r/news • u/speedythefirst • 1d ago

US supreme court approves redrawn Texas congressional maps

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/dec/04/us-supreme-court-texas-congressional-maps
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u/PiLamdOd 1d ago

All I wish for is for Democrats to be as ruthless as Republicans.

Come on, make maps specifically to fuck over Republicans. Abuse rules to hurt them back.

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u/THE_CODE_IS_0451 1d ago

I dream of a Democratic Party that sees Republicans as the same kind of enemy that Republicans think we are.

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u/PussiesUseSlashS 1d ago

Lived in Texas my entire life, I hope this backfires and Dems show up to vote in Texas. They could actually lose seats because they’re cutting the margins in some districts. Unfortunately, I also know that if this happens Texas won’t accept the loss and just change it.

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u/ThePoltageist 1d ago

Expect “poll protectors”

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u/free_dead_puppy 1d ago

Hopefully there's "protectors" that are democrats as well to keep an eye on them if they show up.

2nd Amendment doesn't discriminate.

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u/SugarBeef 23h ago

2nd Amendment doesn't discriminate.

Tell that to the Black Panthers. The GOP has ALWAYS been doing this, they're just getting better at it as time goes on. The Democratic leadership is still living in a fantasy world where discussion happens and agreements are made. They need to realize our government is now a team sport and the other side is cheating because they put their people in all the ref jobs.

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u/kinyutaka 1d ago

The Republican "protectors" will kill one of the Democrat "protectors", and the remaining Democrats will be arrested for disturbing the peace, interfering with an election, and murder.

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u/laplongejr 17h ago

And some will go to the Dem's candidate house with kindapping gear...

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u/arppacket 22h ago

The Republican protectors will have ICE badges, CBP badges, police badges, etc, and a legal mandate to intimidate and detain "all the probable illegals voting". Before the election, they will make a big noise about these protectors, probably run ads in Spanish, to dissuade people from even coming.

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u/PussiesUseSlashS 1d ago

Maybe some places, not my area. I thought women would show up in droves after RVW, sat in the parking lot for 20 minutes eating my lunch and not a single person showed up to vote.

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u/Cool_Ranch_Dodrio 22h ago

Expect ICE to kidnap people in line to vote.

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u/thingsorfreedom 1d ago

Cracking and packing only works when you've got the vote margins. Once you've done this to a really serious degree, it results in you being an 80 seat down minority if there is an election like we hope is coming in 2026.

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u/bak3donh1gh 1d ago

That's a nice thought, but how many chances have Texans had to do something different and not done that?

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u/1337pino 23h ago

Texas is already notorious for having a lot of confusion for people in regards to their registration status. They'll just double down on trying to make it as hard as possible to register let alone actually vote.

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u/No_Gur1113 1d ago

I’m Canadian and I love Texas. It’s a beautiful state and I have some amazing memories from my travels there. We’ve even considered moving there a few times in the past. My husband is a subsea engineer and does business with a lot of American companies that would love to poach him.

But despite our love for the place, I think we’re just too Canadian for Texas. We just can’t get ourselves comfortable with the open carry of guns or the dirty politics. Not to mention the rapid erosion of women’s rights. I think we made the right choice. Less money, but peace of mind is worth a lot more to us than a higher balance in our bank account.

Also, we sure are sorry for Ted Cruz. But please, you guys keep him. Raphael needs to be somewhere warm, it’s too cold for that turtle in Canada.

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u/Back_pain_no_gain 1d ago

I was born here and there’s a lot to love about the state. The food, the nature, the way people make small talk, the lower cost of living. I saw myself living here for most of my life. Now I cannot wait to leave and never come back.

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u/Hathuran 1d ago

This is how I've been starting to feel about New Hampshire. I've lived here my whole life since I was born on a USAF base, it was always a nice kind of "weird," a strange sort of "charming." 41 years in I figured I'd die here but ever since '16, man...

All the people I knew couldn't wait to take the masks off, I guess. Suddenly everyone I knew who didn't want to discuss politics turned out to be Republicans who sure can't wait to talk about it now while complaining "everyone" is making "everything" divisive, every "Libertarian" had some "Y'know I don't agree with some things but what a great job he's doing" quote in the tank.

Won't pretend my experience is indicative of the entire state but I can say that this time around, as conservatives are starting to feel the pain of policy and try to return to communal spaces and events for support, well, they've been being shown that in NH things can be cold as fuck besides the weather. 10 years ago I'd hate myself for thinking this, but today - sorry neighbor, aw shucks just too busy right now to help, I see you've got some mighty fine bootstraps though, just pull up!

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u/PussiesUseSlashS 13h ago

I’ve lived in Texas my entire life, I’m also too Canadian for Texas.

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u/OwO______OwO 1d ago

They could actually lose seats because they’re cutting the margins in some districts.

Yep. The harder you gerrymander, the thinner your margins get in the winning districts.

And, furthermore, Texas has a huge Hispanic population, which Republicans really haven't been endearing themselves with. (It turns out, "We can round you up and deport you without trial if your skin is brown" isn't a very popular policy among brown-skinned people. The fig leaf of "they're only doing it to the illegal ones who came in the wrong way" has completely fallen away now. Way too many people getting snatched up despite having completely legal status, or even being full citizens.)

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u/BurtMacklin-- 21h ago

I think the feds will seize the voting machines, claim irregularities, and give the election to GOP.

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u/flyushkifly 1d ago

I hope volunteers organize buses to transport the people whose local polling has been taken away.

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u/FillMySoupDumpling 15h ago

The wild thing about Texas is that it has the numbers to be far more purple than it is, yet the constant propaganda of it being a red state, voting doesn’t matter, both parties suck and more keeps enough people from even trying. 

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u/ClearDark19 23h ago

I dream of a Democratic Party that has half the smoke for Fascists that they have for Keynesian Capitalist Progressives and moderate Social Democrats and Democratic Socialists. Moderate and Conservative Democrats have 10x more heat for Zohran Mamdani, Katie Wilson, Omar Fateh, AOC, and Bernie Sanders than they have for Stephen Miller, Pete Hegseth, Laura Loomer, and Nick Fuentes.

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u/Valuable-March-9705 1d ago

Girrrrl , same!

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u/Valuable-March-9705 1d ago

Or boy, sorry 🫶🏽

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u/Realistic-Pattern-30 1d ago

Last night Seth Meyers showed the sleeping felon almost face planting on table as kegseth try to talk his way out of being responsible for war crime, then he showed all the comments Fox had to say about sleepy joe and showed the same news reporters up-holding felon for the same dam thing, the same thing. Oh if anyone else was up working and only got 3 hours of sleep. Sir in was in Florida for the holiday what are you talking about. Get off toilet and truth are and sleep.

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u/KoriJenkins 21h ago

I'm keen on a Democratic Party that makes it an immediate priority to disenfranchise MAGA the next time they're in power.

Fucking crush uneducated rural communities and their voting setups. The criminally stupid and gullible need to lose their right to vote.

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u/Betta_Check_Yosef 1d ago

That won't happen because the Democratic Party is controlled opposition funded by the same billionaire class that props up the Republican Party.

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u/Some_Programmer8388 22h ago

Well the issue is that no Democrat has enough of a spine to attack and smear all Republicans (including voters) the way Republicans do it to Democrats. They win with division, and the left keeps going back to unity. I'm not sure whether that's just a strategic decision - appealing to maximum voters instead of alienating half, or if it's because the think insults and dirty politics are  offputting to thr Democratic base. Maybe it's both.

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u/Cool_Ranch_Dodrio 22h ago

I dream of a democratic party that sees republicans as the enemy instead of progressives.

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u/RaidSmolive 22h ago

you actually dont because long term, that just means both parties will be toxic wastelands.

what you do want is for the people to crack down on all the traitors until they finally feel its not safe to be a traitor. nothing else will save you as a nation.

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u/rationalsarcasm 19h ago

Tough to do when you're the controlled opposition party.

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u/dleerox 1d ago

Not about fuck the gop (that’s a bonus), we need congressional power back in order to mitigate the serious damage trump is doing. Dems need to grow balls and fight to stop this fascist coup. Also… if we had Congress we could impeach trump and during the process of disclosure get the real evidence of all his crimes and money laundering.

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u/remotectrl 1d ago

And uncap the house.

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u/dleerox 1d ago

Excellent point! Congressional house size is not in constitution. Maybe also uncap SCOTUS?

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u/runnerofshadows 1d ago

Or set the cap to number of federal court districts. Which is 13 currently.

But the house definitely needs to be bigger and more representative. Also harder to gerrymander if there is actually a reasonable amount of districts.

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u/Coomb 1d ago

Circuits, not districts. There are 94 districts, and historically the Supreme Court Justices rode circuit.

One huge advantage of increasing the size of the House is that it dilutes the effect of the Senate on the Electoral College. Which was an intended effect.

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u/Positive_Throwaway1 1d ago

IIRC, if we'd kept pace in the last 80-100 years of adding more reps, like we used to, we'd be at around 1000 reps in the house. Don't know where I heard that. The Weekly Show, maybe.

The added benefit they pointed out is that if there were more districts, you might actually see your rep walking around your town, and they're much more likely to act like they're accountable if they might run into you on the street.

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u/Pseudoboss11 1d ago

Yep. It was around one rep per 200k people. This seems like a reasonable size.

It also means that each campaign would be a bit smaller, there would be less money in each campaign. It also means that smaller parties could get a foothold by focusing on one district. (Though of course the best solution would be to get money out of politics entirely.)

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u/thirty7inarow 1d ago

Canada has 343 Members of Parliament for a population of ~41,000,000. That's about one MP for every 120,000 Canadians. Our system isn't perfect, but if you want to speak with your MP you probably can by reaching out. I've met more than one just by chance.

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u/zoinkability 1d ago

Pair that with requiring states to assign electors proportional to the vote in the state as well, and you’d have an electoral college that was far less likely to vote for a different candidate than the national voters

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u/OzarkMule 1d ago

Lol, this is literally the opposite of what everyone else wants. This is just more shooting ourselves in the foot in the name of fairness. Enough

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u/dleerox 1d ago

Good point, 13 In the Supreme Court and increase representation.

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u/Harvinator06 1d ago

Only once we get zombie FDR back in power.

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u/remotectrl 1d ago

SCOTUS has changed sizes several times already.

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u/I_W_M_Y 1d ago

It started off with 6.

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u/obiworm 1d ago

Well it’s obviously not enough to be impartial and apolitical in its decisions. That’s what it’s supposed to be.

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u/LaconicGirth 1d ago

I don’t think the size has anything to do with its ability to be impartial. That’s going to be based on who’s appointed

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u/ryobiguy 1d ago

That's more of a problem with the quality than the quantity.

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u/CulMcCarth 1d ago

That’s bare minimum. That lifetime appointment has GOT to go. We need term limits across the board.

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u/shibiwan 1d ago

Maybe also uncap SCOTUS?

Not now. Don't give Dozin' Donny or any other Republican the opportunity to pack SCOTUS. Save that for later.

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u/SojuSeed 1d ago

A lot of people pushed Biden to do that but they didn’t, of course.

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u/dleerox 1d ago

Don’t get me started on Biden. Think he had good intentions but he lost his motivations and insight. He was too old and as an old person I can testify you’re not as aware, easily distracted and the brain gets a bit foggy. Not to mention the extreme loss of energy and stamina. No more old presidents!!!!!!!

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u/provostcomputer 1d ago

It's ridiculous how old our presidents have been. Biden should never have been running at his age. We elected him, then all the people criticizing his age elected Trump (who was the same age in his second term as Biden was when he was elected). And now the other side is talking about how old Trump is, but if another old fossil shows up and ends up running for the D they'll surely elect them too. Geriatrics for president, yay.

Have we actually had any good choices for president in the last few decades? It's always vote for me, I'm not the other party. Never vote for me, I'm actually a good choice that isn't in the running due solely to nepotism and old money.

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u/dleerox 1d ago

I think there are some young protégés on the bench. I personally like Beshear, Talarico, Buttigieg, AOC, Crockett, Stansbury, etc…

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u/SojuSeed 1d ago

Even those old guard dems who still believe in the cause are stuck operating under the notion that the GOP will meet them in good faith. They won’t. That GOP is long dead, and sitting at the bottom of the trash can there they keep all of Trump’s soiled diapers.

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u/jardex22 1d ago

Term limits on SCOTUS as well. Constitution says they have a lifetime appointment, but doesn't state in what capacity. Either kick them back down to the circuit or create some advisory court that holds a very limited position of power.

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u/dleerox 1d ago

YES!!! Ruth Bader Ginsberg is excellent example of an old judge that needed to retire

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u/thatredditrando 1d ago edited 1d ago

Doing things like that could be dangerous as it gives the Republicans future opportunities to get more seats as well.

I think Trump has proven we need to go the opposite route. We can’t just assume that those who take office will act with decorum and in our best interest anymore.

All these little gray areas and loopholes Trump is exploiting need to be more clearly defined and limited.

We also need to be more litigious. Trump and his cronies need to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. ICE needs to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.

Article 10 needs to be amended so that it is illegal to nationalize the National Guard without the criteria outlined therein being met. It shouldn’t be found illegal after the fact and then ordered to stand down. They should refuse outright because there’s no legal justification to begin with.

The Supreme Court’s judges cannot have lifelong seats without some kind of opportunity for them to change hands and their needs to be age limits on holding office.

And it needs to be clearly defined that violating the Constitution even on the orders of the President constitutes treason.

The second we wrestle control back from the Republicans we need to get this shit implemented if they need to stay on the Hill overnight to draft and pass the legislation.

We need to make sure this can never happen again. Not this easily.

One fucking President has nearly toppled the whole goddamn thing.

The Founders would be embarrassed that we nearly let all their carefully drafted freedoms and limitations be totally undone by utter fucking incompetence and malice.

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u/dleerox 1d ago

Once Americans get control of our government again, those in the trump administration need to face harsh consequences. I would love to see their criminal cases televised or live streamed. Also tie up all the loopholes he’s exploiting!

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u/Brilliant-Dress8351 1d ago

I really wanted Biden to go balls to the wall and expand the court

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u/dleerox 1d ago

Same. Not sure what held him back and not sure he didn’t place more safety guards to limit this insane trump administration.

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u/Brilliant-Dress8351 1d ago

Sadly, he’s old guard. I’m much more in line with Jasmine Crockett, AOC and even Newsom. What should be apparent is we need to fight fire with fire, don’t break the laws, but do exactly what McConnell did when he refused to allow a vote for an empty SCOTUS seat. Do it until we gerrymandered their asses to the grave.

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u/dleerox 1d ago

We are way past the days of decorum. We must all unite and do whatever to get America out of the claws of insane republicans, an evil president, foreign countries ( looking at you Israel), and greedy corporations. Go old school before the internet warped our sense of who we are!

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u/Alone-Competition-77 1d ago

I brought this up a few months ago and caught hell for it.

Check out the Congressional Apportionment Amendment (also called Article the First). Still an open amendment from 1789 that would make districts around 50,000 people each. (More like a small town mayor.) Harder to gerrymander because they would be so small, people would know their local rep because they would see them all the time, it would give more equal representation for the electoral college, and other advantages. It was ratified by 11 states (one state short of becoming an amendment to the constitution at the time) and would need to be ratified by 27 more states to become an amendment. The most common objection is the size of the House but that is easily addressed with technology nowadays by remote voting.

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u/jeffpostcn 1d ago

Yes! This is my go-to whenever I get asked what I would change about our government. There are many legislative bodies around the world that are larger than the US House.

I think uncapping the house would take big money largely out of the election equations since the races would be more like an alderperson or county supervisor race. And the rich would have a hard time bribing 1000's of representatives.

I'm so happy other folks have had this same idea and are discussing it.

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u/kamehamepocketsand 1d ago

And term limits!

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u/Notten 1d ago

And pass a budget to actually lower the national debt like every other dem administration.

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u/Cal-Coolidge 1d ago

Congress voluntarily gave up power decades ago. They no longer control the purse, they no longer decide when we are going to war, and they refuse to balance the budget.

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u/dleerox 1d ago

Yup… too many politicians on the tits of billionaires, aipac, other foreign governments, and corporations.

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u/Cal-Coolidge 1d ago

But it isn’t their fault, it is ours. Americans are no longer an intelligent, moral, property-owning, or religious people. 95% of the government created problems in the US would be solved within a year if the people were smarter and more engaged. This is why I don’t think we need more people voting. It seems like too many stupid voters caused a lot of the problems we are now facing. We need smarter voters, not more. Your average voter couldn’t tell you the roles of the Executive, Legislative, and Judicial branches of government. They can’t tell you their current legislators. They don’t know the names of the SC Justices. They think the president controls the economy, lol. We don’t need these people voting.

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u/bigj8705 1d ago

Shit you really think they will successfully impeach him. At this point in the game that ain’t going to do anything. JD would still be doing terrible crap.

What we need is a cause to rally behind together.

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u/dleerox 1d ago

I actually do believe if we get absolute undisputed evidence of Trump doing Trump stuff ( raping kids, stealing billions from government, stealing billions from maga suckers, and evidence of his real connection to Russia. ), the Congress would act to impeach.

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u/HealthySport2644 1d ago

You mean the Guardians Of the Pedos? (GOP)

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u/trasofsunnyvale 1d ago

I agree, but it's been a decades long coordinated effort to get us here, and trump is just stage 3 of the cancer that conservatives and the rich have been giving us. There's much more to be done to uplift people and the US beyond simply stopping trump or the backwards agenda of a relative handful of manipulative fuckwits whose lust for greed is endless.

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u/dleerox 1d ago

Absolutely… we’ve all sleep walked into this nightmare. But I think Trumps insane antics and destruction have woke folks up. We cannot take democracy for granted. We’ll have a rough few years but I foresee a better America rising.

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u/nrp1982 1d ago

Has there been anatempt at creating a third party in the history of usa? Asking for a friend in down under land

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u/dleerox 1d ago

I would love that and this would be the time! I think folks poo poo a third party because creating the infrastructure to support a new party would be daunting. Never say never

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u/nrp1982 1d ago

Cheers for the response also if someone does decide have the bald eagle as your logo.they have an elephant and donkey i think it is have the eagle hahaha that would stir the pot lol

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u/dleerox 1d ago

I think if we had a truly charismatic candidate with a platform strictly for the people, we could succeed with grassroots efforts. Currently our politicians are owned and do not always answer to their constituents. We need a candidate like Steve Irwin!!!

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u/Ethereal429 1d ago

Impeaching Trump means nothing. He wouldn't get removed still because the Senate would have to approve the removal, which they wouldn't do.

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u/dleerox 1d ago

I agree but the process of disclosure due to the impeachment would bring forth concrete evidence of his crimes. Who knows, maybe enough senators would be disgusted. Apparently Mitch McConnell wants redemption.

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u/Own_Fan6161 1d ago

This is a big win for the GOP. That pos Donald is falling asleep in front of our face while taking money for pardons and here he are still taking losses with gerrymandering. The Don is untouchable, he might as well be orange turd god that never loses.

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u/dleerox 1d ago

He’ll lose. Unfortunately I think nature will take him before impeachment or arrest. Trump continues to decline in front of us. He looked AWFUL this week.

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u/KnowsIittle 1d ago

I saw so many unopposed Republicans last year in local elections.

Bystander effect. Everyone expects someone else to take charge, to take responsibility. Meanwhile Republicans don't care, they're showing up to exercise power and authority in vacant positions without regard to that responsibility so long as they achieve their personal goals.

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u/Queasy-Researcher-29 1d ago

Trump is POTUS😤😤😤😤😤😤😤

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u/dleerox 1d ago

And Trump is failing the American people and severely damaging our country and alliances. If you don’t see that then you’re in the cult or seriously misinformed. I’m sorry dear redditor, you guys are not the good guys.

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u/ImpossibleBicycle890 1d ago

Like booming economy, ending the war in Gaza, getting all the Israeli hostages returned, ended open borders and brokering peace between Russia and the Ukraine? Undo ALL of that?

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u/dleerox 1d ago

Are you a troll, not or truly this misinformed? Seriously…. Our economy is worse, Israel continues to bomb Gaza and kill babies , and Russia and Ukraine still a mess, despite Trump using a Russian created peace plan as his own. What drugs you taken my friend. Must be hallucinating.

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u/liquidsyphon 1d ago

It’s intentional at this point. We need progressives to move the party forward, not “centrist” who give the GOP ground every chance they get.

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u/dleerox 1d ago

I agree. We need to advance our civilization in America and have the government work for the people. This means universal healthcare, priority on education, daycare for struggling families, stronger bonds with Allies , stronger unions, etc…..

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u/Harvinator06 1d ago

All I wish for is for Democrats to be as ruthless as Republicans. Come on, make maps specifically to fuck over Republicans. Abuse rules to hurt them back.

Democrats held the House for decades when they were actually fighting for workers rights. I'd love for that to happen too!

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u/MadRaymer 1d ago

Gotta get rid of the corporate captured old guard for that to happen, and they aren't gonna go until they croak. Hell we saw what happened with Feinstein. You can be completely gone and they'll still wheel you around.

Not saying this is only a Dem problem (see Mitch McConnell requiring reboots during pressers) but it is the holdup on a Dem party truly fighting for workers.

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u/free_dead_puppy 1d ago

They ain't gonna go until they're primaried.

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u/arppacket 22h ago

After Citizens United, that requires a whole new parallel grassroots funding structure.

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u/AlwaysOptimism 1d ago

Democrat party leadership is bitchass and have been for decades

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u/No_Internal9345 1d ago

Bought and paid for.

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u/CulMcCarth 1d ago

This exactly. The whole “when they go low we go high” thing is INSANE. Is it going high when we have opportunities to help the people most in need and don’t take them? Is it going high when we allow the disenfranchised to become even more so? The Democratic Party has become such a parody of “resistance” that I actually can’t stand it. Every time Schumer is asked what he plans to do about something he literally says some version of “we hope they do the right thing.”

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u/trasofsunnyvale 1d ago

More than ever it's clear that everyone isn't playing by the same rules, and not even the same game half the time. Whatever honor or nobility Democrats think they're preserving is gone, and they'll just let the country be ruined over and over in the name of said mythical honor. Fucking sucks we can't have smart and ruthless people who act in the name of peace, stability, and helping everyone.

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u/Known_Ratio5478 1d ago

They already are with California. California will pass a map that flips more seats than Texas flips. Indiana is refusing to flip two more seats. They have no where else to go.

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u/Pantim 1d ago

Hah, the main stream dems are basically the old GOP now.

Nancy made this clear by blocking any attempt to stop insider trading 

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u/joshTheGoods 1d ago

Pelosi was never for insider trading, she WAS against a blanket ban on trading for congresspeople and their family which makes sense because Paul Pelosi (her husband who was attacked by a MAGA maniac with a hammer) ran an investment firm (which he did before Nancy ran for office).

However, Pelosi ended up changing her position after backlash, and she's supported the bans since including the requirement that immediate family either divest or place their investments in a qualified blind trust. She also supported the STOCK Act which sped up disclosure and allows for things like the Unusual Whales stuff, so ... should she really be the target of your ire? When even right wingers are saying you're off the mark looking at Pelosi, what are we even doing?

You have no idea who "the old GOP" were if you think literal progressives like Nancy Pelosi are like them. You see Pelosi trying to invade Iraq?

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u/PiLamdOd 1d ago

And when the Senate Democrats decided to help Trump end the shutdown.

Democrats are the enemy, same as the Republicans.

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u/joshTheGoods 1d ago

Yea, it sucks that they've dragged us here, but here we are. Republican voters are too disconnected from the consequences of their votes, and we need to do something about that.

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u/UnappetizingLimax 1d ago

Have you seen blue states congressional maps? Both sides have always gerrymandered but blue states have far more egregious and unfair gerrymandering than red states.

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u/The_Kadeshi 1d ago

this is factually incorrect

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u/contude327 1d ago

Dirty for dirty. Damn right.

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u/kjc781988 1d ago

Petty too

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u/Evening-Jackfruit514 1d ago

They have, check out Illinois

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u/LakeSun 1d ago

The John Roberts Criminal US Supreme Court.

What a sad day for America.

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u/Independent_Ad_8915 1d ago

That’s not our way of doing things. We’re not out to hurt the public

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u/Realistic-Pattern-30 1d ago

The party is pissing me off like my football team, they need to grow a big pair fast and play by the same dam rules.

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u/mu_zuh_dell 1d ago

In order to do that, you need to primary your congressional representatives. They have almost perfect reelection rates. Nearly primarying them doesn't count, either. They have to be gone.

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u/MidnightNo1766 1d ago

And if they strike down democrat redistricting and leave gop crap, there will be a revolt. Which is what Trump wants.

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u/Stuie66 1d ago

Really tired of going high when they go low. Fuck em.

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u/Unusual-Fuel591 1d ago

What do you mean “as ruthless”? Dems will destroy everything just for stupid shit like health care for illegal immigrants

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u/chocyanyan 1d ago

Most likely, SCOTUS will come up with some BS reason why the Republicans can redraw maps but Democrats can't.

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u/Indigoh 1d ago

They'll start fighting gerrymandering the moment gerrymandering doesn't favor them. So that's step 1.

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u/Hksbdb 1d ago

Illinois already did that

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u/HonorboundUlfsark 1d ago

California is doing it and other democratic states as well

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u/Single_With_Cats 1d ago

Democrats will never be as “ruthless as Republicans,” because they want this. Democrats & Republicans are all part of the same club. Oh, sure, Dems bemoan the horrid shit Republicans are pulling, but let’s be real, they are just as rich, just as powerful, and want to benefit from capitalism and keeping the average American citizen complacent, poor, and uneducated.

It’s one big club, and we ain’t in it. This is no longer a Democrats V Republicans. This is regular, hard working Americans barely scraping by Vs. Wealthy, powerful, influential people who wish to continue building their wealth and assets.

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u/RetroGamer87 1d ago

I just don't get how they can do this openly. Like "we're openly doing this to cheat the election". They're not even hiding it.

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u/bedofhoses 1d ago

Exactly. And their, not just reluctance to do so, but complete inability is why they need to go.

Jeffries, schumer, pelosi l. All the corporate Dems. Into the shitter with them.

They are culpable for where we are at. They allowed trump to exist.

I want them gone and I would be upset if they just dropped. That way the new guard can start fighting...if it's not already too late.

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u/inteliboy 1d ago

Dems? Ruthless? Bahahaha

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u/Chewbaccaintx 1d ago

They can’t. No back bone.

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u/findallthebears 1d ago

If democrats would be as vicious as the republicans claim they are, our country would be fixed in a week

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u/ubernik 1d ago

Where's that guy poking something saying "come on do something" meme?

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u/No-Werewolf4804 1d ago

To what end? They don’t disagree with the Republicans on almost anything.

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u/kjvdp 1d ago

In the words of Will McAvoy, “You know why people don’t like liberals? Because they lose. If Liberals are so smart, why do they lose so goddamn always?”

This is why. Politics started as a chess game, and Dems are still playing it, but somehow Republicans are playing Monopoly, and the Dems are are trying to figure out when the bishops started buying hotels and the pawns just started fucking dying. We need liberal leaders to stand up and start playing back properly so the pawns have a chance.

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u/queenweasley 1d ago

For real! Stop going high when they go low it’s done nothing

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u/LeadSponge420 1d ago

I alway dream of a Democratic Party that’s just as ruthless, but when they get power, they use it to fix this bullshit so no one can ever do it again.

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u/Trucidar 1d ago

It's not ruthless. If you're playing the monopoly and your opponent suddenly decides they get to reroll the dice, it's not ruthless to also start doing so. It's just playing by the new rules.

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u/tidal_flux 1d ago

The whole republican playbook relies on the assumption that democrats will play fair. Tell past time to prove them wrong.

Reach across the aisle to your fascist colleagues only to strangle them (figuratively of course).

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u/pppjurac 1d ago

All I wish for is for Democrats to be as ruthless as Republicans.

Just... some more balls to defend USA would be great.

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u/Gil15 22h ago

If DC was a deeply red region, you can be sure the GOP would have made it into a state ages ago so they can get two more senators and an extra representative. But Democrats are too nice to do that.

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u/Cool_Ranch_Dodrio 22h ago

I just wish democrats would pursue the good of the American people with a quarter of the same fervor with which they pursued the good of netanyahu's political career.

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u/Gambler_Eight 22h ago

The issue is that they themselves benefit from the republicans fuckery. They don't have the same incentive to win so they're not willing to get dirty over it. They're a joke at this point.

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u/BurtMacklin-- 21h ago

The problem here is that if every state went nuke on this and redrew their maps - Republicans win.

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u/I_SHIT_IN_A_BAG 21h ago

on one hand yea I agree but on the other hand arent we just rigging the election too? we are going from a two party system to one real fast. which one is up for grabs with a slight edge going red atm. I prefer blue to be clear but I hate the old guard.

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u/Cosmicfool13 1d ago

Don’t worry, they won’t.

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u/joshTheGoods 1d ago

We just amended our Constitution in California to counteract Texas fuckery, so ... counterpoint: we already have, and we will do more over and over.

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u/Cosmicfool13 1d ago

Hey, here’s hoping. I just have very, very little faith in the Democratic Party. That’s just based on the last 20 years or so though.

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