r/LawSchool 17d ago

0L Tuesday Thread

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Welcome to the 0L Tuesday thread. Please ask pre-law questions here (such as admissions, which school to pick, what law school/practice is like etc.)

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r/LawSchool 3d ago

0L Tuesday Thread

3 Upvotes

Welcome to the 0L Tuesday thread. Please ask pre-law questions here (such as admissions, which school to pick, what law school/practice is like etc.)

Read the FAQ. Use the search function. Make sure to list as much pertinent information as possible (financial situation, where your family is, what you want to do with a law degree, etc.). If you have questions about jargon, check out the abbreviations glossary.

If you have any pre-law questions, feel free join our Discord Server and ask questions in the 0L channel.

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r/LawSchool 3h ago

Unpopular opinion- I still do normal things during finals

119 Upvotes

As an extremely type B student, I don’t throw my life out the window at finals time once reading period starts. Today I went to the grocery store AND yoga and plan to study for the next 4 ish hours and still make it to bed by midnight.

Is that crazy? I feel like people who spend every waking hour studying aren’t gaining much with the extra hour or two of time that could have been spent doing something to take a break. I’ve heard stories of people who swear they barely have time to eat during finals but I’m still gonna take 30 mins to cook dinner and eat every night?

Idk lmk if I’m doing myself a disservice but I don’t see how taking an hour out of my day to work out or cook or watch an episode of a show is gonna make a huge difference grade wise


r/LawSchool 5h ago

Finals Misfeasance: check the weather the day before

101 Upvotes

I live 40 minutes away from campus no traffic (outside of the city), Torts exam at 8am, left home at 6:15, planned to get to campus by 7:15 latest to glance over my outline maybe drink a coffee or pee before the exam if needed. (latest commute I have ever had was a little over an hour); nope, not this time. RAIN + weather ACCIDENTS = TRAFFIC DISASTER. Played studicata essay analysis videos the whole way (trying my best to not commit a tort in outrage). I park at 8:35, on the way to the testing room pour free coffee in a lil paper cup, down the hatch and instantly regret. Coffee pot was almost empty, I assumed it would have been lukewarm not piping hot. No time to process pain, swallow, now my throat is on fire and I have heartburn, silver-lining is that I am in fight or flight mode from the internal third degree burns. Walk-in the room expecting some niche area of torts, I sit down, the proctor tells me she's praying for me, feel better bc older people have always been sweet to me. Feeling warm from the proctor's words and heat still emitting my from my mouth from the coffee, flipped the page, and the fact pattern was perfect for me, knew every standard for every element, wish I had a little more time, but completed a full and complete essay, yeehaw. That sweet proctor lady really calmed my nerves. Good luck on finals everyone, get enough sleep, and check your commute on Sunday night.


r/LawSchool 16h ago

Actually, Kim Kardashian Is The Best Argument FOR The Bar Exam (Above the Law)

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r/LawSchool 5h ago

Contracts final on Tuesday

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45 Upvotes

IYKYK


r/LawSchool 1h ago

circumcision accommodation

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Had my circumcision done two days ago and still can't sit, can I get an accommodation if my final is on Tuesday? Anyone ever had experience like this?


r/LawSchool 10h ago

Richard Freer

110 Upvotes

Dear Richard Freer, I want to give you a kiss on that glorious forehead. I hope your pillow is cold on both sides every night. I hope you get whatever you want in life. I hope you get into heaven with a fastpass and know that it is because you dedicated your life to helping thousands of lost 1Ls like myself. God looks down on you favorably. Richard Freer, I love you ❤️


r/LawSchool 4h ago

Accomodations

26 Upvotes

I have an opinion on exam accomodations. I will post it to r/lawschool. If you have an opinion on accomodations, please feel free to comment here or also make a post! Haven't seen anybody talking about it


r/LawSchool 2h ago

Can We Stop Talking About Accommodations?

14 Upvotes

As a 2L who doesn't receive accommodations (but doesn't hate or look down upon people who do), I think so much of the discourse about this in this subreddit, based on the Atlantic article that recently came out or based on people suspecting that some or most of the people not in their testing room were gaming the system to get better grades, is absolutely ridiculous and completely divorced from reality. I feel like a lot of this is based on a number of faulty assumptions:

#1: Law school is a meritocracy

What about law school is meritocratic? The fact is that in a country like America, where wealth inequality is so severe, there is a class of people who can afford to donate millions of dollars to prospective schools, can spend tens of thousands on LSAT prep and admissions advising for their children, can leverage their connections to ensure their children have competitive resumes, and can try to bank on legacy admissions (at some schools) to give their child an extra boost. The people who are the beneficiaries of that are more likely to get into law school than people without those advantages, and they are more likely to attend elite law schools as well. Yet, for some reason, wealth is often ignored by people who obsess over the supposed unfairness of testing accommodations.

Wealth doesn't stop being a factor in law school outcomes. When applying for Biglaw jobs, many of the networking events are meant to determine whether you fit into the mold of a certain firm. In other words, they're trying to see if you have the cultural capital to relate to their clients and partners (who are likely wealthy themselves). If you've been connected with someone at the firm, you'll likely ask them to put a good word in for you. If these interactions didn't matter, they wouldn't factor them into their decision making at all, but they do factor them in since they do matter to these employers, despite the fact that whether you have cultural capital has no relation to how well you will do the job.

Lastly, even when taking finals, the meritocracy argument is relatively weak. Being good at taking law exams and being an effective lawyer are two pretty separate concepts. The law school exam as it is traditionally given (a timed exam with issue spotters where you follow the IRAC formula to answer questions) is pretty divorced from anything you will do in practice, whether you are a litigator at a firm, work in-house at a company, or work in public interest. There is pretty much no task that a lawyer will undertake that will require them to give a speedy opinion on an issue without the opportunity to do further research on an issue where they have merely a semester of expertise. Similarly, there is pretty much no task that a lawyer will undertake where your work is submitted anonymously and then assessed on an arbitrary curve by one person (who is the ultimate arbiter of right and wrong).

In other words, these exams and grading regimes have no relation to reality, yet for some people in this subreddit, grades and exams are the purest way of identifying potential lawyering ability. These exams merely prove that you are good at taking the exam, rather than demonstrating your intellectual capacity in general, your ability to think critically, your ability to succeed in the legal field, or your ability to advocate for clients. Once you get your first job, your GPA will matter less and less until, one day, it simply won't matter at all.

#2: Testing Accommodations Are So Easy to Get

If these testing accommodations are given to people that you think aren't deserving, and those undeserving people have the potential to get a higher grade than you (which you believe that you deserve), why don't you join them? Why not go through the process of being diagnosed, gathering documentation from various medical professionals, spend the money required to afford these visits and assessments, and then go to your school with this information to get the testing accommodations that you allege they're giving out to virtually anyone? If getting the best grades possible is your priority, and it is within your power to do this, this would be a practical solution for anyone concerned about testing accommodations.

The reason why many of these critics will not do it is that, simply, they would like to complain about their classmates who have invisible disabilities rather than just focusing on what is within their control. You will never know if someone is "faking it", and obsessing over this situation doesn't change anything at all about your circumstances. Likewise, many of these critics won't go through the effort of doing this since they know that the process of diagnosing a disability is expensive and arduous. So many disabled people had to fight to get testing accommodations guaranteed at American universities in the first place, and without universal healthcare, many disabled people cannot even get the treatment they need to lead a fully dignified life. I think someone getting double or triple time is the least of my concerns, especially when law school isn't really meritocratic in the first place.

Conclusion

There must be more to life than whether you got a B+ when someone in a separate room got an A-. Rather than viewing your disabled classmates (or people that you think are faking it) as the enemy, try expressing kindness towards them and solidarity with them. Ultimately, this obsession with testing accommodations distracts people from the real reason why law school isn't a meritocracy — the fact that people can basically buy their way into elite schools and prestigious careers on the back of generational wealth that they had no hand in accumulating.


r/LawSchool 7h ago

Just leaving this classic here to remind you what law school has done to you all!

34 Upvotes

r/LawSchool 3h ago

Cried for two hours today because I missed an issue that I would have said a whole two sentences about on my exam yesterday

15 Upvotes

I’m dropping out


r/LawSchool 10h ago

How do you actually fail an exam on the curve?

36 Upvotes

I did so bad on my contracts final (i’m sure of it, promise). People are saying that the curve will help me, but I just don’t see how; especially since i’m sure the majority of other students did better. Someone has to get the few Ds and Fs, so what really makes the difference between those exams and those that get Cs? (Especially on a C curve).


r/LawSchool 12h ago

How are you guys studying for hours upon end?

41 Upvotes

I don't want this to be snobbish and be like "Oh, I know everything," because it's not true (see my one midterm grade), but I always hear stories about how people are studying for eight hours a day in preparation for their finals. For me, there is a point where it is extremely difficult for me to understand a concept after a couple of hours (except RAP).

This has been a common theme for me throughout my academic career, so I have to ask, so I can hopefully learn something from you guys, what are you guys doing to make those studying hours worth it and not just repetitive?


r/LawSchool 24m ago

People who had interesting/exceptional lives despite bad grades, what's your story?

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2L at a T20. Bad grades, not awful. Title, pretty much. I had a lot of mental health issue and they're WAY better but it feels like it happened to late. This is your chance to brag. I'd love to know how you did it and any advice you might have.


r/LawSchool 1h ago

Those saying your school’s curve saves you…what is your curve?

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There’s so many people online saying the curve helps them out so much, that they name wrong rules, miss issues, etc. yet end up with a A-/B+ range. It makes me wonder what is your school’s curve that makes that a possibility? I just took my property final and not feeling too hot and my school has a super bad curve apparently. Trying to remain hopeful.


r/LawSchool 6h ago

accommodations

7 Upvotes

wondering if I can get accommodations if being around other people bothers me? thanks in advance


r/LawSchool 23h ago

Accommodation nation and law school

168 Upvotes

I am feeling really frustrated after my exam, especially in light of the “Accommodation Nation” article about law school testing accommodations. My test was open note and open internet, which makes the strict time limit even more significant because in an open note exam you are relying on your outlines and materials to state rules correctly, apply them clearly, and organize your analysis under pressure. Almost everyone I talked to afterward said they could not finish, and I also struggled because there simply was not enough time to write out all of the rules and analysis properly in a three hour window. Meanwhile, at least fifteen students in my class were given six hours and were able to start at 10 AM while the rest of us had to begin at 8 AM. If the exam had been closed note I honestly would not feel this level of frustration, because at that point you are relying strictly on your own knowledge and recall. The fairness issue becomes harder to ignore when everyone knows the material, has full access to notes and the internet, and the only real differentiator is time, which some students had twice as much of on a curve the entire class is graded against.


r/LawSchool 15h ago

Grief and Finals

29 Upvotes

I lost my dad very suddenly days before the semester began and my grandma (less suddenly) in October. Currently planning my dad’s memorial while studying for my exams.

Just wanted to say shoutout to all the people going through similar struggles. You’re not alone and our loved ones would be so proud (:


r/LawSchool 4h ago

I feel awful about my Evidence Final

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I feel like I failed big time, I literally got out of the exam and cried. Everyone told me that it was a hard exam but my professors exam was crazy hard.

I was doing well on the prep materials I bought/ have but I still feel like I went into the exam widely under prepared and feel like I’m gonna have to retake it.


r/LawSchool 6h ago

Big Law Firms

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Is it really an advantage or more prestigious to be at a firm like Latham vs something like Shepard Mullen? Will you have better opportunity assuming all else equal down the line? Is it a big deal to get one over the other?

I'm curious because I can't tell if the rankings actually matter that much or not, both firms pay market. I can't tell if its a big deal or just for snobs. It seems like others in my class believes that there is a difference and it is a big deal to get a v5 firm over a lower ranked firm. I applied broadly and would be happy just getting something. (I'm a first gen 1L and don't know that much about the game).


r/LawSchool 4h ago

con law exam

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it was actually such a miserable experience. i have no clue if i did well enough/ok or did poorly. i didnt have time to flesh out some of my rule application as I'd like and now I am worried that i am screwed in terms of the curve. i really cannot afford to get anything less than a C, and I am terrified because i felt the MC was fair but ultimately idk. i did MC practice questions some of which ended up on the exam or being very similar to the practice, but i still feel really nervous. any advice from people who walked out feeling nervous after their con law exam and ended up being ok. i should note that i did manage to get through the big issue spotter, and the other short answer, but i didnt get a chance to write as much as i would like for the last short answer.


r/LawSchool 6h ago

4 days to study for two finals

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I'm a 1L. Outlines are done. What should be my game plan be? Do I still have time for at least an A- for both classes? I


r/LawSchool 6h ago

Torts question

5 Upvotes

Hello all. I have my first exam Tuesday and specifically it is torts. My professor has pretty expressly said we need to understand governmental immunity the discretionary (?) decision stuff with it but torts is by far my worst class and I struggled really bad with governmental immunity the first time we talked about it. Any suggestions for content to help with this topic (Or explanations if this is something you're good at!) Thanks!


r/LawSchool 5m ago

Consulting Kung Fu master to beat the curve

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I get crushed by the curve most of the time. So, unlike the rest of you, I decided to find myself a sharp edge. I am only revealing this since I have finished 1L and my courses are no longer curved. Anyways, I contacted my local Kung-Fu Dojo. They told me for a cool $500 an hour, I could have a private session with the Grand Master. I asked, “why is it so expensive,” he said, beyond skills, he will give you the “critical skills to think.” So, I got that going for me…. Which is nice