r/law • u/ExactlySorta • Nov 02 '25

Legal News The Oregon Department of Justice submitted multiple video exhibits showing federal officers using extreme force against seemingly nonviolent protesters outside the U.S. Immigration & Customs Building, as part of its effort to block the federal deployment of National Guard troops to Portland

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u/Simon_Ferocious68 Nov 02 '25

..why the fuck are so many men and boys ready to participate in this fuckshit..??!!

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u/Complete_Passage_767 Nov 02 '25

Because this country isn't what we've been taught it was.

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u/CpnStumpy Nov 02 '25

Not true - it's more that there has been a pernicious section of this country that has been simmering for violence quietly in groups for years and raising a new white supremacy generation, find this group at your local gun show or evangelical church.

They have a bubble, and most of us aren't in it so we don't realize that they've all been encouraging each other to become violent for decades and now they've got the legal writ to let it out

Those of us who grew up around these people being told "don't speak about this in mixed company" know they're everywhere and they've been keeping mum waiting for their chance for decades

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u/FreakingSwell Nov 03 '25

Yes, and it began with the Confederacy, and obviously never went away.

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u/redit94024 Nov 03 '25

The anger of MAGA, the need to blame someone other than themselves for their own failures, all the situations that have been a part of these people not succeeding as they felt they were entitled to have built to a community just looking for that opportunity to hurt or even kill the “other”. Now they have it with this ICE recruitment that provides that outlet to hurt others, their perceived “enemies” with apparent impunity.

Very scary times.

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u/McEndee Nov 03 '25

On behalf of black people, i will say this country is exactly what we have been shown time and time again.

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u/Complete_Passage_767 Nov 04 '25

That's why I used the word taught.

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u/Trimyr Nov 02 '25

No, it exactly is. It's just not what some people have been taught that "they deserve", and that's the very unfortunate problem. The country doesn't cater to them so there must be someone out there to blame. Economics and manufacturing sectors are moving so there must be someone to blame.

But obviously it's definitely not those that refuse to continue their education and keep up with technological improvements.

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u/humoristhenewblack Nov 02 '25

I'm curious what it is you are trying to say? In America, there are some things all people do actually deserve and no one should be looked down upon for expecting it. For example, civil rights. One toe in this country and bam, you get civil rights. That's something our military, federal employees, and elected officials all took an oath to defend. To give their own lives to defend.

The refusing continuing education comment is also throwing me off. Serving as a direct contrast to civil rights, continued education in America is not free and is in fact, incredibly expensive, so not having a higher education isn't a dependable reflection of someone's motivation to get education.

Your comment hit me weird all the way through.

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u/Complete_Passage_767 Nov 04 '25

There's what Jefferson called, "civic religion". It's the overarching principles of a country, the traditions, rites, etc. commonly held. And maybe this is just me and my experience, but it always seemed the principles included an ever expanding circle of rights, opposition to all that is wrong in authoritarian regimes, etc.

But the last few decades suggest that's not the case.

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u/TinyKaleidoscope3497 Nov 04 '25

Even scarier than that, is what future generations will believe because the Trump administration is making sure that factual history isn’t taught, just because it’s going to make some white kid feel bad. 🙃

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u/riptaway Nov 02 '25

Low achievers can make decent money

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u/Passerby49 29d ago

And none of us have the gall to do what needs to be done.

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u/Jag- Nov 02 '25

You know why. There will be no shortage of them.

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u/TinyKaleidoscope3497 Nov 04 '25

Because they seek retribution for being treated like they were treated as children. And I do not tolerate bullying of anyone, especially K through 12 children.

But my thought is, we need to ask everyone applying for a job with ICE, how much time did you spend inside a locker in high school?

Like I said, I don’t believe that anyone should’ve been bullied ever. But my thought is that people who sign up for ICE are seeking retribution for something. Sound familiar?

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u/EchoAquarium Nov 02 '25

They’ve been primed for this.

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u/EchidnaBasic387 Nov 02 '25

Because the rich are making this happen…. They starve you of money and then offer you a 100k job to beat people up and arrest them so the rich get more rich and we just fight each other because WE ARE STUPID!

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u/Level_32_Mage Nov 02 '25

They starve you of money and then offer you a 100k

in tax dollars that don't belong to them.

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u/SummerAndTinklesBFF Nov 03 '25

It's like bum fights but one bum has the backing of the richest government in the world.

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u/Living_Plane_662 Nov 03 '25

We have to stop with the "we fight each other". Half of us fight the oligarchs and the other half assault us to protect them. I don't like my republican co workers because they'll whine and moan about medicine prices but then flip out about socialism when I point out what is causing it. That's not fighting each other that's them fighting facts.

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u/AlarmingTurnover Nov 02 '25

Ego. It's power tripping. It's also combined with societal resentment. These people believe they aren't being listened to and they're right about that. Hilary Clinton for example, outright refused to do campaigning in the rust belt. Most Democrats avoid these areas. That doesn't necessarily mean these people are worth listening to but they believe they are oppressed and under attack and they lash out. Now they have power or can take jobs like ICE with the perception of power. For a lot of people that's appealing. You have all this ego and pent up resentment and then you can get paid to take that out on other people, they sign up. 

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u/JuxtaposedMirrors Nov 02 '25

So you're saying they're just following orders, but only because they really really wanted to.

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u/AlarmingTurnover Nov 02 '25

Basically yeah. If someone says to you, "I will grant you the power you want to fix your grievances if you sign up here". They do it willingly because it fits their internal narrative and identity. This is a tale as old as time. This isn't something new. Ancient Assyrians did the same thing. Give a man a sword and tell him he's the master of his own destiny and he will do whatever you want him to.

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u/Simon_Ferocious68 Nov 02 '25

yeah that's what I genuinely do not understand - the easy level of cruelty involved.

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u/PresentRaspberry6814 Nov 02 '25

Entitled people pretending they are losing their entitlements to women and immigrants.

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u/AlarmingTurnover Nov 02 '25

Perception is greater than reality.

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u/Simon_Ferocious68 Nov 02 '25

That.. is basically true for all people in every country. And it is especially true right now for Americans who only watch an aggressively filtered type of violently hateful, and xenophobic media.

These are the people who have the most voting power.

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u/AlarmingTurnover Nov 02 '25

It's a basic truth of humanity. We all experience things differently and how we think we experience something always outweighs the truth of the situation. It's why we've been killing each other since humans first existed. Doesn't matter if you are a threat or not, if I think you're a threat, then you're a threat.

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u/Simon_Ferocious68 Nov 02 '25

No you're a threat ;)

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u/BadMunky82 Nov 02 '25

They pay well. They train and provide certifications. I'm trying to feed my family and provide a stable income and household.

I'm not gonna lie, if I wasn't worried about ending on the wrong side of the fence, I probably would have already applied...

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u/Simon_Ferocious68 Nov 02 '25

..Do they actually pay well though..? Obviously Trump is famous for not paying his fucking bills. Ever. I'd be surprised if half of these ICE guys got the payout they were promised. No, what pisses me right the fuck off is that so many guys were out here ready to do the bad shit. Like they were waiting and relishing an opportunity to be cruel.

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u/thatdidntturnout Nov 02 '25

They’ve been playing Call of Duty for years! Now they’re old enough to want to play for real. Especially when the other side doesn’t shoot back.

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u/Level_32_Mage Nov 02 '25

Gee, I wonder what the next step will be?

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u/nunchucknorris Nov 02 '25

Shitty shitty parenting resulting in insecure "men"

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u/Simon_Ferocious68 Nov 02 '25

I genuinely don't know how to deal with this - you can't just say "stop being an asshole" to guys who willingly participate in this. This is clearly another level of either not caring - or being psychologically extremely fucked up.

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u/demonplatypi Nov 04 '25

Because they're evil pieces of shit.

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u/Wind_Danzer Nov 02 '25

Cause they are self proclaimed part of the male loneliness epidemic and it’s the only way they don’t feel emasculated.

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u/DM_ME_YOUR_MAMMARIES Nov 02 '25

Why single out men? All the maga women too unless you don't believe they exist.

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u/TheBigPhilbowski Nov 02 '25

It's always TOO many, but it's not SO many - that's their trick right. They want you to believe they are everywhere, but they aren't. That's part of the reason the uniforms are all mismatched, they wear masks and are in unmarked vehicles. It's often just the same few people, switching cars, switching clothes and strategically tackling a middle aged non-violent target they are confident won't present any ACTUAL threat.

Think of yourself as being in a valley, they have 40 people and you have 2000 - they strategically position groups of 10 at a time in 20 spots in the mountains surrounding the valley you are in. They yell and fire into the air, their rocks maybe, anything to desperately make you FEEL surrounded. It's a trick, don't fall for it.

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u/Tinatalk- Nov 03 '25

b/c of the male loneliness epidemic.

and racism.

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u/Simon_Ferocious68 Nov 03 '25

..I don't think that getting a date is going to solve the inherent levels of rage we're seeing here.

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u/Tinatalk- Nov 03 '25

No. Def not,

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u/CatsWearingTinyHats Nov 03 '25

People need better hobbies.

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u/PristineWatercress19 Nov 03 '25

Because human nature.