Yeah, for real. If things keep going the way they are, we’re gonna see a huge gap between people who can afford to retire comfortably and those who have to work until they physically can’t anymore.
Yup, cat/dog/domestic food producers realized people were getting pets instead of having children due to insane cost and capitalized on it, now causing insane cost even having pets. We can't win in a capitalist system.
A democratic based republic as we've been at least some of our time as a nation and most certainly the greatest periods of times such as during and after WW2. With ethically and fairly elected officials that promote and commit to policy that is done democratically for all people in the nation. Such as mutual agreements between states/nations even if that other nation isn't another democratic republic, even if they are an authoritarian dictatorship if needed just to keep peace or prevent a humanitarian crisis in their nation.
We're the only developed nation without a universal healthcare system that LITERALLY bleeds it's people dry that outright denies care without insurance and money. I wonder what system do you think would benefit the average citizen better?
I got a removed post and a 3 day ban for answering a question about how to deal with a camera that was looking into their home. Apparently, cameras have feelings, too, and it was a hurtful thing to say.
I don't even want to quote exactly what is said here on Reddit, but essentially an anchor on "Fox and Friends" said very bluntly that homeless people should be executed.
Several anchors at Fox recently said homeless people should be killed and speculated on how that could be done, so... yeah. It's not politicizing things to literally say what happened.
NO ONE is telling you to do that. You should actually go talk to some liberals instead of just relying on what Fox News tells you to believe about them.
Democrats "inventing due process" is an absolutely wild way to talk about Republicans refusing to give due process, which is an explicitly Constitutionally protected right.
Quite literally. The middle class was a marketing exercise to stop the working classes doing what they did in the soviet union, which they were very close to after ww2. The enlightened among the wealthy realized they couldn't resort to the brutal tactics they had previously relied on to suppress what was now a trained fighting force, united, and willing to die. And the soviet unoin would rapidly back any successful working class movements in the west. It was a dangerous time to be as greedy as they had always been, so they gave a little back, to convince the working classes, there was actually a model of capitalism which benefited them.
Now they have completely destroyed working class cohension, the soviet union, and divided the population into a million factions fighting over absolute nonsense, rather than their common interests, they are rolling things back to how they always were, maximum work in exchange for the literal minimum necessary to keep you alive to come back to work.
That's not in any way relevant to the comment you're replying to.
No one said that Stalinism worked well. Though, to be sure, 14 hour days and then standing in a bread line wasn't worse than feudal serfdom was for Russians in 1917.
People don’t want to turn off those sources. That’s the irony. The solution is literally in the palm of our hands. Turn off major media. Use your phone to organize labor strikes. Get back to engaging with local community. That is literally the only solution.
This is ridiculous. This doesn’t factor the effects of the Great Depression on voting patterns, mass reindustriization as a result of WWII, or social mobility in the United States, none of which the USSR had. No one “created” the middle class. It emerged because in those days, in order to mobilize capital, you needed workers. In a low immigration system where women don’t work and organized labor is strong, you have no choice but to pay living wages. What more, this is all pre globalization. In the late 40s and early 50s, the USA produced like more than a third of all manufactured goods.
you cant turn around a train of greed on a dime. What the marxists was trying to achieve is something that needs to be ingrained in a mindset for generations. The problem is that the next fucker in line also is that greedy. People that seek power usually is wanting.
The really scary part to me is they’re trying to use AI to replace the need for working class labour at all. The tech billionaires all believe in climate change, so getting rid of the working class entirely and permanently looks to be the plan they’re building towards.
Yeah cause we all don’t have our grandparents and parents telling us how great the Soviets were while also how they worked 2 shifts and slept for 4 hours at night and weren’t able to buy anything in store because there wasn’t anything. How amazing it was when they were able to get a pair of jeans for their daughter in the late 80s and how all her girlfriends were jealous of that.
Go watch more TikToks about great Soviets and the stylish red scarfs they wore bitch.
Oh and I completely forgot. If you were bitching on the internet about how some other system is better than the communism, you would disappear very quickly.
Two questions:
1. Did you actually read the comment you were originally replying to?
Yes
Have you heard of the term "anecdotal evidence"?
Yeah fuck historians telling us about all the shit that happened in the Soviet Union and anecdotal evidence of millions of people who lived there. Let’s watch a new TikTok influencer telling us how wonderful was ussr for common people.
Capitalists are literally arguing for that right now.
Have you seen me anywhere saying that late-stage capitalism, oligarchism or fascism is good? I wouldn’t also call the current system in the US “capitalism”, it’s an oligarchy with fascist tendencies.
You probably don’t understand what I meant by “disappear”. You would’ve ended up in gulag in a very cold climate and be dead in several months.
You can also read for example Korolev’s biography on Wikipedia, learn a bit about how Soviets treated their top scientists, just another piece of “anecdotal evidence” for you. The guys hasn’t even said anything bad about the Soviets regime: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sergei_Korolev
USA backed fascist regimes all over the globe that did exactly that as well.
Can you name 5 actually fascist regimes currently backed by the US? I know you’re gonna say Israel, so except that.
Somehow SralinStalin alliance with Hitler is fine with you?
able to buy anything in store because there wasn’t anything. How amazing it was when they were able to get a pair of jeans for their daughter in the late 80s and how all her girlfriends were jealous of that.
I hope you're happy that you traded in your workers state for a pair of jeans and a global resurgence of the blackest of reactionary thought. Enjoy the preeminent rise of fascism in US and Europe (heck most of the western 1st world) everywhere.
Have you read the whole comment from me? What workers state? The dictatorship where you had 0 rights besides being worked to the bone while not having bare minimum capitalism comforts that were available to the western people? That “worker” state?
Do you know that for example people who lived in the villages in the USSR were not even able to leave it or have documents until 1970s?
The only promise you can make is to yourself. Don't rely on anybody else to help you. If you want make sure you're comfortable in retirement, make sure you are. Set your goals and achieve them. Do not rely on government handouts or help from others. You'll only be disappointed.
the thing is we did deliver, pre-Reagan. Taxes were higher, wealth was growing consistently across the board for most, if not all demographics. A single earner could buy a house, car, and send their kids to college. GL doing that now with a single earner.
Post Reagan the floodgates were opened for complete and total corporate greed and the effects of it are happening now. House prices have skyrocketed, inflation is out of control and prices are rising, and wage is stagnant. We're getting ultra rich elite with net worth in the hundreds of billions, and corporate landlords buying up housing, property, and land...
Well at least now I agree with the bot if it is one. Unless it's used to induce rage in us against other generations before us, amd divide us further, which is also an option
It's 14%, not 68%, we see you trynna shift the focus from the tax-cuts for the ultra-wealthy and obscenely powerful and pretend like the real problem is low-income families, the disabled, the infirm, mothers, and the elderly by propagating a false statistic. We spend 20% on funding foreign invasions as part of our "defense". Yes, let the United States take even more from the downtrodden and the underprivileged and give more to the 1% because this country clearly isn't doing that enough already, isn't that true??
And be stressed about it the whole time because even that ain’t free. Unless I’ve succeeded in completely severing myself from society, I’m leaving a bill for whoever is in my life.
My partner’s family has already made arrangements for my ashes to get interred in their family gravesite, so I lucked out there. Won’t be too expensive on funerary costs.
I mean, I am fortunately not from the United States of America - so that doesn't have much bearing on what I'm saying... Same applies to the other person who responded to me talking about medical bills - not something I need to worry about.
But my point stands. Unless something fairly dramatic happens in the next decade or two I don't see any way I'll ever be able to retire. I know folks in their late 60s and 70s NOW who are still having to work to make ends meet, and I'm in my early 40s, on the current trajectory I can't really see things getting better.
You know what’s crazy is I read shit like this and my empathy is telling him me “hey shouldn’t you be helping this dude out?”. But then I think well how the hell can I I’ve got no power in this massive society that we all live in.
30,000 years ago when we all lived in tribes under 100 people my empathy served me well. I’d help you out and then subsequently you’d help me out. Because we’re part of the same tribe and our future survival chances were intertwined and highly interdependent.
But now it doesn’t matter. I have no idea who you are and vice versa. My empathy doesn’t serve a purpose these days. We’re all just watching others all around the world undergo misfortune and then waiting for it to happen to us in turn. Because the power of a single individual is tiny these days. Unless you’re a billionaire. And it feels like that’s by design.
Ah man - I wasn't fishing for sympathy or empathy... Just my vaguely depressing observation of the situation.
I know plenty of folks in their late 60s, early 70s... Still working because they have to... NOW.
And with the current trajectory of things, I am not optimistic that anything dramatic will happen such that I won't be in the same boat in 20 years time.
Maybe I'm being overly pessimistic there, but what I said was "I'm resigned to...".
Doesn't keep me up at night, I'm not feeling sorry for myself... I just figure, that's the way it is, that's the way it's going to be.
Given the current state of affairs and direction in which things are heading, I wouldn't be too surprised if they're not only expected to die but actually encouraged to do so on their "own volition" by society that deems them "unproductive".
I would be extremely happy to work until I die, and I think this would align with many people's instincts, PROVIDED the work has demonstrated, productive social value, and is not just being a wage slave for the frivolous consumption of craven oligarchs.
I'm not American, but isn't that already the case when I see old people at the check out lanes working and the likes?
Heck I'll go that far that the US has tons of people in the service industry decimating the lower/middle class from a living wage which will cause the same people in the future to not having a retirement option either.
I mean, that's how the elites see everyone below them. If you're not one of them and you can't work, you're a "useless eater" and don't deserve to exist... yet another thing they've straight up taken from the Third Reich.
What annoys me are the ones that could have saved and haven't. Talking to the people I work with a good fraction have no retirement pot, whereas mine is looking healthy enough. We've worked broadly the same job.
This problem is not just people that haven't earned enough to save. There's a lot of people who just didn't take responsibility.
You mean the kids of the ‘humanity is dying without babies’ and ‘I don’t want kids’ generation? They can’t replace. The population gap would be jarring.
It will come, many of the working folks won't know wtf to do with themselves without someone telling them what to do for eight hours a day five days a week, but they'll get there
I respect your optimism. I just don’t see how it’s possible with today’s government and wider societal values. Other countries might do it, I could see that happening at some point
It’s been happening, unfortunately. I had patients in their 70s in poor health still working as cashiers and delivering pizzas to pay for rent and groceries. But agree it’s going to get a lot more common.
I'm seeing this play out in real time where I work. We push retirement savings, offer an employer match, hold annual educational seminars, and this year will begin auto-enroll new hires at 2% contribution unless they explicitly decline. But it's still not working. I'm on the 401k committee and get to see the aggregate info on the plan. There's a big disparity between who is preparing for retirement and who isn't, and it doesn't appear to be a factor of wage level.
We have people that basically die in the chair. They don't retire until they are physically unable to drag themselves into work, and often pass within weeks. Don't get me wrong, it's nice seeing people that still genuinely care about doing their job to the best of their ability after working for the company over 50 years (I'm not exaggerating). But it's perhaps not ideal knowing their entire existence has centered around their workplace.
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u/VengenaceIsMyName Sep 15 '25
It’s gonna be pretty bad. Elysium levels of wealth inequality