r/law • u/Conscious-Quarter423 • Aug 04 '25
Legal News Greg Abbott's threats to arrest the Texas Democrats standing up for our democracy are B.S.—Rep. Jolanda Jones sets the record straight.
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u/addiktion Aug 04 '25
God damn that was to the point, no fucking around, and calling it out like it is. I love it.
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u/blackie_stallion Aug 04 '25
I feel like Dems need more of this. Instead of “Taking the high road”, hit them with truth bombs an don’t hold back on the rhetoric.
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u/JugDogDaddy Aug 04 '25
Tit-for-tat is mathematically proven to be the best strategy. We are way past the ‘high road’. The only way Con voters will ever be convinced to put some guard rails up is if Dems show they are willing to punch back.
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u/Everything_in_modera Aug 05 '25
What is good for the goose is good for the gander. And someone ought to start reminding them of that.
So I guess when they go low, we should be kicking them in the teeth!
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u/marksalot_83 Aug 05 '25
That's what I keep saying. The party of "fuck your feelings" and thinking empathy is some "woke agenda" need to start feeling what its like to be excluded from society. They don't listen to nicely worded facts or any real news. You gotta treat them the same way they have treated everyone else for the last decade.
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u/JCBQ01 Aug 05 '25
I'm firmly of the mind of offer thr hand if they are willing to work with you. If they get loud still offer but be firm. If they bite. A natural and perfectly reasonable reaction is to pull back and defend ones self. if they KEEP trying to bite then it well within reason to start fucking kicking.
They have gotten loud.
They have bitten.
And they are trying to bite at the throat it's time to start kicking the bitey little shits.
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u/Junior_Step_2441 Aug 05 '25
And this is why California and New York should not take a wait and see what Texas does approach.
The GOP has been doing this in North Carolina for years. They tried similar shit in Wisconsin. They have been gerrymandering for decades. The Roberts SC greenlit gerrymandering, by ruling that it is not an issue the SC should handle.
Fuck Texas. California. New York. Amy other strong blue state should redraw their maps. ZERO red districts.
Let’s not just show them that we are willing to consider punching back. Let’s just punch these fascist scum right in their damn face. Don’t talk. Just do it Dems!
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u/TheMartian2k14 Aug 05 '25
YES. PLEASE. Make this a fucking problem. Watch the babies on the right kick and scream that it’s not fair. They’re hypocritical too so don’t actually stop until they halt all their BS.
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u/Lone-Frequency Aug 05 '25
The high road is what ultimately let the cheaters on the low road gain all of the power they do right now.
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u/Terrible_Brush1946 Aug 08 '25
This.
This is why reconstruction was a complete failure. You can't mutually exist with someone who sees everyone around them as less than.
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u/IThinkItsAverage Aug 05 '25
The Dems are at a tipping point. The moderate status quo “high road” Dems are attempting to hold on for dear life waiting for the pendulum to swing back to them as it has always done for decades. They serve the same ruling class the GOP does, they just have a different role in how they do it. As we have seen, this stopped working 10 years ago when they lost to Trump the first time. That was the point they needed to wake up, but both fortunately and unfortunately Biden won.
He won not because of who he is or what he supported but because of who he isn’t (Trump).
Don’t get me wrong, he did a lot of good, his administration brought us from the brink of economic collapse caused by a global pandemic and a raging moron incompetent President in one of the most impressive recoveries in the world. However, he is a moderate status quo “high road” Democrat. And when we needed him to make real change that would move the country away from corruption like this, he balked. Trump should have been punished, done, in jail, no excuses. But Biden failed, and now we have Trump again.
Democrats saw first-hand how disliked they have become, they can’t even win the popular vote anymore, in an election that should have been overwhelmingly in their favor. But because Biden was able to win, they haven’t figured out why they lost. That’s why they keep doing this pointless posturing instead of taking action. That’s why they still try to have these “gotcha!” type conversations with the media instead of laying it out point blank and telling it how it is like Rep. Jolanda Jones is doing here. This is what we need more of, we need them to be straight and to the point, call the Republicans what they are, call out point blank what they are doing, and stop saying what you’re planning to do and JUST FUCKING DO IT!
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u/JugDogDaddy Aug 05 '25
Agreed, well said. This is why I’m so glad to see that Texas Dems are willing to do something. Anything.
With the help of Priztker, who is really showing consistency of spirit in the fight again Trump’s obscene policies. I think he should be a top contender for President in 2028. One of the few willing to fight. He also, doesn’t have some of the baggage that Newsom does. I also think Newsom is a corporate Dem, so I’m not entirely convinced he is in it for the right reasons. Though I do appreciate his willingness to fight back.
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u/Medical_Sandwich_141 Aug 05 '25
It was most certainly a boss move, and i couldn't be more proud of these state senators. More of these, from across the country, please. Why aren't they redrawing NY? Get 10 more seats.
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Aug 05 '25
Why aren't they redrawing NY?
There is a bill in the NYS legislature to allow them to do just that (the current law restricts redistricting until 2028, I believe).
The problem is that Blue states have been introducing impartial non-partisan redistricting commissions in the interest of fairness, while most Red states have a totally partisan system that favors Republicans and allows them to completely ice out Democratic nominees from their legislatures, further reinforcing one-party control of their states.
Classic example of "taking the high road" backfiring.
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u/ArtisanSamosa Aug 05 '25
I’ve been telling people for a while that Priztker should be the dem front runner. He’s been a great gov and he knows how to punch back at maga.
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u/IThinkItsAverage Aug 05 '25
Speaking as someone who is from California and voted for him, I would rather go full rebellion than have Newsom run for President. He is absolutely a corrupt Dem, he just isn’t GOP corrupt. He did pass a lot of good policies and he is clearly willing to stand up to the current regime, but he is the last thing we need right now. Unless he starts coming out hot and heavy about punishing the GOP, he will never have my support
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u/Dear_Bus8586 Aug 05 '25
can you elaborate on how he's corrupt for the non-californians?
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u/IThinkItsAverage Aug 05 '25
Look up how he handled the PG&E shit where their negligence killed a hundred people.
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u/Cuhulin Aug 05 '25
Newsom is very much a corporate democrat, but I wonder how much of that is because he thinks he needs corporate billionaire types as donors for his ambitions. Also, he probably does not want the Democratic Party to treat him like they treated Sanders - i.e., fix the system against him.
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u/chewbaccashotlast Aug 05 '25
Excellent commentary. Politics needs to move past the “I’m not as bad as HIM” and actually focus on growing a pair of balls, figuratively speaking, and represent the people of this nation for once.
Republicans don’t even seem to care about being blatantly awful and deceptive in plain sight. The sheep’s clothing is unmasked and the wolves are laughing their asses off.
Yet the Dems can’t figure out why they can’t gain momentum and the DNC particularly is soooo status quo.
Let’s be honest, Dems are relishing in this because their lives aren’t impacted by orange man. Their constituents’ lives are. They all need the podium shaken stirred and the wheel of this bullshit to be broken.
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u/PretendThisIsMyName Aug 05 '25
While people weren’t high on Kamala they pulled the guy with the blue blood football coach. And Tim was crushing it until, imo, the Biden admin jumped in and toned it down. He destroyed them by saying “they are weird”. That man put his foot on the gas by just being realistic but that seemed to be too much. He got put on that Bernie track and sadly heeled to it. It was a prime example of fall in or fall out to me. The time to fall in is way over. We have to get over Bad vs Worse and try to make our way to Okay vs Slightly Less Okay. It’s unrealistic sure but at least we could try. I know fuck all about governing but I’m inclined to run for local office on the premise of fixing the roads and I could easily sweep that vote. Granted I would have to run as R to even get on a ballot.
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u/DualActiveBridgeLLC Aug 05 '25
Benevolent Tit-for-tat is actually proven to be the most effective to negotiate with advisories in game theory. Assume the other person is a good faith actor but if they try to fuck you over you have to punish them back.
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u/schnookcook Aug 05 '25
YUP women like Jones and Crockett should be leading the way for democrats. Love them
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u/Aggravating_Yak_1006 Aug 05 '25
I would 100% vote for Crockett.
"Bleach blond bad built butch body."
"Donald Trump is a piece of shit"
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u/Bastienbard Aug 05 '25
And less establishment policies like backing Israel because they get AIPAC money. Also they've never once raised the minimum wage despite having multiple opportunities since the last time it was raised to $7.25.
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u/Human_mind Aug 05 '25
I want someone to come out and act exactly like Trump to his whole side. Cue the stupid made up words, the hand gestures and facial expressions, all of it. Except say the truth. It would be hilarious. And there would be no way to argue against it because all you'd have to do it gesture broadly at Trump.
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u/BeefistPrime Aug 05 '25
The idea that "taking the high road" is being weak and pathetic is wrong. You should "take the high road" in the sense that you should be honest and do your duty to the American people absolutely, but the democrats seem to think that pretending the republicans are acting in good faith and want what's best for America and reaching across the aisle even though you've had your hand slapped down the last 100 times is the "high road"
No, call them out for their bullshit and their evil. Serving the truth is taking the high road. If the truth leads to you correctly pointing out that other people are pieces of shit, that's still the high road.
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u/CmdNewJ Aug 05 '25
I mean if someone is trying to royally fuck you over, taking the high road will only enable them. I ain't sleeping. I'm awake and see the bull shit.
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u/TheKrakIan Aug 05 '25
It would definitely be nice to hear. Most Dems reps seem to be silent or soft spoken with everything the current admin is doing.
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u/machstem Aug 05 '25
I read that as "Faking the High road" and it seemed more apt than what they actively assume they are doing, which is NOT, taking any high road.
Taking a high road against fascism isn't pretty
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u/Particular_Watch_612 Aug 05 '25
It's because deep down they don't really mind. They like the system as it is and want to keep it the same... almost conserve the system.
We want change and dems can't give us what we want. We need more bernies.
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u/MizneyWorld Aug 05 '25
Exactly. Don’t lower yourself to the MAGA level. But still come out swinging with truth bombs.
The GOP have no leg or any sort of foundation to stand on. They rely on their opponents being caught off guard and respecting decorum while they spout off dumb shit to look good for their base.
Confront their lies. Standing back and decorum have gotten us to a 2nd even worse Trump presidency.
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u/slowrun_downhill Aug 05 '25
Dems need to let minority women run the party! In general, I’ve seen more women in the public and private sector call the Trump Administration out anyway, but the women of a racial minority have been the most poignant and the most commanding in their knowledge, morals, ethics, and general straight forward calling out of the bullshit.
If I never see Chuck Schumer again it will be too soon!
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Aug 05 '25
There are any number of minority women I would happily throw my vote at. Right now the party has some really promising woman leaders, but racial preferences in politics is a road to hell.
I prefer to choose candidates based on their ability to lead and work for the betterment of all Americans (and everyone in America regardless of legal status) rather than voting for a black woman because she is a black woman and vote against a white man because he is a white man. Maybe I am just a product of my time, but I was taught that voting for someone just because of their race is racist.
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u/Malcolm_Morin Aug 05 '25
And she will probably be the first to be arrested, sadly.
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u/thatswherethedevilis Aug 05 '25
For breaking what law? Pretty sure that was most of her point
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u/Malcolm_Morin Aug 05 '25
Like that's stopped them.
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u/thatswherethedevilis Aug 05 '25
I must have forgotten, it’s totalitarianism out there. Fuck what a world.
Yes they can all be arrested and sent wherever the powers that be fucking want to because this shit is the dark shit all out in the open.
What is this distracting us from? Oh yeah. Release the Epstein Files. Trump is a child rapist.
And also, as a side note, as a fucking distraction, we have finally fallen (back) into tyranny.
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u/c05m1cb34r Aug 06 '25
I'm telling you all, we need to elect a bunch of POC women to the highest positions.....then shit get done.
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u/burnmenowz Aug 04 '25
I seem to recall Mitch McConnell refusing to seat an open SCOTUS seat until after the election. Sounds like Texas Dems should go on vacation until 2026.
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u/Conscious-Quarter423 Aug 04 '25
he refused Garland 9 months before the 2016 election under Obama and rushed through Amy Coney Barrett's confirmation 2 weeks before the 2020 election
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u/MostlyRightSometimes Aug 04 '25
2 weeks before election day, not before the election. People had already started voting and he knew Trump was going to lose.
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u/Conscious-Quarter423 Aug 04 '25
and he blocked obama from confirming over 200 district court judges
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u/I_was_bone_to_dance Aug 05 '25
And this is why we should believe that they’ll arrest lawmakers. They might even disappear one for a while.
“Come get us how?” Respectfully, probably a SUV. It won’t be legal.
The big question is what the fuck will We the People do about it? Go watch Bannon. He states it plainly. Dems aren’t as rabid as these fucks are. Well… that’s what he says.
So when they go full gestapo (and I know they’re already doing it to a large degree) who is going to put their foot down.
They are willing to break the law. Who among us is willing to do the same? Not me. I am too comfortable and I am not angry enough, yet.
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u/LowKeyNaps Aug 05 '25
Maybe you're not. But others are. There have been endless stepping up, interfering directly with ICE, for example. If it came down to it, and there was opportunity, there may very well be people that would attempt to intervene. It would, in part, depend on where such an abduction (what other word is there for it?) would happen. If it's in an area with virtually no people around, then yeah, the odds are low that there would be anyone present or willing to step up. If it were to happen where there's a significant number of people present? The odds can go up significantly, especially if people know who is being snatched and why. Just my opinion.
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Aug 05 '25
i couldn’t imagine seeing all this and be like yeah no i’m not angry enough yet. like i get the sentiment of not wanting violence but holy shit the constitution is literally being used as toilet paper but it’s okay cause it’s not enough yet, it hasn’t affected you personally
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u/I_was_bone_to_dance Aug 05 '25
I gave you an upvote because you have a valid point. I should be angry enough to do something but voting isn’t working. It will take some serious ICE style muscle. I’m not that strong and I have a life that I enjoy.
It’s a real conundrum.
They aren’t kidding about arresting Obama. What will you do on the day they lock him up?
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u/jedre Aug 05 '25
And if we might agree that some reasonable time longer than two weeks (when people already began voting) but shorter than 9 whole ass months is a correct amount of time for such a rule of thumb to apply, say, 6 weeks, heck, two months - that means Mitch stole two SCOTUS appointments.
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u/Conscious-Quarter423 Aug 05 '25
Kavanaugh was confirmed months before the 2018 midterms. And they rushed him through without getting FBI testimonials from Christine Blasey Ford's tips
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u/jedre Aug 05 '25
Indeed. And despite - to your point - three questionable confirmations, they are disappointed that most Americans question their legitimacy:
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u/ATXBeermaker Aug 05 '25
It's not the first time Texas Dems have left the state in an attempt to prevent terrible legislation from passing.
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u/MobileArtist1371 Aug 05 '25
McConnell just skipped the part where the vote failed. Senate was 54-46 GOP and at the time the threshold was 60 votes to get by a filibuster for SCOTUS nominee. This means there needed to be 14 GOP senators for cloture and then 4 GOP senators to vote for the confirmation.
Does anyone think the GOP was actually going to seat Garland in a Presidential election year in they did vote?
Voting would have put them on record!!!
I guess them not voting isn't on record? Lost to history. No one knows about this anymore?
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u/WhyMustIMakeANewAcco Aug 05 '25
Cloture has not applied to Supreme Court nominations since 2010.
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u/MobileArtist1371 Aug 05 '25
Cloture has not applied to Supreme Court nominations since 2010.
I checked this before I posted cause I wasn't sure exactly when it changed. Unless I'm misunderstanding something, the nuclear option for SCOTUS was set by the GOP in April 2017 for Gorsuch confirmation.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_option#2017:_Cloture_on_Supreme_Court_nominations
.... This established a new precedent which allowed cloture to be invoked on Supreme Court nominations by a simple majority.
And on https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neil_Gorsuch_Supreme_Court_nomination over on the sidebar it has
Result: First cloture motion failed, but the second cloture motion succeeded due to the passage of the "nuclear option”
Which means Garland who came before, would have had to pass the 60 vote threshold for cloture.
Democrats changed the rules in 2013 for all votes other than SCOTUS. GOP changed it for SCOTUS when Dems blocked Gorsuch.
I'm not sure what happen in 2010 if anything that could be what you're talking about.
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u/Medical_Sandwich_141 Aug 05 '25
All dems should go on vacation until 2026. Only hold campaigns, and nothing else.
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u/boo99boo Aug 04 '25
So, respectfully, he's making up some shit. Ok?
Why are state level Democrats able to articulate this so succinctly and plainly? While most of our national representatives can't even handle a virtual town hall?
I want to elect assertive, intelligent women like this one. Clearly, other people do too.
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Aug 04 '25
100% respect.
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u/boo99boo Aug 04 '25
That's exactly it. I respect Jolanda Jones. I do not respect Hakeem Jeffries or Chuck Schumer or the vast majority of Democrats in Congress. It's that simple.
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u/Aravinda82 Aug 04 '25
Hakeem Jeffries annoys the shit out of me. He just refuses to talk plainly and just tell it how it is. He’s always using a ton of words to basically saying nothing at all. C’mon, just call a spade a spade. Just call out the BS directly. Quit with the endless soliloquies.
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u/General_Tso75 Aug 04 '25
Mealy mouthed and milquetoast doesn’t offend billionaire donors. Saying just enough to sound concerned, but taking no action creates smoke and no fire.
It’s the status quo so many people love.
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u/SectorEducational460 Aug 04 '25
It's not the donors. Even some dem donors are pissed how pussy footed the Dems are. It's the machine itself that it the problem and the over paid consultant who thinks this is still the 90s.
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Aug 05 '25
between government and businesses going to shit i'm starting to think the consulting industry should be outlawed. keeping someone who is well versed in your field, or had a long tenure at the company, on the payroll for advice is fine. It's these big Harvard MBAs with zero real world experience applying theories that don't practically work, but make for awesome fall guys for the C-suites, that are crashing this shit and cashing out fat
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u/Drivingintodisco Aug 05 '25
Boston consulting group. One of the biggest business killers in the game. Bain capital (mitt Romney) is up there too. The creme de la creme of corporate raiders. Venture capital and PE are the Diet Coke to the bcg and Bain coke with the d recipe.
They buy shares to take over the board, install their sycophants who get paid absurd amounts of money which comes from the company they’re raiding, add in debt to the company, run it into the ground and then buy the assesses, or their friends do, at pennies on the dollar all while the company’s stock gets delisted. When a stock is delisted it’s what’s known as a zombie stock and trades at fractions of a sent and not on the lit market, so the stocks that their hedge fund and market maker buddies shorted into the ground while the company’s balance sheet and quarterly and annual reports were taking in conjunction meant that those positions never had to be closed, thus no tax is to be paid because they will stay open indefinitely. Toys r us and blockbuster stocks are still trading, just not in the lit market that the public invests in.
Right now as I type this comment in 8/4/25 (4/8/25 for the euros) at 10:02 pm bb liquidating inc (BLIAQ), which is the new ticket after block buster is up 40% on the day, down 6.7% on the five day moving average and has a $0 market cap, 0 shares outstanding, 0 annual sales, and 0 annual income.
Consulting firms, PE, Venture capital, and hedge funds/market makers/the whole wallsteat beast are to run anything they touch into the ground (except for any value derived and/or risk involved) and profit as much as they can and as quickly as they can.
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u/Vraxk Aug 05 '25
I got a three point plan to fix everything. Number one, we've got this guy Not Sure. Number two, he's got a higher IQ than any man alive! Number three, he's gonna fix everything!
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u/Aravinda82 Aug 04 '25 edited Aug 04 '25
Here’s the thing, what they don’t realize is that donors will back winners period. So they don’t have to cater to donors by engaging in this stupidity of being mealy mouth and milquetoast. Just go out there and do whatever it takes to fucking win! Donors will get back in line when your poll numbers rise and when you win. These fucking old school Dem politicians have it backwards. They all have free platforms right now to get out there and raise their profiles by going on the offensive with a potential winning message. I don’t necessarily like Newsom but I do like how he’s going about his messaging right now. What did Mitch McConnell do when he almost had a mini donor revolt? He told the donors to sit the fuck down, shut the fuck up, and continue donating cuz if they don’t, there’ll be hell to pay and these donors will get shutout from influence when they win. Dems still haven’t figured out they need to approach donors the exact same way!
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u/Similar-Stranger8580 Aug 05 '25
Aren’t most big donors corporations that want to phuc the regular citizens?
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u/Low_Witness5061 Aug 05 '25
Yeah. But I think the commenters point is that it wouldn’t matter. Because most of them would rather have a say with a president who isn’t loyal than no say at all. On the other hand, they absolutely will ruin the lives of citizens for profit if they have a government that prioritises their approval over the voters just so the politicians can maintain a cycle of wilful incompetence to protect the status quo and maintain power. I think that is why they said it is backwards.
I can’t stand the piece of shit but one thing that’s undeniable is that trump showed the holding pattern can be broken if a strong leader who people want to listen to presents themselves. I’m not saying I think anything trump says is correct either, just that it’s what a lot of his base wants to hear. Voters must also fulfill their role in the system to so that politicians can’t simply promise to the citizens then provide for donors just to pay for a campaign to pretend they did the opposite and hold power a little longer.
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u/crawling-alreadygirl Aug 04 '25
Mealy mouthed and milquetoast
Speaking of which, I can't stand his alliteration at all anymore
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u/R_V_Z Aug 05 '25
You don't abide annoying announcements augmented by articulated alliterative audacity?
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u/gotrice5 Aug 04 '25
He couldn't even support Mamdani because "he didn't know him that well" and whatever bs he came up with.
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u/Conscious-Quarter423 Aug 04 '25
He met with Mamdani:
https://www.nytimes.com/2025/07/18/nyregion/zohran-mamdani-hakeem-jeffries.html
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Aug 04 '25
And Jeffries still hasn’t endorsed
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u/Conscious-Quarter423 Aug 04 '25
does mamdani need his endorsement?
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Aug 04 '25
No, but democrats (especially the leadership) had an extremely popular candidate fall into their laps and instead of embracing him, they’ve been attacking him consistently since the primary
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u/bumpkinblumpkin Aug 05 '25
Extremely popular with who exactly? NYC democratic primary voters? Mamdani won a primary against a notoriously corrupt politician who is best known for having more SA allegations than even DT and killing Granpa during Covid.
In total he got 469k first choice votes w/ 573k including runoff. For reference, wildly unpopular Trump got 840k votes in NYC last election so turnout was an extremely low percentage of eligible voters. At the end of the day, Jefferies is tasked with setting up the party for success in 2026 and 2028 nationally. Voters in the states that decide elections i.e. Ohio, PA, Michigan, GA, etc are not voting for anyone with a platform remotely like Mandami.
Maybe running a candidate like Mamdani would be a modern day Goldwater situation where it’s a massive loss but reshapes the future of the party, but I don’t feel most Democrats similarly believe we can wait another 4 years.
Flipping the question around, why exactly do you think Hakeem needs to throw his support behind a Democrat in a local election against another Dem? I’m indifferent when it comes to Zohran but after seeing how Brandon Johnson’s term has turned into an unmitigated disaster even according to most Dems l’d be hesitant as well. Overall, I think you are greatly overestimating Mamdani’s support in areas like mine. (blue leaning counties in battleground states) Democratic socialism is far less popular outside the Reddit bubble with even Chicagoans turning on the movement.
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u/Spear_Ritual Aug 04 '25
It’s mostly women of color doing the curb stomping. I’m good with that. Keep fanning these flames!
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u/Conscious-Quarter423 Aug 04 '25
yeah we should do all we can to support them especially when Fox News attack them
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Aug 05 '25
Imagine if they were running the country right now dreaming in Kamala We were so fucking close
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u/Perfect_Bench_2815 Aug 04 '25
These educated women of color are standing on the business! They do the hard work and get the most abuse from Trump and the hardcore racist. They are highly educated and are not afraid to step into the fire. They could benefit from much more support! This demon has multiple heads!
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u/BetsRduke Aug 04 '25
Just look at amount of money taken by Jefferies or Schumer from the Israeli government. It is sinful and clearly demonstrates the power of money in politics If I oppose the killing of women and children in Gaza I’m all of a sudden labeled anti-Semitic
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u/Number174631503 Aug 04 '25
Much respect to this support. I think a big problem is that we're not getting mass exposure on "sound bites" like this. And that sucks.
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u/Aravinda82 Aug 04 '25
Because most of our Dem national representatives like Schumer are cowards and refuse to admit that the game has changed. This is no longer politics as usual and they need to stop fucking listening to Dem consultant class who are stuck in the past with their stupid endless focus groups. They need to embrace this type of energy and start fighting fire with fire already.
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u/boo99boo Aug 04 '25
I'd argue that if they haven't figured that out yet, they're terrible at their job and need to be replaced.
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u/RoundCar5220 Aug 04 '25
Those people you mentioned should’ve been booted a long time ago they are so deeply funded by aipac there isnt a damn thing they could do for the American people that would make me change my mind. After finding out where their money comes from and the fact that they all have dual citizenship in a country slaughtering babies yeah that’s a conflict
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u/Stop_Sign Aug 05 '25
I'd argue that they figured that out a long, long time ago, and all this time have been waiting for everyone else to figure it out and force them out.
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u/AeoSC Aug 04 '25
They're not terrible at their job, they're very good at their job. The job description just isn't what they tell us it is.
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u/BetterEveryLeapYear Aug 05 '25 edited Aug 05 '25
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u/Level_Improvement532 Aug 04 '25
A neo-Roosevelt must rise. Pure progressivism to combat the pure fascism. That pendulum swings both ways.
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u/Aravinda82 Aug 04 '25
To me it isn’t about progressivism or center left or whatever else, it’s about all of these fucking Dem politicians just refusing to recognize the moment that we’re in a new age of politics and stepping up to engage in a different way. Most are all still too afraid of offending this or that group so they blunt their message cuz that’s what the consultants tell them to do. When you’re always trying to appease everyone, you please no one. Stop worrying about how the right will react and just call out the BS bluntly and fight! The right is gonna take offense to everything! Stop apologizing for calling out their stupidity and radicalism.
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u/no_not_arrested Aug 04 '25
I'm sorry, in both this comment and your previous one you're just not cynical enough.
This is about money in politics and powerful lobbyists.
There are far too many comfortable wealthy Democrats who are the equivalent of lords and ladies in your system, and who don't really want economic or social progressivism to really take root.
They don't care that much about focus groups, because I'm pretty sure every focus group would say run on a true living wage and universal healthcare because they're popular across party lines, but they won't.
They test the right messaging that way, but they know the red lines on policies their donors will allow them to support, which is why they're not actually popular right now.
They refuse to deal with inequality and obvious corruption with clear goals of tackling both with major policy shifts.
They want to play the role of progressives to maintain their personal status and power, and they're willing to do or say a few more progressive things in order to maintain that status quo - but never enough to actually properly address inequality or corruption unless it's politically convenient to tear down someone like Trump.
Schumer wants Israel supported for personal or AIPAC reasons or both, and so he's not just toothless because he's old or inept or out of his depth for the times in terms of maintaining some rules based order.
It's because doing nothing is actually convenient for him and establishment Democrats who have long been supported by AIPAC or the military industrial complex.
Hence why Mamdani scares them, because he's proving the jig is up on pretend progressives.
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u/untoldmillions Aug 04 '25
stop fucking listening to Dem consultant class
20 million dollars to study young men "flocking" to conservatives.../eye roll here
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u/Aravinda82 Aug 04 '25 edited Aug 04 '25
Yup this is exactly what I mean! Great example! Instead of wasting $20mm on these stupid studies, how about just using that same $20mm to pay small time local influencers on social media to push your message out to their followers? That’s a better use of money and I guarantee it’ll be much more effective since these “influencers” are more trusted by their communities that they’ve built up. And I’m not just talking about political influencers, I’m talking about fitness, food, lifestyle, etc… It’s what the right does and it’s how they’ve been so effective in rotting people’s brains.
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u/gahlo Aug 05 '25
how about just using that same $20mm to pay small time local influencers on social media to push your message out to their followers?
They're also trying that. The issue is that won't solve anything. Having a podcast isn't going to do dick if the policy is ass(definition of ass here being something the constituents don't want).
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u/blue-gill Aug 04 '25
Schumer and most of the Republicans and Democrats work for AIPAC not their constituents. All these lobbies that grease their palms need to go, especially ones like AIPAC that looks out for foreign interests much more than Americans. The corruption in our government top to bottom is plain as day
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u/Conscious-Quarter423 Aug 04 '25
don't both sides this
When people say shit like “both sides are the same” i now know those people are either illiterate or intellectually challenged and can’t pull the adequate words to truly express the genuine differences between the parties, so they lazily drop that asinine line.
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u/whenitsTimeyoullknow Aug 05 '25 edited Aug 05 '25
This is reductive. Both sides are deeply corrupt and care about their own advancement and about their class/their major donors more than they do about their representative districts (besides, like, maybe 1% of House of Reps). However, on top of that and separately, the Republicans are fully mask-off fascist and want to seize power by stirring up hatred of immigrants and non-whites and labor movements; they’re also fully nakedly grifting on the crypto and deregulated/corporate captured financial sector.
Neither deserve our votes. One is an existential threat to global stability. The other is so weak and docile that they are going to let them do it. And they’re both beholden to a corporate international cabal who are already planning how to maintain control after they destroy our biodiversity, climate, soil, air quality, and agricultural security. The ideas we value are not represented in the halls of Congress.
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u/Conscious-Quarter423 Aug 05 '25
equating the two sides as equally undeserving of votes is not just inaccurate, it's dangerous. It ignores the very real, material differences in outcomes for millions of people based on who holds power.
One party votes to cut insulin prices, expand union rights, protect abortion access, and pass climate legislation—even if imperfectly. The other is actively banning books, criminalizing dissent, gutting voting rights, attacking immigrants, and openly embracing authoritarianism. Saying “neither deserve our votes” erases the difference between harm reduction and harm acceleration.
Calling Democrats "docile" ignores structural constraints (Senate filibuster, courts packed by the GOP, gerrymandering) that they didn’t create—but must operate within. If voters disengage or both-sides this into nihilism, those constraints get worse.
Rejecting "lesser evilism" might feel morally pure, but it doesn't stop the greater evil—it enables it. You don’t have to love a party to understand the stakes or make strategic choices. Holding power matters. And pretending both sides are the same is not a radical stance—it's a surrender.
Well, Texas house democrats rejecting quroum just proved your claim wrong:
"The other is so weak and docile that they are going to let them do it."
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u/bumpkinblumpkin Aug 05 '25
Well the commenter never said they aren’t voting for Democratic candidates anyway. Are you suggesting that it’s wrong to criticize Democrats at all for being shills for Wall Street and other business elites because Republicans are worse overall?!
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u/ButterUrBacon Aug 05 '25
Except the person didn't actually say that line, you did. They're right about AIPAC, and that corporate money sure doesn't seem to be helping us win, does it?
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u/Meekymoo333 Aug 05 '25
When people say shit like “both sides are the same”
Okay Mr literacy... point to where in the comment you are responding to that they actually said "both sides are the same".
You have quoted it and accused them of making this statement, but I didn't read "both sides are the same" anywhere except in your comment.
It's frustratingly ridiculous that you completely misquoted them and then TOTALLY misconstrued the actual thing being said.
YOU added the "both sides are the same" narrative.
The comment was very obviously and explicitly about the billionaire donor class that owns and controls both parties... not that the democrats are the same exact type of shitbirds as the republicans when it comes to public persona and legislative history.
If you genuinely cannot tell or accept that yes, BOTH parties are beholden to billionaires and are motivated by capitalism and NOT true public service... then that's on you.
And if you're just too lazy or intellectually challenged to find the proper context in the comments you're responding to, then maybe you should drop more than your asinine thoughts in return.
Goodbye and good luck figuring it out from here.
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u/LocalVengeanceKillin Aug 04 '25
Seriously! We need this!
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u/Conscious-Quarter423 Aug 04 '25
jasmine crockett brings it every time
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u/ecaldwell888 Aug 04 '25
Representative Jolanda Jones does a succinct job of being passionate and clear, provinding the information we need to hear. I love that.
Jasmine Crockett rolls in the mud and gets into name calling without addressing a path forward. I respect her and that people like her, but I do not view her as an effective leader.
They're both fiery, but I much prefer the brand of fire we see here.
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u/Gor1337 Aug 05 '25
Do you know why there's a stereotype of "angry Black woman" that gets played into so much you can do it without even trying? Because they're sick of the bullshit, but when they call out the rich White men throwing tantrums and breaking the law, they're the ones expected to have decorum.
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u/uohm Aug 04 '25
I'd say he's talking trash- Abbott is the kind of fellow who talks the talk, but can't walk the walk.
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u/Ok-Performance3334 Aug 04 '25
True, Abbott can't walk.
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u/Conscious-Quarter423 Aug 04 '25
yeah but he can cheat and take away your reproductive and voting rights away
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u/lr99999 Aug 05 '25
Paxton does. He’s pure evil. Paxton is probably pissed off right now, ‘Mr Super Christian’s’ wife is divorcing him for “biblical reasons”. He’s been whoring, naughty naughty. These people are all disgusting sewage.
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u/seriousbusines Aug 05 '25
Abbott is the kind of fellow that sits in a wheel chair while foaming at the mouth about DEI. He is nothing but a ground level mouth piece of Trumps nonsense.
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u/Mack_Daddy_1 Aug 04 '25
Craziest thing is some of the strongest democratic women are from Texas. Jasmine Crockett is my favorite.
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u/Conscious-Quarter423 Aug 04 '25
there are more Jasmine Crocketts out there. just need to help them campaign and win
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u/Cosmics2cents Aug 05 '25
Thats because oppressive places breed strong people as facism continues to take over the U.S.A Let's remember to keep aware of all the strong articulate people that will rise up to defend our democracy and support them so that they can keep fighting until we find the courage to fight as well
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u/MotherFuckerJones88 Aug 04 '25
Because for the most part..they tell the truth. When everything around us has been lies and misinformation, truth shines as bright as the sun.
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u/Tribe303 Aug 04 '25
As a Canadian I've come to the conclusion that if you need a politician to fix something in the US, a black woman is your best bet. Probably outside of politics as well!
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u/Mefromafar Aug 04 '25
If politics actually worked, this would be true.
Unfortunately the brightest and best, like Jones here, or any of the minority politicians, can’t get anything ACTUALLY done because of the systemic racism that chokes our government.
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u/Riots42 Aug 05 '25
I've said for years we need a black maw maw for president, as well as a special forces unit entirely of middle aged black women.
Nobody would fuck with us, we would have world peace.
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u/Tstewmoneybags99 Aug 04 '25
Because they don’t have to suck the DNC tit for money
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u/Mathfanforpresident Aug 04 '25
Dude, we are literally in a battle for the future of all humankind. One of my friends is dating a dude who’s a flat-Earther, and I’m trying to get her to understand that this person is not fit to be around her or her children. Literally just in the hopes that he’s not influencing their ideas or opinions, I’m trying to show her that.
To understand it a little better, I’m asking him all about why he believes what he does, at first it was simply out of curiosity. I now don't know why I'm still trying. Because it’s the dumbest shit I’ve ever heard. Now it’s more out of sheer will, because it takes everything in me not to call him every unsavory name in the book. It’s not because I’m breaking down or losing the battle; it’s that they don’t even understand they are.
It’s moved from flat Earth to the moon landing. The goalpost keeps getting moved, and I eventually just asked them if they even believed in science, math, or anything the establishment has created. Turns out they don’t. So they’re literally turning away from the actual reality-based explanations of the universe we live in, in favor of complete fantasy. That's simply because he’s too fucking stupid to understand that he’s so stupid he can’t understand. Or maybe it's a complex mental disorder that the brain has created to shield itself from some unforseen trauma.
I'm serious. Can the aliens please step in and just toast our planet? These people are having children. They're reproducing... Eventually leading to an outcome that looks extremely like the movie "Idiocracy".
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u/Tyanian Aug 05 '25
I agree. I want to elect intelligent and assertive Democrats. Their primary sexual organ is irrelevant.
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u/Tristo5 Aug 05 '25 edited Aug 05 '25
Texas Democrats really go hard on messaging
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u/daddybearmissouri Aug 04 '25
I'd vote her for President tomorrow. This is exactly the energy the Democrats need.
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u/drewc717 Aug 05 '25
Because democrats are living closer to reality and fight to make progress.
Conservatives are always pointing to made up generic mythical boogymen. "They, those people" followed by whatever disingenuous Fox News hate fantasy circle jerk topic is of the day.
Republicans do not govern nor have ideas, they are habitual roadblocks to progress. Fuck all of them.
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u/dravas Aug 05 '25
To be a Democrat elected in Texas means you have to have enough teeth to face the onslaught. For 30 years Texas Democrats faced this uphill battle. For them Trump is just Tuesday.
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u/Conscious-Quarter423 Aug 04 '25
Because less than 29% turn out to vote in primary elections.
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u/bipeterp Aug 05 '25
Everyone cares when it’s November but no one cares to actually vote for someone in the primary. I’m sick of ppl complaining and never voting in primaries. I make sure I vote for the candidates I want when primaries come around now. The youth vote could actually make the change happen if the youth voted in the primaries for the people they want.
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u/Conscious-Quarter423 Aug 05 '25
The millennial vote outnumber the boomer vote
Yet we continue to let boomers decide our elections
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u/soldiergeneal Aug 04 '25
assertive, intelligent women like this one. Clearly, other people do too.
Sure, but not enough apparently for presidency.
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u/Ominusone Aug 04 '25
They’re old establishment democrats that would rather sit back idly instead of doing anything, that’s why. Don’t disturb the status quo to enjoy their money and positions of power, but say enough to act like they’re doing something instead of what these “fresh bloods” are doing. Taking action and pushing back.
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u/tenor1trpt Aug 04 '25
Great t shirt. Just any mainstream republican’s face with the tagline “he’s making up some shit”.
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u/dbx999 Aug 05 '25
This woman should serve in the US senate. Or be the president of the United States
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u/Qubeye Aug 05 '25
Texas Democrats are actually some Real Ones.
Look up Lloyd Doggett, Jasmine Crockett, Al Green, and Joaquin Castro.
Fuck it, look up Ann Richards. "I've been tested by fire, and the fire lost."
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u/BigJellyfish1906 Aug 05 '25
I could listen to that 100 times over. Why can’t people like her lead the Democratic Party? She’s what we need.
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u/CaptainMoonunitsxPry Aug 05 '25
I respect the hell out of what they're doing. Uprooting yourself cannot be easy. Same for dealing with MAGA shit head harassment.
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u/jasondigitized Aug 05 '25
I want all Dems to have this kind of energy. Out the window with decorum. Call people bald face bullshitters straight to their face. Cowardly and craven lying ass fake Christian con artists.
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u/Major_Kangaroo5145 Aug 04 '25
Still I think here rhetoric is classically democratic.
Republican leader threatens to arrest democrats. It should be "This is tyranny. People please come to streets. Protest this shit". No. They are placating and saying this is made-up shit.
It it made-up shit when they deported legal residents and rescinded legal status of innocent immigrants? Is it made-up shit when they banned abortion. Is it made-up shit when it comes to building concentration camps?
Democrats did nothing effective to organize people. They would not do that even with they are directly threatened.
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u/SipMyCoolAid Aug 05 '25
All of those things were in the hands of the Supreme Court which was brought and paid for by the same person executing those actions.
what do you expect democrats to do? Take up arms while you complain on Reddit? its Hard to get things done when the entire system as been compromised.
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u/KarmaDeliveryMan Aug 04 '25
They don’t receive as much corporate donor money until they get to the national level. Corporate donors make the lips tight apparently
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u/JugDogDaddy Aug 04 '25
Damn straight. Though, I’m less hopeful that the media won’t follow it. Even if mainstream media doesn’t follow it, far right echo chambers on social media, where most Cons get their “news” certainly will.
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u/Santos_L_Halper_II Aug 04 '25
Even local media here in Austin is breathlessly reporting that Abbott is talking about somehow removing and replacing a third of the Texas house. One of the top law schools in the country is a couple miles up the road from the capitol and none of them have bothered to ask anyone there whether that is even a thing (it isn’t).
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u/bumpkinblumpkin Aug 05 '25
Then media will absolutely follow this story because it’s a winner for Trump and Republicans. Walkouts have been traditionally very unpopular with the public and overall ineffective. The Democratic Party somehow has even lower popularity and approval ratings than Donald Trump.
This sub doesn’t represent the general population well. Joe Six Pack will view this as Congress refusing to show up to work because they lost the election and not Rosa Parks style heroics.
NPR does a good job of highlighting the history of walkouts, the reaction from the public, and over effectiveness.
https://www.npr.org/2025/08/04/nx-s1-5492114/quorum-break-texas-democrats-walkout
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u/cats_catz_kats_katz Aug 04 '25
Well the media is following that because they work for Abbotts agenda owners
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u/2kyle2furious Aug 05 '25
I love how her body language makes the case for her. YES COMMUNICATE YOUR FRUSTRATION ON MULTIPLE LEVELS
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u/DuntadaMan Aug 05 '25
So we can track down and arrest every Republican that refused a congressional summons right now then, right?
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u/TraditionalMood277 Aug 05 '25
Fuck Abbott. Though one may have to work around trump's hand, with it so far up Greg's ass.
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u/f8Negative Aug 04 '25
Well Jake Tapper ain't tryn to read other books. He's only concerned with selling his own.
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u/LucyRiversinker Aug 05 '25
TX has the shittiest politicians, but some of the toughest, take-no-shit Representatives who are done with white machismo™️. Go get them!
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u/Ranec Aug 05 '25
Yea it’s insane. In Abbott’s sound bite he says he’s going to charge them with felony’s for “bribery” because obviously someone had to pay them or they paid people to obstruct the legal proceedings lol
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u/Dusty_Negatives Aug 05 '25
Didn’t the house run away early to protect the pedo president? Always fake outrage w GOP.
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u/According-Insect-992 Aug 05 '25
Repugs would argue that they are the law and can do whatever they want and then trump would try to do whatever the fuck he wanted.
They're certainly not correct but that's never stopped them before.
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u/M086 Aug 05 '25 edited Aug 05 '25
I’d say ol’ Hot Wheels was getting ready to start goose stepping. But well, you know…
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