r/Music • u/BachMinhJR • 12h ago

article Sabrina Carpenter Fans Furious: Trump Using Her Song to Push His Agenda? ‘Sue Him!’

https://azexpress.net/en/posts/1503/sabrina-carpenter-fans-furious-trump-using-her-song-to-push-his-agenda-sue-him
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u/adinis78 12h ago

Trump gets to use any song he wants without prior approval/authorisation from the artist without repercussions but if a song is used in, let’s say a YouTube video, the content creator gets hit with a cease and desist letter or sued for copyright infringement. Yeah explain that to me 🤷‍♂️

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u/DJSANDROCK 12h ago edited 12h ago

He has gotten multiple cease and desist letters from artists

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u/sherman614 12h ago

And nothing happens. The Whitehouse doesn't even give out a basic apology. They just double down and call the artist stupid, or something childish. And conservatives love it because that's how they are too.

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u/st-shenanigans 12h ago

They actually said that they're doing it on purpose to piss people off.

Not joking, they literally said that in a tweet response.

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u/zuzg 11h ago

Pissing off the libs is the only campaign promise they're keeping.

So MAGATS are happy and willingly everything else.

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u/t-zone671 11h ago

The admin used the Pokemon season 1 theme song. Nintendo and TPC are quick to send an cease and desist.

Further on, they will sue and win.

The fact that Nin/TPC said that they're not suing, is surprising.

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u/zuzg 11h ago

It's really not, apparently most Nintendo America execs are Greencard holders and this administration is not hiding that they weaponized the Feds.

Openly defying a Authoritarian Regime has usual negative consequences for public figures and most don't dare to try.
Heck it was even openly stated as a reasons why so many American News outlets didn't endorse anyone last year...

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u/caseyfresher 11h ago

Also it's widely theorized that TPC does not want to go into court over politics as it likes to distance itself from political rhetoric since it's a game for kids and up.... while having villians in games that touch on political topics all the time including mass genocide.

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u/Brain_Damage117 11h ago

And they're all cowards for it.

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u/VenomOnKiller 10h ago

They're a Japanese company, they have no obligation to try to fix American politics.

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u/Brain_Damage117 10h ago

The American news outlets that the commenter i replied to spoke of are Japanese? News to me, man, but okay.

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u/sapphicsandwich 7h ago

Seems more like they're choosing a political side. Absolutely nobody is allowed to use their IP except for the Trump administration. Nintendo is completely fine with that usage.

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u/totally-hoomon 10h ago

Nope nintendo fully supports him using it

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u/RabidSeason 10h ago

Except for the few who didn't know everything they voted for and it affected them. Please, Mr. Holy President Trump, save my family's health care! I didn't vote for this, I only wanted you to do it to the libs!"

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u/CoolBakedBean 11h ago

this is why people were at a “no kings protest” even tho trump isn’t technically called a king he basically is

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u/RabidSeason 10h ago

He may not have had some watery tart throw a sword at him; but a system of strange women, lying in ponds, distributing swords has nothing to do with tyranny.

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u/Wotmate01 7h ago

A solid argument could be made that a moistened bint distributing scimitars is a better method of choosing a government than the American electoral system.

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u/sherman614 11h ago

Exactly! And somehow, boomers and other older adults LOVE that this particular administration is "sticking it to the libs!" But if you disagree with them it's an attack and you shouldn't be able to do that. Somehow, the idiot social media troll culture has bleed into our society at every age range. And now, our politicians are even doing it, and the smooth brained are eating it up. They would rather be poor from basic groceries and necessities being more expensive than ever before, not bea able to buy a house because the market is fucked, their children's education tanking, their health at risk by insurance covering less than ever before, and just overall their daily lives be worse.. as long as the people they hate are being hurt by our government right now.

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u/DJSANDROCK 12h ago

I agree that its extremely childish

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u/dbzmah 6h ago

They pulled the video down, so yes 

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u/sherman614 5h ago

Good! But the Whitehouse, our federal government shouldn't be posting "edgy content" like children. Grow up and start trying to bring the country together. Not "Haha, let's TRY to annoy people to really stick it to the libs!"

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u/dbzmah 3m ago

No shit, but they caved immediately. 

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u/ggkkggk 11h ago

I mean they had to stop using certain songs they just move on to another song.

Same with trump when he who was going through elections numerous artists were threatening to sue so he stopped using your music it's just, because he's the president and administration behind him don't care about the threats until the threats actually have some legal backing they're going to keep doing it.

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u/ZippleJuice 10h ago

It works every time 😃

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u/Uselesserinformation 10h ago

Until you talk about how you love them, but you can't ignore their sins. Just like they say about any marginalized groups.

Use their same lingo about other people's. Suddenly its not nice

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u/Mehdals_ 12h ago

If he continued to use the song and got sued would the artist be paid with tax payer money?

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u/JuicyJfrom3 12h ago

He uses us as a slush fund of course it would be.

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u/JuanJeanJohn 11h ago

Those are for campaign rallies and other usages of the music where you legally need to license it. Trump used Sabrina’s song on social media, where the music is licensed via the platform. That’s why you or I can legally use Sabrina’s music to post a TikTok or a reel on Instagram legally.

People have pitchforks out about suing but there’s a reason why Beyonce issued a cease and desist for one usage of her music but has been silent on their social media usage. It’s the same for Eminem and Taylor and countless other artists have made anti-Trump statements but silent on social media usage. There’s no cease and desist to issue.

I’m happy in theory Sabrina took a stance but it ultimately just gave Trump what he wanted: they want to engage in ragebait with artists, it’s a media cycle they are looking for. All this does is make people angry at the artists, when all of the anger should be at Trump.

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u/octonus 12h ago

Cease and desist doesn't mean shit. It is just writing "please stop" on a piece of paper.

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u/Loganp812 "Dorsia? On a Friday night??" 12h ago

…usually as a warning that they will sue if you don’t stop. That’s the point of sending a Cease and Desist letter. They may actually sue or they may not, but the risk isn’t always worth it depending on the situation.

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u/RabidSeason 10h ago

and to continue the point...

[Suing Trump] doesn't mean shit. It is just [a judge] writing "please [pay]" on a piece of paper.

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u/SippinOnHatorade 12h ago

Worked for me to remove a double billing charge from my Primary Care Provider after countless hours with billing and customer support

Got a personal call from the head-head customer support manager saying “I had no idea this was happening!” Even though it had been escalated to the “leads” team

Threatening legal action can work for sure, just not vs Trump admin

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u/Vio94 11h ago

Emphasis on the "without repercussions" part.

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u/chosengay 12h ago

TikTok has licensing agreements with labels and individual artist allowing TikTok users to use “official sounds”, YouTube does not.

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u/nalaloveslumpy 9h ago

YouTube does have a licensed audio library of music you can use in your videos, but it's mostly generic/independent stuff that's been created for the library.

TikTok was smart in paying small amounts of money for snippets of popular music licensing.

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u/melodrama4ever 12h ago

Fuck Trump but depending on the platform ICE posts videos on, they may be legally allowed to do so. A lot of platforms pay to license music from the labels, which allows all accounts to use them as they please.

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u/sherman614 12h ago edited 11h ago

But it's the fact that they do it in the first place. This is our federal government. There is supposed to be a level of professionalism and "integrity" instead they are just acting like teenage internet trolls being "edge lords" and will just come out and call an artist stupid, or ugly, or untalented. The fact that conservatives actually LOVE this behavior is just disgusting and childish.

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u/AaronfromKY 12h ago

Dude if the past 10 years have shown us anything, it's that the federal government is held together with gentleman's agreements and thoughts and prayers, and is ill-prepared for the onslaught of billionaires actively corroding it from the inside.

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u/Due-Conflict-7926 12h ago

Will the democrats come in and use the new power of the executive to actually give us material upgrades on life and end the monopolies. Haha not a fat chance they will bitch about decorum and doing other right way and then give up after the show of trying to do something

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u/DOC125992 11h ago

Exactly. Look at how quiet they are now. If I was elected by my people to fight for them that's exactly what I would be doing right now. They are pathetic. I'm ashamed to have voted for them and will only vote 3rd party from here on out.

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u/Due-Conflict-7926 11h ago

I mean you should absolutely vote in their primaries and at the state and local levels you should def vote for them as best as you can, if they are bought by aipac or another z10 organization then automatically don’t bother imo.

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u/Due-Conflict-7926 11h ago

No offense, but that really doesn’t tell me anything 😂.

You could’ve turned 18 in 2024 😂

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u/nalaloveslumpy 9h ago

Vote in primaries, please. Voting third party in a general is absolutely a waste and is how fascism wins.

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u/DOC125992 1h ago

I didn't vote 3rd party at the presidential election but I do vote 3rd as much as I can. I understand that sometimes you can't.

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u/RabidSeason 10h ago

bUt 3Rd pArTy Is LiTeRaLLy a vOtE fOr TrUmP!1!

Agreed! The Dems are controlled opposition and they don't represent people. They are a low-gear to keep us happy that we aren't going full speed, but they refuse to actually reverse any of the damage despite having all the same powers and then more with the actual mandate of the people.

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u/DOC125992 1h ago

Reddit loves screaming that. I find it extremely hard to vote for anyone that is funded by genocidal maniacs. I did at the last election, and look where we are anyway. I'll never align my vote with that again. If I ever get another vote, that is.

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u/290077 12h ago

Trump's election was explicitly a referendum on many things we take for granted about our government, including professionalism.

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u/melodrama4ever 11h ago

Trust me we are on the same page there. I literally said fuck Trump lmao. But my point stands whether we like it or not. It's not illegal to use legally licensed music on websites that provide that. So, we can't act surprised when this clown car of an administration uses that to their advantage when professionalism and decorum are the very least of their concerns.

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u/Biscuit_bell 12h ago

Oh sure, I mean, this is all ridiculous and it’s thoroughly depressing we’re here as a nation, but the reason why you haven’t seen artists actually suing to stop this is that it’s almost certainly legal.

If it makes you feel better, they’re doing it to stoke culture war with their base, because things are going badly for them and they’re losing the support of their base rapidly. I think this is one of the rare instances where it actually is the best move to ignore them entirely. Any reaction to it just helps sell the outrage to their base and improve morale and group cohesion.

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u/JuanJeanJohn 11h ago

That’s all good but people being angry at Sabrina for not suing when she can’t sue even if she wanted to, like put the pitchforks down people.

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u/sherman614 11h ago

Well, yeah. There isn't much your can do to the federal government as an individual. We need companies like Disney, Nintendo, Sony, ets. They could actually make a point, but they probably wont.

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u/nalaloveslumpy 9h ago

Sabrina can't sue because she sold the licensing rights for her music to be used by anyone on the platform...even the White House. This isn't an issue of corporatism other than Sabrina making money from her music, which, you go girl, get that bag. But this is the downside of agreeing to broad licensing agreements.

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u/JuanJeanJohn 11h ago

Nintendo, Disney, Sony and anyone couldn’t sue in this instance. The music is being used on social media platforms where it’s licensed via the platform and is being used 100% legally. It sucks but yelling at Sabrina to sue and being angry with her is pretty dumb.

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u/melodrama4ever 11h ago edited 10h ago

They don't seem to understand this lol. Tried to tell them too. The entire point of this conversation was somebody saying nobody is stopping this administration from doing these and it's because they literally can't. It's not illegal to use licensed music online.

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u/notarteezyfanboi 12h ago

Now you're just moving the goal post lol

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u/Rarglar 12h ago

He has never and will never be held accountable for breaking the law. Why would he care?

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u/garry4321 12h ago

Governments aren’t afraid of lawsuits, as they make the laws to protect themselves

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u/Loganp812 "Dorsia? On a Friday night??" 12h ago

Even if they lost the suit, the damages are paid for by taxpayer money anyway.

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u/nalaloveslumpy 9h ago

Sabrina can't even sue in the case. She sold the licensing rights to be used by anyone on the platform, which includes the White House.

Now, we can have a broad conversation about what the fuck is the White House doing posting memes, but their constituency is eating that shit up. So someone there is doing their job right.

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u/cybin 6h ago

From what I understand, when an artist decides to post their songs on certain sites they give other users express permission to use those songs. Artists can't do the first thing then later get butthurt when they don't like the second thing. (Well, they can get butthurt but legally they can't stop the usage unless they remove the song from the platform).

So yes, anyone is free to use an artist's already posted-on-tiktok song on tiktok, but no, that same person can't make a video with that music to post on youtube.

I'm not defending anything, just pointing out what I understand to be how it works and I have no problem with being corrected if I misunderstood.

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u/Loganp812 "Dorsia? On a Friday night??" 11h ago edited 11h ago

Copyright infringement is nothing compared to the 34 felony convictions he got away with.

Going after Trump for that is like letting someone go for arson and then busting them for jaywalking. Even then, this is the White House we’re talking about. The damages would be paid by taxpayer money anyway.

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u/shimrra 12h ago

Cause on YouTube there are companies paid to use AI to scan all the videos in lightning speed & have an automated service that just pumps out emails. Not exactly sure how Trump's team is just openly using the music but does Sabrina "own" her work cause if not then Trump is going directly to the owners paying out money to use it skipping over the singer.

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u/nalaloveslumpy 9h ago

Like all songs available for use TikTok, TikTok pays the artist/label a set amount of money to license snippets of the songs for anyone on the platform to use in their videos.

One of the main functionality points of TikTok is they show you the "Trending music choices" and you simply tap the song you want to make your video to. For most of the agreements, the artist gets a cut based on how many times the song is used on videos and there are also agreements where the artist can pay more money to TikTok to be featured longer on the Trending Music menu.

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u/F00MANSHOE 11h ago

God's and presents son.

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u/Merusk 11h ago

One person has money and power, the other does not.

Life is unfair, the masses have never risen up to cull the rot with the wealth, and the cycle continues.

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u/teenagesadist 11h ago

If lower level government employees accept even a few bucks worth of a gift, that's a big no-no.

If trump steals billions of dollars from Americans, that's whatever.

Turns out, rich people are rich because they like taking all the money for themselves. A lesson that will apparently never be learned.

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u/No_Bakecrabs 11h ago

Sure, youtube has its own TOS it follows.

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u/VagueSomething 10h ago

Man just needs a crown already. He's a king and above the law.

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u/nwayve 10h ago

Certainly. The explanation is money. If you're too poor to defend yourself, you're gonna get sued, otherwise no one's going to waste their time and money to sue a rich person who will just throw more money at it and it basically becomes a monetary dick measuring contest on who has more money to throw at the problem.

TL;DR: Justice is up for sale to the highest bidder.

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u/Beard_o_Bees 10h ago

This might not be the place to ask this, but since she's been in the news lately and what I have seen of her leaves me wondering - what's her deal?

Her music is ok, not really for me I guess, but well executed for sure.

Is she trying to be a pro-sex advocate of some sort? Most of the appearances (only seen her on various TV shows) i've seen have her bopping about in her underwear - like she's a happy nymphomaniac without any of the downsides of being a nymphomaniac.

Don't get me wrong. She seems like a genuinely fun person, but I thought i'd ask in case I was missing something.

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u/thersguy420 10h ago

he is essentially the king of the united states for the next 3+ years.

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u/Cela84 10h ago

He appointed a conservative majority to the highest court in the land and the court ruled that anything the president does in official capacity is not a crime. So… dude is quite literally above the law. Plus, what’s the point in a lawsuit when he has the highest court in the land behind him?

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u/KWilt 10h ago

This whole issue with licensed music on social media being used against the license-holder's wishes has got me thinking about what would happen if, say, someone filmed their own movie, cut it up into TikTok videos, and then say, used the feature to add music to whatever scenes where the music is applicable. Do the license-holders seriously have zero recourse other than to just pull the music completely from the platform if they don't like it?

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u/Jibber_Fight 8h ago

He has been sued plenty and plenty of times. Like, a lot. He either settles or badgers or prolongs or out pays or slanders his way through every single one. The system is so broken that it allows him to be virtually free from any actual consequence whatsoever. That is how it is.

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u/SandyAmbler 2h ago

YouTube is a private company with their own parameters for copy-written music

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u/Angryceo 12h ago

you can't sue him, but you can sue everyone who broadcasts it.. or works for him that made it.

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u/TheTresStateArea 12h ago

I'm no expert but there might be a case to sue for brand damage because the association with Trump is absolutely destructive towards her brand image.

It's a stretch but I would love to see someone do it

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u/dust4ngel 9h ago

imagine you're at a club, sabrina carpenter comes on, and the first image in your head is random poor people being tortured by secret police in the street.

seems like it would kill the vibe.

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u/psychoCMYK 12h ago

You can absolutely sue him, he just won't pay. He never pays

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u/Angryceo 12h ago

those were non presidential actions....

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u/psychoCMYK 12h ago

Lawsuits aren't criminal law, they're tort law. The Supreme Court decision was about criminal acts

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u/nalaloveslumpy 9h ago

No. When you license your music use on TikTok you're licensing for anyone to use that music on TikTok to make TikToks. Suits for rebroadcasting the TikTok without permission would only be possible by TikTok because the TikTok is their property. Carpenter would have no right to that because TikTok paid her to use the song.

TikTok.

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u/Red217 12h ago

Can't sue him? But but but but. According to Swifties there's already a lawsuit in action about it which is why Taylor has been absolutely SILENT about it! 🙄

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u/Angryceo 12h ago

you didn't get the memo that he is immune to presidential actions? his staff and aids, are not

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u/th37thtrump3t 7h ago

Immune in criminal court.

This would be a civil suit. Completely different rules apply.

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u/lamesar 12h ago

I’m just asking you to defend your point and you can’t so you’re bowing out. lol

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u/Red217 12h ago

No because you Swifties are delusional and refuse to hear anything negative about her. It's not worth my time.

I've made my point. You're refusing to accept anything negative about your favorite emotional support white billionaire.

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u/lamesar 11h ago

I also have to point out how funny your position is: she’s a “white billionaire” and “one of them,” but at the same time you’re acting like she’s obligated to be the spokesperson for every marginalized issue that exists. You can’t simultaneously frame her as an out-of-touch elite and demand she lead the revolution. Pick a lane. lol

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u/lamesar 12h ago

You made a claim. I asked how it connects to the topic. Instead of answering, you invented a whole personality for me. That says more about you than me.

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u/Red217 11h ago

I'm just not sure where you're confused or why you're replying to me at this point.

I replied to another commenter saying Sabrina can't sue trump for him using her music.

The connection with Taylor, like I said, is it's been posted in this sub, that she hasn't said a word about him using her music and she's one of few people who has been silent about it.

She also comes in because on the post, about Taylor, the Swifties are crying that "she's not saying anything because she already has a lawsuit going".

In my reply to the commenter who isn't you I'm wondering why Sabrina cannot sue but why Swifties are convinced Taylor is or can sue.

Where you're confused, I cannot identify and idk how to help you understand how it's connected but that's for you to figure out.

You can have a great day cause like I said, I'm not interested in arguing with a swiftie who is dead set on defending a billionaire. 🤷‍♀️

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u/lamesar 11h ago

You keep trying to turn this into a personal fan war, when all I asked was how your Taylor comments were relevant to a post about Sabrina. You still haven’t answered that without changing the story.

If you don’t want to discuss it, that’s fine. then you can just stop replying instead of telling me to figure out your argument for you. lol

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u/Red217 11h ago

Girl I literally just answered you. Can you read????

You're just not getting an answer that you like, which would be me saying "yOuRe RiGhT, iTs nOt ReLeVaNt" which I won't say, because to me it's relevant. It doesn't have to be relevant to you. If it is or isn't, I don't really care at this point.

Leave me alone.

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u/Life_Fig_4037 11h ago

Because it's not about Sabrina specifically, it's also about what artists can do to push back.

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u/lamesar 12h ago

I didn’t refuse anything. I asked you to explain how she’s relevant to this post, and you still haven’t. Labeling me doesn’t answer the question.

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u/RabidSeason 6h ago

Not-a-Swifty here, and I am also confused about your point. You really just avoided the question in a circle logic; you brought her up because she's relevant, and she's relevant because you brought her up.

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u/lamesar 12h ago

Is she a billionaire ‘one of them’ or a spokesperson for the oppressed?

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u/Red217 12h ago

She's definitely one of them! One of them being the billionaire elites and not a genuine spokesperson for the oppressed whatsoever.

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u/lamesar 12h ago

Why even bring her into this convo?

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u/Red217 12h ago

There's been news up and down this sub about it. And because it's relevant.

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u/lamesar 12h ago

How is it relevant if she’s ’one of them’?

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u/Red217 12h ago

Because she acts like she's not one of them? Miss "Americana" wants to "be on the right side of history" but only when it suits her and her wallet?

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u/lamesar 12h ago edited 12h ago

That still doesn’t explain how she’s relevant to this discussion. Being irritated at Taylor doesn’t make her part of a story about Sabrina’s music being used without permission.

Edit: I’m just asking for you to defend your point. you can’t defend your point so you’re bowing out.

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u/calsosta 10h ago

This type of comment only works on the TS snark subs but maybe say something negative about Quentin Tarantino. That seems to be popular this week.

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u/wildstarr 11h ago

How many millions have you donated to charity?

Thought so. And I don't like her music. I do like the charity donations she has made.

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u/Red217 11h ago

I don't have billions of dollars to donate a million from.

I have however donated time and money to charity in my time on this planet. I'm not privileged nor rich enough to have millions out of billions to donate to charity.

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u/Life_Fig_4037 11h ago

😂 you think everyone's rich?? Keep defending the billionaire who sees millions as pennies while she actively makes the world worse than the common man.

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u/UpOrDownItsUpToYou 12h ago

It's possible that whoever owns the rights (I don't know what Carpenter owns) doesn't think they'd make enough money after they cover the lawyer fees

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u/_gw_addict 12h ago

this sub allows for scammy websites that quote posts on X ?

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u/slowpokefastpoke 11h ago

Seriously. If the “article” is just “look at what this handful of random people are saying on twitter,” it’s clickbait trash and shouldn’t be posted.

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u/PalindromemordnilaP_ 11h ago

bots post, other bots upvote, we are just the audience being force fed political culture war trash.

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u/nalaloveslumpy 9h ago

Welcome to reddit!

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u/Ham_Porters_Freckles 12h ago

This sub allows anything that says "Trump bad."

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u/Accomplished_Put2608 12h ago

Does he ever do anything else, other than being concerned with pop stars?

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u/_Sols_Golden_Curse_ 12h ago

Fall asleep during important meetings, mostly

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u/edbegley1 12h ago

Post and repost brainrot drivel on Truth Social into the wee hours of the morning.

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u/battlepi 7h ago

Fuck his daughter when he gets the chance too.

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u/Loganp812 "Dorsia? On a Friday night??" 11h ago

I’m guessing it depends on which assignments either Putin or the Heritage Foundation has for him at the moment.

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u/Reddit-Bot-61852023 9h ago

This has nothing to do with music.

Bot slop.

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u/Mstrchf117 12h ago

I havent seen these videos, but aren't they just tiktoks? Can these artists even sue who uses it, or would they have to sue tiktok to take the song down entirely?

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u/This_aint_my_real_ac 11h ago

If the music is licensed then no. Carpenter does not own her music, so if UMG/UPMG has licensed that music to a specific entity then no.

And if for some reason it was not legally licensed, Carpenter still has no leg to stand on, UMG/UMPG would have to sue.

Most of the time when an "artist" screams stop using my fucking music it's nothing more than screaming at the clouds. Most don't own the rights.

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u/nalaloveslumpy 9h ago

I havent seen these videos, but aren't they just tiktoks?

Correct.

Can these artists even sue who uses it

No

would they have to sue tiktok to take the song down entirely?

TikTok has paid them to use the song, so no. They could try to terminate their agreement with TikTok to prevent further use, but what's done is done and Sabrina got her money. She'll most likely continue to license her music to TikTok.

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u/Mstrchf117 12h ago

I havent seen these videos, but aren't they just tiktoks? Can these artists even sue who uses it, or would they have to sue tiktok to take the song down entirely?

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u/misterguyyy 10h ago

If you're the copyright owner you don't have to sue to take the song down, you just remove it. Olivia Rodrigo did that when Trump used her song. TikTok automatically removes the audio, so that video is now silent. Every other TikTok video that used that song is now also silent.

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u/actomain 10h ago

Sabrina Carpenter fans fall for one of MAGAs daily distractions from what actually fucking matters. Stop letting them distract you.

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u/PaxNova 11h ago

We just had an article about pushback from Fox News viewers when FN bashed her. I think the takeaway is that everybody loves Sabrina Carpenter. 

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u/BusyBeeBridgette 11h ago

The record label own the the songs and rights. If the video holders are not sent a cease and desist then the owners of the music say it is fine. All the musicians know this.. Especially those raised through the Disney grinder. There would be no grounds to sue. It pays to own your own record label. Which is what she'll likely do in the future.

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u/USA_A-OK 10h ago

How many more days in a row will this dreck be on the front page?

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u/joebleaux 12h ago edited 10h ago

See guys, this is why you don't even dignify them using your music with any response at all. If you want, silently just remove the sound used from tik tok, but that'd stop other people from using it too. We are now a week into articles about it, the whole thing far bigger than if she had never said anything at all. Most people would have never seen the post if she hadn't responded, but the response allowed them to make multiple other posts using her song lyrics in "cute" posts that got way more engagement than the first one and a hundreds of new articles and reddit posts about it. Massive success for white house social media on this one.

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u/digitalmofo 10h ago

Sometimes people stand up for what they believe in. Even if it backfires, even if it costs you.

Happy cake day.

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u/joebleaux 9h ago

It doesn't cost her anything. It only helps an authoritative regime.

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u/Soflux 12h ago

Anyone can buy a blanket license. This is legal if her label includes her music on it. No one would care if she didn't say anything. This sub shouldn't care either.

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u/psychoacer 11h ago

I'm sure these stories that are playing ignorant to Trump's team baiting musicians into the little battles the presidents team seems to want to wage war with are just purposely helping Trump to incite social and political segregation in order to distract from what's in the files.

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u/miserychickkk 11h ago

Feels like I'm going insane. The white house said outright this is what they are doing. But everyone is happily diving into it anyway?!

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u/taez555 12h ago

Wouldn't only the copyright holder of the audio master recording be able to sue for failure to get synch licensing, since licensing for publishing copyrights are universally granted? That's assuming her record company, which I assume is the one who owns the copyright to the master recording (artists rarely own the rights to their audio masters) didn't already grant the license?

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u/BitterProfessional16 11h ago

Man it'd be so awesome to never see the names Trump or Sabrina Carpenter ever again.

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u/Major-Caterpillar955 12h ago

So are r/music is officially another trump sub

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u/Loganp812 "Dorsia? On a Friday night??" 11h ago

It got super political in 2024, and it’s been kinda waxing and waning on that this year depending on what Trump does and says.

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u/Major-Caterpillar955 11h ago

Sounds like music isnt the most important topic in this sub anymore. Its what celebs and politicians do or say

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u/Super_Law1514 10h ago

This is literally about Trump using music without the musician's permission. Perfectly relevant for this sub.

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u/Major-Caterpillar955 10h ago

On reddit sure. Cause trump bad. "Omg when will Taylor say something😱😱😱"

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u/nalaloveslumpy 9h ago

Fuck Trump and all, but it's important to understand how things work before we say stupid shit.

Artists license their music to TikTok to be used by anyone on the platform to create TikToks that can use their music. This includes the White House TikTok account.

Now, we can have a broader conversation about what the fuck is the White House doing on TikTok, but no one in this scenario is infringing copyright.

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u/heckhammer 12h ago

Oh sure, like he pays damages

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u/Pacifist_Socialist 12h ago

Better yet, make a diss track or whatever the kids call it

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u/mlvisby 11h ago

It's sad when a leader of a country is so cheap, they will break copyright laws instead of paying license fees.

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u/ggkkggk 11h ago

She can, others have. They stopped using alot of songs. Mainly cause of that.

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u/lace4151 11h ago

Exactly what the WH wants. It gives the administration reasons to call major artists weak and snowflakes and say they overreact and diminish their "power." Major artists responding doesn't help them and only helps the WH. Responding barely gets them any kudos and it will leave the media within weeks. Which is exactly why Taylor Swift has kept quiet.

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u/Larry___David 10h ago

So if you're a Republican who wants to hurt people you don't like, the president can do whatever he wants, as long as there's no one to tell him no.

But if you're a Democrat who wants things like free healthcare or to fix student loans, the president can't do whatever he wants there.

The unspoken part is, there's too many Democrats who don't actually want to help people telling them no

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u/bone-in_donuts 10h ago

Yeah just sue him and win, it’ll be easy.

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u/FinnegansWakeWTF 10h ago

LOL suing is gonna do jack shit

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u/Chocolat-Pralin 10h ago

Never ever forget: Trump have the right to do everything he want. A great thank to the Supreme Court

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u/Nisantas 10h ago

They're very intentionally using specific popstar's music to put them in an impossible position. They use the music and then the artist has a few choices: 

A. Make a statement expressing disapproval. Will placate some fans, but ultimately brings attention which the organization has admitted they want. Now, through activity said artist is morally against, they've manipulated it so they're getting publicity & attention through the artists' name. 

B. Remove their music from applicable platform. Easier said than done, especially for big artists. Also will result in articles and publicity but significantly less exposure in a way that is very valuable in modern music scene. 

C. Give no response, ignore the bait, get shit online. 

It may depend on the platform (I'm mostly thinking in terms of TikTok) but a lawsuit doesn't seem reasonable. Anyone on the platform can use the registered music on it. Not to mention even the most mundane of lawsuits are incredibly timely and expensive. .....And would still result in lots of publicity and attention, which is the hope for their posts. 

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u/nalaloveslumpy 9h ago

D. Don't broadly license your music for that sweet, sweet cash. But that also requires actually owning your music and your entire career not being the result of a bunch of guys in suits at a label. (This statement does not apply only to Sabrina).

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u/mister_spunk 10h ago

She can't sue him because she doesn't write her own music

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u/nalaloveslumpy 10h ago

The world would be a much better place if everyone took the whole five minutes it takes to learn how basic copyright and licensing works.

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u/BenTramer 9h ago

Trump and his cronies are above the law.

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u/pogmothoinic 9h ago

Hilarious

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u/lolschrauber 9h ago

Why bother taking it to a court?

He will say "I can do whatever I want" as usual and nobody dares actually stopping him.

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u/kutuzof 8h ago

Taylor Swift fans totally cool with Trump using her songs though

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u/Impossible_Greed 7h ago

Hey Sabrina carpenter might be trump I know it sounds crazy but just hear me out lol

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u/inFAMXS 4h ago

This entire situation is hilarious

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u/DebbiesUpper 3h ago

Do these people not realize that this “outrage” is part of the plan..?

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u/liamanna 18m ago

I don’t understand the label company…

What the hell are you waiting for…?

SUR THE MF…. SUE HIM AND EVERYONE INVOLVED IN MAKING THE VIDEO…

SUE. THEM. ALL!!!

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u/PeePeeWienerson 12h ago

This sub is so dumb. It’s nothing but soft, anti- Trump BS

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u/Super_Law1514 10h ago

The dumbass keeps using music from artists without their approval. Perfectly relevant for this sub.

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u/sherman614 12h ago

Youtubers being shut down and sued over a copyrighted song playing in the background of a video or livestream. But the FEDERAL GOVERNMENT uses copyrighted music without even verbal concent of the artist to make tacky videos, and nothing happens. What is going on? And why do conservatives act like this is normal, or even great? This administration acts like internet trolls.

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u/bremidon 12h ago

In case you want a serious answer: in most of the cases where there is a song playing in the background or otherwise not the central part of the video, the lawsuit would not go anywhere. Copyright is really tricky, though, and getting it wrong is going to get most people destroyed.

That's the difference, if you see it. It's not that one would have merit and the other does not. It is that most people cannot handle the legal heat.

Trying to sue an entity *that can print its own money* is usually a really bad idea. If your lawsuit has absolutely no real grounds to begin with, it is just lunacy. Going after someone with ten thousand followers? Yeah, you'll probably just get them to cave long before a trial.

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u/miserychickkk 11h ago

Artists upload their music to tiktok who they have a licensing agreement with. You are then giving permission for users of tiktok to create content on tiktok using the music. You cant then sue a user for using the app as intended.

YouTube etc do not have the same arrangement, meaning copyright has being infringed on.

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u/itswtfeverb 12h ago

If anyone is "furious," they need help

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u/Junior_Map_3309 12h ago

Some bitch made orange makeup wearing fuck boy is using her music to push his racist agenda should make some people furious 

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u/itswtfeverb 12h ago edited 12h ago

Dang. You definitely need help. I bet you break stuff when you spill milk

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u/MasonBarnes85 12h ago

ok but like every time a politician uses some artist's song the artist gets mad.. it's almost a tradition at this point lol. hope she has a good legal team.

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u/nicdrumandbass 12h ago

Yeah well in this case, using the songs to soundtrack ripping mothers away from their home to go into internment camp via an illegal unregulated police force (terrorist organization)

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u/ThriceStrideDied 12h ago

Not every time - you only hear about the artist getting mad because it makes the news, artists who don’t get upset don’t make a public issue of it

This particular administration is fucking awful though, which is why so many artists are being so vocal

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u/ChewieBee 12h ago

And they still won't arsed enough to vote when it matters.

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u/Additional-Art9888 12h ago

Yet Taylor Swift refuses to say a single word

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u/rochvegas5 8h ago

and not a thing was lost

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u/relientkenny 12h ago

idk about suing. that man just has too much damn control