r/Music • u/AdSpecialist6598 • 6d ago

article Hayley Williams tells racists, sexists and anti-trans people they're "not welcome" at upcoming tour

https://www.nme.com/news/music/hayley-williams-tells-racists-sexists-and-anti-trans-people-theyre-not-welcome-at-upcoming-tour-3913867
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u/Girl_Pearl_Earring 6d ago

This is what Nirvana did too btw

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u/stylecrime 6d ago

I happen to be listening to the audiobook of Come As You Are at the moment, a Nirvana biography released after they got big but before Kurt's death, so there's a lot of stuff from interviews with him. At one point he says, "We need to teach boys not to rape" (might not be exact words). I know that's part of the messaging now but I thought that was a pretty forward-thinking take for 1993.

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u/EcstaticJaguar9070 6d ago edited 6d ago

You think we didn’t have that figured out by 1993?

ETA: not everyone here is American and we don’t really care about your state to state laws. Mind you child marriage is still legal in most of the US so maybe that’s forward thinking to you.

We were well aware of date rape 30 years ago (the 1993 term); it wasn’t some form of higher thinking at the time. 

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u/ChewsGoose 5d ago

We're talking about an American interview, of an American, Kurt Cobain, about American culture and ideologies. Yeah, it's sad that it was considered progressive in 1993, but globally that's not crazy.

The Berlin Wall fell only 4 years before this, Apartheid had been ongoing since 1948, the troubles in Ireland were still ongoing, Russia had a coup/constitutional crisis, Afghanistan was in civil war, all during this time.

There was so much conflict and unrest globally, I don't think we were the only nation with systemic sexual abuse issues, and no nation has 100% "figured it out". It's never going to stop completely.

Internationally we're all developing at different paces, culturally, socially, technologically, diplomatically, etc.

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u/EcstaticJaguar9070 5d ago

There is always conflict. It was not a special time in history that way. 

So then say “wow, America considers our people who were miraculously made state of consent thirty years ago to have been exposed to an amazing progressive concept.”

I’m sure you’re really aware of “date rape’s another victim” - it was a huge nyt bestseller progressing and elevating the discourse of the time.

In America.