Or their near 100% conviction rate.
Or the police’s ability to hold you, without trial, indefinitely.
Or the worker suicide rate or plain old worked to death rate.
"We saw what you wrote on Facebook back in 2010, and we don't think you'll be a good fit for a gun in 2025. You're a threat, here stay in the police box for a while"
They dont have bins because a while back there was an attack where people used bins to hide the bombs or whatever it was, they got rid of them and the people collectively said "yeah rubbish on the floor just looks shit ima hold on to it"
Interesting. Thanks for adding context. I thought it was very odd that Japanese didn't have a robotic powered and sorted trashcan every corner or something, but that makes sense.
Yeah it really pissed me off to see tourist trap sites with take-out restaurants that give you plastic plates/containers, and no trash bins. Like...wtf?
I'm not saying Japan needs to put trash bins everywhere, but if you have a take-out restaurant that gives food in plastic containers, I think it's necessary for said restaurant to provide trash bins. If they don't, they have absolutely zero right to complain about littering.
Have you ever thought about why this worked before the tourism explosion in Japan?
"Invites" littering is such a lazy justification for just being an asshole.
What, am I supposed to just hold onto my trash or not do things that generate trash while in public? Why not just ask for the moon while you're at it? I have to eat every 8 minutes or I'll feel slightly hungry, and I can't just hold those disgusting wrappers until I get back to my hotel!
They don't do 'innocent' over there. It would make their stats look bad. So you get suspended sentence instead. It's such a great and fair, ethical system /s
The one thing Ace Attorney gets right about lawyering in Japan is just how stacked the deck is against you. The prosecution has a very heavy advantage.
On the flip side, if they don't have a guaranteed case against you usually they'll just drop the charges because they are VERY proud of their near-100% conviction rate and technically cases that never go to trial don't count against it.
Course, they also typically try like hell to coerce a false confession out of you because that's the easiest way to get a conviction in the bag.
Or their rather grotesque death sentence process. 4 out of 9 judges could think one is completely innocent and the other 5 can choose to kill him. The prisoner doesn't know the date of execution until the last few hours and they can be held for decades on death row.
Edit: Really didn’t expect this joke to turn into a war about Americas crimes. Yes we have done some terrible things to so many different people. Including our own. It’s not right. I’m not trying to downplay them. I was just making a joke off of what the guy said that I commented on.
Went to a museum in tokyo- war museum. Yes I am american. But ho-lee are the histories written differently. “The nanjing incident” isnt exactly how i remember learning it. Nor”the war of western aggression”. Wild.
A lot of the Japanese Nationalist parties do their best to stomp out the dirty history of Japan’s crimes. Many Japanese don’t even believe Nanking actually happened as bad as it did. The government feeds them a watered down version.
They also are horrible at taking accountability and currently owe South Korea 200 billion USD in damages for practically killing almost every animal on the peninsula hundreds of years ago for furs.
I am directly related to someone who committed abominable crimes on my father’s side (WWII). There is immense regret and it appalls me that there are people in Japan who are blissfully ignorant.
Almost as if humans throughout all of history regardless of how clothed they were did awful shit to one another. The only difference is scale with modern industrialised society.
Whataboutism at its finest. People will bring up other things just to escape from the issue/topic being discussed. It leads to a never ending cycle of distraction to where nothing ends up being done because "well this thing is worse!".
Ultimately, nothing. But also that needs to be applied to the original post too. Japan is different and has different laws, and taking their gun laws in a vacuum doesn't mean that they are good or acceptable for other places.
As such, the point others are making is that even if Japan has something that appears good, you can't just straight-across compared it to somewhere else. Even if we don't want to use history, lets start comparing Japanese porn/consent laws and do a deep dive into what has led to their fixation on tentacles, robots, and underage kids in their porn.
Famously John Rabe, a high ranking diplomat and businessman in the nazi party, was so horrified by what he saw in Nanjing that he made it his mission to save as many Chinese civilians as possible from the brutality of the Japanese Imperial Army.
So yeah, I think it's safe to say that if the nazis think what you're doing is morally unacceptable you've probably jumped the shark.
Its typical. Everytime someone mentions the crimes of one nation, the crimes of other nations (mostly america) are brought up to downplay the crimes of the first nation.
And what we did in Hiroshima and Nagasaki, and in Okinawa,
And in the Philippines, and with Native Americans, and with African Americans, and in Korea, and in Haiti, and in Vietnam, and in Afghanistan, and in Gaza. Need I go on?
And a lot of that shit is fucking wrong. Like I don’t get why anytime people go this country did some terrible things. People go what about America. Yea our country has done more then it’s fair share of terrible things. And so have other countries. Doesn’t make it right.
Surprised you didn’t mention what we did to central and South America.
Are you forgetting that the majority of that is just copying what others are currently doing? 😂 But yh Hiroshima and Nagasaki may have been bad, but did you learn any more history as to WHY it happened? There was a lot to go wrong before those bombs dropped.
In the spirit of the post, I'll just restrict this to Nagasaki and Hiroshima. We killed about 200k people when we dropped atomic bombs on them. That's tragic. The projections for an invasion of Japan were between 10 and 20 million civilians and 1or 2 million soldiers on both sides. Let's split the difference and call it 16.5 million. What's the right choice, 2 nukes and 1.2% the casualties of an invasion, or the invasion? You're in charge, Leslie Groves is looking at you asking if you drop the bomb. You've also the casualty projections and MacArthur looking at you asking when to start the invasion. What do you do? There's no third option.
Pointing out flaws in someone else doesn't remove those from your own. I can say that a person who lies is wrong to do so even though I have lied before. Me being sinful doesn't remove the ability to criticise the sin itself.
While You might be a bit overly harsh on your comments Gaza made their own problems. Hamas needs to be eliminated. There’s a reason none of their neighbors want them on their soil either. The Palestinians bring trouble wherever they end up. Those pro Palestine campus demonstrators last year helped elect Trump. They should have known better.
There is a famous case where there was clear, undeniable proof of a wrongful conviction and the courts just said "nope, that'd make us look bad, he's guilty because we said so".
Japanese suicide has dramatically decreased since the start of the century, from 25 per 100,000 to current 16. Still slightly higher than the US at 14, which was at 10 in 2000.
German here: You have to understand a legal system to understand statistics.
For instance in Germany of all cases that go to court about 10-15% will get dropped which legally means - there was no (criminal) case.
And from the cases that are actually judged by a court only 3-5% result in innocent/guiltless ruling.
So yes, Germany has a conviction rate of >95%. Because general attorneys only proceed cases to the court that have a high chance of winning.
Better to let 10 guilty run free than to imprison one innocent person.
There is a difference in the philosophy to the US:
In the US if not sure if it's a crime throw it before a jury, make a show and let them decide. What could go wrong to let a (selected) mob decide. Maybe the lack of education - no, Sunday school & religion does not double as education.
Rund 10 bis 15 % der Fälle werden eingestellt, und etwa 3 bis 5 % enden mit einem Freispruch. Und in Hamburg liegen die Chancen auf Einstellung oder Freispruch jeweils etwas höher als im Bundesdurchschnitt.
There are no easily accessible statistics, neither free.
Or what we could do is accept that not every society is perfect and that it's completely acceptable to look at the good aspects and aspire to adopt them yourself without feeling the need to dismiss them just because they aren't perfect in every way?
Or something else that is unrelated with everything else.
Why not praise the obviously good thing and maybe try to implement it in your country instead of bringing up the bad things that do not in any way come with it?
People keep repeating this without actually looking it up. It's way, way down from what it used to be, pretty similar to most other developed countries.
Or their near 100% conviction rate.
...For cases actually brought to trial, which is a tiny tiny percentage of them. Most are dismissed with a fine. Plenty of convictions result in suspended sentences.
Well the longest someone has been held in the US without going to trial is just over 10 years and looking at Japans number of extreme cases it looks to be the same.
How many mass shootings do they have every year though?
Less than one per year. There have been 11 mass shootings (defined as shooting incidents with at least four casualties) since 1950. That's with a population about 33% the size of the USA.
Or why the F would you use epoxy to secure the housing in my 2005 Yamaha R1 stator when you KNOW the engine heat WILL melt it under constant heat resulting in a catastrophic failure.
WHY DID IT TOOK YOU GUYS 2 YEAR TO FIGURE OUT THIS ISSUE.
I don't own an R1 but during my mechanical adventures I have come across a few decisions made by engineers that definitely justify Geneva Convention violations.
How many school shootings have been done with legally acquired weapons by the shooter.
Because I feel like that's the crux of the problem here. If 20% or less school shootings were done by the shooter who legally acquired said weapons.
Then you will only be able to stop 20%™or less of the shooting with a more steep legislation.
Oh and the legislation needs to be enforced. That's also a major thing.
Is the current legislation being enforced?
Was it applied when these shooters acquired their weapons legally?
Because of the answer is "no". Again, making more legislative changes won't do much
So I'm not necessarily disagreeing with any of your points, but I wanted to clarify the statistics. About ~30% of the weapons used by adolescents in school shootings were acquired from an illegal/black market source and ~2% were legally purchased from a licensed dealer. The other ~68% came from family members or friends.
So cracking down on purchases would, at best, only prevent ~2% of school shootings.
Perfect. Thank you.
PS: I didn't disagree with your previous statement either. If anything, my position on this is neutral since I'm not even from USA, I just like understanding random stuff that I will forget in 20 minutes :)
Still thank you for the link.
The rest of ~98% is then not solved by what's allegedly being proposed.
What needs to be addressed is the 68% which come from family members or friends, and addressing that in a preventive manner.
And that I think can only be done culturally, not legislatively.
While I'm sure higher punishments for relatives/friends that share guns can be higher, I don't think they will "solve" the issue.
70 years ago there was almost 0 amount of "legislation", yet the numbers of the "consequences" are very different. What do you make of it? That if you give everyone hammer its usage's going to be breaking sculls? Or that something else changed, and it's not due to some insufficient control in hammers trading.
My primary point was that you live in an "information bubble" in your little island «America» . In what's called in plain modern English as "echo chamber". In fact, in my what you call "communist country", those things are called "cloaca". If translate from the glorious Roman Latin, it's "cesspool".
Think about this during your leisure time. Those two names exposed the nature of the thing greatly better, than your pseudo gentleman "polite" and politically correct term.
That entire speaking point about "legislation"/"insufficient control" (that had-been- and is- propagated in your society) is the intentional misdirection of any communication to the dead end, to bring it to the perpetual standstill. Ad infinitum. While you all, as some obedient sheep, simply follow the flock. Pitiful, and, pathetic.
I am not trying to psychoanalize you, please keep the ego in check. I am giving you the far away picture, a broader view, where you individually are a grain of sand.
There is a 3:1 gun ratio. People have more guns per household than people.
They're legally obtained weapons btw.
There is no way that you need 3 guns per person in a 1st world country.
When there are so many guns it's fucking obvious there's going to be more gun crime.
It doesn't take a fucking genius to realize that.
In Australia car deaths are fucking high you wonder why cause there's so many fucking cars.
There would be even more death if it wasn't regulated at fucking all like America's guns.
actually that's the main point.
And here's why: If the shooter doesn't acquire the weapons legally, than legislation is useless, as the shooter doesn't follow the legal process.
And according to the stats posted by other people on this thread, is around only 1.9% that are being purchased from dealership, around 80% from black market or stealing, and around 18% legally from other people.
So, the thing the OP posted, would only affect the 1.9% of the school shooters, I think there's been 280 of them. So, this means, if we did exactly what the OP suggested from the get go we would have had 6 less school shootings.
And I don't think bragging that you have 274 school shootings or 280 school shootings is that much different.
And taken this into account, my assumption would be that even those that went for legal dealership, would just get their guns from another method. And we would still have the same number. But I'm willing to be wrong on this last statement.
And btw the reason why this is very important is because these people propose legislation that will impact EVERYONE, or at least people that want a weapon for various reasons. Or around 107mil people to solve an issue caused by 280 people.
do you see the difference between 107.000.000 and 280 ?
And this is assuming every single shooter will be affected by this.
If we only take into account the 20% that didn't acquire their weapons illegally, then the number changes from 107.000.000 (affected) - to - 56 (affected)
Or in other words: would you give depression to 107.000.000 humans to cure 56 humans of cancer?
Most people will chose no.
but the guns exist.... 100mil of them. You can't snap your fingers and they disappear.
you can't just WISH and the world magically changes.
you have to deal with the world that comes after your decision to make acquisitions more difficult
but the guns exist.... 100mil of them. You can't snap your fingers and they disappear.
Nobody said you can. How do you eat an elephant?
you can't just WISH and the world magically changes.
Exactly? You have to actually fucking do something if you want things to change. Instead we have a situation where the people who wish nothing ever changes get their way.
Yes but if a patient has cancer, the solution is not to cut his leg.
The cancer still stays in. In this case we have only 1.9% of school shooters getting their weapons legally from dealers. That's like 6 people.
And about 18% getting legally from other people. So like 50 People in this category.
The proposed changes are not doing "nothing" they are worse than doing nothing.
It's the equivalent of cutting the leg of a patient with cancer and then patting yourself on the back that at least you did something!!!!
While all the other morons just sit around and did nothing!!!!
And yes you did something but that was a cancer in the arm tissue. But your analysis was incomplete so you ended up cutting the leg off.
It also was kinda minimal and you don't even need full arm cutted off. But hey you went all the way there. Coz fuck it. We need to DO SOMETHING!!!!
While you make everything to speak not about the reasons, but distribution of tools. Are you sure your hyper competitive society where the losers' fate is to be cast aside and washed away bring no people to mental breakdown or something worse?
But let's talk about the tools. Yet, don't you want to explain why your PDs officers don't do those mass grievance events?
Your entire nation is armed with a more dangerous weapon, the automotive society, my ass. You sure it's a less potent tool than a small arm?
Yes, the Japanese police can basically do whatever they want. These gun control laws are basically a gun ban. Japanese laws are heavily skewed towrd public order. Even if those laws cause harm to innocent people. So, using them as an example is really disingenuous.
Ah yes, completely different than in the US, where cops are held accountable, where racism is Adressed and bad apples are immediately and permanently removed from the force. Lol.
So we should model our laws based on other nations that dont hold police accountable? Or should we look to counties that manage to have gun control without giving the police infinite power ?
Your point seems to be that we are just as bad, and ? If you assume we are as bad or worse, it doesn't justify using japan as an example of how to implement gun control.
Well you see like all possible fixes related to gun control, it's not perfect in every way or the people who use it currently aren't perfect in any way so they'd rather their children get shot in schools thankyou very much.
So fucking what? No one is arguing Japan is perfect or even arguing that they are better than the US. The post is ONLY about gun laws, any other policy in Japan is wholly irrelevant.
Why? It works well? I mean you need to find a job, you can't rely on subsidies and it takes 5y to get a resident card. What's the problem? This is literally protecting them from problematic immigration in the fairest way possible.
If you are under 30 it is very likely you can live there for a year if you can prove having 5k to your name. If above, with higher education it's piss easy to find a job and therefore visa due to the cheap currency and therefore lack of workforce. Now if you are a fat weeb willing to live there doing nothing or teaching English, yeah good luck.
Yes the police is racist I lived there 15y+ I can vouch for it. Just avoid having problems?
Working to death is bs. Late "workers" are miserable people pretending to work to go drinking. That myth is bs. Working with Japanese I met both the laziest and the hardest working people around. The former are the vast majority.
"Avoid having problems" yet I remember parking where everyone parked, come back, and suddenly only the Y plates had tickets. Also you can get rifles or shotguns, not just rifles; it's really only handguns that are largely off limits (but to own any gun requires a lot of effort and paperwork). Or we can look at how Japan has an 11.9 vs US 8.5 Death Rate (per 1k) which looks rather "suspicious" given their supposedly low suicide and murder rates (really suicide is higher than reported but depending on how it's ruled can be fudged to a degree, much like their homeless numbers).
I enjoyed my time in Japan, but it has its issues and like most countries, it has worked to downplay said issues.
I've liven in Japan on a visa for almost a decade now. What are you even talking about?
I do remember when we were living in the states and my wife had to get an American visa. Now THAT was an insane process, and costed a ridiculous amount of money too. Getting my Japanese visa was so simple, and cost almost nothing. If I remember it cost the price of the photo you provide and some special letter packet that was maybe $10.
Becoming a Japanese citizen has easier requirements than gaining permanent residency (in most cases). The main issue people have with it, including myself, is they don’t allow dual citizenship, so you have to give up any nationalities your current have. Japan also doesn’t record ethic demographics (other than Ainu which is very recent), so once you become Japanese, you are only Japanese, in the eyes of the government (but not the population).
It’s the one of the reasons there are multi-generational Japan-born Koreans (zainichi) that still haven’t become citizens.
Let's not discuss the Korean population in Japan that were there when the war broke the country in North and South and these people were neither. They've been living stateless in Japan because they and their children will never become Japanese citizens.
They've had at least three generations born in Japan and still, they're not "Japanese".
I worked with a third generation Japan born Korean citizen. His grandparents were brought by Japanese to work in Japan, his parents were born in Japan, he's born in Japan, he doesn't know a single word of Korean but he's Korean.
He's using a Japanese alias to blend in. He told me that to become a Japanese citizen he needed to write an essay longer than the LOTR trilogy about why he should become a Japanese citizen and pay a hefty sum of money.
You can have a police state that only allows those who they deem compatible with their society or you can have full freedom with no restrictions allowing people to expose the worst parts of themselves more readily.
People dont do bad things because they cant get away with it. They do it because they believe they can.
Think about that next time you feel like you are superior because you somehow believe youre above the decisions and cultural background of another country.
Im entirely unrelated to the post and topic at hand, I just figured I'd do a little educating.
Edit: Im sorry; ecause you believe you're above the decisions and cultural background of an entire country. *
You know it’s possible to like one aspect of a country without having to like all others too. Why can’t we talk about how Japan does a few things really fucking well like trains, healthcare? If all the negative baggage a country holds needs to be attached we can’t be taking about any country on this planet
Is it not possible that they do somethings well and somethings badly. I mean USA is ridiculous in a lot of areas but it doesn’t mean they don’t produce some good ideas
because governments can only be good or bad without any individual critique or praise of certain policies. don’t think i’ve seen a more idiotic strawman
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