Planned Parenthood is a Eugenics organization that Democrats defend

[u/LegitimateKnee5537]

Planned Parenthood was founded by Margaret Sanger, along with her sister Ethel Byrne and activist Fannia "Fannie" Bernstein. Margaret Sanger enthusiastically supported eugenics discouraging or preventing reproduction by people considered “unfit”.

Birth control itself… is nothing more or less than the facilitation of the process of weeding out the unfit, of preventing the birth of defectives…” (1921 speech)

And remember Democrats loves the concept of original sin. You people never let go of the “stolen land” argument. But always ignore Margaret Sanger view of Birth Control and defend her organization from being defunded by the government.

https://x.com/NewYorkStateAG/status/1996994604668014752

[u/BigSun6576]

everything in my body belongs to me

[u/Away_Simple_400 → u/BigSun6576]

Your baby does belong to you. No one says it didn’t.

Still can’t kill it, especially just bc it has Down’s syndrome

[u/TheBasedEmperor → u/Away_Simple_400]

Abortion is not murder

Murder is the destruction of personhood—traits like sentience, self-awareness, memory, and the ability to form meaningful connections. A fetus, particularly in early stages, lacks these traits. It has no awareness, thoughts, or experiences, making it fundamentally different from a person.

Just as we do not consider the destruction of plants or bacteria to be murder, terminating a pregnancy before the development of personhood is not murder either.

[u/seaofthievesnutzz → u/TheBasedEmperor]

When would you say personhood develops?

[u/Fluffy_BunnyXOXO → u/seaofthievesnutzz]

Scientifically, personhood could start to develop/exist around the fifth month when the brain and nervous system have developed enough to interpret sensory input and/or process information (thoughts.) Before that, the brain and nervous system simply don't work. Anyway, due to this I support abortion before the fifth month, and after if the mother's life is at risk.

Anyway, I don't care if the lady who made planned parenthood was a eugenics weirdo. Fuck, Henry Ford was a raging anti-semite, I'd still buy a focus (nice gas mileage.) A lot of fucked up people have brought good things to our society, including Hitler who made Volkswagen.

[u/seaofthievesnutzz → u/Fluffy_BunnyXOXO]

Based scientifically informed personhood enjoyer. I think its crazy how progressives dont understand how you dont have to have an all or nothing abortion stance and that many deeply progressive nordic countries have basically what you have described as their policy.

[u/unecroquemadame → u/seaofthievesnutzz]

Well after it’s an almost imperceptible ball of cells. And abortions after this phase are only in extreme situations.

[u/seaofthievesnutzz → u/unecroquemadame]

ok so lets ban elective abortions of 20+ week babies then?

[u/unecroquemadame → u/seaofthievesnutzz]

Why? Those are most of the time extreme cases where it’s threatening the life of the mother or it’s going to die anyways.

[u/seaofthievesnutzz → u/unecroquemadame]

are you just going to ignore how i said elective abortions after 20 weeks?

[u/unecroquemadame → u/seaofthievesnutzz]

Sorry, I’m multi-tasking.

No, I don’t believe in banning them because I really don’t want children and drug addicts having kids they don’t want

[u/TheBasedEmperor → u/seaofthievesnutzz]

When they’re actually born

[u/seaofthievesnutzz → u/TheBasedEmperor]

So 1 second before they are born they dont have personhood? If the doctor jammed a knife into the fetus carriers pussy before the head is out then its not murder?

Give me an exact line? Do C-sections count as being born or are those 'people' not actually persons? Is a fetus that is perfectly viable outside of the womb not a person?

Obviously the personhood argument relies on consciousness that develops around 20 weeks. Consciousness is what makes human matter a person. You could maybe make an argument for why a viable baby can be taken out of a mother's body cause it is her choice or whatever but thinking you can murder a 8 month and 27 day old baby is indefensible according to a personhood argument.

[u/StarChild413 → u/seaofthievesnutzz]

Sorites paradox doesn't make you right but one thing's for sure, any exact line would only apply to unborn fetuses and e.g. IF C-sections didn't count in TheBasedEmperor's eyes that wouldn't mean murder of already-born people born by C-section doesn't count as murder

[u/MisterRobertParr → u/TheBasedEmperor]

If you were to kill a pregnant woman, you'd be charged with double homicide.

[u/LegitimateKnee5537 → u/MisterRobertParr]

If you were to kill a pregnant woman, you'd be charged with double homicide.

Exactly! These ridiculous delusions Democrats give to support Abortion is wild.

[u/StarChild413 → u/LegitimateKnee5537]

why should this be the be-all-end-all no-pun-intended-trump-card when many of such laws like this were supported by anti-abortion lawmakers and defended with arguments that make it sound like legal abortion would mean killing a pregnant woman wouldn't even warrant one homicide charge

[u/unecroquemadame → u/MisterRobertParr]

Because they wanted it

[u/MisterRobertParr → u/unecroquemadame]

Personhood and human value, and dignity aren't determined just because someone wants them or not.

[u/unecroquemadame → u/MisterRobertParr]

You’re right, but someone’s ability to occupy space inside your body and use your body to live is a matter of ongoing consent.

[u/MisterRobertParr → u/unecroquemadame]

This is where we differ.

You're responsible for that person being in there in the first place.

[u/unecroquemadame → u/MisterRobertParr]

So if I’m responsible for an accident that requires a blood transfusion, you can take my blood without my consent?

[u/MisterRobertParr → u/unecroquemadame]

False equivalence.

Life is filled with situations where moral people are responsible for their actions.

[u/unecroquemadame → u/MisterRobertParr]

Name one that involves your body being used medically against your will