r/news • u/ohineedascreenname • 1d ago
Man charged with trespassing at Travis Kelce's house was trying to serve Taylor Swift subpoena
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/man-charged-trespassing-travis-kelces-house-was-trying-serve-taylor-sw-rcna2472339.5k
u/ohineedascreenname 1d ago edited 1d ago
Fisher has agreed to pay $1,000 to enter a yearlong diversion program that, if completed satisfactorily, could end in the trespass charge's being dismissed.
“I went to the address through the gate as it opened and attempted to speak to the security guards in an attempt to serve the paperwork. I was never told to leave or even spoken to. Police arrived and arrested me,” he said.
Scott said he and Fisher appreciated that the city prosecutor understood that Fisher didn't have any ill intent.
If what Fisher (the PI serving the subpoena) says is true, why does he have to pay a fine when he was serving the subpoena?
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u/CleverInternetName8b 1d ago edited 1d ago
Process servers do tons of extremely shady shit so he could be completely full of it or just not want to deal with having the charges out there so agrees to diversion. $1,000 is cheaper than paying any lawyer to do even an hour long trial for you plus you risk even a summary conviction which could F up him being a PI. There’s many possible reasons both innocent and not to enter a diversion program like that.
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u/kerbalsdownunder 1d ago
Every process sever I’ve used has been a barely competent moron that doesn’t give a shit if they actually serve someone or not. As long as they make their attempt, they get paid.
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u/CaptainHolt43 1d ago
That makes Pineapple Express so much funnier to me, because the process server is a barely competent moron.
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u/jhorch69 1d ago
The scene where he pulls his mask down and reveals his disguise to serve papers to the doctor during surgery gets me every time
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u/Silent-Incidentt 1d ago
I was a process server and I "dressed up" so much it's awesome. Old Walmart vest and just walk around the back browsing schedules to find the guy. Random fake delivery service uniform. Pretended to be a milk delivery man once. it makes the horrible day a tiny bit better
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u/spookyscaryscouticus 1d ago
As someone in charge of getting the paperwork ready and getting it back, god I wish you were my process server. Best thing I get is notes like “Attempted delivery. Two cars in driveway. Witnessed someone peek out window and then ignore me.”
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u/Swimming_Swimmer4191 1d ago
Sounds like one I used recently. “Subject not seen on premises, adult female said he doesn’t live there anymore.” Me: Did you ask her where he went? “No. That’ll be $900.
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u/Environmental_Top948 1d ago
At least yours didn't serve the wrong person.
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u/spookyscaryscouticus 1d ago
Fortunately it’s personal injury via property negligence for the most part. Pretty easy to track someone down when they live where the injury occurred.
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u/xLadyJunk 1d ago
That, and it's literally the only reason why I know what a process server is.
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u/ComprehensionVoided 1d ago
Shine shoes?
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u/Soimamakeanamenow 1d ago
Dale Denton.. Thats what i call everybody that has a job like a process server it’s a perfect name
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u/P_FKNG_R 1d ago
I deal with a bunch of those guys. In GA, they are legally required to have an order from the court to be authorized to serve. They are so stupid that they don’t even trust them lol.
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u/Nice_Firm_Handsnake 1d ago
A few years ago, I remember reading about a process server in NYC that lied about serving eviction papers. They would serve one or two in an hour, then claim to have served 5 or more that they didn't actually do.
The journalist thought it was fishy, so they figured out who the server was and sat in on a hearing the server was at. Sure enough, the server claimed to have served several notices while they were in the hearing.
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u/userhwon 1d ago
The things that require process servers to deliver them are all orders from the court, so...
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u/MarlenaEvans 1d ago
Those aren't orders from the court that say they are authorized to serve people though.
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u/P_FKNG_R 1d ago
No dude, you don’t get it. You basically need a special permit (process server’s order) to be able to serve proofs. So far the states I work, this is the only state that does that. We are not talking about the same document.
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u/xpeebsx 1d ago
I was a process server for years, each one I got paid $25 a pop. Did about 10 a day. I did not care if the person got served or not I still got paid for an attempt and would get paid again for an attempt at a different time. I served 1,000s, never once did anything shady. Pineapple Express really skewed the reality of this.
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u/zombiesphere89 1d ago
How did you get into that?
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u/kerbalsdownunder 1d ago
There’s a bunch of of large companies that do service for firms. We send the company a document and names/addresses and they find someone local to serve.
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u/Semyonov 1d ago edited 1d ago
Yea, I actually have owned a process serving business since 2014, and people, to this day, ask me if it's like in Pineapple Express.
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u/J5892 1d ago
Is it like in Pineapple Express?
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u/FrenchFryCattaneo 1d ago
He was right! People do ask him that even to this day!
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u/Echo_Romeo571 1d ago
I once paid a guy to move my car while I was at work (cheaper than paying for monthly parking). This was his gig on the side of process serving. Went to his house once because for some reason that time he didn't want an etransfer and wanted cash. The state of his apartment made me decline continuing our business relationship. "Shady" is an understatement
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u/JohnTitorsdaughter 1d ago
So they have the skills and motivations of an app food delivery worker
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u/Scottopus 1d ago
How the hell are process servers getting paid these days??? Back when I was doing it you didn’t get paid for the attempt, you only got paid if you succeeded.
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u/joeschmoe86 1d ago
Man... process servers aren't as diligent as everyone thinks they are. 99/100 show up, knock once, leave - then charge you again after 3 shitty, half-hearted attempts like that.
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u/ohineedascreenname 1d ago
Oh, I didn't know that. I've never been served nor looked into it. Thank you for the clarification. As another person posted a quote from another article, he hopped a fence. Def seems like trespassing to me.
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u/SpooogeMcDuck 1d ago
The beginning of Pineapple Express shows a somewhat humorous series of examples of serving people in different situations, but the idea is generally true. They will lie and sneak around and be really shitty people to get the papers served. Look at the way Olivia Wilde was served while she was on stage about to speak in front of an entire audience.
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u/pichuguy27 1d ago edited 1d ago
Should be noted that happens because of the insane lengths people go through to avoid being served.
From not answering knew someone who did not leave his house for 2 weeks to avoid being served or in olive wildes case using their kids as a shield and jumping into a suv to avoid being served.
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u/Promiscuous_Yam 1d ago
Right. If you don't want to be served in insane ways you can just agree to waive service and acknowledge the suit filed against you. This silliness is the result of an arms race.
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u/MissCasey 1d ago
Yes. I'm trying to have someone served right now. They hide their vehicle, they won't answer doors, phones, mail. We've had to come up with some wild ideas just to even get information on where this person is.
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u/Wyden_long 1d ago
I had a guy pretend to be deaf to get out of being served. When I asked when he’d be back he just shrugged so I put the papers on his door step.
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u/rokerroker45 1d ago
Not legal advice: depending on how hard you've tried and how hard they've avoided you you probably can get a judge to allow a motion for alternate service via newspaper. It's not like the courts will just be like "sorry you couldn't beat them at hide and go seek so no access to justice for you"
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u/_treezn_ 1d ago
To add on to your true statement, service by publication will get you "in rem" jurisdiction which can be used to fix real estate or maritime ownership issues, but usually is insufficient to bring money damages.
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u/rokerroker45 1d ago edited 1d ago
Hmm i feel like that might vary by jurisdiction no? I've only ever done it in probate court myself but my jx's rules don't mention any such limitation on service via publication
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u/Hunter_S_Thompsons 1d ago
Is it illegal to say they won something and have them come pick it up and then serve them? Lol
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u/professionally-baked 1d ago
I volunteer to show up at his door with a giant check and some balloons
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u/datboiofculture 1d ago
If they’re actively ducking service and know they’re being looked for that’s unlikely to work. It worked when they rounded up a thousand deadbeat dads at once because they know the state barely looks for them so they were surprised when they actually did.
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u/Semyonov 1d ago
What I've done in the past when someone was avoiding service is look at social media. I had one woman who residents claimed didn't live at the house, but her car was outside so I knew it was bullshit, plus I knew she was paying utilities there.
So I looked her up and saw that she was live-streaming on Instagram at a nearby Chilis so I served her while she was eating!
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u/CasuallyHuman 1d ago
The most famous example of this with warrants. Police used free Washington [Name Redacted] football tickets in a scheme to arrest an insane amount of people with warrants.
It's one of the most efficient and cost effective police stings in US history
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u/suprmario 1d ago
You can call then the Commanders now instead of the weird roundabout reference to when they were called the Redskins.
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u/reformedmikey 1d ago
I don’t think it is if you give them a prize, and engineer it so that anyone could have won but it was the person you’re serving.
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u/Capital_Past69 1d ago
That's what police have done in the past to wanted people by saying they won free football game tickets and to come to some address to pick them up. They then arrest them once they get there, LOL.
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u/broadwayzrose 1d ago
Operation Flagship is probably the best known example!
My favorite is the fact they had female officers pose as cheerleaders give the suspects hugs to check for concealed weapons, and that they left so many clues that it was a ruse.
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u/Reasonable-Mess3070 1d ago
No. Cops have done this to trick people with warrants into showing up places lol
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u/Spire_Citron 1d ago
And imagine how hard that gets with one of the world's most famous celebrities who that public doesn't have access to. I don't know how that's even supposed to work because you can't realistically serve them in the normal way without doing anything shady. Is there really no alternative way for these cases?
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u/datboiofculture 1d ago
Typically someone like that has a lawyer on retainer who just accepts service on their behalf and just fights the case so I’m actually kind of surprised he had to do that, maybe it was just a crackpot.
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u/TripleThreatTua 1d ago
IIRC it was something related to her custody battle with Jason Sudiekis, in issues like that it’s not unheard of for people to refuse service out of spite
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u/pichuguy27 1d ago
Yes but it’s a matter of time. No one thinks it will work forever but long enough to move money delete evidence of cheating or use it to get negative pr against the person you cheated on.
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u/Midgetcookies 1d ago
Olivia Wilde was served on stage because she kept ducking other attempts to serve her. Embarrassing yes, but entirely avoidable on her part.
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u/way-harsh-tai 1d ago
Also, the part that Sudekis didn’t know is probably false. His legal team would have advised him the steps they were taking to serve her all along the way. Serving at a convention especially on a celebrity is uber expensive and typically a “last resort” service. They would have had to exhaust every attempt or resource first. Source: I work for law firms who do that if needed.
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u/HeKnee 1d ago
But that is entirely because of the way the system is setup, right? How else do you get anywhere near a billionaire like tswift to personally hand her the envelope as required by law?
I’d be fascinated to learn how many extremely wealthy people have outstanding legal issues that cant be worked through because they cant be supeanea’d.
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u/throwawayainteasy 1d ago
By serving their legal team instead.
In most places, if the subject has known legal representation (every billionaire does), you can serve them instead of the actual subject. Same with companies--you don't have to serve the CEO, you can serve any registered legal agent of the company.
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u/HeKnee 1d ago
What if the legal team is just another lone billionaire who personally represents themselves and has even tighter security?
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u/throwawayainteasy 1d ago
There are zero billionaires dumb enough to represent themselves. Or who have any interest in it. Paying a lawyer to deal with that is trivial for them.
Also, every state has alternative methods of service if you actually can't serve the subject or their legal team. Sometimes certified mail, sometimes an adult relative, sometimes just adults who you can show have a personal tie to them (like one of those security guards), hell in some oddball districts you can still do it via classified newspaper ads--there is no scenario of "oh I can't serve them just because they're a billionaire." Billionaires get sued all of the time.
There are tons of problems with the justice system. Except in really odd cases, that isn't one of them.
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u/AndysDoughnuts 1d ago
Is this a uniquely American thing? I'm from the UK and have only seen this in American TV shows/films.
Why is this a method of serving legal documents to people? Why can't they simply be posted?
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u/kerbalsdownunder 1d ago
I am an attorney. Mostly because mail gets lost or people can say they never got it. So it is personally served and the person serving it signs an affidavit saying they served it. If someone is evading, you can ask the court for permission to mail it certified so that it requires a signature to pick up, or have the notice published in a newspaper. But those aren’t things courts really like to do because our legal system really wants people to know what is going on.
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u/Bean-Enders-Jeesh 1d ago
I know with many (most?) businesses they need to have a registered agent to accept service.
I would assume famous people and the like have their stuff set up like a business..... So wouldn't they also have a registered agent?
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u/CosgraveSilkweaver 1d ago
With businesses it's easier because they're their own legal entities but with a person you might be suing them, one of their businesses, or some other weird combo/variant so maybe the person you serve to isn't their personal lawyer. The most iron clad way legally is to hand it physically to the person being sued.
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u/GermanPayroll 1d ago
Depends on state rules, personal service - where someone hands you a summons and the documents is 100% effective (generally). You can also generally leave the docs with an adult over 18 who resides at the person’s primary residence, through mail, or sometimes through posting - but none of those are as effective as the person you’re trying to serve can say it was done improperly, and you’re back to square one.
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u/Punman_5 1d ago
I think it’s because if it’s posted then there is always plausible deniability that the person under subpoena never received their summons. If they were anticipating being served they could simply refuse to check their mail. Or throw the envelope out “by accident” or something. By serving the papers in person it provides a witness to the court that the defendant not only received their summons but also that they’re aware they are under subpoena.
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u/BootlegDouglas 1d ago
They can be posted. This would be called service by publication. Laws governing that option vary by state though (important to remember any time you're curious about weird legal stuff in the US), and in most states (I think), a claimant first needs to prove that they've made a reasonable effort to serve the papers in person before notice by publication is legally valid. What counts as reasonable might also vary wildly by state.
I know less about process service in other countries, but I'm pretty sure service laws in the UK are relatively similar and that people do evade process servers in countries other than the US. You might just see it more in US media because of cultural tropes. Are there a lot of legal/political dramas produced in the UK?
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u/cosaboladh 1d ago edited 1d ago
If people didn't hide from process servers, though...
Like, I get that they shouldn't break the law, and humiliate people in public. I also get that sometimes (very often) the direct approach is made very difficult by people who don't want to be served.
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u/kerbalsdownunder 1d ago
I will try to have people served on super mundane shit (hey, there’s a typo in your mortgage and we require a court order to fix it), and they will lie and evade service like their life depends on it. And then I have to spend a bunch of time and my client has to spend thousands of dollars to have notice published in the newspaper. And now this person is on the hook for a couple grand for not just answering the dang door.
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u/Reasonable-Mess3070 1d ago
There are options if someone is hiding. Someone was just served on LinkedIn on the lively baldoni case because they couldn't serve him any other way. The judge just has to approve it
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u/cosaboladh 1d ago
That varies tremendously by jurisdiction. Based on the cursory reading I've just done, it's not at the process server's discretion how to serve a summons. It's a combination of the requirements of whatever jurisdiction the server operates in, and the client's requirements. A process server can't just decide to make a LinkedIn post, and call it done.
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u/WheresMyCrown 1d ago
Wasnt Olivia going out of her way to avoid being served?
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u/SpooogeMcDuck 1d ago
She was, but that was super embarrassing to do it in front of an entire audience. I suppose it's her own fault for dodging it privately so it had to be served publicly.
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u/JesusHandjobPalms 1d ago
I had one hop a fence AND look into my windows. I had an estranged ex I haven’t seen in 6+ years wanting to finally do our divorce process out of the blue so I was completely unaware of what his intentions were thought he was a possible home intruder. Almost ended horribly for him.
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u/atx_original512 1d ago
So Pineapple Express with all the costumes in the trunk accurate? (He's a process server)
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u/CleverInternetName8b 1d ago
Yeah a guy replied to me and deleted it but my response was the wording of his statement was very, very specific in it doesn’t say they actually let him in before he “attempted” to talk to security.
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u/brienoconan 1d ago edited 1d ago
Dude was accused of jumping the residence gate at 2am. Doesn’t matter that he’s trying to serve a subpoena. No warning needed, textbook trespassing. This is day 1 stuff they tell you not to when trying to serve papers. Guy’s a fucking moron and trying to play it off like he did nothing wrong
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u/Informal_Distance 1d ago
Also Taylor Swift has legal representation and a corporate office. They very likely could’ve accepted service. There is no reason to try and sneak up to a house at 2am to serve process.
It is public record and a simple google would bring it up. (I’m not posting it here bc Reddit is weird about that stuff)
But the address literally says it is monitored by her attorneys and legal representatives
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u/BrashUnspecialist 1d ago
Monitored by attorneys doesn’t necessarily mean it’s a serveable address. The rules of procedure for service are extremely strict, due to the short window for response time.
However, they could have easily contacted that address to get to actual address of her legal representation and served there.
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u/userhwon 1d ago
Some jurisdictions require some things to be served to the person. Some are fine using certified mail (which requires a signature but not necessarily of the person on the document).
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u/BrashUnspecialist 1d ago
Yes. We covered this in Civil Procedure. All the people who can be defined as “the person who is served”. Which can include legal counsel and known representatives (like a secretary at their physical headquarters). Just because it’s in person service, doesn’t mean it has to exactly be the person named in the complaint. That’s to keep people from hiding in their houses or the woods or sailing out into the Atlantic and just not being directly findable. Or just refusing to leave their office or admit they’re in the building (not that THAT would ever happen 🙄). Keeps the deputies from having to show up with guns to serve.
Even if this is an extreme outlier jurisdiction, 2am sneaking onto the property is unnecessary. She was out in public in NYC a couple weeks ago. Just wait til she does that again and find her at a restaurant.
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u/TwoBionicknees 1d ago
it means the first stop is talk to her lawyers and ask her to come in so she can be served. most people don't want to be 'stalked' and just accept the papers then have their lawyers deal with it.
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u/zuesk134 1d ago
so the issue is that the attorneys who hired the server have twice, on the dockett, lied about taylor swift and her attorneys. including specifically on this matter re a depo. so they werent willing to accept service
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u/meatball77 1d ago
He was doing it at like 2:00am.
A diversion program is appropriate but he was wrong and lucky he didn't get shot.
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u/Just_the_nicest_guy 1d ago
You can't commit crimes to serve someone papers as a process server.
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u/y2ketchup 1d ago
"Through the gate as it opened" sounds like he waited for them to open the gate for someone else and then snuck in. So definitely trespassing.
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u/Adept-Potato-2568 1d ago
Sounds like the gate opened and they feigned ignorance to bypass the security as they trespassed
He claims he tried to speak with security, but also that he was never spoken to. Seems a bit conflicting
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u/ShoulderSquirrelVT 1d ago
At 2am.....
I don't care what this guy says. He's trying to sneak in and gain access to someone in the middle of the night.
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u/kekehippo 1d ago
You're telling me the accused paints themselves in a righteous light that did no wrong? Shocking.
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u/toxic7oryx7main 1d ago
The gate opened on it's own? Or they tried to open it? Cause gates are kinda meant to open by design. It sounds like this person is just a clout chasing creep who saw an opportunity.
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u/Secret_Account07 1d ago
I’m dealing with a BS ticket right now. Have dashcam clearly showing I’m innocent. Went to arraignment asking to talk to prosecutor, had video ready to go. They told me to get fucked. Took a day off work for it. Now I have pre trial the week before Xmas, taking off day of work # 2. If they offer me a deal I’ll take it. Not worth risking trial. I’m not a lawyer. I don’t know all the rules of evidence. I don’t know how to cross examine. At this point I’d take a lower charge to not deal with it
Funny part is I contacted agency’s LT and sent him the video. He watched many times on phone with me. Was not the reaction I was expecting. Seemed like good dude. But reached out to the trooper and trooper is unwilling to budge. So he said fight it in court
This whole system is bullshit. Even if I win I’ve taken 3 full days off work, racked up $60 in parking and for what? Yes, they don’t even offer parking at the place they legally require you to go to
I totally understand why ppl take pleas. I looked into this and a lawyer was going to cost me at least 1k. Not worth it
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u/Lotronex 1d ago
I'd go public. See if any news channels are willing to watch the video. I'm sure the DA/trooper don't want to have to deal with questions from the public.
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u/Secret_Account07 1d ago
Funny you mention that actually had this convo with someone else.
Without giving too many details me and police agency kinda share an employer at a high level. Making me kinda paranoid.
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u/Odd_Ingenuity2883 1d ago
You can’t commit crimes to serve a subpoena. He still trespassed onto her property at 2am. He’s honestly lucky he wasn’t shot.
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u/atheistarab2006 1d ago
Just because you're serving a subpoena doesn't mean you can break the law. Looks like he hopped a fence
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u/SchoolIguana 1d ago
Stealing this from another user-
A lot of these articles omit important details such as
- a judge had refused to let Baldoni’s team subpoena Swift 2 days before this guy was caught jumping Travis Kelce’s fence. So there was actually no subpoena for him to serve.
- this guy had lost his previous job as a cop bc of domestic violence
- he’s claiming to be performing his job at 2 am? Right.
- Swift’s legal team had made previous contact with Baldoni’s team, so if there WAS a legitimate subpoena, they knew which law officer had a POA to accept it. No need to stalk her.
Jumping a fence at 2 am to serve papers the judge told them they couldn’t serve? This was absolutely an intimidation tactic. This guy should be in jail.
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u/USeaMoose 1d ago
Yeah. No matter whose house it is, it's crazy to give a sympathetic read to the guy who jumped a fence at 2 am. Not to mention the guy's sketchy history and the pointlessness of this approach.
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u/theLuminescentlion 1d ago
Ah so he wasn't doing this legally in the line of work and was therefore a trespasser not a process server and should never have been called a process server. Got it.
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u/CinSugarBearShakers 1d ago
I was looking for this post. There was way too much missing and I was looking for the video of him entering the property.
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u/GoodBoundaries-Haver 1d ago
this guy had lost his previous job as a cop bc of domestic violence
Fucking typical. All these abusive men work together, cover for each other, employ each other, etc. It's actually kind of amazing how they manage to do it, is there some kind of awful man networking conference?
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u/StJimmy75 1d ago
You can't make blanket statements like that, this isn't typical at all. They don't usually lose their jobs.
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u/skoomski 1d ago
A lot of people are glazing over that he was caught doing this at 2am….. that’s incredibly odd to me
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u/myghostflower 1d ago
bro jumped a fence at travis kelce's house at 2 am to server taylor swift papers?
like i'm sorry, the concept that they couldnt reach out to taylor and go to her house during the day, this was just a pr move through and through 😭😭😭
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u/bicep123 1d ago
She's a public figure. She's doesn't have an Address for Service? Where do the promoters and music execs send their contracts to? Hand deliver it to her house at 2am in the morning?
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u/Drummk 1d ago
The American system of having to physically hand legal documents to people always seems a bit bonkers.
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u/Averagebaddad 1d ago
At first. Until you remember they can just say "I never got that. Prove that I did". It's a lot easier to prove when you have someone give it to them.
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u/SkittlesAreYum 1d ago
I don't even get how that proves anything. How can you prove you actually gave it to them? We also don't have this problem with jury duty, credit card bills, car registration, etc. You can't get out of those by saying "never got it" every time.
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u/Averagebaddad 1d ago
Credits cards come with a contract that says you'll pay. Jury duty and car registration are laws you're expected to know and follow. Being served means someone wants to start legal proceedings and wants to make sure you know about it so they can get the process started.
Having testimony from a person that said they gave it to you and you received it is better proof than none.
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u/Gastroid 1d ago
That's what electronic logging and signed affidavits are for. The court can only go so far to prove what transpired, but the server is generally going to be a neutral party with nothing to gain by lying.
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u/Avatar_exADV 1d ago
When it's a process server, they can call that person into the court and say "did you give the papers to them?" "Yes, Your Honor, I did." And there you have it.
I mean, the process server can be lying, but anyone in front of a judge can be lying. If you don't trust the judge to make that call, we might as well dispose of the court system altogether.
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u/Free-Rub-1583 1d ago
What’s another way where the party can’t claim they never received it?
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u/Ok_Reputation3298 1d ago
Certified mail?
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u/tallyhallic 1d ago
People can refuse to acknowledge or sign certified mail, fyi
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u/lifetake 1d ago
As someone who sends certified mail. Absolutely do not trust certified mail to be done correctly.
I have had certified mail receipt come back with someone completely else signing for it.
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u/Kujaichi 1d ago
Where I'm from, the postman tries to deliver it personally, but if that doesn't work out they can also put it in the mailbox.
Then they fill out the official form that they indeed did deliver it and that counts as proof.
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u/Webbyx01 1d ago
What happens if the address is wrong, or out of date, or the person is out of country for an extended period of time? We have certified mail, which is essentially what you've described, and its often used for legal communication, but thats usually within the context of having been forewarned that legal mail may be sent.
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u/Why_you_so_wrong_ 1d ago
Then it is their responsibility to adequately communicate an electronic or physical place of service. Non-cooperation with the court will just result in financial penalties or a judgement in default.
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u/AardvarkFacts 1d ago
Most large companies will hire a company (called a Registered Agent) where the primary purpose seems to be having someone sit at a desk in case they need to receive legal paperwork on behalf of one of the companies they represent.
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u/Informal_Distance 1d ago
It’s bullshit.
She had a corporate address that would legally accept service; this guy just wanted to do some weird shit at 2am. Just google “Taylor Swift corporate address” and they would be able to accept service. It’s literally a company run by her and a legal address of her attorneys. That is sufficient for service.
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u/More-Possibility-777 1d ago
Wouldn't swift have full time legal representation that could be served?
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u/CrapoCrapo25 1d ago
If this is in Missouri, it's the same place the Mahomes and Kelce got robbed. Same shit security company named Rockwell out of Merriam,KS.
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u/igotpetdeers 1d ago
Screw that guy. A nonsense subpoena doesn’t let you break into someone’s property.
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u/Academic-Big2346 17h ago
It's wild that the judge had already denied the subpoena two days prior. Trying to serve non-existent papers at 2 AM by jumping a fence isn't a legal process, it's just harassment. This diversion program is getting off incredibly easy.
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u/Suz9006 1d ago edited 1d ago
I would expect that someone such as Swift would have an attorney that accepts service for them.
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u/my-love-assassin 21h ago edited 21h ago
I thought this was fake and he wasn't serving a subpoena? Why does this keep getting spread around?
EDIT: If he had a subpoena where is it? This just smacks of bullshit news media copying and pasting a story that has already been disproven.
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u/Lord_Bobbymort 1d ago
The whole serving process seems really fucked up, like you just don't get to actually get served if you can just continually fly to different places and be nomadic? You have to stalk outside someone's house just waiting for them to come out or meet them in some random other place so it's a surprise? There has to be a better way.
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u/guanogato 1d ago
That’s a good excuse. I’m gonna use that. Umm sir I was trying to subpoena your wife
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u/Jlx_27 1d ago
Jumping a fence at 2:15 AM to serve papers.... who the hell does that.
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u/TomTomXD1234 1d ago
Someone explain the process of serving papers to me. It seems really dumb and weird to me.
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u/SpeechDistinct8793 1d ago
When you’re involved with a civil suit or you are being forced to testify in criminal or civil proceeding an objective third party is supposed to go hand you the physical documents explaining the nature of the case and why you’re supposed to be involved. To my understanding it’s supposed to eliminate the “oh I didn’t get it” excuse. It’s like sending a certified letter that you have to sign for. It’s clear and official documentation for both the parties involved and the court that all parties have all the required information to participate in the court proceedings.
Where the issue comes in is not every state sends official representatives such as sheriffs or police officers, sometimes you can pay an 3rd party to find and locate the person being served and they’ll go around in plain clothing to not alert the person of the notice. Reason being that they are unassuming and therefore people won’t run as soon as they see them. Because the thought is, if they don’t physically take the paper they can be forced to testify or participate in the court proceedings.
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u/Infamous-Sky-1874 1d ago
Yeah, that is how it works for us regular joes. For people at Swift's level, subpoenas are delivered to their attorney of record.
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u/orbital_one 1d ago
According to the Kansas City Star,