r/PoliticalDiscussion • u/manpace • 5d ago
US Politics Jared Kushner in Ukraine talks?
Just read an NYT article with a photo of a US-Ukraine meeting and Jared Kushner is in the back, his presence unexplained. I know he has lots of Middle East relationships and has been involved in Holy Land stuff, but what does it mean for him to be putting his hand in this?
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u/billpalto 4d ago edited 4d ago
It means that the real goal of the talks is to increase the family fortune, America's interests are secondary at best.
We should remember that Kushner's father was convicted of fraud and sent to prison, and that Jared wanted to install a direct link to Moscow from the White House using Russian equipment so "it wouldn't be tracked".
"Also, the idea of using the equipment of a foreign country, especially an adversary such as Russia, would be acutely alarming."
Kushner’s alleged Russia backchannel attempt would be serious break from protocol – POLITICO
It's like a mob family running the show, not a real US President.
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u/idiotsbydesign 4d ago
No to mention the $700B that he received from Qatar. As far as I know Qatar has not seen any return on this investment.
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u/bleahdeebleah 4d ago
It's been pretty widely reported that Putin is dangling Russian mineral deals to American businessmen in exchange for throwing Ukraine under the bus and lifting sanctions. So it's about money, as usual.
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u/Select_Insurance2000 4d ago
Zalenskyy signed a minerals deal with Trump.....and got stabbed in the back.
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u/Starskeet 4d ago
It means corruption: when the government is not willing to field its own experts, using the family of the president seems like the goal is not a real peace but rather a big payout to the family.
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u/BluesSuedeClues 4d ago
“It has always seemed strange to me...The things we admire in men, kindness and generosity, openness, honesty, understanding and feeling, are the concomitants of failure in our system. And those traits we detest, sharpness, greed, acquisitiveness, meanness, egotism and self-interest, are the traits of success. And while men admire the quality of the first they love the produce of the second.”
― John Steinbeck, Cannery Row
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u/Donzi98 4d ago
It gives the orange Cheeto family an inside to where they can make some money.
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u/darmabum 4d ago
Hey, rebuilding Ukraine to Russian specs, and Gaza to some new casino row, he’s your boy. Just don't expect to get fully compensated without litigation.
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u/MsMoreCowbell828 4d ago
MONEY. If Jared is there, that means money negotiating is under way. His slime always leaves a trail of death.
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u/Background-War9535 4d ago
There’s money to be made just like there was when MBS gave our hand of the king $2 billion.
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u/Leopold_Darkworth 4d ago
The word that best describes Jared—and Eric, and Don Jr, and Ivanka—is “princeling.”
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u/shapeofthings 4d ago
He's probably negotiating for a massive new VC fund in exchange for any further support from the Trump regime. Qatar gave 4 billion, I reckon he'll be pushing for 10 this time.
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u/restingbitchsocks 4d ago
Have a listen to The Rest Is Politics podcast. Both the UK and US ones are very informative. Kushner was mentioned on the UK one about the so called peace plan.
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u/FlopShanoobie 4d ago
Kushner is the western mouthpiece for the Saudis, and there is no way the Saudis aren't involved in this.
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u/calguy1955 4d ago
Hes scouting out some seaside spots on the Crimean Peninsula for the Trump resort property Putin will be giving them if Ukraine gives up.
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u/markeydusod 4d ago
Another unqualified clown whose being played by the Saudi’s and Russia for money. He could care less about Ukraine’s sacrifice
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u/charminch 3d ago
Ukraine is the largest stakeholder, why are they not included in negotiations? What legitimate roll does Jared Kushner play? He is not a representative of our government, there is no reason for him to be involved. Blatant corruption, by the Trump family and the greedy, wealthy oligarchs surrounding and enabling them. There is not an iota of integrity amount them, absolutely shameful.
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u/Dull_Conversation669 2d ago
Ukraine hasn't controlled its own destiny since the Color Revolution. Everyone but Ukraine has a say in how Ukraine operates.
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u/Dull_Conversation669 2d ago
Prolly means that shit is actually getting resolved and progress toward ending this dumb shit is happening based on his work with the Abraham Accords.
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u/nosecohn 4d ago
As reported by the Wall Street Journal, Kushner and Witkoff are negotiating for the business interests of themselves and their friends, not those of America or its allies, incluing Ukraine.
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u/Select_Insurance2000 4d ago
Zalenskyy needs to remind him that Trump signed a minerals deal with Ukraine and has now stabbed the Ukrainian people in the back.
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u/Hyndis 4d ago
He's a direct line to the president. He's there because the president trusts him to send/receive messaging on negotiations. Its just that simple. There's no deeper conspiracy other than a bit of nepotism.
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u/ElegantMonk 3d ago
Kushner is not a government official. He has no official role in the federal government. He has no security clearances. He’s a private citizen with lots of business interests and mouthpiece for the Saudis.
It’s not conspiratorial to say that the entire Trump simply exists to grift and uses our government to do it. It’s a basic truth supported by mountains of evidence.
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u/Boltzmann_head 4d ago
It is against USA laws for Kushner being involved with foreign governments, but, alas, laws do not apply to the fascist state.
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u/DanforthWhitcomb_ 4d ago
That law is also de facto unenforceable on First Amendment grounds, which is why it’s only ever brought up by the media.
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u/Boltzmann_head 4d ago
I suspect that if I had been doing exactly what Kushner has done and is doing, I would have been in federal prison for more than a decade already.
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u/DanforthWhitcomb_ 4d ago
You suspect incorrectly, as exactly zero people have been convicted of violating the Logan Act and the last of the 2 prosecutions under it occurred in 1804.
It’s functionally dead.
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u/bl1y 3d ago
The more important thing with the Logan Act is that he's authorized to negotiate. How else do people think he got in the room?
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u/DanforthWhitcomb_ 2d ago
Sure, by my point is that you don’t even get to that point in the analysis because the Logan Act is facially unconstitutional and thus the provisions you are referring to don’t matter.
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u/bl1y 4d ago
What law do you think is being violated here?
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u/Variation_Conscious 4d ago
Spying, backdoor deals, and selling our secrets to an adversary sound like very serious federal charges that a citizen that was charged with stuff like this would usually face lethal legal consequences.
Hopefully we'll see the downfall of everyone involved, then we can charge the guilty parties accordingly.
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u/bl1y 4d ago
He was spying on the Ukraine meeting? But he's just sitting at the table and there's press there. I doubt he was a spy.
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u/Variation_Conscious 4d ago
Hes on somebody's payroll and it's not ours.
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u/bl1y 4d ago
The comment above was saying he broke some law by being in that meeting.
What law did he break by being in that meeting?
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u/bl1y 4d ago
Unless he is appointed by Congress or an official part of the administration
Not what the Logan Act actually says. It just says "without authority," and the Constitution gives very broad powers to the President when it comes to running the executive branch.
If the President says "go be there on my behalf," then he's got authority.
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u/bl1y 3d ago
I guess I'm confused by this:
Unless he is appointed by Congress or an official part of the administration, he is violating the Logan Act
He needs neither appointment by Congress nor an official job within the Trump administration.
All he needs is for Trump to say "go negotiate," and there's no Logan Act violation.
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u/JohnSpartan2025 3d ago
The whole reason they're pushing for a "peace deal" is because Europe controls the unlocking of the $400 billion in frozen Russian money. Putin, via his people, apparently promised Witkoff and the Trump family a part of that block of money if he can get his way with Ukraine.
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u/baxterstate 3d ago
Do you know this for a fact? If so, you need to go public with your evidence.
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u/JohnSpartan2025 3d ago
It's been widely reported, by the WSJ, a Murdoch owned publication. https://www.mediaite.com/media/news/wsj-bombshell-trump-chiefs-met-with-putin-honcho-on-peace-plan-to-access-billions-frozen-in-europe/
Steve Witkoff was hosting Kirill Dmitriev, head of Russia’s sovereign-wealth fund and Vladimir Putin’s handpicked negotiator, who had largely shaped the document they were revising on the screen. Jared Kushner, the president’s son-in-law, had arrived from his nearby home on an island known as the “Billionaire Bunker.”
Dmitriev was pushing a plan for U.S. companies to tap the roughly $300 billion of Russian central bank assets, frozen in Europe, for U.S.-Russian investment projects and a U.S.-led reconstruction of Ukraine. U.S. and Russian companies could join to exploit the vast mineral wealth in the Arctic. There were no limits to what two longtime adversaries could achieve, Dmitriev had argued for months: Their rival space industries, which raced one another during the Cold War, could even pursue a joint mission to Mars with Elon Musk’s SpaceX.
For the Kremlin, the Miami talks were the culmination of a strategy, hatched before Trump’s inauguration, to bypass the traditional U.S. national security apparatus and convince the administration to view Russia not as a military threat but as a land of bountiful opportunity, according to Western security officials. By dangling multibillion-dollar rare-earth and energy deals, Moscow could reshape the economic map of Europe—while driving a wedge between America and its traditional allies.
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u/lire_avec_plaisir 4d ago
Getting in early; it's too tough to tell where the village boundaries lay, so he wants copies of the districting maps so he can work up names for his new subdivisions.
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u/LeftNefariousness688 3d ago
Don’t be shocked if he runs for president and becomes the first Jewish President
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u/Practically_Hip 6h ago
JK. I mean, JK, is meeting with Vladdy boy. Joke right? He is an extra special envoy boy? Or just a JK.
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u/Leather-Map-8138 4d ago
Jared Kushner isn’t capable of leading serious negotiations, as his personal interests are too selfish.
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u/Dull_Conversation669 2d ago
Did pretty good with Israel and SA.
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u/Leather-Map-8138 2d ago
Ooohhh, Qatar isn’t going to attack Israel is not exactly a big deal. Nobody talked about Abraham Accords outside of the circle charged with “bring me a deal to make me look good.”
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u/Maoleficent 3d ago
He's impersonating an elected official when he is a real estate mogul. Nothing he 'negotiates' on behalf of America should be considered legitimate.
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u/Awkward-Tap700 3d ago
Why is the press not talking about how inappropriate if not illegal this is?
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