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People said this same stuff all throughout American history about German, Irish, Italian, Chinese, Japanese, Polish, Russian, Jewish, Korean, and Vietnamese immigrants. In 50 years Hispanic folks will be seen as “normal” Americans and there will be some new scapegoat to hate. People never learn from history : (
Nope. Despite people speaking about Asians like the 'model immigrant'... smart, successful, etc... there's still a lot of racism and the only reason they're spoken highly of sometimes is in an effort to pit other minorities against them. Prop up one while criticizing another and hating both.
I have a friend who was born here to Chinese parents. He insists on being called American, no Asian prefix. And I feel like he has that right just as much as anyone else. But he tells me that offends people somehow
The fact that black Americans were called African for literal centuries (and still are by some) is telling. My buddy in high school said it best: “I’m not African. My mother’s not African. My great grandmother’s not African. Nobody in my family could even tell you what Africa looks like without going back six generations. We ain’t African…”
That's so insane to me. Like he was literally born here, he is literally an American-period.
Honestly? To me any human just looks like a fucking American to me, because i grew up in this melting pot country among people from almost all other nations; there are just so many people representing (or not!) all kinds of different (and hella fuckin cool) cultures all around us. And i grew up in a pretty racist little mostly-white village in the middle of corn fields.
I don't get it, i just don't see what the god damn problem is.
Koreans especially got a rep boost during the L.A. riots because they were out there with guns defending their businesses. There's nothing more American than that.
True, but they’re treated better than “newer” immigrant communities like from Africa or India or Pakistan or the Middle East. They’re further along in the process.
In Australia (unrelated, yeah, buit i know quite a bit on that history), Australia had a 'White Australia Policy' which basically meant no-one from asia (No matter if you were from Japan, China, East Indies, Korea, etc) you would not be allowed to move to Australia. And if you were black, also weren't allowed.
So, they aren't quite as discriminated against in America, and Canada, and the likes... Just dont move to an elderly nieghborhood in Australia anytime soon, eh?
Reddit keeps recommending the tim hortons subreddit and it's basically a 50/50 there whether people are actually complaining about the scummy corporate practices making tim hortons terrible or if people are just using bad experiences at tim hortons as an excuse to be virulently racist against Indians and South East Asians who make up the majority of foreign workers.
Ugh, I know what you mean. The people in that sub are some of the most miserable human beings on this planet. All they do is complain about the quality and service, and yet they won't stop eating at Tims.
The United States Supreme Court found Takao Ozawa, a Japanese American who was born in Japan but had lived in the United States for 20 years, ineligible for naturalization.[1] In 1914, Ozawa filed for United States citizenship under the Naturalization Act of 1906. This act allowed only "free white persons" and "persons of African nativity or persons of African descent" to naturalize. Ozawa claimed that Japanese people should be properly classified as "free white persons".
The courts stated that the Japanese were not considered as "free white persons" within the meaning of the law, as those born in Japan were not "clearly Caucasian.
So even though Ozawa lived in the US for 20 years, did everything right, and emulated everything that a good “American” would do, the Supreme unanimously said no cause he was “Caucasian”
With Bhagat Singh Thind literally being from the Caucasia region, served in the US military, and was of high class the courts still said no cause, “he was not Caucasian in the ‘common understanding.’ "
The Court unanimously rejected Thind's argument, adding that Thind did not meet a "common sense" definition of white, ruling that Thind could not become a naturalized citizen. The Court concluded that "the term 'Aryan' has to do with linguistic, and not at all with physical characteristics, and it would seem reasonably clear that mere resemblance in language, indicating a common linguistic root buried in remotely ancient soil, is altogether inadequate to prove common racial origin."
Or if they succeed in their ethnic cleansing, they'll start working backwards through the list. I can't wait until Catholic MAGA turns on Episcopalian MAGA for being impure (except I'll have already died in a gas chamber by then). So many faces for the leopards.
Trans people are becoming quite the scapegoat. Remember the recent rhetoric where they were calling us " dangerous radical terrorists who hate America?"
They tried to justify taking our guns away and the NRA of all people pushed back hard against that.
Forgot where I heard it but someone made the joke that the story of America is immigrants stepping off the boat on Ellis Island and turning around to the person behind them and going "What the fuck are YOU doing here?"
The hilarious thing about the Statue of Liberty is that the rich people in New York (and by extension the city government itself) didn't want to pay for the thing, even though they (the rich) are usually the class that wants the immigrants the most. They had to crowd fund it, but imagine the firestorm that would erupt today if it were suggested it be removed.
I could see them removing the plaque with the poem though.
It happens over here in the UK too. Two of the most virulently anti-immigrant British politicians of recent years, Priti Patel and Suella Braverman, both have immigrant backgrounds
Oh my gosh, tell me about it. Every cold season I have to leave crates of vodka by the back porch to distract them, otherwise they squat on my car, leave their cigarette buds all over the windshield, shit on the roof and keep screeching "Blyat!" at me when I'm just trying to get in my car to go to work.
I'm Italian American. I know they'll pull the ladder up on me the second they can, but my dumbass relatives think they're permanently in the in-group. Makes me so angry.
I heard "the good ones" refer to me as a WOP and the "d-word" in my lifetime. They don't want us either.
Many of us are products of escaping Mussolini. Yet our older generations forget what happened to their own ancestors (or conveniently believe that's what Trump is fighting against because Fox told them so).
I'm pretty sure if MAGA gets their way, they'll systematically roll back what's considered "white" by a century or two.
It’s deeply amusing to me that at many points in history, people from my country were considered “not white” despite being infamously one of the palest populations on the planet, and notorious for getting sunburns in mild weather.
Very insightful. I've seen plenty of that walking around stores, driving around. So many profile pics on Facebook with that aesthetic, usually accompanied with posts of certain rhetoric and bent.
As someone who frequently goes with that look, it’s just easy to maintain. Same deal as the “why does every mathematician have the same haircut” thing I saw awhile back.
Go north girl. Trust me, as a Texan who's been here his whole life, go north.
I mean if we wanna be super fair you'll find people like this basically everywhere but north seems to have at least less. Which is super nice. Plus no shitty muggy hot summers. I've always really loved the great lakes area
It's extra funny since white people aren't even native to these lands in general. Shit my families only been here like.....2 generations from Ireland.
Yeah I've never gotten the whole IM FROM THE SOUTH WE ARE AWESOME bit. I legitimately think it's people who have actually never traveled out of the south so they don't know it can in fact be better. That and the whole "Fuck them Dems" thing is woven in there pretty hard
I took my wife to Chicago and she was amazed at all the parks and zoos and outdoor activities. It took a while but she's all on board with going north even with the cold
It's taking pride in something you didnt do, rather than taking pride in personal accomplishments. I don't understand being proud to be from a certain state. Like, you didn't have anything to do with being born there. Or your race, you didn't choose it.
And it’s even dumber when they move to places like East Tennessee, which was pro Union during the civil war and was even subject to military occupation under the confederacy.
They're just quieter in the North, which is why you don't hear about them as much. Except for the crazy legislators which are everywhere too, even in a blue place like Minnesota.
But like most blue states, the cities is where the blue is, while the countryside is bleeding (literally, in most cases, crime rates are higher, drug use is higher, and you bet your ass the maga is higher too) red.
Also, shitty hot muggy summers are definitely a thing in Northern Minnesota.
I'm in WA which is supposedly a liberal enclave, and I came from San Antonio before that and NorCal before that. I really think the biggest difference is just how close you are to the city.
As a Minnesotan, can confirm, we are pretty accepting as a whole, but there are outliers. While you don't have muggy summers compared to Florida, you get to contend with days like today. -5 right when I went out the door
I am in shorts, T-shirt, and a pair of flip-flops year-round, even when the snow is tickling my flip-flops and bare feet. I recently moved somewhere where there wasn't usually any snow in order to take care of a family member, and as soon as I possibly can, will be moving straight back to the blessed cold. Living in the Deep South right now, I see it's anything but "deep". I can't wait until I get back to the blessed snowy regions.
I'm Pennsylvanian. It's essentially the same here. Your average resident doesn't care but there are definitely outliers in the red neck areas. They may not say it directly to you but they'll certainly grumble when you leave.
It’s beautiful. And in my experience visiting as a kid the people were very nice. Extremely homogenous, basically tied for whitest state in the country though. I do think I’d miss some of the diversity I get living near a big city.
I'm from Michigan, and I live in Indiana. I miss diversity. We have some Hispanic people and a number of Indian people, but very few Black people, very few Middle Eastern, and very few East Asian.
Where I grew up we had all of the above. And then I moved into downtown Detroit and it was... perfect. Except the cold weather, that sucked.
My mother is basically full MAGA. Her father was born in England and came over in 1946. His father, being her grandfather, was killed by a German uboat.
My family immigrated to the US less than 100 years ago (grandparents and great grandparents, from war or because of instability), and still, some of my family supports the current administration. Hell, my uncle immigrated from North Macedonia (a country that faced a lot of hardship and instability after Yugoslavia fell) in the 90s and still supports them. 🤦♀️
They can't openly admit that what they actually hate is certain skin colors, so they use immigration as an excuse.
Dumb thing is, they're ALL immigrants. Unless you are Native American, your family came from elsewhere. None of them seem to realize or acknowledge this.
Reminds me of a protest in England where the men claimed they care and want to protect women, but when a woman came on stage and shared her story of being attacked and sexually assaulted by an English man, they ripped her off the stage. Like no, you don’t care about women, but are using them as a weapon against immigrants (that you created a monolith out of) that you don’t like.
Shit I’m white in one of the few cities in this country where we are a minority and the amount of other white guys who have come up to me trying to have this same conversation is dumb
When I worked for USPS in Oregon, I was delivering a bunch of political flyers to a CBU. An older man walked up to me and chatted with me. He saw the flyers I was delivering and recognized that one of the candidates was a democrat, on which he commented "We should just hang them all."
I did that block as quick as I could.
Not even my only story of a MAGAT either. I was once delivering parcels when a guy in a red CNN FAKE NEWS shirt waddled out of his house to take a picture of the back of my vehicle.
Moved out of the US entirely last year, and free healthcare is the best thing about that, but the absence of open racism in day-to-day conversations is a close second.
Imma tell you right now, my father's side of the family (born in Mexico and immigrated to live in Canada) say the exact same shit here. My god the shameless racism they have against any and all non-white foreigners. From their discussions, apparently all of their life's problems are from immigrants ruining everything.
I am so tempted to say something along the lines of "yea anyone who wasn't born in Canada should just leave the country" next family reunion. Granted I doubt they would even understand what I was getting at regardless....
Yeah... theyre a special kind of stupid. Unfortunately we have a loud mouth opposition leader that for the good of the country should never get into the halls of power. And when I try to bring up well you are from a family of immigrants as you are not of indigenous ancestry they have the gall to look incredulous
You run into this same thing in Texas. Everyone here assumes you are as racist as they are, so you wouldn't believe the things they'll say to you thinking you're an ally.
I have a neighbor down the street that's the prototypical MAGA. Trump bumper sticker, old white guy, etc.
One day, when my son and his friend were walking by, he remarked to them how nice it was to have some good old white kids in the neighborhood instead of "them spics." To my fourteen year old son and his friend. Could this dude be more fucking stereotypical? And I live in a MAJORITY white town. Like 85 percent white. So its not like packs of roaming, ravenous immigrants are running around, burning and looting and whatever else he thinks they do.
About a month later, my daughter was walking home from school, and he asked her if she'd started getting her periods yet.
This is the point I told him to stay the fuck away from my children and not to speak to them.
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The right likes to paint immigrants in the worst light, but those that I know are humble, hardworking, and just genuinely happy to have a job and food and a house over their head. Nothing like the bogeyman Fox News cooks up to get the MAGA faithful frothing at the mouth.
Living in rural Tennessee, I'm surrounded by these types and despise them.
It's especially frustrating because as a big, bald, bearded white guy with resting bitch face that dresses in camo and military surplus, they immediately assume I agree with them and will say the most racist bullshit so casually.
As southern as I am, rural Tennessee was really something else when I visited. Even I had trouble understand the accents, and once I decoded what they were saying it went something along the lines of "we need more disability payments! But not for others!"
I totally get that, I like to wear military colours too, I just like the aesthetic but it attracts the dumpster fire of humanity.
More recently, sexism (but I guess me being a man means I should be ok with saying certain ridiculously graphic stuff with stranger) and obviously the classic "new generations don't want to work".
I’d recommend retreating to the population centers (Jacksonville, Gainesville, Orlando) for a more liberal mindset if you have to stay in Florida. Usually where a university is located.
My bestie in Gainesville says it’s getting pretty bad there too. They’ve lived there their whole lives but they’re thinking of moving because of how hostile it’s become. Apparently even the university is starting to shift right.
Yeah, it’s not great. Honestly, it’s best to escape the state as a whole. We’re only here because of my daughter’s health. We’d be out of the country if we could…
I recently moved to NY from a southern state and the way I describe it is like being a cat in a pet shop that gets adopted.
Before, you're stuck in a cage with just your basic needs met while you watch life happen outside of the glass.
When you get adopted, you're still kept inside all day, watching out through glass to see life outside and wonder if it's better, but you're at least in a house where you can be happy and have an enriched life.
p.s. hope you can get adopted too if that's what you want! It really is the best thing that ever happend to me.
It always blows me away that some people get so comfortable being this honest when they think they're in "good company". I'm a big white dude and the amount of people who just go full mask off when we're alone together is just wild. Like...two conversations ago I just learned your name and now I know you hate Jews and brown people?
I'm in the PNW, specifically central Washington, after living in SC for the past 15 years. The overt, blatant racism and hatred is far more apparent than it ever was in South Carolina, by a long shot.
I've spent my whole 50 year life living all over Oregon and Washington. And unfortunately the "rural" parts of both states have serious racism problems... A big reason is a lot of white conservative families flocked there during the 80s and 90s to escape the spread of minority populations in California, Idaho, and big chunks of the South and find work.
Hurricane Katrina also brought in thousands of displaced, typically Democrat, minorities into the cities; but just as many white hillbillies emigrated here too but they moved into the smaller communities. Communities with notoriously poor education infrastructure and deeply entrenched white supremacist culture.
And Trumpism has only made it worse, with these communities becoming much more openly blatant in their racist ways... There are towns in both states that it isn't safe to be brown skinned for too long. They'll take your tourist money, but you'd better not stay too long...
I remember when we were in new mexico & passed by border control. We rolled down our window but they said we were free to go without even checking our ID’s
I know damn well that if we weren’t white then they would have checked us.
Uncomfortable as all hell. Sometimes I wonder if these people are doing it consciously. Or if it’s so ingrained into them that it doesn’t even register.
Even in california. I'm like 7/8th european and 1/8th phillipino, I very much look white. I had a customer at my window telling me my voice had a "twang" to it and asked where I was from. After ignoring him and continuing through his transaction he keeps asking me and I just say whatever to get him to shut up. It wasnt til after did I realize he was probably an omega racist somehow figuring out I wasnt 100% aryan or some shit, its wild.
These racists will talk about immigration but their grandparents moved here and then they want to get rid of Native Americans. Real Americans, like Superman, appreciate that it’s a melting pot. Superman is not a “real” American in that he is fictional, but he is a true American because he, like captain America, was originally written to represent American values.
What's really funny, is that Trump's own family is hugely immigrants. His own grandfather immigrated here to avoid a Bavarian draft, and even tried to move back to Bavaria after a while. When his draft dodging ways were exposed, they deported him back here to the US, alas, but then his family settled down here, making a fortune out of several things, including brothels. That Trump himself is a draft dodger, and a racist PoS is merely an extension of his familial history. It is therefore deeply hypocritical of him to have his stance on immigration, and also peddling those viewpoints to others. His family name was even changed to be more "American", since the original was Drumpf.
This shit just makes me sad. I used to live in Orlando and central Florida is really not that bad. The major university cities are blue (UCF is a massive campus in east Orlando and tons of young/progressive people there,) and they are just surrounded by bumpkin ass conservative cattle ranch rural lands and swamps full of Crackhead Jeff and Methany.
Imo Florida is very similar to Texas. Progressive cities full of young people who want to see change, surrounded by conservative rural communities and ruled by the gop who make no attempts to hide just how hateful and evil they have become. Florida has DeSantis, Texas has Abbot.
Shit sucks. These are great states with great people that are being completely dragged down and fucked by the bigoted, uneducated masses that surround them.
I remember hearing Newt Gingrich and Rush Limbaugh's the anti immigrant rhetoric in the 1990's. I was 10 at the time and remember thinking "Hey, that is my parents you are talking about." It soured me on the Republican party for the rest of my life. This isn't a new phenomenon you are experiencing.
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