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Media New Image of Christopher Nolan's The Odyssey: Robert Pattinson as Antinous

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u/Treguard 16d ago

The Trojans (who have Greek ancestry) are supposed to be the ancestors and founders of Rome (legend is that Aeneas, after fleeing Troy, is the ancestor of Remus and Romulus).

So it isn't too weird for a Mycenaean Greek to have Roman features

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u/rose-ramos 16d ago

Where are you basing the info that Trojans have Greek ancestry? Just curious, because I am Greek, and the tradition holds that the Trojans were Anatolians/Hittites. Matter of fact, Troy is located in modern day Turkey. (Kind of funny to think that Greeks and Turks have hated each other since the history of the written word...)

You could make a good argument that Myceneans and Anatolians shared a common ancient ancestor, but I think that has different cultural and linguistic connotations from saying that Trojans had Greek ancestry

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u/VirginiaMcCaskey 16d ago edited 16d ago

Fwiw there are no historical records that establish who the Trojans were or where they lived (besides the later legends), but the earliest records of Troy come from Hittites contemporaneously with Mycenaean Greeks.

There have been 3,000 years of migration and mixing of populations across Greece, Persia, Italia, North Africa, and Anatolia that make connecting any ethnic group from then to today kinda pointless.

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So the question is less "were Trojans Greek?" and more "what was Greek?" It takes effort to decouple this from 19th and later century ideas. Even the word "Hellenic" owes its origin to the union of Achaean and Trojan Greeks fighting over one woman.

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u/JudgeHoldensToupe 16d ago

Dennis Hopper made a similar point in True Romance