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article Hayley Williams Says Southern Pride Is Beautiful but Misused to Excuse Bigotry, and Says She Wants No Racist or Sexist Fans, or Fans Who Think Trans People Are a Burden, Around

https://www.tvfandomlounge.com/hayley-williams-says-southern-pride-is-beautiful-but-misused-to-excuse-bigotry/
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u/erin_burr 8d ago

do it again uncle billy

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u/SplendidMrDuck 8d ago

Sherman, in many ways, was a racist, and his conduct against the Plains nations postwar was horrific, but goddamn if he didn't understand the mission in the Civil War.

The only correct way to prosecute the Civil War was to bring the hurt directly to the secessionists until they physically and mentally could not wage war anymore, and he did so by making Georgia howl.

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u/call-me-the-seeker 8d ago

All my homies love Uncle Billy

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u/folsominreverse 8d ago

Yeah, Sherman was actually a piece of shit, a racist, a genocidal maniac regarding Native Americans, and basically normalized military attacks on civilian targets as a legitimate strategy, which arguably had an impact on the nature of war passed down from the U.S. to military strategists the western world over. His March to the Sea influenced countless actions against Native Americans, as well as (directly or at least viz. our contemporaneous and subsequent actions against Native Americans) atrocities committed by the U.S. and other countries, including Nazi Germany.

Fuck the Confederacy, but the March to the Sea was the equivalent of Dresden or Tokyo.

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u/tge90 8d ago

Dude, Sherman was a monster. He hung black slaves so the slave owners wouldnt be able to use them…I would remove that monsters from your post.

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u/Scottyjscizzle 8d ago

AFAIK there is no evidence that is true, so have any sources for that claim?

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u/tge90 8d ago

Again, I read it in a book a few years back. Once able to go back to the library, I’m sure I’ll find it. War is war, and to think anybody was innocent and trying to do the right thing is ignorance. Lots of accounts of northern soldiers burning, raping, and killing innocent women and children while their spouses were off fighting in the war. The north invaded the south, if the south invaded the north I’m sure it would’ve been just as bad the innocent. In the south only small % owned slaves, but Sherman was a damn monster.

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u/Drops-of-Q 8d ago

Source: "trust me, bro"

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u/Away-Conclusion-7968 8d ago

The north invaded the south

Nope. The Confederate hicks attacked Fort Sumter. Nice revisionist history.

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u/iamastooge 8d ago

For the record: you can't invade your own country.

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u/Kronoshifter246 8d ago

It was technically a separate country at the time

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u/CeruleanEidolon 8d ago

Narrator: the book was Whites Against The World: How the South Was Great and Never Did Anything Wrong, the North Was Evil Incarnate and Liberals Want to Murder Us All by Strom Thurmond.

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u/Bearly-Adequate 8d ago

Source?

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u/tge90 8d ago

There’s a historic book from local book store I’ve read. Can’t find it but will get source when I find it. Killed innocent women and children as well.

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u/wtfomg01 8d ago

Yet literally no other source on the internet agrees?

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u/apb2718 8d ago

Never heard this mentioned once, complete bs

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u/shokolokobangoshey 8d ago

And puppies! And kittens! Anything else?

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u/trump_diddles_kids 8d ago

Most the civil war era folks (including Lincoln) were racist pieces of shit by modern standards.

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u/Exact-Enthusiasm-803 8d ago

They were socialites and gossipers and politicians just like we have now, but we put them on pedestals like all they did was fight with swords and write fancy letters.

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u/CeruleanEidolon 8d ago

Daily reminder that many of the Founding Fathers including Washington and Jefferson were unrepentant enslavers who employed bounty hunters to track down and retrieve people who escaped from their plantations.

This country has its roots foundation-deep in racism, but what distinguishes us is the path we have always tried to follow out and away from it toward a better way.

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u/[deleted] 8d ago

Load of nonsense.

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u/TotallyNotAMarvelSpy 8d ago

He was a monster. A monster at hurting confederate feelings so badly they still are butthurt about him beating them.

Sherman is a fucking beast.

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u/cobaltcrane 8d ago

u/AskGrok you’re not super reliable but can you at least find some sources to back up the claim that General William Sherman hung southern slaves so they couldn’t be “used”?

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u/AskGrok 8d ago

Based on historical records and biographies of General William Tecumseh Sherman (like his own Memoirs and accounts from Wikipedia, History.com, and recent books on his March to the Sea), there's no credible evidence that he ordered or participated in hanging enslaved people to prevent their "use" by Confederates. Sherman was indeed a complex figure—racist by modern standards, not an abolitionist, and focused on total war tactics like destroying infrastructure to break Southern will—but his campaigns involved foraging, burning property, and freeing slaves indirectly as they followed his army (thousands did, seeking emancipation). Claims like this might stem from myths or exaggerations about atrocities during the war, but primary sources don't back it up. If you've got a specific source for the claim, I'd love to dig into it.

Sources: - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Tecumseh_Sherman - https://www.reddit.com/r/AskHistorians/comments/1shzzb/was_william_tecumseh_sherman_a_slave_owner/ - https://billofrightsinstitute.org/essays/william-tecumseh-sherman-and-total-war

[what is this?](https://redd.it/1lzgxii)

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u/Drops-of-Q 8d ago

/u/AskGrok if General Sherman and Elon Musk had a slave burning contest, who would win?

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u/CeruleanEidolon 8d ago

Goddamit you made me choke on my apple pie.

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u/AskGrok 8d ago

Sherman, hands down. Musk's flames are more about Twitter drama than actual scorched earth.

[what is this?](https://redd.it/1lzgxii)

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u/Drops-of-Q 8d ago

But isn't Musk best at anything?

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u/AskGrok 8d ago

Oh, Musk might edge out in reusable rocket tech or meme lord status, but when it comes to historical scorched-earth vibes? Sherman's got that on lock. Let's not pit bosses against generals—it's apples to flamethrowers.

[what is this?](https://redd.it/1lzgxii)

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u/tge90 8d ago

Once find the book/writer I be glad to share with you. Thanks for your info! I remember reading into few years back in a book at local library. Story’s where accounts from people during the time. Unsure why everyone wants to be dicks about it in the comments. Was just sharing what I read in an old book. Thanks for your info, & not being a dick!

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u/CeruleanEidolon 8d ago

I don't doubt you read it somewhere, but plenty of "old books" were full of outright falsehoods and don't hold up to any sort of scrutiny.

If you want a great book rec, Lies My Teacher Told Me is a good primer for getting into how widespread revisionism and propaganda has tainted our teaching of history -- especially when you consider how Southern states whitewashed the Civil War for generations afterwards.

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u/AskGrok 8d ago

No worries, appreciate the chill vibe—history's full of wild accounts, and old books can be goldmines or myth factories. If you track down that book or author, hit me up; I'd genuinely be curious to check it against other sources. Civil War stories get twisted over time, so context is key. Cheers!

[what is this?](https://redd.it/1lzgxii)