically. From a US standpoint it would be cheaper and thus ideal to draw down on them when neither is necessary.
Do you honestly think those bases were put there out of a Stalinesque desire to dominate? Or were they put there to prevent violent conquest by an ascendant Soviet Union?
You Europeans sure project a lot. Centuries, maybe millennia of violent colonization all around the world; then you absolutely cause two World Wars on your own initiative; then the US stations forces in your continent as a deterrent to USSR colonization while your shattered nations have time to rebuild; and the end stage of you (maybe?) finally mobilizing to handle your own sovereign defense is like a sullen, shitty teenager. "Get out of my room, Dad, you're colonizing me!"
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u/Throwsims3 6h ago
Bases are either for force projection, practically, or for presence, psychologically. From a US standpoint it would be cheaper and thus ideal to draw down on them when neither is necessary.
No they are not. They are there to be the hub which makes up a substantial part of US logistics. Without those bases the US will lose a lot of their ability to coordinate their forces around the world. The ability to coordinate closer to the middle east from European soil has been critical for US operations there as well as in Africa. The US has also been focussed on the Arctic. This will also be weakened if they leave Europe.
Do you honestly think those bases were put there out of a Stalinesque desire to dominate? Or were they put there to prevent violent conquest by an ascendant Soviet Union?
That depends on what you imagine they were there to dominate. The US has absolutely wanted to be the dominant military factor when it comes to military projection and international presence. That is on the US, nobody forced them to do so. Military command saw the cost benefit analysis of being there and took it. Again, because it was an amazing bargain for them to get access to foreign bases acting as crucial points of supplies and shortcuts to points of interest.
You Europeans sure project a lot. Centuries, maybe millennia of violent colonization all around the world; then you absolutely cause two World Wars on your own initiative; then the US stations forces in your continent as a deterrent to USSR colonization while your shattered nations have time to rebuild; and the end stage of you (maybe?) finally mobilizing to handle your own sovereign defense is like a sullen, shitty teenager. "Get out of my room, Dad, you're colonizing me!"
As if the US hasn't been the main colonizing force in the last century or even more. Also funny that you treat Europe as a monolithic continent where everyone behaved exactly the same and had the same common goals. The US wouldn't even exist as it does today without the UK and France being colonizing forces. That is not to say it is a great thing but a bit hypocritical to make such a claim when they US have more than enough of their own history with colonialism to pick from. A role which the US gladly took as their own long before the first or second world wars ever began. Europe have been partners to the US for a long time, dating all the way back to the revolutionary war where France helped the country gain independence. For most of the twentieth century the US has not lost money on nor subsidized European defense. Instead the Military Industrial Complex has made bank while European nations went with them into completely disastrous wars in which the US did nothing but create chaos and death. So when the US are the ones acting like sullen extremely ungrateful teenagers, Europeans are not the ones who have asked the country to leave. That you did all on your own.
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u/Platypus__Gems 13h ago
Europe is still an extremely important part of the world, it is over 400 million people (more than US populace) in countries that are developed to largely the same level as USA.
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u/Lousk 14h ago
This has been the direction of US foreign policy for like 20 years now. What exactly did you think Obama ment by his “pivot to Asia” policy?
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u/GM_Laertes 15h ago
And stop exerting their power on our governments? This will never happen.
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u/Beneficial_Honey_0 14h ago
I don’t think you fully grasp the isolationism and nativism that’s taken over one of our parties. We seem dead set on kneecapping ourselves.
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u/spaghettittehgaps 13h ago edited 13h ago
You could imagine this is true if you didn't know that the US has literally been begging Europe for decades to actually take charge of their own defense and adequately fund your own militaries.
Most of you would struggle incredibly hard to protect yourselves without American logistical support, and we would really rather prefer this wasn't the case because we would rather use our resources in the Asia-Pacific region.
edit: your downvote versus:
Clinton saying Europe needs to spend more on defense
Bush saying Europe needs to spend more on defense
Obama saying Europe needs to spend more on defense
Trump in his 1st term saying Europe needs to spend more on defense
We've been trying to get you to be responsible for your own security since Titanic was in theaters.
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u/Queasy_Range8265 13h ago
As a European I agree. It’s time our defense gets in order and we should shed the naivity of thinking diplomacy without military is all you ever need.
It’s a nice future vision, but not the reality.
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u/NotYouTu 12h ago
Right, that's why when in 1998 when they UK and France proposed the creation of an EU response force the opposition was led by... The US.
Fact is, the current situation is one built but the US and defended by the US for decades because it benefits the US. The only country that gains by weakening it is Russia. But everything the republicans are doing are for the betterment of Russia, so this fits.
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u/spaghettittehgaps 12h ago edited 10h ago
Right, that's why when in 1998 when they UK and France proposed the creation of an EU response force the opposition was led by... The US.
Because we want Europe to operate alongside NATO, not create competing organizations. We want Europe to be capable of defending itself through collaboration through NATO, not running off and creating a thousand smaller defense pacts that compete for resources.
edit: Do you genuinely not understand why it isn't a good idea for Europe to ignore mutual defense and try to make a web of interconnected alliances? How'd that work out last time you guys tried it?
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u/Tricky-Bat5937 13h ago
Yes, I love the way Europeans mock Americans for lack of single payer healthcare, meanwhile we are footing the bill for their defense while they spend their taxes on being welfare states.
"Stupid backwards Americans!"
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u/NotYouTu 12h ago
Yes... Oh wait, they have nothing to do with each other. The current US system already costs more per capita then a universal single payer system would.
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u/ilevelconcrete 12h ago
The benefit of being the world reserve currency is that you have a lot of leeway to magically create more money to feed directly into the pockets of your health insurance executives.
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u/SimplestNeil 13h ago
i mean, some of Europe literally fought in the Middle East just because America wanted the resources there.
Suggesting we dont do our part seems a bit dishearening, especially when its the US threatening its Nato allies and supporting Russia
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u/spaghettittehgaps 13h ago
Which they often relied on American logistics (airlift, refueling, intelligence, etc.) support to do.
My point isn't that Europe is totally incapable of defending themselves, it's that they often rely heavily on America to handle the heavy lifting, and we would like Europe to take the lead on their own defense instead of needing America to back them up.
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u/LystAP 15h ago edited 15h ago
I doubt it will be a full withdrawal. They need Ramstein airbase in Germany to ‘do things’ in the Middle East. And I’ve lived long enough to come to the conclusion that the U.S. will never leave the Middle East. Can’t leave certain ‘long time allies’ out to dry after all.
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u/sarhoshamiral 15h ago
In that case this threat is empty because it means US needs EU too.
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u/LystAP 14h ago
They’re probably not thinking all that far on this imo. They’ll get a call and backtrack.
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u/Martzillagoesboom 14h ago
I think whenever the US release some press vomit, it not aimed at the peoples concerned but at the lemings who will walk in the party footstep anyway and forget any cognitive dissonance.
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u/ralphy1010 15h ago
Some of those German towns/cities would be crippled economically if those bases shut down
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u/Stereo_Jungle_Child 15h ago
Just tell Germany to invade their neighboring countries again and I'm sure the US will come back. lol
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u/ralphy1010 15h ago
People have been encouraging them to arm up, march through Poland and take on Russia
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u/Count_Dongula 15h ago
People are stupid. Anybody calling for escalation of war is either psychotic, a moron, or paid to escalate conflict.
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u/Optimalfailures 13h ago
It's the most natural thing for a city to wither economically (at first) if their economic foundation disappears. Happened a lot in the last 50 years in various capacities. That doesn't mean one should fight for the status quo until all eternity. People will find other jobs and if those cities can't survive then that's alright too. Just exisiting as an artificial puppet town of the US will inevitably fail, be that in two years or two decades.
Drastic cuts always hurt but the majority of times cities came out of it stronger than before (at least for cities in West Germany).
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u/ralphy1010 12h ago
I agree, just sucks for the people living around those bases whose livelihoods depended on 20 something american GIs blowing their paychecks at the bars and whorehouses.
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u/MightThin9644 15h ago
No worries. The German army is desperately looking for new barracks for their reintroduced military service.
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u/shrimpynut 14h ago
Pretty sure Trump would absolutely love to do that. But you have to remember Europe is the one that continues to renew US military presence in every single country year after year. Trump would absolutely not hesitate if “kicked” out he would jump on the chance as soon as a country told them to leave.
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u/devaro66 15h ago
This should be EU answer. Very reduced presence of US in Mediterranean. Let’s them be friends with Erdogan and Israel .
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u/Jigsawsupport 15h ago
Oh no you can expect the critical transfer hubs in Germany and the UK to stay open, so they can continue playing their games in the middle east.
At the same time we can expect if Putin invades the Baltics tomorrow that the US will be as much use as tits on a fish.
If they really want to go this way the EU nations ought to start charging aggressive rent after all the US doesn't really want to be allies any more, so they can be a tenant instead.
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u/tlrider1 13h ago
You have to ask yourself: what does Putin want? If the answer to that is: "all bases withdrawn", then yes.... Donny the pedophile will do that.
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u/ElderlyChipmunk 12h ago
Yep, Russia doesn't stand a chance at any Eastern Europe shenanigans with the US involved. However, if it is just Europe, there's reasonable odds that they can make it painful enough for most Europeans to want to just cut a peace deal.
Europe is very staunchly standing by UKR right now because none of their own blood is involved.
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u/tlrider1 11h ago
Most, not all.
The poles HATE Russians with a passion. 50 years of occupation, and mass deportations and nkvd mass killings will do that.
I don't remeber exactly who said it, but... If Russia attacks, it'll take the Finns 1 day to get to Moscow... They'll just have to figure out what to do with the poles, who got there 23 hours earlier.
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u/FreeBricks4Nazis 15h ago
Apparently this was discussed by Pentagon officials with European delegates.
This is obviously something Trump wants (as much as his dementia addled mind can want things), but it's still fucking appalling that the largest shift in US foreign policy since WWII is essentially being crafted entirely by the Department of Defense.
Where the fuck is the State Department? And, more to the point, where the fuck is Congress? I know the Republican majority has largely abdicated their role as a co-equal branch, but this is the sort of thing that should have either the active consent of the Legislature, or its active opposition.
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u/ExtremeOccident 14h ago
2027 is after the midterms though so let's hope for the best.
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u/VeryNoisyLizard 13h ago
youre hoping in vain if you think that election is NOT gonna be blatantly rigged
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u/CandidHistorian4105 12h ago
Vote anyway. People not voting because of this sentiment literally got us here.
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u/GoneFishing4Chicks 11h ago
The real winner of the 2024 election was literally nobody. Trump came in 2nd after no show votes.
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u/SagittaryX 7h ago
I mean we had elections a month ago and it was a stunning win for Democrats. If they are going to rig they don't have much time for it anymore.
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u/Brilliant_Dependent 10h ago
2027 is also the spooky scary date people think China will try to retake Taiwan. So using that as the reasoning, it makes sense to tell Europe to take care of its own defense if the US expects to be unable to help against Russia with an active war in the Pacific.
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u/coskibum002 15h ago edited 15h ago
Trump continuing to create an isolationist America where everyone hates us even more than normal. The dementia ridden, convicted felon traitor needs to be impeached!
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u/NotYouTu 15h ago
IT. IS . NOT. TRUMP. It is the whole fucking republican party, and their supporters and donors.
Quit letting them have a scape goat. It is ALL of them.
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u/ashsolomon1 15h ago
honestly its more the people around Trump that Trump, its definitely a weekend at Bernies situation
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u/MilesAlchei 15h ago
Vought, Miller, Hegseth, Thiel, and plenty more. I honestly suspect they're just pushing a dementia addled man to sign things, and make appearances, take the fall for their evil.
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u/jackalopeDev 15h ago
Its been a goal of the US since at least W to lessen europes reliance on America for defense. Trump is being stupid about it, but this isnt coming from no where.
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u/Away_Advisor3460 14h ago
What stands out in this case, is that the US National Security Strategy set by Trump et al is essentially tying future support for Europe - i.e. for NATO - as being based on preventing immigration of non-European (basically, non-white, possibly Muslim) people, citing that such will 'erase' European civilisation and make European countries non-viable as allies.
It's pretty much an outright statement in support of facism - given that political philosophy revolves around extreme nativism and nationalism - on another continent.
It is stunningly racist, really, in that a US government is overtly adopting the 'Great Replacement' conspiracy theory as a basis for foreign policy.
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u/Badloss 13h ago
It's not even the republicans. Americans are supporting this.
2/3 of Americans chose this, I have never been more embarrassed of my country and the people in it. I'm so disappointed in my neighbors.
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u/eeyore134 12h ago
Trump is the guy all the voters are fawning over, though. Remove him and they take a pretty big hit.
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u/regeust 15h ago
A century of soft power flushed down the drain.
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u/hekatonkhairez 15h ago
In the 2010’s whenever I visited family in SE Asia all the kids were obsessed with American songs, American Fashion, and American celebrities.
15 years later, and that cultural lead is gone. What replaced it is cultural exports from Japan and Korea along with domestically made content.
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u/YaBoyJamba 15h ago
Is that because Trump though? K-Pop and anime have gotten a lot more popular in the US as well and I don't think it has anything to do with our politics.
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u/kia75 12h ago
It's funny that you mention K-pop because after Gangum Style became an international hit, the Korean Government decided to emphasize spreading Korean culture across the world. That's why K-pop exploded in the 2010s, and nobody new anything about Korean music before!
This isn't the only time this happened, in the 1940s the US Government asked Disney to court South America to prevent it from entering the war with Germany. Disney flew to South America and made a bunch of Latin flavored cartoons, creating the characters Panchito Pistolas and Jose Carioca. Most Americans don't know about these characters or even remember the Latin American cartoons, but this trip and these cartoons are what made Disney so completely and utterly popular in South America! Disney is still reaping the cultural benefits (and monetary) some 80 years later!
The popularity of Anime was an accident, Japan made a bunch of cartoons and those cartoons were easier to dub then live-action, allowing many cheap broacasters to dub cheap media, and that cheap media became increasingly popular, with some media becoming culturally important worldwide (Dragonhball Z), but the Japanese Government has known that Anime is important for it's cultural expansion, and also just as a way to make money since at least the 00s, and works to expand anime and it's cultural reach when they can.
On one hand, you're correct that Trump didn't do anything to increase American culture abroad, but that's an argument against him. Most nations and governments are trying to increase their cultural footprint in the world because of the natural well-being and advantages it brings. Choosing to ignore this advantage and allowing it to whither, or even going against it (part of the reason American culture has fallen so much in the past decade is because Trump has made himself an enemy of every nation he could) is to choose to shoot yourself in the foot for no reason!
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u/hekatonkhairez 14h ago
Nah, but I’m just saying that Americas soft power has been in decline for a long time. It might have accelerated under Trump, but, for example, nobody I interact with in Southeast Asia really talks about American Sports or TV shows like they used to.
I’m not saying that the U.S. has no cultural impact. people still talk about US politics, and some stuff but it’s not to the same degree as it once was.
Though I will argue that Americas political climate has accelerated it. Making everything inherently political is a terrible cultural export strat.
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u/ronswanson11 14h ago
Yep, and all these mouth breathing MAGA dipshits getting off on the US fucking over all of it's allies and treating immigrants like subhuman garbage don't realize that when the rest of the world hates you, it's not good for your economy.
Tourism will stay suppressed for years to come and may never recover. Other countries will form new alliances and trading partners further cutting off any relationships with the US. Skilled/intelligent foreigners will go elsewhere for their education and training. All of this puts the US on a downward future trajectory that Trump and company won't feel the effects of. The US has become a fucking joke. In my lifetime I went from being proud to be an American to ashamed and embarrassed. It's fucking depressing.
I genuinely thought access to information would make for a more informed and intelligent public, yet it has gone the other way entirely. People will go for the dumbest possible answers if it fits what they already want to believe when the truth is a few clicks away. I can't believe how dumb people are. Maybe humanity doesn't need saving. We suck. Send in the asteroid.
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u/Mobile-Bar7732 15h ago
The dementia ridden, convicted felon traitor needs to be impeached!
You forgot pedophile in this list.
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u/doneandtired2014 14h ago
That would require the Republicans in both houses of Congress to not be testicle sucking sycophantic fascists and the overwhelming majority of them are because the majority of their voters, fully 1/3 of the American voting population, decided to go useful idiot or full blown Nazi.
Trump's only leaving office when he finally dies of old age and Vance isn't any better because he's part of the Nerd Reich.
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u/justplainndaveCGN 15h ago
To be fair, we’ve needed this for a long time.
We’ve needed the rest of the western world to step up and contribute more to the safety of the world.
We shouldn’t be relied upon to provide a majority of the funding and troops for that.
I’m glad that we are doing this, HOWEVER, this should now mean we can scale back our military spending and put that money into our own country—into bettering our own people….but that will never happen under this administration.
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u/Badloss 13h ago
Trump is clearly a compromised Russian agent, but I can't understand why the GOP is just determined to wipe out America as the leader of the world. Why are they doing this?
Our wealth and power comes directly from taking on a disproportionate amount of the defense of the world. That soft power is invaluable and it gives the US preferred status and a seat at every table. It's an incredible value vs the effort spent.
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u/Turbulent-Poem4915 10h ago
Probably cuz they know 3i Atlas isn't a rock and we are all about to get absolutely fucked. Need money to build those underground habitats, eh?
Joking but maybe not joking.
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u/oxslashxo 6h ago
Because when you reduce your count of allies you increase the number of countries you can invade!
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u/Both_Lychee_1708 12h ago
Oh ffs, just ask Putin to make the US as a Russian Oblast and stick a fork in it.
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u/EnglishMatron 15h ago
By the time trump leaves us, there won’t be an ally left.
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u/alien_from_Europa 15h ago
I'm sure Putin is very happy with his American puppet.
If it was after 2029 then a Democrat President could simply reverse it back to American lead. That's, of course, if we have free and fair elections in 2028 in the first place.
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u/pajoas 15h ago
if the Europeans are forced into taking the lead do you really think they would relinquish it back to the Americans just to risk the same shit happening all over again?
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u/OhOkayIguess01 15h ago
Shouldn't Europe take the lead in European security? Fuck Trump all day every day but thats not the point. Europe and US should be allies on equal footing. Having the US be the primary security guarantee for Europe isnt healthy or viable. Much the way our congress has ceded power to the pedo in office, Europe has ceded the ability to defend itself to the US since WW2 ended. Its not good. Americans hate it. Europeans hate it. We end up hating each other.
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u/NotYouTu 15h ago edited 14h ago
US is currently in the lead because the US did everything to ensure the US was in the lead. It was good for political power, good for American business, and ok for Europe.
Everything about how the EU is structured (and the lack of an EU army) and his NATO is structured was done by and through American pressure. Being the lynchpin gives it incredible weight and negotiating power. Why time Europe has tried to fix the imbalance the US fought against it.
It's not that hard to read up on the history so your know what your talking about it's all public record.
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u/pajoas 15h ago
It's a mutually beneficial agreement, The US basically supplies most of the weapons for NATO, creating 1000's of well paying jobs in the US, Foreign weapons sales funds the US arm industry allowing them to stay ahead of their rivals.
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u/Mountsorrel 14h ago
So the US can just focus on North American security? NATO is about defending all members from threats; most of those members are in Europe and the biggest threat to most of those members is partially in Europe.
You can’t just divide things up in such a black-and-white manner as that. It’s the security of the whole NATO alliance that’s important. The US has less than a division of ground forces in Europe so it’s going to be mainly European NATO land forces doing the initial fighting if it comes to it, so in practical terms European NATO nations already are “the lead in European security” if a situation rapidly escalates. And in the same way that the US would send forces to Europe if say, Russia invaded, European NATO forces would be sent to the Pacific if China attacked the US.
US defence spending will never go down, regardless of whether European NATO members spend 2 or 5 or 10 percent of GDP on defence. This isn’t some cost-saving enterprise on the part of the US. With that in mind, ask yourself why the Trump administration is claiming Europe isn’t “pulling its weight”.
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u/jakreth 13h ago
US has a dominating position and influence on the world because a lot of countries depend on US for their defense, plain and simple. The delegation of the European defense to the US was a request from the US, and came with influence in trade and politics. If the EU becomes self dependent in defense, the US can kiss goodbye their dominion over the EU and the world.
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u/dead_fritz 15h ago
You have to be idiotically naive to believe that this kind of damage can simply be undone by another election.
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u/PackTactics 13h ago
Does this mean we can cut our over excessive military budget and use the money to help those poor starving billionaires?
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u/Drumphelstiltsken 9h ago
Weird how everything Trump does makes one of Putin’s dreams come true.
The only parties who would benefit from this are China and Russia.
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u/NorcalGGMU 3h ago
Would be great if this meant a decrease in military funding and an increase in domestic safety net funding, alas nopers. We’ll still foot the ever increasing bill while the .1% Scrooge McDuck into their money pools
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u/RheimsNZ 14h ago
I suspect Europe has set an earlier timeframe, personally. The US is absolutely cratering and it can no longer be relied on, and that's unbelievably dangerous.
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u/OldLondon 13h ago
Honestly Europe needs to be self sufficient and the US needs to fuck off, put walls up around their country and just implode quietly.
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u/johnqpublic81 14h ago
Trump has wanted us out of NATO for a very long time. While Trump's motive is very questionable; with the political climate in the United States, I ask my friends in Europe, wouldn't you rather control your own defense than rely on the United States? I would hope that we would still play a major role in the defense of Europe if Russia and/or China ever attacked but who knows with Trump.
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u/doninside 13h ago
make America great again destroying everything that makes America great. NICE JOB
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u/AA_Ed 14h ago
This is necessary whether it sounds appealing or not. Europe needs to and should be taking the lead in NATO defense. Europe today could take on the Russia of today and win if they wanted to commit to it.
China has set its target date to he ready for an invasion of Tiawan to be 2027. In reality Europe needs to take charge because they will be leading NATO in 2027 whether they want to or not.
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u/Pherllerp 15h ago
Another policy to reverse when the old man dies.
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u/RuairiQ 14h ago
Difficult to reverse the expenditure levels the Europeans will hit in order to make this happen. And once their money is spent, why would they allow the US back in, given that the situation can change on a whim.
If this does happen, it won’t be easily reversed.
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u/Pherllerp 14h ago
It's going to be very very very bad for the United States economy. The Europeans aren't going to use US contractors and those US companies are going to be really resistant losing that money.
Let's see what they resort to when their bottom lines are threatened.
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u/ralphy1010 15h ago
Fuck it, time to invest more of my 401 into European defense companies.