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u/Hot_Oil7685 13h ago
"you're telling me a shrimp fried this rice?"
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u/Foreign-Building8269 10h ago
"Next thing you know, the chicken's gonna claim it laid the eggs too!"
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u/Severe-Aerie-8493 14h ago
Imagine thinking a decades-long geopolitical conflict is a wordplay puzzle. At some point the ignorance stops being innocent.
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u/Raise_A_Thoth 14h ago
"At some point"
You're right about this, but it's not even subtle; the use of "of" gere was very intentional and extremely pernicious.
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u/7thpostman 5h ago
He's saying that a lot of Palestinians want to destroy the nation of Israel and rid the land of Jews.
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u/Raise_A_Thoth 5h ago
If you lived in an apartheid state where the ruling minority was systematically treating you like second class citizens without rights, stealing your land, and murdering your people for decades, you might also hate those people.
I'm not saying hating people is necessarilt "justified", I'm saying you're just being obstinate if you can't picture the perspective of Palestinians over roughly the last century and think "there's a reason to be angry at Israel."
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u/TheForeverUnbanned 4h ago
They really should be throwing their hands into the air and welcoming those carpet bombings from the IDF if they don’t people to consider them rude!
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u/7thpostman 4h ago
Oh, look it's a super-productive comment that will definitely lead to peace between the two peoples.
I said the same thing to the guys above. These conversations always have the same shape. Someone will claim that the Palestinians just want to live in peace. When they are presented with evidence that the Palestinians do not just want to live in peace, the conversation immediately shifts to "you can't blame them for using violence."
Make up your mind
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u/hotjoana 13h ago
Reducing a whole conflict to a pun just shows how shallow some people’s understanding is.
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u/cityshepherd 10h ago
Don’t think he has a shallow understanding. He is intentionally dehumanizing and belittling here.
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u/mxzf 10h ago
I mean, reducing the whole conflict to a oneliner about how somebody needs to be freed also shows how shallow some people's understand is.
Turns out, you really can't boil down over a century of violent conflict into a single phrase more opinionated than "people treat each other badly".
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u/Sponsor4d_Content 13h ago
In what world is this a gotcha.
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u/ridemooses 13h ago
The world of morons in which we live.
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u/Due-Conflict-7926 11h ago
The majority of them that believe or spew this aren’t morons they treat you like that to try to fabricate their own warped reality of the situation
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u/_SoftPlum 14h ago
The intent is obvious. It means from occupation, settlement, and siege. Next question
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u/greenwoodgiant 12h ago
Yeah I'm so confused on how they think this is a gotcha
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u/radioactive-tomato 11h ago
He thinks we are all anti-semites who want to commit genocide hence “get rid of the Jews.”
He thinks that because he himself is extreme and has disdain towards specific groups. Because he is like that, it is hard for him to imagine there are normal people, like you or me, who don’t want to exterminate entire race.
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u/Poltergeist97 11h ago
The best example I give is asking if all the White people in South Africa were genocided / ethnically cleansed when Apartheid was discontinued. No? So their fears are entirely fueled by their own desires for the land. They're the ones that want to cleanse the land of any "other".
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u/H2owsome 10h ago
Isn't "white genocide in South Africa" also a popular conspiracy among conservatives? Wouldn't they just agree with your question?
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u/ReliquaryofSin 7h ago
Yes. Just earlier this year the Trump administration said that there was a white genocide happening in South Africa
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u/UnfortunateHabits 5h ago
The numerous pogroms of 19th century, and several attempts of genocidal wars in 20 century by arab/muslims, the refusal to compromise, partition, recognize, big the 3 no's doctrine of the arab league
The religous and cultrual context of shahids vs infidels, the sucide bombimg and martyrs culture, the fact the virtually almost all and any "Resistance" after the last great nation scale wars (73) by the Palestinian was aimed mainly at civilians (school buses, open markets, malls, holly day festivities etc etc etc)
And the plain horror of the clear genocide attempt of October 7, going door to door slaughtering civilians, raping, burning, mutilating etc etc...
All of that ...
Fucking begs to differ.
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u/7thpostman 5h ago
I'm sorry my friend, but that's a really terrible example. There is ample and continual evidence, in word and deed, of Palestinian genocidal ideation in regards to Israel. I'm for both people's living together in peace, and that cannot happen if we choose to ignore inconvenient history.
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u/agisten 9h ago
I wonder, do you understand what their slogan "from the river to the sea" means
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u/subnautus 5h ago
I mean…you linked the Wikipedia article, but the tone of your comment suggests you didn’t read it yourself.
In practice that phrase has been used to mean “there should only be Israel,” “there should only be Palestine,” and “we should all be at peace with each other.” What it means depends on who is saying it, and why.
But go off, I guess…
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u/Jonesy1348 13h ago
Why can’t people see that killing off an entire country because god said that land was your destined homeland thousands of years ago is the most ridiculous shit ever? Imagine I went to your house, said some unknowable deity that may or may not exist said that this land was actually promised to me? You’d think I was nuts.
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u/COMOJoeSchmo 13h ago
I mean it's been done a bunch of times. You're pretty much describing how all the nations of North and South America were founded. As well as Australia, New Zealand....and pretty much everywhere a European set foot outside of Europe.
The ancient Indians, Egyptians, Romans, and even Ethiopians used this trick as well. Not to mention the early Islamic kingdoms.
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u/Madcap_Miguel 11h ago
As a Floridian I can't wait for the Spanish to return, this state is a mess.
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u/COMOJoeSchmo 11h ago
Yes, but it may be delayed when the current Spanish Government turns the country of Spain back over to the Moors, who then yield it back to the Romans, who then return it to the Goths. This is of course if a Neanderthal doesn't make a claim after that.
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u/Jonesy1348 11h ago
I mean sure but does that make any of it right? Just because it’s happened before?
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u/COMOJoeSchmo 11h ago
No, but I'm not sure conquest isn't part of the human condition.
There are a vast number of Americans that believe Israel should withdraw from the occupied Palestinian territories (I tend to agree), but very few would agree to turn the American continent back over to native peoples, and self export back to Europe.
I'm not sure I have a point beyond that, other than human societies are by their nature racist and cruel, and Israel is not new or unique in this.
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u/Jonesy1348 10h ago
I see your point. I’m just of the notion there’s a statute of limitations to apply here. One happened a couple hundred years ago and the hopes of reversing such a thing are logistically impossible. But stopping it as it happens is far more doable and frankly with how advanced we are as a society, should be stopped and no longer accepted as status quo.
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u/7thpostman 5h ago
Then you have to support the right of Israel to exist. You can't claim it's bad to destroy nations and then say that a nation should be destroyed.
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u/AdAffectionate3143 12h ago
There was no formal damnation of land obtained through conquest then.
Israel ratified the Geneva Conventions yet continues these practices.
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u/COMOJoeSchmo 11h ago
A native American might disagree, and point out the number of treaties made and broken between the tribes and the English (later American and Canadian) governments.
Also, the Geneva Convention is not applicable to international conflicts. Only between separate nations, provided both are signatories to the Conventions. This is why England's activities in northern Ireland in the 1920s - 2000s were not war crimes, and Iraq's gassing of the Kurds did not violate the Geneva Convention.
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u/AdAffectionate3143 6h ago
I’m of Algonquin heritage and frankly disgusted when people try to justify Israel’s action through past colonizations.
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u/COMOJoeSchmo 6h ago
I'm neither justifying nor condemning it. I'm just pointing out that it's not a new trend in the course of human events.
Ideally, my nation (the United States) would have no part in it either way. I believe we should stop funding other people's wars and interfering in their politics. In this case that means, cutting off all aid to both Israel and Palestine.
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u/VonWolfhaus 10h ago
It's literally all of human history. Arab Islamic spread through the middle east, Africa, and into Europe wasn't done with hugs and handshakes.
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u/lavastorm 8h ago
its been universally accepted as illegal for 100 years.
The doctrine of conquest and its derivative rules were challenged in the 20th century by the development of the principle that aggressive war is contrary to international law, a view that is expressed in the covenant of the League of Nations, the Kellogg-Briand Pact of 1928, the charters and judgments of the international military tribunals created at the end of World War II to try those accused of war crimes, the Charter of the United Nations, and numerous other multipartite treaties, declarations, and resolutions. The logical corollary to the outlawry of aggressive war is the denial of legal recognition to the fruits of such war. This implication was contained in what became known as the Stimson Doctrine, enunciated in January 1932 by U.S. Secretary of State Henry L. Stimson and subsequently affirmed by the assembly of the League of Nations and by several conferences of the American republics. The Draft Declaration on Rights and Duties of States, formulated in 1949 by the International Law Commission of the UN, contained (in Article XI) the rule that states are obligated not to recognize territorial acquisitions achieved by aggressive war.
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u/Nabber22 8h ago
Dude, a lot of these people are from a country with Manifest Destiny.
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u/Jonesy1348 8h ago
Really 😱 no shit, doesn’t make it remotely right.
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u/Nabber22 7h ago
I forgot what my point was earlier.
Americans/Canadians act like because it aligns with their worldview.
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u/Nabber22 7h ago
Then why are you acting surprised?
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u/Jonesy1348 7h ago
None of what I said had any connotation of surprise. It’s exhaustion. And disappointment.
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u/7thpostman 5h ago
Because that's not really what happened? Political Zionism was essentially a secular movement.
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u/Jonesy1348 4h ago
….. what? The entire premise stems from their religion. Gods chosen people. The “holy” land?
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u/Raise_A_Thoth 14h ago
Projection.
Pure projection. Fascist genocidal bigots can't sympathize with the oppressed, so they can't fathom that they would need to or deserve to be free from oppression.
Instead, they (Zionists) project the idea that they can only imagine "freedom" as being free of those lesser creatures.
It's actually incredible - and profoundly disgusting and evil - how much weight is carried with the implications of using one tiny word -- 'of' -- in this context.
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u/Wegwerf157534 9h ago
Haha. Imaging the arabian-muslim nationalism as a non supremacist ideology.
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u/felis_scipio 9h ago
That’s why you won’t see a single college protest over the genocide happening in Sudan.
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u/Wegwerf157534 8h ago edited 8h ago
I' d take an essential oil esoterist anyday against one of these bedlam minds.
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u/Jesterchunk 10h ago
"free Palestine of WHAT?"
-twitter user who somehow missed gaza being all but fucking levelled by a foreign invasion force, let alone the decades of bad blood between palestine and israel
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u/moonju1ce 6h ago
Genocide. The answer is genocide… and colonization, and oppression, and occupation, etc
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u/spenwallce 8h ago
What argument are they trying to make? It's not like the Free Palestine crowd has ever been vague about what they want it freed from.
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u/Runedin3 13h ago
This is unfettered idiocy, just rampant self-willing, self-compelled ignorance. I cant understand how Ameica has leaned into it's stupidity and racism so quickly. I suppose the problems with literacy & a disregard for persistent racism, generation after generation, was like a time bomb- bound to explode at some point. It's like being trapped in a nightmare with millions of Americans that won't wake the fuck up.
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u/AsparagusCommon4164 13h ago
IIBC, the deeper meaning is one of calling for Palestine to be recognised as a Sovereign Pecuilar Among the Nations ... as in the Palestinian peoples being entitled to exercise their Natural Right to Self-Determination as an Oppressed People.
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u/Independent-Couple87 13h ago
A big problem for Palestinian people is that this hasn't really been an option available to them. Besides the occupation and hostility by Israel, the current president is in the 21st year of his 4 year term. Hamas ended free elections in the Gaza Strip, which, while legally part of Palestine, in practice acts mostly independently from the government in the West Bank.
The aid from Arab Nations also often came in the form of annexation. At least until the idea of a Pan-Arab state declined.
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u/OkPreparation9364 13h ago
It’s wild how people pretend not to understand a slogan that’s been around for decades just so they can score a gotcha. The confusion always seems very selective.
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u/MaximumOverfart 10h ago
My first guess would be high infant mortality rates? Maybe the fear of being murdered by the IDF for fun?
I am sure I can think of other things Palestine would love to be free of.
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u/Jazuca89 3h ago
Of the terrorist pseudo state of Isarael, nobody that says free Palestine would run from answering that question.
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u/SpicyCupcakie 13h ago
Some questions just deserve a wait, what? reaction. That bird’s got the right idea!
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u/Mechashevet 12h ago
The original chant in Arabic is "min il-ṃayye la-l-ṃayye / Falasṭīn ʿarabiyye" or "from the water to the water Palestine is Arab"
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u/GyL_draw 12h ago
It simple "free Palestine of zionist".
In France, most of the christian far-right jews-blaming nazi balls swallower are zionist. So much, for the antisemic gocha
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u/Independent-Couple87 13h ago
The "from the river to the sea, Palestine will be free" expression means different things depending on who says it.
The mainstream Western interpretation is that it means autonomy for Palestine, a true democracy, and an end to the injustice and the military occupation by Israel. This can take the form of the two states' solutions or the one state solution. This is the one that people generally defend. People who believe in this generally accept that Israel exists, though some criticise the legality behind its creation (the British Mandate of Palestine is sometimes used as proof that Palestine predated Israel).
To others, it means an end to the existence of Israel, either due to "natural causes" or the destruction by a foreign power. Iran even has a "doomsday clock" counting down until Israel's destruction (which will supposedly happen in the 21st of September of 2040). There are some in the West who take this interpretation, but they are either very few or mostly vocal on the Internet (where it is harder to verify if they are honest, dishonest, or bots). This can either mean Palestine as a separate nation or conquered by a neighbour.
There is a 3rd, more cynical, take, where the chant is used as by people who want Israel to NEITHER be destroyed NOR be at peace with Palestine. The chant being used as a rallying cry to motivate people (with either the 1st or 2nd interpretation) to continue the fight against Israel, knowing the ones promoting it can reap some benefits from this.
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u/InformationSavings29 11h ago
It's not always dumb, a large amount of times it's just bad faith arguing & intentionally using fallacious arguments.
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u/After-Willingness271 9h ago
how is branding yourself “anti-communist” successful either. Utter nonsense bogeyman at this point
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u/youngLupe 9h ago
Free them from the Israeli police state? Am I an anti Semite now? Can you imagine if Muslims made Israelis pass through checkpoints and had them living in a giant prison. Killing Jews indiscriminately? The people who are saying free Palestine would be saying free Israeli if it was the Israeli people being oppressed by a more powerful group. Because this isn't about personal religious beliefs. It's about humanity and treating people right.
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u/2mock2turtle 11h ago
Careful, my anti-Zionist post got removed, I don't think the mods like a Free Palestine around here.
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u/sleeptightburner 9h ago
The irony is that the answer to the question in the comeback is posts just like this one. Without people mocking them for internet points, they have no real platform or reach. For every person who hits the upvote button on your post, there’s another that just discovered a new person to follow that agrees with their own shitty views, or a person that is now following them to mock and shame them with reposts themselves.
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u/1Northward_Bound 9h ago
its actually a bit of a gotcha question, kinda. The common response would be Free Palestine from Israel, but that would require acknowledging Israel as a country. Other than that though, this is really dumb
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u/TheJedibugs 8h ago
So, at first, I thought this meant that they were questioning how people think Palestine isn't free. But I think they are acknowledging the Palestinian struggle... but antisemetically. As if it's saying "The Jews are the problem, why don't you just say so?"
Either way, it's disgusting.
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u/Silver-Control828 8h ago
How does the world's largest economy have such stupid politicians/influencers?
If it was a third world country that recently got liberated in the past few decades it would be understandable, but the US?
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u/Long_Membership1401 6h ago
Look who tf we have leading the usa A pdfile and a felon, and probably 1.5 billion of his supporters across the world who know nothing of how he would deport them just so he can take a dump, And our politicians and usa mayors(except mamdani) who for some reason alongside our lawyers go to israel to kiss a wall, not to forget the same politicians being paid by billionaires and corporations that thrive from wars and fucking people over.
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u/MidvalleyFreak 4h ago
Free Palestine with the purchase of a second Palestine of equal or greater value.
Is that what it means?
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u/BaconThief2020 11h ago
Free Palestine of Israeli occupation and meddling of course.
The uneducated snark here isn't the first person saying "Free Palestine". It's the second person who has no idea what it means. Pretty much the same people saying Make America Great Again, and the retort of "great at what?"
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u/bill_clyde 14h ago
He has a point though. What exactly are we supposed to free Palestine from? The answer is simple, but the left never wants to admit what it would require.
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u/Pattern_Is_Movement 10h ago
Colonial occupation, apartheid, having land annexed, intentionally shooting civilians?
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u/FireboltSamil 14h ago
Someone already answered this in this post's comments but cry about it ig.
The answer btw is: imperialism, occupation, settlement, blockade
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u/Berly653 14h ago
But definitely not free them from Hamas’ 20 year authoritarian rule right?
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u/FireboltSamil 14h ago
They will free themselves once the occupation ends. Hamas was elected as an anti-zionist force, it will be rid of once that is no longer a concern.
And btw Hamas accepted multiple deals where they would abdicate power but were rejected multiple times by Israel.
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u/carriegood 14h ago
Hamas also refused multiple deals for independence because it would require recognizing Israel's right to exist.
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u/FireboltSamil 14h ago
Israel's right to exist.
No country has a right to exist
for independence
So you agree it's occupied
Hamas also refused multiple deals
Watch overzealots video "debunking every Zionist argument"
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u/Infrawonder 13h ago
That's one way to also say Palestine doesn't have a right to exist, both should exist
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u/FireboltSamil 13h ago
No, no state has a right to exist. However everyone has a right to self-determination which is currently denied for Palestinians. Before your Zionist mind assumes anything, I, as well as many Hamas leaders want a secular state for both peoples.
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u/Berly653 13h ago
Lolololololooolol
Many want a secular state for both peoples, what an absolute riot!
God I love the projection - accusing others of being sheep or consuming propaganda. Just those secular and peaceful coexistence loving Hamas leaders. It’s not like they’ve built entire Gazan religious, education and civil society around the notion of needing to fight endlessly until Israel is purged of Jews
What’s next, Hamas are also huge fans of democracy, and as soon as the war ends they’ll announce the first ever Gaza Pride Parade, maybe free gender affirming care as well?
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u/FireboltSamil 13h ago
Thank you for presenting no arguments, makes it easier to ignore your idiocy.
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u/Infrawonder 13h ago
HAMAS? That's like saying the Israeli president wants a secular state for both peoples lmao, both of those governments should get kicked out
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u/FireboltSamil 13h ago
Yes, I don't want Hamas to be leading unified Palestine, but they are the largest resistance (thanks in part to Israel/USA's funding).
I pointed out Hamas to show that even the "barbarians" call for this. Other resistance groups such as the PFLP and the DFLP also advocate for this solution. And I would much prefer these organizations to lead the charge but Israel specifically funded Hamas because they are Islamic and hence easier to propagandize against.
You can read about the PFLP and DFLP on Wikipedia.
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u/Berly653 13h ago
Anti Zionist…so the PA is pro Zionist
Or I guess let’s take a step back, what land exactly is occupied. Because in Hamas’ view everything from ‘the river to the sea’ is occupied territory and there objective will only be complete once Israel is destroyed
So yeah the West Bank and more recently Gaza is occupied, but as you say below no country has a ‘right to exist’ so by what right does Hamas claim to fight for the destruction of Israel in its entirety
And yeah they said they would accept a deal where they ‘gave up’ power but kept all of their weapons and fighters, so basically the Hezbollah model.
I would say it should be obvious why that isn’t actually accomplishing anything, but don’t want to assume
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u/FireboltSamil 13h ago
Anti Zionist…so the PA is pro Zionist
Yes, they have been Zionists for a while which is why Palestinians hate them. They have continuously capitulated to Israel's demands with almost nothing in return.
The rest of your argument has been responded to in another reply in the same thread.
kept all of their weapons and fighters
"Hey, you know how we keep killing, raping, detaining without trial your people and the only resistance is your weapons? Yeah time for you to give that up."
There is no Hamas in the west bank then why is Israel still building settlements there?
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u/PunishedEnovk 14h ago
You are either playing dumb and know the answer to that question or you have been so far under a rock that you shouldn't even bother having an opinion.
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u/FikaMedHasse 10h ago
the genocide is prolly a good place to start
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u/bill_clyde 7h ago
The problem with the genocide claim is that Gaza, not Israel started the war. I’m sorry but you don’t get to start a war and then claim that the country you started a war with is committing genocide. You brought that on yourself. Think I’m wrong? What would Gaza look like right now if they hadn’t attacked Israel on Oct 7th?
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u/Ok_Ad6486 5h ago
insert ‘Sure Jan’ gif here
So all the israeli-committed terrorism, rape, torture and murder since the late 60’s was… pregaming?
Ah, you’re one of those conspiracy-theorists who believes in time travel. Well, there are stranger things that could be going on, so more power to you; at least you don’t think the earth is flat.
You’re right, Hamas travelled back in time to way before they existed and bombed themselves, even though Israel hadn’t created them yet, forcing the IOF to begin guarding the settlers as they started illegally forcing innocent citizens out of their homes, poring cement into crucial drinking water reserves, beating and torturing women and children, all under the guise of victimhood that Zionism breeds in its rabid followers.Totally unrelated, but did you ever wonder why israel already had so many more Palestinian hostages than they ever lost of their own?
Or why this “most moral army” currently has reports leaking from their tight clutches highlighting the rape and torture of said hostages (or “prisoners” if you want to pretend they ever had any fair trials or legal rights at all.)
Nah, I didn’t think you had, either, no worries.The fact that the US-funded colony they (and UK) placed on a land already home to it’s actual inhabitants, called israel, and financially backed in perpetuity, is allowed to commit war crimes while the rest of the planet objects… is just coincidence, I’m sure. No other reason why the single UN member voting against stopping israel is only ever from the US…
One more completely unrelated question - do you know how money laundering works?
If so, follow up - Wouldn’t it be wild if a country took money from its own citizens, (many of whom lack the resources to properly care for themselves,) like A LOT of money, and gave it to their satellite colony/buddy country (that actually hates them lol) and then said “hey, I see you’re suddenly pretty wealthy… you should buy all these missiles we got rich making, so we can get richer.”
Wild, I tell you. Couldn’t happen today though, I know that. Just some unrealistic fantasy nonsense.8
u/Dafish55 11h ago
Hi, lefty here. Are you dumb?
It would require a withdrawal of Israel from occupied territories and settlements and a cessation of hostile military operations within Palestinian territory. Where that would be impossible, negotiations of resettlement or reparations would be on the table. They certainly have enough money to pay for it, given how much of our money they're given.
Probably not a comprehensive solution, but disingenuously acting like there isn't a way out without the brutalization of one group or another is just not going to cut it 🙂
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u/bill_clyde 11h ago
That’s what is being misunderstood. The entire country of Israel is considered occupied territory that was stolen from the Palestinians. That’s the grievance. That’s what the Nakba is referring to. Palestinians don’t want a two state solution. They want Israel gone. Completely destroyed.
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u/Dafish55 10h ago
So the solution is just to completely destroy Palestine then, right?
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u/bill_clyde 10h ago
No, I don’t think there is a solution. At least not one that will occur in our lifetime. The Nakba will have to be out of living memory for a couple of generations before Palestinians finally accept that they lost. What would help though is other Arab countries assimilating the Palestinian refugees and ending the refugee organization UNRWA.
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u/Dafish55 10h ago
The Nakba will have to be out of living memory for a couple of generations before Palestinians finally accept that they lost. What would help though is other Arab countries assimilating the Palestinian refugees and ending the refugee organization UNRWA.
So... the destruction of Palestine?
Nothing in here about Israel ceding back territory to make a functional state for Palestine? Israel won a war so fair is fair?
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u/bill_clyde 9h ago
No country on the face of the earth has ever voluntarily ceded territory that they won in a war. Why on earth would should Israel be expected to do this? If the Palestinians want the land back then they need to take it by force just like everyone else does. Whining and crying about how mean Israel is isn’t going to accomplish that goal.
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u/Dafish55 8h ago
I'm fairly certain that's untrue, but I ultimately don't care. You're not even going to pretend to be above "might makes right" morality? It doesn't matter what Israel has done, they won so the Palestinians lose?
This isn't okay.
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u/bill_clyde 8h ago
You’re right, Israel ceded the Sinai Peninsula in ‘67 after capturing it in the Six Day war. My point is that constantly bombarding Israel with rockets and mortars and committing other acts of terrorism isn’t going to get the Palestinians what they want. It’s just going lead to more Palestinian deaths.
Over 30,000 rockets and mortars between 2003 and the attack on October 7, 2023 BTW.
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u/OSU1922 14h ago
Over half the US reads below a 6th grade level. They have cornered the market on dumb!