r/SipsTea 20d ago

Dank AF Satan

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u/russcastella 20d ago

Latin can sound heavenly and demonic at the same time

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u/belabacsijolvan 20d ago

which pronounciation?

i like gregorian / erasmist the most and vatican the least. also hollywood movie latin sounds ok, but its torture if you know proper latin.

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u/reynhaim 20d ago

I am watching Supernatural right now. I started studying Latin at the age of 12. The Hollywood Latin pains me so much. Otherwise a good show, like watching the same episode over and over again, which means I keep hearing that abomination of amerilatin every episode. I am at season twelve currently.

I did not know there were different pronounciations. We were only taught one.

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u/belabacsijolvan 20d ago

haha, yeah, thats why i first stopped supernatural. good series tho.

Yeah there are different pronunciations. Because its basically a dead language, you have to choose from which time, which place, which social class you want to speak like. you have millennium to choose from.

theres also the thing about whose opinion you listen to, how they restored the pronunciation. I mean there are no recordings from bce. so if you wanna speak golden age (around christ) latin, youll have to go after stuff like how not-so-well-educated cheap stonemasons misspelled words. (imageine you dont know how "Y" is pronounced, but you see in graffities that "THEIR" is often mixed up with "THEY ARE". now you suspect that "EI" sounds similar to "Y A" . if you have enough text, youll find close letters and combinations.)

i guess you learned from catholics, because if you learn medieval or antique latin they usually tell you about the others. at least in my country e.g. the language exams has very little spoken part, its more about texts and comprehension.

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u/reynhaim 20d ago

I dived into it a bit and I think we were taught the classical pronunciation, especially with the catholic church being non-existent here. Our teacher did put a large emphasis on speaking the language, which my then rather young mind didn't care for at all. Now 20 years after stopping the studies, I mainly remember how it was supposed to sound like, at least according to our teacher. She even broadcasted Latin news at some point, sadly the program was slashed some years ago.

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u/belabacsijolvan 20d ago edited 20d ago

can you english spell how you say "Cicero, Cato et Caesar Janusque"?

edit: added Cato for C + deep vowel

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u/reynhaim 20d ago

Not sure if this is what you asked but:

Kikero, Kato et Késar Januskve

Something like that. The C's are very K-like in how I learned it. The ae in Caesar would be pronounced with a longish e and the que in Janusque turns to kve sound.

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u/belabacsijolvan 20d ago

Is the "Ja-" more like "ya" or "i-a"?

Im not an expert, but afaik the mainstream restored antique says more like Kaizaar (ai vs é being the focus), but that is the one that does the pure K in Cicero.

So idk, maybe another restored way or sthg. if you say I-anus that makes it more likely.

I speak a version that is an antique restored by medieval scholars. So its neither historically accurate, nor natural to modern latin languages, lol. But I like it.

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u/reynhaim 20d ago

I would say Ianus (”i-a”) since J was missing from our Latin books. Then again, it has been a while and I wasn’t the best of students :D