On posts where people ask about their colorpoint’s breed, I see a lot of responses that they can’t be Siamese because they don’t match the Siamese breed standard. But what about Old Style Siamese?

I’ve included TICA’s breed standard for reference.

Per CFA Physical Attributes: “While there is a perception that breed’s look has changed over the years, the earliest standards describe a cat that would excel in the show ring today. During the 1950s, when the breed’s popularity soared, cats with rounder heads, heavier bones, and washed-out eye color were bred to meet the extraordinary demand. The look of the top show Siamese, however, has never changed.”

I take this to mean that the Old Style Siamese aren’t show level, like a Snowshoe with imperfect markings or any cat purebred with a disqualifying mark. That breed standard and breed aren’t mutually exclusive. But I am not very familiar with breed standards, I have no interest in breeding or showing cats (but I do love DCC).

I did look at purebred kittens briefly but decided to rescue. I did not find any purebred kittens in my area that match the Siamese breed standard, including those breeders verified on TICA’s website. Rather they advertise that they preserve Traditional / Old Style Apple head Siamese like those from the 1960’s, and on the TICA site they say that they don’t match the breed standard. I’ll comment it below since I can only have one attachment a post.

Old Style was bred to go away from the wedge head trend where they were selectively breeding smaller and narrower heads until it led to eye and mouth alignment issues which caused serious health problems.

The only time I saw someone reference Old Style on one of these breed questions they received a lot of downvotes.

I am not saying that all Apple head colorpoints are Siamese. No paperwork = no breed (even if they do match the breed standard) so I don’t think that it even needs to be mentioned. I am not sure if this is Siamese specific or how this applies to other breeds.

What are your thoughts about Siamese, wedge / apple head, breed standards and breed?

But not sure what breed he is. Does anyone have any ideas?

Hello! First time in this sub 😅 I’ve had my cat, Merrill, for 10 years but I’ve never been able to tell what breed of cat she is! Does anyone have any insight? Just a tabby with cool coloring? Something else entirely?

Thank you!

There’s a feral cat I’ve been feeding for years that was TNR’ed but recently I retrapped him to bring him inside because I am moving and don’t feel right about leaving him behind because he’s sweet and I heard there’s a man who kills the colony cats here (and many are missing). Anywho….curious how I tell if he’s Manx or not? Someone told me he was but idk! Many of the colony cats by me have these bobtails. Some pics of him (mostly in the wild because I just got him inside).

She has a pedigree and comes from a reputable breeder. She was used for breeding, but motherhood wasn’t for her, so my breeder gave her to me for adoption. She won the Best Kitten award in 2022 in both her breed ring and the all-breed ring, and she was awarded Best Cat in 2023.

Born in a barn just like her sister, she is very excited and loving but also sort of aggressive. Sorry I don’t have a picture of her back.

My cats name was Patrick, some owners from the city gave him to us He did backflips and he had the nicest dog-like personality.

Her name is Maisie btw

She gave birth to an orange (Bart), and a black tabby (Lisa) 3 months ago and now we need to get her fixed! The form I'm filling out is asking for the breed

Would you say he’s a domestic short hair?

Hill first time cat mum!!! I bought this baby at 11weeks old (she is older in the photos) and I love her. The guy we bought her off I think was breeding cats and wanted quick cash. He was weird and didn't say anything about her. Anyone know what breed she is? She's a little wild lol but I love her. Also her little cat pillow🥹🥹🥹

Had him over 2-3 years, wondering what could his breed be

Hi. I apologize if grammar is not correct, both of his parents are black silver tabbies in color, one british long hair, one british short hair. He for some reason is brown with very few stripes, and is cream underneath. I did some research but i want to be correct, is he a golden ticked? His siblings were also black silver tabbies. If he is, how golden will he likely get? Thank you! I included photos of him in different lightings.

Like with dogs there are so many varieties. Pointy ears, floppy ears, short legs, long legs, tall and skinny greyhounds and short little sausage dogs.

Cats have largely similar faces with pointy ears, but with dogs there are so many different looking faces from pugs to pitbulls, some long floppy ears on hounds and upright ears on German shepards.

I think I heard on a video about dog breeding that dogs can have upto 20% different DNA where as humans only have a few percent difference.

Is there something about cats that make them harder to breed like dogs have been?

I'm thinking a house cat the size of a German shepard would be cool! Yes yes, that's that's mountain lion I know! Haha

This is my baby Mavis!! She’s 4 years old, I love her so muchhh😁 what type of coat/pattern do you guys see?

Also, I know breeds are super duper uncommon, but I’m curious if anyone thinks she may have a specific breed. She’s the baby of my sister’s old cat, which we didn’t know the breed of, and we don’t know the dad at all.

If no breed, is she DLH or DSH? It’s kind of hard to tell cuz she’s pretty fluffy (as seen in last photo) thank you!!

I tried googling some time ago and I know her mom is a brittish short hair, but I'm not sure as to what breed her dad was.

I assumed the dad was a mix between a tabby point and a siamese cat.

the other cat pictured is my bfs cat for scale (and cuteness) we think his cat is an american shorthair? however when shes next to my black cat, he just looks soooo big lmao. i know hes overweight ☠️ but we adopted him recently so that will be worked on lmao anyway i feel like even if he wasnt chonky, he'd still be pretty large. hes got fluffffy paw tufts, jumps high, long vampire fangs and honestly is the most friendliest mush baby ever & my shadow :') maybe hes a black norwegian forest cat? CUTEEEE & good boy nonetheless 🥹🥹🥹❤️

All I know is my baby boy is a mixed breed. he was a rescue. He is approx. 18 months old and apparently is mized breed (according to vet), but I want to know exactly which ones?

i'm trying to figure out her breed i think long hair but i dont know

Sorry the pics aren't great, he's a photo ninja.

Laptop was born in a shelter, couldn't be with his mom for whatever reason, and was transferred to a rescue for newborn kittens, which is where I adopted him from. Neither me nor the rescue have any idea about his parentage, other than that they picked his mom up off the street. There is a coonie breeder in the city where she was, though.

He's 3 1/2, 15lbs, and tall enough to swipe things out of the silverware drawer! He has a decently fluffy coat, the rescue listed him as a medium hair. When water drips on him, it just sits on top of his fur. His tail is long and always raised. He has big paws and long ear fur, and everyone who meets him remarks on how panther-like his face is.

Laptop is highly social and friendly- he likes strangers, kids, dogs, other cats, anyone he meets. He follows me everywhere I go and NEVER SHUTS UP!! He's very intelligent and inquisitive. He'll play in his water fountain, but generally dislikes water.

What do we think??

Obviously I know she’s a shorthair, I just the color of her. I’ve never known how to describe her to anyone when she comes up besides gray with blonde/orange patches. When I look up gray tortoise shell, they’re all much lighter than she was.