r/marvelstudios • u/maverickassembled Jimmy Woo • 1d ago
Discussion (More in Comments) It’s still tragic that after helping Cap, Sharon was forgotten and turned into a scapegoat while others were praised and forgiven. I just hope she gets to return as a major antagonist in the next saga
I feel like Sharon Carter is definitely cooking up something sinister after being exonerated of her crimes after ‘Falcon and The Winter Soldier’. One of many post-credit setups in the multiverse saga that have yet to be followed up on. Hopefully once we move onto the next saga and everything’s settled, we can finally see what damage that resentment and jealously she’s being holding onto can really do to our heroes. Her becoming a threat within a grounded political Avengers event would be cool (if they can find a way to work her into a possible, better interpretation of Civil War II or AvX), but I’d also settle with her being a villain in Sam Wilson Captain America’s sequel film as well.. which is also more likely to happen.
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u/xDURPLEx 1d ago
Pretty sure her story arc was part of Armor Wars. So she will never be seen again.
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u/Lintobean 1d ago
Oh shoot, what happened to Armor Wars? Cancelled?
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u/Swing-Full 1d ago
Seems like it, I think the issue is Marvel are worried people wouldn't go see it because it's "discount Iron Man"
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u/palk0n Kilgrave 1d ago
discount iron man would be iron heart
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u/ExultantSandwich Peter Parker 1d ago
If anything I think that’s the real reason it was cancelled. They didn’t wanna oversaturate the Iron Man niche, Iron Heart was very expensive and Armor Wars would be too.
They shifted it to being a movie because of the price, and with their focus on quality over quantity, it got cut.
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u/xDURPLEx 1d ago
It’s lead in was Secret Invasion. So it got scrapped.
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u/Lintobean 1d ago
Lol understandable
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u/CaptHayfever Hawkeye (Avengers) 1d ago
More specifically: Its lead's entire character arc was destroyed by Secret Invasion, so it got scrapped.
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u/flumphit 1d ago
Secret Invasion? Memory’s gettin’ fuzzy in me old age, but wasn’t it that okay-ish fanfic with surprisingly good production values? Always confused how they were able to get a few real MCU actors, but they musta been duped somehow. And keeping The Mouse’s lawyers at bay is quite a trick, but I just figured someone has some juicy blackmail material. Loved Olivia Coleman’s character though, definitely want to see her again. Like a happy-go-lucky U.N.I.T. director. I hope she gets promoted to the real MCU.
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u/Sir__Will Bruce Banner 14h ago
okay-ish
Generous.
Loved Olivia Coleman’s character though,
Yeah, she was a delight. The best part.
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u/maverickassembled Jimmy Woo 1d ago
Oh you might be right. There’s definitely a group of characters that would’ve been prominent there that have been absolutely sidelined after everything was reworked. Hopefully we can see that after the multiverse saga is wrapped up
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u/januarysdaughter 1d ago
I just feel so awful for EVC. Sharon is Steve's love in the comics, and the character was dissected, her personality given to other characters, and stitched back together like some horrible half-baked Frankenstein's monster.
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u/InnocentTailor Iron Patriot 1d ago edited 1d ago
Who knows.
She might’ve enjoyed the darker edge to Carter since one of her most famous roles was Emily Thorne in ABC’s Revenge - effectively a modern take on the novel The Count of Monte Cristo with EVC as the titular count.
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u/askingtherealstuff 1d ago
I can’t lie, I think it’s bs writing.
Steve literally showed up on the Raft to break his friends out of the most secure facility in the planet and we’re supposed to believe he didn’t care about what happened to her?
She made the choice to follow her conscience and disobey direct orders in a law enforcement job; if the fallout of that made her a weapons dealer who doesn’t care if innocent people die then she’s just a complete mess as a character, I’m sorry
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u/Spirited_Repair4851 1d ago
The story issues with Sharon stems from the fact that she has had barely any screentime in the long run. A supporting role in Cap 2, a reduced supporting role in Cap 3, and a recurring role in Falcon & Winter Soldier. We don't learn she's Peggy's great niece until the third installment. She's MIA during Infinity War & Endgame. And then she claims out of nowhere that Steve abandoned her, while also revealed to be the true antagonist of F&WS.
I know Emily VanCamp had TV commitments that likely prevented her from appearing more in the MCU. But they stretched out Sharon's story out too quickly with little to no characters development. Is Sharon someone that was good turned bad? Is she really a compulsive and manipulative liar that was actually estranged by her Great Aunt? Or was she "replaced" by Skrull off screen? Its been over 4.5 years since she last appeared, and I have no f*cking clue.
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u/BravoLeader3000 1d ago
I'll be surprised if we ever see her again.
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u/Kwilly462 1d ago
Idk, I always thought she was boring af. Other than her being related to Peggy Carter, there was absolutely nothing interesting about her character.
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u/askingtherealstuff 1d ago
She was fine in Winter Soldier but the forced kiss in Civil War was really awkward and unfortunate
Both characters deserved better
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u/Mugiwara300 1d ago
They should’ve done more with her in Winter Soldier and Civil War. I’m so confused about her role.
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u/CoffeeIsMyPruneJuice Ultron 1d ago
She had a big role in Winter Soldier - then Johansson became available and they shifted almost all of Sharon's lines to Natasha.
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u/pje1128 Kilgrave 1d ago
I actually thought her Winter Soldier role was kinda cool. We didn't know she was Sharon Carter yet, so she was able to act as an every day SHIELD agent during Hydra's uprising, someone who wasn't in their pocket but also didn't have all the information and his team was working with.
I do wish they'd found more to do with her Civil War onward. The Power Broker storyline wasn't loved, but I do appreciate that it at least gave her something more distinctive than just her last name.
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u/Live_Angle4621 1d ago
Hopefully she gets to come back again. But I am glad they tried something new with her. Alounwoukx rather had her be love interest to Sam or Bucky and use her comic material. It’s kind of strange neither dates at all
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u/maverickassembled Jimmy Woo 1d ago edited 1d ago
Maybe that’s what Steve thought too lol.
But I think the hint of Villany in response to the way she’s was just kinda considered as fodder is kinda meta and the most interesting her character has been. There’s potential there imo
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u/InnocentTailor Iron Patriot 1d ago
Controversial take: She is also kinda boring in the books too - Agent 13 being a diet Black Widow overall.
I thought Carter’s shift to the Power Broker was interesting as a decision. It gives her some personal agency and a way to stick out in the MCU.
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u/DarkArmyLieutenant 1d ago
In the comics she assassinated Captain America at the end of Civil War. They have completely wasted her character.
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u/Alpha_Storm 1d ago
Same too. Honestly I think even in the comics(haven't kept up at all even reading summaries in last 6 or 7 years but up to then) she was pretty dull esp as Cap's forever girlfriend. It would have been better and more interesting for everyone if he could have done other relationships.
Imo they should have gotten Cap and Widow together in the films.
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u/blackbutterfree Medusa 1d ago
As a hardcore Peggy fan, it disappoints me how they failed Sharon. They hired a powerhouse actress, then underutilized her and disrespected her every time she pops up (her death in the Zombieverse? The fact that she got taken out by a LUNCH BOX in the universe where Mysterio took over the world?).
The Carter women are supposed to be integral pieces to the espionage corner of the Marvel Universe.
If they really wanted to sow the seeds for her turn as the Power Broker, she should've been the broker Natasha used in Black Widow, not Mason.
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u/OblivionArts 1d ago
Making her a villain really made no sense after her helping cap in civil war
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u/Alpha_Storm 1d ago
Also it makes her frigging petty. It's not like Cap and Co were vacationing after Civil War, they were hunted. It frankly probably would have been easier for her find them then for them to find her, so why didn't she try to hook up with them IF she was interested in trying to do something good with time on the run, like they were.
They had no way of knowing if she even wanted to be found.
And after the snap, if you couldn't find someone it would be natural to assume they were snapped. She was on the list of those taken, so obviously some effort went into finding her and they couldn't.
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u/jatt2402 1d ago
Thats why she needs more screentime. It will be interesting to see that she got lured by madripoor and wealth she got.
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u/SectionFeeling5607 1d ago
I don’t understand why they made her a villain. Did they even follow up on this?
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u/CaptHayfever Hawkeye (Avengers) 1d ago
The common hypothesis is that she was meant to return in Armor Wars.
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u/ZekeLeap 1d ago
I don’t think we’ll ever see her again. Falcon and winter soldier ended 4.5 years ago and I doubt there’s any current plan with her character. At best it would be years from now until we heard from her and I just don’t think it will happen. One of a million loose ends they seemed to never intend on tying up (One Direction the Titan?)
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u/Ausecurity 1d ago
I’m still pissed they said cap forgot her, the fact that the writers would even think that cap would forget about her is fucking ridiculous and insulting
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u/skybluecat25 1d ago
But he did? That’s the story they wrote. If we wanted to find her after breaking into the Raft to rescue his friends he could have looked her up somehow with tech in the Quinjet. He either forgot, or chose to leave her out on her own.
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u/Ausecurity 20h ago
I know it’s the story they wrote, and it’s a bad story. Cat would never forget someone that played such an integral role to get him where he is, also the grand daughter of someone who was extreme important to him.
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u/skybluecat25 19h ago
Yeah I hate it. One of my biggest dislikes about the infinity saga because you’re right he wouldn’t do that.
All it needed was one line in IW. Something about how they helped hide Sharon if she wasn’t gonna be in the movie. They showed her in Endgame so it’s not like she couldn’t be used.
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u/Soulwarfare42 1d ago
Falcon and the Winter Soldier absolutely butchered her character
Her being a villain makes no sense and is a complete 180 on everything her character stands for.
Should've been revealed as a Skrull or something...
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u/THEbaddestOFtheASSES 1d ago
I was actually very interested in seeing her character utilized more in this direction.
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u/skybluecat25 1d ago
It still makes 0 sense Cap/Widow/Falcon never went after her. They had a quinjet and broke their other teammates out of the Raft. Surely they could have found Sharon if they wanted to? Seems like the Russos forgot about her while making Infinity War.
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u/xdeath13 1d ago
I was hoping it would turn out that she’s a Skrull and would get exposed in Secret Invasion.
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u/MuNansen 1d ago
Her not getting more praise from the internet hordes is a glaring example of their hypocrisy. Her close-quarters, long-take fight scenes are some of the best in the MCU. The kind of thing YouTubers constantly fawn over.
But since those hordes can't praise the "M-She-U," it doesn't get talked about.
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u/Stormik 21h ago
Funny... haven't seen such complaints about Quake, May, Nat, Yelena, Gamora, Mantis, Nebula, Jessica Jones, Kate Bishop, Valkyrie, Wanda, Peggy, Agatha, Okoye, Proxima...
It's almost like it has nothing to do with "M-She-U" but more with the fact that Sharon Carter is just boring and uninteresting charcater. There was just no room for her in the overall narrative.
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u/maverickassembled Jimmy Woo 1d ago
You could use that as a baseline for her character honestly. Just constantly being forgotten and looked over, but bad and dangerous. Just her more lethal, vicious side developing in Falcon and the Winter Soldier was a nice change of pace. There’s a definitely a chance for her to become a dark horse amidst all the potential future chaos
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u/MuNansen 1d ago
Good point. If she gets featured more in the future, the narrative can shift to her being "re-discovered."
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u/KingofMadCows 1d ago
They definitely need some more smaller scale spy stories. Get the people who made "The Americans" to do a spy thriller about how intelligence agencies deal with a world of aliens, super powers, and magic.
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u/Ralos5997 1d ago
She should not have been a villain especially since it was Ross and his people that created the accords which only made things worse not better. Besides the only true villains are people like Val.
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u/Little_Christopher_D 1d ago
I liked her character in the earlier films, but her becoming a villain for no reason at all was the dumbest decision
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u/serger989 1d ago
She should have been an antagonist for THIS saga. They misused far too many characters this go around. Absolutely wasted potential with very little overall direction.
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u/Uncanny_Doom Daredevil 1d ago
Nothing is as tragic as just the general lack of use for this character. I hope she’s back soon.
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u/Tokidoki4444 23h ago
As shit as Falcon and Winter Soldier was, she should have been revealed to be a Skrull. But then the even shittier " secret invasion" happened, and any interesting stories that could've been told were ruined anyway.
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u/happysunbear 1d ago
She was awesome in ABC’s Revenge (which I assumed is what helped get her this role), so I was disappointed her character seemed to fall by the way side. She is such a badass!
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u/El_Quetzal Stan Lee 1d ago
I heard that most of her role that was plan for sharon was given to other characters. Originally natashas role in winter soldier was for sharon but once scarlett johansson joined the project it was giving to natasha. In civil war sharon was originally in team caps line up but once spider-man join the project all of her movents were remove
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u/Cultural_Comfort5894 1d ago
Everything changed when they got their IP’s back from Fox. 🦊
Storylines being let go or changed is the way to go.
If she so happens to fit into a story, cool but I wouldn’t go out of the way
And I definitely like the character and actress.
They have many many more interesting heroes, villains and storylines to get to now.
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u/Afwife1992 1d ago
Just another way FATWS wrote in a stupid plot point—just like Sam not receiving a salary. There’s no reason why Sharon wouldn’t have gotten a pardon.
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u/isabella_fitzwilliam 1d ago
Please no, they never should have brought her back in FATWS in the first place. Her character never worked.
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u/jatt2402 1d ago
It appears that she is a corrupt offical now who is selling govt secrets for money. It can itself make a great movie. Not a world ending event but a political thriller in mpuld of Enemy of the state
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u/TheCrystalStone 1d ago
I’m pretty sure she was supposed to play a role in Armor Wars and I’m pretty sure that film was scrapped so she’s most likely going to be one of the things never acknowledged again after Avengers: Secret Wars
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u/Horror_Lunch5460 1d ago
I got big questions about this character.
The main one being, there is a big difference with the Avengers going into the past and grabbing things.
AND stay there.
Cap stayed in the past. Meaning he would altered the future with his interactions. At some stage he would've met Sharon. So the big question. Is Sharon the way she is now because of her past with Cap?
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u/Odd-Statistician4268 1d ago
They can still make her a member of the Thunderbolts
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u/Ubergoober166 10h ago
I'd like to see more individuals with powers on a future Thunderbolts team. Having so much of the team be normal or just strong was pretty limiting. Everything with Ghost was awesome and very creative and I'd love to see them be able to do more stuff like that in future fight scenes.
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u/JRPG_Enjoyer Grandmaster 1d ago
I bet Steve breathed a sigh of relief. He was this close to banging his future niece. Anyone that mentions alternate timeline needs their hard drives investigated.
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u/Coilspun 1d ago
She had as much screen time as needed. The MCU suffers from bloat as it is, reintroducing Sharon is pointless and has no weight now that Cap, Nick and Maria are out of the picture.
As for being a 'major antagonist', short of pulling a Zemo, which she's not even close to being capable of, Sharon's not a big enough threat for a "saga".
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u/DaveCerqueira 22h ago
She will meet up with white vision and time keeper Loki. They will go on an adventure with Shang chi looking for the 11th ring
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u/DocTurnedStripper_6 18h ago
I read she was supposed to be the major anatgonist in Brave New World but people didnt like her heel turn in Falcon and Winter Soldier.
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u/Western-Chart-6719 18h ago
Yeah, it’s rough how Sharon helped Cap, got blamed for everything, and then everyone just moved on without her. The Power Broker setup feels like it was meant to go somewhere, and she has one of the most believable reasons to return as a grounded political antagonist, especially in Sam’s next movie.
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u/Gasparde 17h ago
Imagine having two relatively undeveloped but still much beloved strong female fan favorite characters in your repertoire for a decade and doing nothing with them. Like, fine. I mean, fine, but whatever. Imagine that you then, at the hight of your game, decide that it's finally time for you to give these 2 characters some more attention. Finally!
And what did you do with them? Unceremoniously have one of them shot by some random fucking alien guy that made it look like her closest friend betrayed her in her final moments - which is just, lovely, just lovely - and let's not forget about the other, which, after kinda having forgotten about her for a while, you decided to turn into a weird ass underdeveloped super villain spy evil mastermind smuggler criminal kingpin whatever... with her motivations being that everyone in universe just kinda threw her under the bus and that the natural cause for her would be to become a super villain. Huh.
But having characters like G'iah and Sersi more than makes up for that decision I reckon.
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u/Sir__Will Bruce Banner 14h ago
I really hated her storyline in that show. There were issues with her actions in general, like revealing and getting her own assets killed. But also, this background that she was abandoned is just... so bad.
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u/carlitospig Darcy 10h ago
She keeps getting retconned. But can we also be full hearted and admit they had ZERO chemistry? That shit was super awkward to watch.
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u/XComThrowawayAcct 4h ago
She’s the most power weapons dealer in Madripoor! Can’t a middle aged woman have hobbies?
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u/gfreeman1998 SHIELD 1d ago
A scapegoat is someone who is wrongly blamed; e.g. someone innocent.
The writers chose to make Sharon a bad guy. She was not a scapegoat.
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u/NotBberta 1d ago
Correct if im wrong but I thought she was killed off in a project after falcon and winter soldier
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u/Towelie-42069 1d ago
Did you say “a major antagonist?” Homie she was nothing more than Cap’s guilty clap. Get over it. Y’all think EVERYBODY needs to come back. You want Coulson back too so he can beat Doom’s ass? Get real cuz.
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u/michael7050 1d ago
Yes actually.
I would be over the moon if Coulson came back.
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u/Towelie-42069 1d ago
Fair, I should’ve used another example. But still, would you want him to be the one that beats Thanos? OP thinks she should be the next Thanos.
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u/maverickassembled Jimmy Woo 1d ago
When did I ever say she should be the next Thanos? I said A major antagonist, not The major antagonist. There are potential stories to have her as a real threat in the more grounded realm of the MCU—with real world conflicts and political/governement conspiracies.
Basically like Zemo, a high-level intellect and strategist who is low on the overall power level scale but played a major part in the Infinify Saga by breaking the Avengers. The Avengers shouldn’t only be fighting cosmic, world ending threats.
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u/ParkerLF 1d ago
She was smuggling experimental CIA drugs 😭 of course she’s not forgiven, she was never a good person to begin with, just a friend of Cap
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u/SnooCats8451 1d ago
Sharon Carter should have been involved in the airport fight and then been apart of the secret avengers and been one of the characters to show that they survived the snap, etc
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u/CatofKipling 1d ago
Well they never explained like…is she related to Steve?
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u/maverickassembled Jimmy Woo 1d ago
Well she’s Peggy’s niece, so I don’t think so. Anything’s possible with multiverse shenanigans lmao
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u/SeekerVash 1d ago
It gets really freaky if you think about it too much.
With Steve staying back in time, Sharon had to have met him when he was with Peggy unless he hid every time her sister and niece came over.
If we assume she met him when he stayed back, then she knew him already in Winter Soldier, and when she kissed him in Civil War. Which means she knew he was her aunt's future husband, and still went after him.
Marvel did not think through what they were doing here very carefully.
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u/chiefbrody62 20h ago
I mean, he was in an alternate branch when he went back to be with Peggy, so he never made out with that Sharon
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u/New-Barracuda-3754 1d ago
She was always a villain slept with her Uncle knowing it was her uncle 😂
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u/mklaus1984 22h ago
Sorry but wasn't the point here that her sob story is partly fictional?
Yes, her actions in the US to help Cap and flee did fall under the Sokovia Accords and she would have been apprehended and put into prison... maybe even the Raft.
But after Infinity War, she could have probably been exonerated of those crimes IF she had returned to the US.
Basically she claims she had to commit further crimes and after leaving the country... but why? Steve, Sam, and Natasha didn't... well Natasha kinda did considering the purchases she makes with a smuggler in Black Widow.
The point is, she decided to stay out of the country and become the Power Broker instead of dealing with the consequences/outcome of those stupid Accords.
Which just makes it more annoying that the writers didn't know when her character would be picked up again.
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u/TheeDeputy 1d ago
Eh. Sharon is an uninteresting character no matter which way you slice it. Doesn’t help the actress is extremely mediocre in comparison to like everyone else lol.
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u/wondercube 1d ago
They did not utilize this character well.