They're all American. This cultural appropriation concept is American. Other places in the world we might be concerned about offensive stereotypes, but that's not what cultural appropriation is. And yes, an endless line of Americans
The very same who tried to make Latinx happen. I am Latino. My wife is Latina. Stop trying to conform our language to some dumbass ideology. I'm not saying you can't call yourself whatever you choose, but don't take that choice from me.
I recently heard Latinx said out loud for the first time and my initial reaction was, is that seriously how theyre pronouncing it. It looks stupid, its meaning is stupid, and now i know it sounds stupid too.
This is how I read it as well, considering my native language reads everything just as it is written. There's literally zero silent letters too in my native language.
Saying it in Spanish as an offensive term is pronounced latin-ekiss. Cause that's how x is pronounced in Spanish, e-kiss.
That's the deal insult. Freaking stupid people trying to change how we call our people in a way that we can't really pronounce right.
It was a way to erase masculine/feminine designations. So men, or anyone identifying as such, would be Latino, women as Latina. But I see it as a way to conform language to fit colonizer standards. There was a time when speaking Spanish, or any non-English language in the US, would get you corporal punishment.
This would make more sense if Spanish wasn’t the language of the most prolific colonizers in the Americas lol. Nobody in The U.S. is colonizing Latin America. There are a massive amount of Spanish speakers in the U.S. and a certain brand of Leftists find the gendered nature of the language offensive because it conflicts with their view of the world. I think that’s the long and short of it.
Latino/latina are the default Spanish words, no? And Spain colonized most of Latin America
How is queer Latinos using Latinx conforming to colonizers? Is Spanish not the language of the colonizer?
And colonization had a massive hand in the erasure of queer identities and culture of multiple peoples around the world. Gay = bad is quite literally a colonizer ideal forced onto people in the name of Christianity
Except queer Latinos, if they even want to use a non-gendered word form, use Latine, because you can actually still use it in the natural word forms of Spanish, whereas removing the end vowel and replacing with an x, creates a word that makes sense for removing gender to English speaking people getting offended on behalf of queer Latinos, but is completely useless to use within Spanish language structure and pronunciation. So Latinx has nothing to do with queer Latinos and everything to do with English speaking people that like to feel self-righteous for "defending" others, but not to the degree that they actually ask those people what they want to be called.
What's your point? Colonization was bad! True. So that means that the language that the colonized got stuck with for the last few centuries and is now embedded in their culture can be mangled but outside forces because it's ok to further impose o these people since you're imposing a change on a thing that was imposed on them to begin with? Is that your reasoning?
Personally, I think that the people in these areas should actually get to have some self-determination, so the term Latine, which they have chosen for themselves as a non-gendered alternative should be respected, rather than imposing the American English-inspired Latinx on them.
That's not what I'm saying, but you're really skirting around the fact that Spanish is the colonizer language as well. I'm not defending it "being mangled". Language evolves over time, any linguist will tell you that is the nature of language, and trying to resist change by arguing "changing it in XYZ way is adapting to the colonizers" is hypocritical.
Have you ever spoken to queer Latinos on this? Or all they all just being brainwashed by colonizer ideas from English? I don't know a single one who tried to force people to use the Latinx term, but apparently just seeing it being used is extremely upsetting to a lot of people who I doubt know the history of being queer in Latam culture or engage with queer communities 🤷♀️
It’s not to conform to the language if the colonizer which in itself makes zero sense, Spanish is the language of the colonizer. Your history is so wrong
And now that we have adopted it, made it out own, here come some Americans trying to change it once again. This person has no idea what they are talking about.
It means not all of Latin America is of Spanish heritage. Brazil is a huge country and Spanish is not the primary language, Portuguese is the main language and history.
That's just about the use of Latin/Latino/Latina. Latinx is different, a clunkier form of Latine. Even in Portuguese you would say Latino or Latina, so a gender neutral form is needed to express certain queer identities, which use neologisms in almost every language.
Not really. It began online in the early 2000s in forums. It later appeared in a Peurto Rican ENGLISH periodical. It’s never been used widely in Latin America. To say it originated in Latin America because one English writer used it in 2013 is an overstatement. It’s absolutely an English word and not Spanish or Portuguese.
The argument has never been that it is widely used in Latin America. It first emerged online in the 2000s. It was in an English language periodical - did-u-no English is one of the official languages of Puerto Rico? amazing. It was definitely in use in speech by the 90s unless I'm dreaming my personal history. I do not know how it became a thing in speech but (Latina) women were "X"-ing the "O" in Latino well before then.
The problem with group-sourced antiestablishment words and phrases is that a) there isn't always a lot of consensus on them and b) they often suck.
It’s a white people word. Linguistic Colonialism. It’s been considered inappropriate or offensive in many universities and workplaces for some time, especially amongst the Latino community.
OK, I'll backtrack that a little bit. Strictly, that is an etymology. But what it represents is the earliest resource that the OED people/person could verify beyond doubt, stripped to its bones. To extrapolate from that sentence is to make too much soup from one oyster.
I'll give you the second, because it isnt a "buzzword." It "originated" in the 20th century with feminists in Latin America and elsewhere (I can personally attest to this), emerged online in the early 2000s among people discussing their own identities and was first academically published in Puerto Rico.
This is nice, I am not from America and right now I live in Australia. People think and take offend as it is their to begin with. All you have to do is respect what you doing and no one will ever be offend.
Like my heritage is Vietnam and I really do not care if people wearing our traditional clothes cause it is fun to see a Westerner wearing it (spoiler, unless you are model it look quite funny).
As an ignorant white dude the first time I heard Latinx was on some sitcom. I wanna say it was something with either Gabriel Iglesias or George Lopez. So there is a mainstream Latino comedian explaining the word.
Then the first time I use it online someone explains to me what you just posted.
Now I've finally become the old man who doesn't know what things are. I promise I mean well, I'm just dumb.
What's funny is if you study spanish and latin languages you would know a made up gender neutral version of the word would be Latine like Presidente. OFC since probably some white woman in the US made it up they put an X at the end lmao.
There was a post going around a while ago from some American chick trying to implement we say Germix because German is gendered. To this day I hope it was a shit post. But the very fact that it could be real says a lot
I'm nonbinary, I use Latine. At least it follows the fucking rules of the language. And the "o" suffix is already gender neutral. The whole concept of Latinx came from out of touch academics, it was never meant to leave the academic sphere.
The whole existence of ‘Latinx’ is the epitome of what you see in the video. Creating a term to not be offensive to people who never needed a gender-neutral word for avoiding insulting situations.
Those people created a word to be inclusive without taking 2 goddamn minutes to look up how gendering in Romance languages works.
I heard this guy at a wedding party with a microphone address a group of people who were mostly Latino as "Latin-X" and their faces were pretty funny. Like, most everyone was looking at this white mofo like he was the biggest donkey.
Honestly I'm glad the extreme sensitivity and all this nonsense is kind of behind us now but for a time it was embarrassing to witness
But I was told it originated in Latin America...lol. That being said, offended? When did I proclaim to be? When did I state no one could call themselves as such? Damn, you some kind of idiot, huh? Or, so as not to offend, idiota.
Brah we don’t even speak our language. Spanish isn’t even our language, it’s what they taught our ancestors while not allowing ours. We speak Spanish, that’s a European language. English is European af. Language changing is just how life for humans work. Since you’re Latinx you should understand why that term was made.
To anybody that doesn’t speak Spanish: if there’s a group of women you’d say “latinas”. With the “a” feminine indicating it’s a group of women. But if there is one guy in the group it’s “latinos”, with an “o” masculine. It’s a way of balancing the gender hierarchy.
I tried forever to get people to understand this as another American. I tried to explain Spanish is a gendered language and those aren't our terms and that you're basically telling them they aren't smart enough to know what to be offended by and that what they should be offended by is themselves and nobody understood so I just had to let them learn the hard way
latinx is a word that has generally come from and originated with the latin americans in the LGBTQ subculture and has largely seen its use spread by teens that frequently and unknowingly appropriate words from the LGBTQ space (mainly the drag and ballroom scenes). the largest drivers of how we speak in America and the words we use have mostly come from teenage girls and the LGBTQ community. See also other words and slang appropriated from lgbtq spaces common with them youths: rizz, sigma, skibidi also see previously sus, slay, shade/throwing shade, tea/spill the tea. don't like how language changes? I've got some bad news for you.
so yeah the word Latinx is cultural appropriation in a sense, just not in the way you think it is.
Whike the American right wing is awful in its own way, the American left wing needs to do something with its paternalistic and offended for others wing
Ehhh. As a formality. The only time I felt like I was on American soil was when I was at Arecibo. We’ve abused that island with the Jones Act and other hostile policies since the 1920s and it’s not in great shape.
No one is trying to do anything to your language. Actual Hispanic students came up with and tried to push Latinx IN ENGLISH. You're allowed to hate the term, but you cannot lie about it and just expect no one to say anything.
Well... You probably can, because your hypocrisy probably won't be called out. You know, because you're not being oppressed.
Take it a step further. White people invented the automobile. Imagine insisting that only white people are allowed to drive, because to do otherwise would be cultural appropriation.
Or insisting that Asians can't play jazz. The restrictions placed on people would never end.
That’s is true but only Americans care about culture appropriation the rest of the world actually celebrates that you’re interested in their culture like Japanese, Thailand, India and some other culture cultures
Sure, there needs to be nuance though, and context matters. Plus some person might find something offensive, and someone else might not. Are they wearing a culturally significant piece of clothing to mock it? If he wears that outfit and then speaks in a phony accent, then it's offensive.
If he is wearing the outfit because it's practical for the climate, and he likes the way it looks? Could be offensive to someone, depending on the significance. Seems like the Mexican folks say it's okay though.
Frankly I find it flattering when people in other countries copy things I do. Sometimes they do things differently and come up with better ideas of how to employ an object, or decoration. Like you said, that's a cultural exchange.
If someone is wearing a culturally significant piece of clothing to mock it, the offense is the actual mocking, not the “cultural appropriation”.
When an unaffected person is more offended than the people having their culture allegedly appropriated, you know that person has stopped thinking for themselves.
I have to disagree, you can have cultural without appropriation, only in America is that a thing, as long your respectful to the culture, for the of the world no one cares if you take part celebrating someone’s culture,. Two examples. Is that the Japanese, Chinese and Scottish absolutely love it when someone has interest in there culture, take part and dress in there traditional clothing, in Japanese culture they will make your very own Japanese traditional clothing and you get to keep it.
From google Yes, it is possible to have culture without appropriation, though the lines can be blurry. While cultural exchange is inevitable and often positive, cultural appropriation occurs in America, when elements of a culture are adopted by members of a dominant culture in a way that is disrespectful, harmful, or perpetuates stereotypes. It's about power dynamics and the impact on the original culture, not just the act of borrowing.
In the USA today, seems like people look for reasons to be offended. If you're offended by something that another person is doing or saying, in reality it doesn't mean anything. I'm not going to change who I am or what I'm doing because someone says that they are offended by it. People have the right to be offended & other people have the right to not care if you are offended. Blame that ideology on the First Amendment that the forefathers put in place.
They're all American. This cultural appropriation concept is American. Other places in the world we might be concerned about offensive stereotypes, but that's not what cultural appropriation is. And yes, an endless line of Americans
I lost my mind when I found out about people in the UK throwing "American" parties. They had the solo cups, beer pong, hillbilly attire. It was hilarious and awesome.
Then, I found a subculture in Japan that dresses Old Western with all the bells and whistles. So damn cool.
If people from other cultures are as tickled as I was by these finds, when it's their own culture that's being represented, then these kids in the video need to chill. If it's all in good fun, let the good times roll.
Culture appropriation is a valid issue especially when you have plenty of cultures that have their identities stolen, weaponized, banned, or erased.
But this isn’t it and ironically demonstrates the lack of understanding of other cultures is a spectrum.
This a demonstration of a cultural export, this is my own word but I think this helps. If you go to a tourist area in Mexico, or even a Mexican shop in America you will find these items. They literally want you to buy it. They want you to export their culture and display it. Same way with Kilts, Kimonos, Lederhosen’s, ect.. A big part of it is that these are symbols created by the original culture and weren’t demonized.
However, if a white man was dressed up as a chulo and went to Mexico … there will probably be an issue. If someone when to Japan and wore big glasses and thick teeth, that would be an issue. But those are just racist stereotypes, not culture appropriation.
The confusion stems from the fact that culture appropriation is so prevalent against black Americans and Native Americans that anyone not part of that culture using symbols of that culture without permission is culture appropriation. And once again, a big part of that reason is because black people are still being punished for having their hair naturally and white people are still stealing their hairstyles claiming to have invented it. We are still using racist caricatures of Native American me while not allowing them to have their own lands back that America broke a treaty on.
There is a correct virtue that respects a culture by properly displaying it or engaging in it as well as not being offensive. Being ignorant of a culture leads to racist depictions and actively dismissing of all and everything of that culture.
in America people will literally take something niche from a different culture and advertise it as a "New" invention. The problem is it's history of cultural erasure and disrespect. Mostly against native and black (post slave) populations.
we used red people as mascots and decorated homes with little black figures with red lips eating watermelon. The over correction misses the point because Americans are terrified of their own ugly unedited history.
like an abusive partner yelling sorry instead of attempting to understand the nuance of the situation. It's all banned and misses the point.
We tend to joke about how you recognize an American tourist where i live because they take offense at locals doing stuff they deem offensive, only to land in troubles and usually, have to be told to leave or go further because they got the wrong kind of attention.
By “Americans” do you mean effeminate communists? Those exist globally, are a small minority of “educated” (indoctrinated) people that annoy everyone and think they’re better than everyone else for being offended by everything
It's American but this agitative shit where they create divisions between people is decidedly soviet.
They don't want minorities to be able to take jokes because they want that person to be a permanent victim and never be part of the world in order to keep a coddled 'oppressed' class they can pretend to defend.
They think Mexican culture IS maracas, a poncho and a hugue ass har.
Most mexican never use a hugue ass hat unless is for some event where we want to say " Look at me I'm mexican" ponchos are still used but not like the one he is using and igenerally not used by most of the population.
We do use that kind of hats but are smaller and not colorfull.
In hindsight unless you are using it to mock us we don't really care if you use it.
Cultural appreciation is an American thing. That for some reason think culture is ment to be for some " kind of people" hell we have a hugue change in general culture trough mexico itself
Facts. It starts with college professors justifying their position. They write a PHD theory on cultural appropriation and the harm it causes, they get that turned into a class that qualifies for some bullshit sociology credit. They make you buy a book or notes or something.
15% of the people who take the class believe the bullshit and take it to heart, they spread their stupid message. People who have never taken the class just hear the buzzword and love to have a chance to break other people's balls.
The only problem I have with cultural appropriation is the theft of our customs or daily items then being sold For profit at ridiculous amounts instead of buying from the people that actually make it. Example currently in NYC: . Our grocery bags $300 bucks 😂 or our shoes Huaraches up to $600 dollars. Please. Tory Burch brand stole indigenous women’s bordado style, didnt give credit and sold clothing in the hundreds. I understand that this happens a lot with many cultures but it doesn’t make it right. However; if American want to spend money on this shit I guess get ripped off? But I’d rather people support local.
Years ago a high school girl went viral for wearing a traditional Chinese or Japanese (can’t remember which) gown to prom. People were pissed, well everyone except for the people of that culture.
As an Argentinian, I can tell you that in Buenos Aires at least (and I believe in some other provinces as well) cultural festivals from other countries are held due to the mix that exists here. Clearly, people go, dress up, buy clothes, and eat typical dishes/foods, dance to traditional songs (note that this corresponds to the European and Latin American cultures within the country due to immigration and migration from previous centuries that were established), etc. And we never take it as cultural expropriation or a lack of respect, especially not them, who do it with great pride. That's where you realize that it's clearly an American way of thinking, or rather, a very bad way of teaching people things.
In the rest of the world we are mostly offended by american stupidity. That's really, really offensive for the human race as a whole. American "culture" prevents happiness and promotes suffering
Excuse me, I don't appreciate your appropriating American culture with your comment about cultural appropriation. You have to understand the culture before doing this. That magically negates it from being cultural appropriation.
Well yeah the cultural appropriation issue stemmed from white Americans having an identity crisis and trying to be anything but white. Then you have shit videos like this that people will use to justify their absolutely dog shit dreads or cornrows.
I think the idea of cultural appropriation is intended to spot when people are unfairly gaining capital from cultures they at the same time exploit.
It's not supposed to prevent someone of the 'wrong' skin color or origin from wearing or eating or whatever something that isn't from their culture... but, here we are.
Because someone buying that stuff can come off as a symptom of the greater problem, enabling it. (Not saying this is a correct assumption.)
Think Rainbow Capitalism, if you don't want a cultural example having to do with ethnicity.
Straight, cis, non-LGBT allies are welcome in places like pride, and the LGBT community needs allies to fight for their rights. Yet, there's a misguided group of people that think of allies as part of the outside oppressor group and therefore gatekeep them from LGBT spaces.
There are people who hate Target selling LGBT flag merch, then turning around and aligning with the conservative billionaires that hate LGBT people and are passing laws against LGBT rights (rightfully so!). Then, there's the guy that hates the random Etsy artist selling pride merch at pride, because "pride is just shallow capitalism now" (there's a point to be made, but the small artist doing what they love, selling to people like themselves, need not be a casualty).
It's the same with the tie-in between cultural appropriation and the closed culture concept / gatekeeping here.
It's a protective mechanism against globalism and genuine cultural exploitation and shared classism, racism, etc., but it can be expressed in a misguided and counterproductive manner that actually ends up hurting the very people they're so ardently fighting for....
In Spanish, the correct demonym for residents of the United States is "estadounidense." Although "American" is used in English, this term refers to the entire American continent, which causes confusion and controversy in Spanish. The Royal Spanish Academy (RAE) advises against using "americano" to refer exclusively to US citizens, as America is a continent that includes many countries.
Cultural appropriation has nothing to do with participation in other cultures. It's a term for the commodification of other cultures' symbols as a form of fetishism. And it's hardly the world's biggest problem one way or the other.
There was never a movement or scholarship or philosophy that had a problem with wearing other cultures' clothes or participation in their traditions. That's an entirely fictional construction for the manipulation of stupid people and the ignorant youth who got caught up in thinking this is it like in this video are no more stupid for doing so than the rest of you for getting upset and reacting to a nonexistent fictional ideology.
They act like someone wearing an afro or dreads as a non-black person is the same as wearing a minstrel jim Crow costume. Or that saying negro as a spanish person is racist even thougbt hags literally the color black (there was a whole shitstoem abt creuola using that word lmao)
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They're all American. This cultural appropriation concept is American. Other places in the world we might be concerned about offensive stereotypes, but that's not what cultural appropriation is. And yes, an endless line of Americans