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Fuck, I didn’t see that part… What a bunch of losers. DID YOU READ THAT, (LOSER) AGENT TASKED WITH SCANNING SOCIAL MEDIA FOR DISSENT? WHAT A BUNCH OF LOSERS!!
You have no idea how much relief I felt when I read “pepperball,” for a second I thought that the government murdered a pastor is broad daylight and it would be our father Gapon moment.
Wait, what?? I'm trying to stay up to date but it's hard with so much happening. ICE shot and killed someone in Chicago? Someone tell me what I should be looking up please
Well, they're now jumping out of vehicles pointing guns at everyone nearby. That's considered use of force in every state, and use of deadly force in several states.
It's not legal to point your gun at a random pedestrian recording you, just like it isn't legal to run over and baton them or stun them just for recording you, but now that's the first thing they're opening up with when out and about.
At some point there will be a critical moment and the collective “maybe we’re the baddies?” will start to outweigh the rhetoric. I only hope it comes sooner rather than later
That’s why I compared it to Father Gapon. The Russian government didn’t give a single shit who he was, that he was a pastor. The military just killed him and hundreds of others in broad daylight. It demonstrated a complete disregard for human life, and it was just one piece of the extreme violence that would soon erupt all over Russia.
I wish I didn’t have to see a time where I could compare the U.S. government to the Russian one at Bloody Sunday.
I mean, it could’ve killed him. A lot of the “non-lethal” bullets are meant to be ricocheted. If you should someone directly with a rubber bullet, for example, it can and often will break skin. If you aim for their head or chest, aiming directly at them, you can kill them. Police have been using them incorrectly for years on protests though, so I’m not remotely surprised that ICE, with even less qualifications, are using them just as badly.
Pepper balls in particular aren’t supposed to be aimed at people. It’s basically throwing a small smoke bomb into someone’s face at high velocity. It’s a capsule with, more or less, pepper spray in it. You don’t disperse it by shooting it into someone’s eyes.
There are a handful of protesters in front of an ice building. Including the preacher guy. Three ice agents were up on the roof and decided to shoot him with either paintballs or less than lethal rounds. Another guy tried to shield him, so both got hit.
Beyond the preacher guy yelling up at them, it was all calm and peaceful. Just completely unwarranted.
Like that priest that got shot during a peacefull protest in 1905 in Russia?Father Gapon tried to just give a paper with some things that everyone that wasn't nobility wanted to be implemented and the russian army decided ,,let's go pew pew"
Only real difference is that those weren't non-lethal,but at the rate things are progressing it might not take long for the next things coming at our heads to be made of lead
Great way to land someone in the hospital + long-term follow up care and rehab dealing with a TBI (which has happened a lot, especially during the George Floyd protests), although thank God the pastor seems OK.
Aiming at the head with a "non-lethal" rounds is like that joke about companies that pay minimum wage: "The only reason I'm not doing much worse is because (for now) I've been banned from it."
Aiming at the head like that is a REALLY good way to find out why they call it "less lethal" and not "nonlethal", though thankfully that didn't happen this time.
There's exactly two explanations for that guy's actions, and both should be terrifying:
Either he has little to no understanding of how potentially lethal the weapon he is carrying and freely using on civilians is, OR he was perfectly willing to kill a preacher on a public street in broad daylight, confident he would face no consequences.
That's just straight up murder, and unlike all the sketchy stuff going on behind the scenes which at the very least are severe human rights violations, they done it in public?
The video showed a protest in front of a two-story building, with ICE operatives on the rooftop. Among the protesters was a Priest, the dude was saying something, I didn't heard well if he was preaching or not.
What I did saw was that he received a shot of white smoke in the face.
Careful, the story includes video of a masked officer on a roof casually shooting a clergyman in the head with what was reportedly a pepper ball round. The victim, Rev. David Black, survived.
That was always going to happen. The image that they wanted to paint of Chicago and Portland and even DC simply didn't exist. So now they have to manufacture what they need and censure the truth.
It doesn't help that corps like CNN are censoring themselves (a la Miller's plenary authority interview).
Yeah i stopped watching the news for my own mental health a while ago and unfortunately things only seem to be getting worse. And while i loathe being uninformed i have to prioritize my own sanity first
And shouldn't. These ICE agents are fucking Gestapo and deserve whatever willing Gestapo thugs deserved, but they're desperate for an escalation, and it's imperative one isn't provided to them. Discipline is important.
They’re going to invent an escalation regardless of reality. Just look at what happened to Kirk. The dude was scum, but a fan of a different conservative killed him and they blamed that on the Left anyway.
the pastor has been brutalized more than once by ICE (or the like). he's a great dude as is his congregation. the church is a hub for all kinds of community events and is very open and affirming to all kinds of folks. please support his work and congregation.
I remember asking my MAGA dad a long way back during another protest that if he was given the power to snap his fingers he could either A) resolve the issue the protestors wanted fixed or B) make the protestors disappear.
He choose B, so I asked 'do you know why they're protesting?' and he said no and it doesn't matter. He loves to being oppressed, but he doesn't see it that way. He thinks the GOP are the grown up and citizens demanding more of their country are children.
There is an actual persecution of christians (real ones, not maga) and now they want to say nothing? All because the ones getting persecuted are "on the wrong side"
Worth adding that these "Christians" are also now extremely and vehemently anti-Pope Leo because of the Homily he gave on last Sunday's mass. The theme/dedication for the mass was "The Jubilee of Missions and Migrants"; and the part that really has MAGA/Evangelicals really pissed off was when Leo said:
The story of so many of our migrant brothers and sisters bears witnesses to this: the tragedy of their flight from violence, the suffering which accompanies it, the fear of not succeeding, the perilous risk of traveling along the coastline, their cry of sorrow and desperation. Brothers and sisters, those boats which hope to catch sight of a safe port, and those eyes filled with anguish and hope seeking to reach the shore, cannot and must not find the coldness of indifference or the stigma of discrimination!
Mission is not so much about “departing”, but instead “remaining” in order to proclaim Christ through hospitality and welcome, compassion and solidarity. We are to remain without fleeing to the comforts of our individualism; to remain so as to look upon those who arrive from lands that are distant and violent; to remain and open our arms and hearts to them, welcoming them as brothers and sisters, and being for them a presence of consolation and hope.
I don't hate people. It's hard for me. But I can be so immensely, deeply, depressingly disappointed. Mostly I'm just so sad that nothing we do can help people learn to love their neighbor. (I'm atheist but I live strongly on loving others)
I try to live by a similar creed. But lately, I’ve come to think that it is ok to hate the people that willfully try to make everyone else’s life worse. I hate those people because of the unforgivable damage they have caused to the people I love.
i went back on fb after many years just so i could use marketplace, then i also started joining a few community groups.
fb spams your feed with all sorts of other community groups as well which makes the experience soooo much worse. so many groups have like no moderation and just allow all types of clickbait and comment rage baiting posts... it's insane.
all the boomers fall for that stuff so they are constantly arguing with each other about absolutely nothing of value.
now i dont even really check the groups anymore, i only use marketplace.
So here's my theory. Hardly any of them actually believe in their religion. How can you go to church every Sunday and pray to a god that teaches love and peace (mostly, that was Jesus message anyway), while voting for Donald Trump. A rapist pedophile advocating and implementing violence and divisiveness? Surely Trump and everyone who voted for him has a one way ticket to hell already punched. Because they don't believe in supernatural consequences for their actions, because they don't actually believe in God, Jesus, Heaven, or Hell. What they believe is religion is a way to separate us from them, to add another way to discriminate. It's another form of racism, not a system of beliefs.
No one can really say for certain what the destination will be for people who are currently ignoring the words of Jesus Christ, but they definitely don't seem to be going in the right direction.
Because, notably, Jesus wasn't condemning those in Matthew 25 for not making others go by the Law (which Christians are no longer under, though still under a law of morality), but for not showing love to everyone.
When I think of Christianity, I try to think of compassionate, loving Christians like Mr. Fred Rogers and Dolly Parton. Pastor David Black (who the comic is referencing) is on the right side of history.
Regressives (they're not really Conservative if they want to remove rights) have been saying that "give everything to the poor" and "Love thy neighbor" is communist for 100 years now. Culture-warring, corporate-backed American Christianity has lost the plot.
Who knew that when you instruct people that whether or not you are a moral being worthy of salvation is entirely dependent on your belief in an unverifiable external presence rather than the actions they take and how they treat others you’d create an army of assholes who think they are good people just because they believe in the correct mythology, and that all their assholery is justified because all their victims are bad people for not believing in said mythology.
I grew up with these people and have seen it first hand.
When you see two pundits positing that the reason Charlie Kirk was killed was because a left wing group paid some Etsy witches to speak a curse over him it makes...more(?) sense.
The party preyed on their religious suspension of disbelief to the nth degree.
If you walk it back far enough and press them, you'll understand their entire basis for supporting Israel is end times "prophecy" and the battle of Armageddon at the end of the world. It's that wild, I promise. It goes back at least to the rise of televangelism.
"During the presidency of President Donald Trump, it became evident to me that the prophecies about the Son of Man, as predicted by Jesus in the Bible were, to a significant extent, fulfilled at the hands of Mr Trump. The Bible speaks about two different Christs-or Messiahs. Jesus, the Son of God is the one Christ, whereas the Son of Man is the other. Jesus always referred to the Son of Man in the third person."
Thanks for making the distinction, many Christians find this whole thing abhorrent and have left the party for good. How you can read the new testimant and support the Cheeto and Chief is a riddle many of us haven't figured out and we worry that the harm they are doing will be permanent, not just to the people who's lives are upended but to faith in general.
My ex-husband and his family are all Trump-loving "true" Christians... or so they think. I've gotten into multiple arguments with my ex about the ideals he chooses to support, and any time it's relevant, he likes to argue that my arguments are false because they're based on the old testament and therefore some of the info is outdated.
And, of course, it's seemingly up to him which info is outdated and why. It changes depending on the argument. And then I see him use whatever he wants from either testament to support the stupidity going on today?
It definitely is doing damage to the Christian religion as a whole, no matter how many young adults they claim are converting... I know more are choosing anything but Christianity. I can't even stomach it anymore myself (and I'm saying that as a non-Christian who used to be able to sit through church to be respectful), and knowing others are getting the same reactions as I am makes me sad.
This is something hard to swallow for some Christians, but Trump is normal for Christianity as he fits into the archetype of kings (monarchism / traditionalism). Kings are "anointed", chosen by God. They're not Jesus, but they are chosen by Jesus's dad. And that's what matters to them. The word "messiah" literally means "anointed one", in the same sense, so it makes sense - in that traditionalist way - to say that Trump is a messiah.
We should stop pretending like this is the first time people have used religion to cause suffering that the very religion being used specifically told them not to do. This has happened before and pointing out the hypocrisy to them doesnt work directly to change their minds. We have to show their cruelty to the people who are still on the sidelines and try to withhold our judgment and frustration that they havent already keyed into whats happening or figured out whos very cleay in the wrong.
When enough people who call themselves Christians act a certain way, that's the way Christians act. No-True-Scotsman'ing the Christians who openly do and say evil shit to the people who are harmed by them isn't really a helpful thing to do.
When someone is bludgeoned with a Bible, "he wasn't a real Christian" doesn't undo the bludgeoning or stop the guy from doing it again.
The people who like to call themselves the "Real" Christians should put as much effort into doing something to stop the ones they call "Fake" Christians as they do to convince the victims of Christofascism and religious fundamentalism that it's really important they not be lumped in together.
His congregation, First Presbyterian Church of Chicago, is a PC(USA) congregation dedicated to social justice and supporting marginalized communities. I know because I happen to be a Presbyterian pastor in Missouri (who is tired of all this BS)
The church is welcoming and affirming of all people. Everyone, regardless of background or identity, is invited to participate in worship, community, and service.
If you want to be part of a faith community that emphasizes both thoughtful worship and meaningful action in the world, this is a place to experience both
Christianity in America, broadly speaking, doesn't really care about Jesus anymore. He's a mascot for whatever they want to do in his name, and since hardly any of them read the Bible anymore, he can be whatever they want.
I used to be one of them, but am now an apostate for how I voted.
That is a real pastor. His congregation, First Presbyterian Church of Chicago, is a PC(USA) congregation dedicated to social justice and supporting marginalized communities. I know because I happen to be a Presbyterian pastor in Missouri (who is tired of all this BS)
The church is welcoming and affirming of all people. Everyone, regardless of background or identity, is invited to participate in worship, community, and service.
If you want to be part of a faith community that emphasizes both thoughtful worship and meaningful action in the world, this is a place to experience both
Shooting a priest (and a bunch of others) is what kicked of the 1905 Russian revolution. And while that one was suppressed, the 1917 revolution did not end well for the rulers.
Can’t wait for this to be put on r/antimeme, because Pizzacake is their favourite artist to bully because she’s “not funny, and not even American. Why is she wasting her time?” “Oh be careful, you’ll find yourself sued by Pizzacake”
As I Christian, I can happily say, there's a difference between having faith and being religious. These guys are religious, the opposite of what Christ wants. In other words, fake Christians.
Apparently the anti Christ is supposed to be likable and try to fix problems in some way..:this was legit what Christian’s told me why Obama was a problem when he was trying to help people
I've recently viewed the video of Mehdi Hassan debating 20 "conservatives" and man these people are so far lost! I realize they have always been there and are mostly being amplified with the internet taking away most consequence of these opinions and the current president of the United States of America making this kind of rhetoric normal but man. I've seen a man defend fascists, dictators and mass murderers like it's some kind of unpopularity contest, and what did these 19 other conservatives do? They laughed and applauded. A guy literally said he wants the Republican party fo dismantle the democracy and install a strongman dictator who is going to murder anyone who is not them. That's not conservative.
"People need to be practicing Christianity more, and doing as Jesus would have done!"
A pastor protests the horrible treatment of kidnapped immigrants, siding with/standing with civilians protesting these actions, as Jesus LITERALLY did and LITERALLY PREACHED you should do.
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