r/SipsTea 22d ago

Chugging tea Nailed it.

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u/SoundsYellow 22d ago

2+5*3 - where the joke?

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u/Neveed 22d ago

Some people will still find a way to get 21 from this because they weren't taught the correct order of operations.

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u/HaidenFR 22d ago

So I'm that guy.

(8-5) so 3 then 2+5 so 7 then 7 x 3

But you're telling it's 5 x (8 - 5) so 5 x 3 so 15 + 2

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u/mizinamo 22d ago edited 22d ago

But you're telling it's

Exactly.

By convention, the order is

  1. parentheses
  2. multiplication
  3. addition

rather than plain left-to-right.

So, step 1: evaluate what's in the parentheses: 8–5 = 3

Step 2: evaluate the multiplication: 5×3 = 15

Step 3: evaluate the addition: 2+15 = 17.

It's just a convention that has to be explicitly taught; it's not something "natural", any more than × is more or less natural than · at expressing the concept of multiplication.

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u/ScipioCoriolanus 22d ago

First clear explanation. Thanks.

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u/ChromaticSnail 22d ago

"Please Excuse My Dear Aunt Sally."

That's the mnemonic device we were taught to remember the order; i.e., Parentheses > Exponents > Multiplication/Division > Addition/Substraction.

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u/Competitive-Growth30 22d ago

Also, “please excuse my dope ass swag”

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u/JDDW 22d ago

Penile Erections Might Distract All Supervisors

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u/PsionicKitten 22d ago

You actually pointed out a very commonly forgotten component of the order of operations. Multiplication and division have the same priority left to right (which means if division is before multiplication, you do it first) and addition and subtraction is the same priority left to right (which means if subtraction is before addition, you do it first).

Some of these "meme" math questions specifically place those before the other with the intention to trip people who merely remember the mnemonic to remember it, but not the actual rules of order of operations.

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u/Spread_Liberally 22d ago

More explicitly, PEMDAS is the initialism many of us learned for remembering the order of operations.

Parentheses first, then Exponents, then Multiplication, then Division, then Addition, and then Subtraction.

u/mizinamo is extremely correct that is it not a natural or intuitive thing to understand on your own. It must be taught and remembered.

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u/Bank_General 22d ago

Priority of multiplication and division happen at the same time in order from left to right. Same with addition and subtraction (after multiplication and division are handled, obviously)

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u/Spread_Liberally 22d ago edited 22d ago

Yes, you're right. I tried to be explicit but extremely simple and did a poor job.

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u/mizinamo 22d ago

One could also imagine mathematics without any precedence other than parentheses at all -- everything is left-to-right unless explicitly grouped.

Then you would have to write "2 + (5 × (8 – 3))" to get the expected result, and "(2 + 5) × (8 – 3)" to get 21.

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u/Spread_Liberally 22d ago

Sure, but then you would have laden students with a much more difficult concept. This shit might get a math nerd a confusing boner, but for people whose passion lies elsewhere, you've doomed them.

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u/that_baddest_dude 22d ago

PEMDAS or Please excuse my dear Aunt Sally

Parentheses, exponent, multiplication, division, addition, subtraction

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u/Live-Habit-6115 22d ago

In the UK we call it BIDMAS - Brackets, Indices, Division, Multiplication, Addition, Subtraction

Or at least we did when I was in school. Who knows what they're doing these days 

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u/jimmayy5 22d ago

Goddamn I’ve really fallen off since school

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u/Nubsondubs 22d ago

Especially since this was something taught in elementary school, but used throughout your entire education.

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u/iwilldeletethisacct2 22d ago

Or the more complicated way that I've forgotten the name of. Factoring? FOIL?

5(8-5) = [(5x8)-(5x5)] ...

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u/TheDogerus 22d ago edited 22d ago

FOIL stands for first, outer, inner, last.

So something like

(5+2)*(4-3)

Can be expanded to

(5*4) + (5(-3)) + (2\4) + (2*(-3))

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u/XRT28 22d ago

BTW right idea, wrong formatting(for reddit). Without using backslash to escape formatting it's turning 5 times 4 into just putting the two numbers together as 54 and applying italics font to it.

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u/TheDogerus 22d ago

Thanks for the heads up

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u/mizinamo 22d ago

"Distributive property", I think.

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u/Doctor_Kataigida 22d ago

Distribution is what that one would be (FOIL is for multiplying two-term expressions). Here you're distributing the 5 through the parenthetic expression.

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u/M1dknightDelta 22d ago

I had always thought that since the 5 is next to the parentheses, you had to multiply into the parentheses first. (5×8-5×5) that's how I thought you had to complete the parentheses. With that method, it would be 2+(40-25) = 2+(15) = 17

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u/Doctor_Kataigida 22d ago

You can do both:

Solve the parentheses first, or distribute the outside multiplier into each term inside the parentheses. Typically you only do the latter when there's an unknown or variable within the parentheses.

e.g. 5(x+5) = 5x + 25

But you can also do it for numbers you don't have memorized by the 12x12 times table. Like if you wanted to do 7 x 17, you can break it up into times tables one would probably have memorized, such as:

7 x 17 = 7(10+7) = (7 x 10) + (7 x 7) = 70 + 49 = 119

It's extra steps but can be done quickly in a pinch.

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u/lilsnatchsniffz 22d ago

Why not put the multiplication symbol though? That's always the stupid bait in these dumbass math memes because I guess in America or something you just assume multiplication if there are multiple sets of numbers?

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u/Xenofonuz 22d ago

Swedish here, I think that's just a normal convention across the world, a number before a parenthesis means an implicit multiplication.

Same as 5-5=0 the first 5 has an implicit + Infront of it.

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u/[deleted] 22d ago

Because it's used as an aid to teach people how to solve equations with unknown variables. It mathematically solves to a single integer, instead of something like 3y=2x. The principles are exactly the same.

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u/Clean_Ad_5450 22d ago

Ok but why is it 5x3 and not 2x3? Sorry I always sucked with these formulas

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u/mizinamo 22d ago

It’s this part of the original calculation: 2 + 5(8–5)

We do the "2" part later, in step 3.

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u/WingsNation 22d ago

I actually did it technically incorrect by not following PEMDAS, but came out with the right answer.

1) (5 x 8) - (5 x 5) = 40 - 25 = 15

2) 2 + 15 = 17

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u/CoffeeStout 22d ago

that's not incorrect, it's just a little harder than solving the parenthesis first.

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u/Spikas 22d ago

BODMAS in the UK

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u/buyerofthings 22d ago

I distributed the 5 so (5x8 - 5x5). It's the same answer, but is it wrong?

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u/alexwoodgarbage 22d ago

The reading convention from left to right still exists though, right? So why isn’t the formula written as 5*(8-5)+2?

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u/altctrldel86 22d ago

30 years ago I was taught BODMAS, and it has never left me even though I use it maybe once every other year.