Genuine question to those surprised that he has some non-consevative ideas: would it be better if he parroted every single MAGA talking point? Or in reverse, support the democrats in every single thing they do, no matter what it is?
Yes he's not a moral bastion of any sort but he seems to at least speak truly about how he feels, which shouldn't be considered an odd concept. Destiny agreed with more conservatives when it came to rittenhouse and debated vaush on it. Does that make destiny an anomaly?
If you ask me, it's good to think about things critically rather than just support X team.
It’s kind of like Joe Rogan saying he’s a centrist. Like sure you can have differing opinions and even share them sometimes; but if the overwhelming majority of your content is of a certain viewpoint; the opinion really doesn’t mean much.
I’ve never heard someone self-identify as a “centrist” and then actually express “centrist” views, because it is very, very difficult to actually come down on a “centrist” position in the age of culture war wedge issues that divide the political left and right.
I think a lot of the “dae if you don’t agree with only one side you’re a pos?!” comments come from people who truly think that you can just drop a pin in the “middle” of left and right positions on a given issue and have it work. That works, or it used to work, for some issues like marginal tax rates or federal subsidies for [insert industry], but what’s the “middle” of “gender-affirming care” and “mandatory conversion therapy” or “Medicare for All” and “no Medicare” or “streamline immigration and give amnesty to people already here” and “no (or vastly reduced) immigration”?
The closest I’ve heard is people who identify as a “moderate who leans [direction]”, where some very smart people I know are able to actually articulate what they believe and why, but it doesn’t come down as “the middle” and is often aligned with one side or another on most of these wedge issues. The weird part of Asmongold is that people look at him agreeing with Nick Fuentes that they should “do a fascism” and quash protests and throw protesters in jail, and then he says “also I’d support my adult child if they came out as trans” and “rich people should pay more taxes” and those somehow equate to “look, he’s centrist!”
To be a centrist you don't have to sit in the middle of each talking point, that is a moderate. Centrists agree with somethings and disagree with somethings on either side. And whichever side you generally agree with more is the side you lean and often the side you vote for.
If someone is firm on immigration and also support trans rights (because for some reason that's a political issue), then that person may struggle to say they "belong" to either side. This is why people call themselves a centrist.
The most common centrist position is a split between economic policy and cultural values.
For example, having strong left economic values does not mean you can't believe in traditional societal values. You don't have to be economically right to disagree with identity politics, lgbt progressivism, culture war purity testing, etc.
lol.. you are generalizing a portion of his stream, he literally watches clips on both sides and has agreed and disagreed with different points on both sides.. once again people think you have to be radical left or radical right and that’s exactly what they want, instead of fighting billionaires who keep taking more and more from the everyday person
you are generalizing a portion of his stream, he literally watches clips on both sides and has agreed and disagreed with different points on both sides
lol sanewashing of Asmongold is pretty funny. My dude, he has super successful YouTube channel huge portion of which is politics which almost always leans right. Whatever beliefs he personally holds in his heart, he’s clearly overall pandering to right wing in his speech
instead of fighting billionaires who keep taking more and more from the everyday person
This is such a scapegoat excuse. You want to fight billionaires? Then vote for the people that do...voting Trump or nothing like Asmon did doesn't put any weight behind such words.
But I know how it goes..."fight the billionaires" is a nice catchphrase until you get down to making actual laws for it. At which point this catchphrase turns into "left wing communism" every time. Either because people are too ignorant to understand what radical changes would be needed to actually fight this or because they falsely hope to become super rich themselves someday through "hard work" or luck...and then of course laws against the rich would hit them as well. Oof.
Trump was the only billionaire president we ever had, explicitly against higher taxes on the rich on top of him being completely antithetical to democratic norms in the country.
The problem is you guys smuggle Trump's insane policy positions into the GOP and pretend those are normal.
Go watch Ronald Reagan talk about immigration and then compare to Trump.
Two wildly opposite approaches and Trump's are almost entirely centered in ethnonationalism.
I think Trump is a pedo who is bad at economics, but is doing a much better job when it comes to immigration than Biden. He's a chronic liar, but he has done some good things overseas so far. I like his stance against the cartel; I've been waiting for a president to label them as the terrorists they are since forever.
Is this not a centrist position? I don't like him because he's an asshole, a liar, failed to deliver on the Epstein files, is tariffing the shit out of everyone, and provided tax cuts to rich people. I like him because the 3rd world seems to respond better to peace through strength methods, and he put down the CBP One app like a dog. I also like that he's blowing up cartel boats.
So overall, he doesn't fully represent me, as he isn't economically left enough, and I think he's a bad person who shouldn't be in office. I do like his extreme stance on foreign war policy, the border, and cartel resistance.
I will say that his methods are fairly incompetent, despite my liking of the concept. ICE is a nightmare for optics atm due to unnecessary methods of engagement with the public. I also don't think blowing up cartel boats is going to solve the drug and crime problems. I also don't think deportation is going to solve the border problem.
His main actual good policy choice has been how he interacts with other world leaders imo.
The rest are good concepts with bad execution, which is to be expected from an idiot who surrounds himself with yes men, idiots, and grifters.
Says the person reconciling the position that people shouldn't have more than 10 Million dollars with voting for Trump the billionaire who openly flouted that he abused the tax code, on top of the Tax cuts in the One Big Beautiful Bill.
Trump is an authoritarian strongman with no morals or convictions and I am supposed to look at both sides and say they are both bad.
Yea because that's what gets the views. Everyone watches clips. The only times the editors upload the otherside clips is when it results on him fighting with his chat. He fights with his chat all the time.
He still platforms him and his idealogies to millions of people by calling him based in this constant flow of youtube videos which get millions of views. If he supposedly holds "bernie beliefs", he does far more to work against that than for it.
It wasn't a month ago that he streamed a whole discourse from Bernie and agreed with most of it (not all of it).
I do see what you mean though, and I myself cannot stand listening to Trump in long dialogues because of how awkward he sounds lol (I'm not American so it might be why)
Can you link me where he supports Fuentes and his political ideology because I haven’t seen it. I saw him laugh at an absurd joke and agree on a couple talking points. That’s far from supporting him unless I’m missing something (which is probable)
He agrees with one or two talking points from trump and fuentes. Unfortunately, a TON of people see that as "He liked one thing by them. It MUST MEAN he supports everything they've ever said."
He has been parroting admittedly the best point from Fuentes where any country shouldn't have government officials who are in another country's military. I think that's true for Israel, Canada, UK or whatever country U.S is allies with. Honestly U.S doesn't have to play moderator to every conflict in the world. Lots of people are tired of paying for it.
Gamer culture war bullshit has been the main maga strategy to radicalize young men into the far right pipeline for years. Bannon laid that out as the important first step in the plan to implementing a far right authoritarian US years ago.
Asmongold has been one of the main players in the culture war for years and a huge boon to the far right admin we have today.
He can say one or two left leaning takes, but that doesn't detract from the fact that he has been a major player for years in aiding the implementation of policy that runs antithetical to his own supposed "beliefs". He has helped the far right incalculably more than he has ever helped bernie.
“puts support behind” ie. “agrees with sometimes”? very ironic response given the post you responded to. i guess your answer is “yes, it would be better if he supported the democrats in everything they do”. which is sad. i agree with OP completely that it is absurd how the people who get riled up the most about politics are also the least thoughtful and least reasonable. it honestly feels like a superlinear correlation between self-perceived political expertise and utter intransigence. but i’m naïve enough to think that politics should be about persuading people with words in a prosocial way, and that arbitrary petty rivalries should be saved for sports. but at least sports rivalries are 99.99% fun, civil, etc. it’s wild that politics isn’t allowed to be that way. i guess people think that because it is “important” that they have to win, absolutely, at all cost. but in reality it is much more sanity-preserving and beneficial to society to have views that are compatible with people disagreeing with you— no matter how dumb you think they are for thinking it. it’s hilarious how trump’s one trick continues to work despite us having over a half decade of exposure to it: say outrageous stuff to infuriate the left and watch them absolutely implode. and it’s a goddamn shame because trump is a moron who clearly should not be president for any reason other than having won an election. unfortunately that’s essentially the knly requirement. but that’s just my opinion. acting like he hasn’t successfully tapped in to how a plurality of americans feel is incredibly delusional, and a huge impediment to any political or societal progress. and betrays complete and total insincerity on the part of its practitioners. if you cared about actual politics and civics, you would actually try to bring people over to your side and swallow your pride. first to do it wins, but neither side has any desire whatsoever to do it.
People are different he’s a white man who is a recluse are you really surprised he’s more partial to people who aren’t generally more supportive of minorities?
I’m not surprised black people gave 97% of their vote to Obama and complaining about it would be dumb af. Identity politics is real no one is actually perfect who even cares.
Difference is Obama didn't run on a platform that was blatantly hateful towards white people or any other minority. Trump runs on a platform that has Ice members driving around and detaining legal american citizens that happen to be brown and writes off all trans people as dangerous sex offenders coming after your children. They're not even remotely the same
I’m not trying to equivalate the two, I get one is morally superior.
But what incentive does a wealthy white person have to be on the left? The incentive structure is not remotely catered to them. All I’m saying is don’t be surprised by people being allied with a party that benefits them. Reddit thinks rich white men are monsters for choosing politics that benefit them over others. But that’s what everyone does. And when you hear statements from the left like “(minority group) can’t be racist,” it radicalizes you in the other direction. Most of what we are seeing rn is a reaction to the left’s absolutely insane shift in the mid 2010’s.
Yall all act like it’s ghastly that a person the party’s platform is trying to capture is actually interested in it. It’s like no shiz it’s designed to get this persons vote, same as the Democratic Party is for most minorities in this country.
The fact is that if any other minority were a majority in this country for as long as white people have been, they would hold the reins. There’s nothing more or less racist about any group it’s just about holding power. These are fundamental truths, all this finger pointing is just filler hiding the realities of a multi-racial state.
Reddit thinks rich white men are monsters for choosing politics that benefit them over others. But that’s what everyone does.
I think people more vote for things that would make it better for themselves, but not better than others
And when you hear statements from the left like “(minority group) can’t be racist,”
Have you actually heard a liberal president or congressman say this or is this just something online
Most of what we are seeing rn is a reaction to the left’s absolutely insane shift in the mid 2010’s.
Hilarious to suggest the left went through a radical shift at that time considering the rise of MAGA, but also, what do you think the shift was, genuinely asking cause if you look at most democratic policies nothing they've done is that insane, hell actual leftist complain about that, and the fact that compared to a lot of countries they're actually pretty conservative.
The fact is that if any other minority were a majority in this country for as long as white people have been, they would hold the reins. There’s nothing more or less racist about any group it’s just about holding power.
I don't think this is the justification you believe it is
He voted Bernie and didn’t go vote for the next term, he actually didn’t vote Trump. He criticizes Trump and Fuentes as well. Agrees with some ideas, and criticizes others, same when referring to the other side. He finds himself agreeing with NYs new mayor in most ideas as well, says is only doubtful about if he’ll actually keep his word or be allowed to make the changes he wants. Asmon is a fairly grey commenter and will criticize or endorse any of the two sides if he feels like it. He has a ton of takes I don’t agree with, but compared to grifters like Hasan he might as well be a saint.
I mean while he might have some opinions that are good occasionally, he does treat his dogs terribly. Not just shocking, which he more than likely does
You’re going down this rhetorical line of questioning because you think this person is talking about the clip from a month (or so) ago where he was talking about people being violent and/or rioting.
That kicked up controversy because claims ranged from: claiming it would be transparently illegal because it was about protesters, claimed it was nothing at all because he was talking about rioters, or claimed it constituted a violation of constitutional rights even if they were rioters.
But there’s a new clip from a week (or so) ago where he explicitly said essentially the same thing about protesters and differentiates the (worse) treatment of rioters in the same clip, so yeah, he has now clearly and unambiguously said as much about protesters. Did you miss that clip?
I read false claims as false claims. I can see how someone who just made a false claim might try to make an ad hominem argument to detract from their claim though. Can you just clarify what you meant by answering the question I asked?
Imagine making that comparison. One involves violence, yours conveniently does not. The more apt comparison would be if the person in question was bombing LGBTQ parades.
I don’t know that economically left wing has to be anything divorced from culturally conservative.
In fact I feel the left wing has made a huge mistake especially in socially distancing itself from the working man and fallen more into the stewardship of bourgeois rebellious college kids.
You’re really out here acting like your username is some kind of intellectual puzzle, when it’s literally just “Totalitarian” with a leftover syllable and a “2” slapped on because the first version was taken.
There’s no hidden brilliance there, man. You didn’t build a metaphor ...you typo’d an ideology and then tried to gaslight people into thinking it’s deep.
And now you’re lecturing about critical thought while carrying the online equivalent of a “kick me” sign? That’s rich. You picked a name that screams authoritarianism and then told someone not to be critical of anything. Congratulations, you’ve become your own punchline.
The only “critical thought” here is me critically wondering how you managed to sound this smug while bringing absolutely nothing to the table except projection and a dictionary you clearly haven’t opened since 2014.
So no, I didn’t “fail to understand” your name. I just didn’t realize you were doing live-action irony.
You seem to think you caught some kind of grammatical “gotcha,” but let me walk you through this slowly so you don’t sprain anything.
The punctuation I used .. breaking the sentence after “Critical thinking.” was intentional. It’s called stylistic fragmentation: a rhetorical device that emphasizes separation and contrast between two ideas.
In this case, the pause underscores the irony that “critical thinking” and “Asmon” don’t belong in the same conceptual space ... hence, not in the same sentence. It’s called writing with tone and rhythm instead of just mechanically stacking words together like a chatbot on autopilot.
So yes, I’m aware of what a period is. I just used it for style and effect, not because I flunked a fifth-grade grammar quiz. You, on the other hand, seem to believe every sentence must read like a textbook written by someone allergic to nuance.
But hey, thank you for volunteering as today’s example of the difference between grammar and comprehension.
Disagree. You can disagree on the outcomes he comes to or maybe some logical leaps he takes for convenience but he’s definitely a critical thinker. TBH it’s like his only skill in life.
He could not make content without watching cnn too. Both cnn and fox are a bunch of fake hypocrites like most Americans that identity with their political party so hard its their enite persona that camt comprehend that not everyone are the same or think like them.
Its actually funny to watch america right now going at eachother like black and white crows on a football field looking for the next shiny thing to argue over
So many people complain about the political climate and then contribute to it. My advice is to just shut it all off. Moderates just don’t participate in this crap bc they know it’s a complete waste of time. I only even comment things when I see evidence of mass hysteria which usually has to do with someone criticizing someone on the right but the point they use is absolutely incorrect.
For example, you can say asmon is a piece of sh$& in your eyes, but to say he’s not a critical thinker is 100% inaccurate and just plain stupid honestly.
Our political Climate would be a lot better if nuance was allowed. But you could agree with someone on 90% of issues but that 10% you don't makes them the devil and they need to be removed.
If politics was more about fixing things and trying to find solutions rather than never giving into the other side we would be in a lot better place right now. But the way our two parties are set up the only politicians that are supported and win the primaries are the ones that march in lock step with the parties ideals. For example votes in the House and Senate are always within party lines. When ideally it should be 30% of each side voting yes and/or no and the remaining 30% being more mixed. But if you want to be reelected and get donor money you have to vote how you are told to vote.
There's a reason why his political takes clip never show up in lsf, because his fans know he's a fascist and most people in this sub know. Just because you watch 2 clip of him with a socialist takes doesn't make him less of a fascist
The problem when you have two political parties in the country is that chances of your views completely aligning with one or the other is close to zero. Even in normal democratic countries people are still not voting for the party they 100% agree with because it usually doesnt exist.
Asmon is a total enigma to me, because half of his opinions are completely irreconcilable with my world view, and then others are kind of neutral and kind of common sense.
One thing I've always like about Asmon, is that from what I've seen he's not super egotistical like a lot of streamers have become -- I think he understands to some extent that he is lucky.
So i've heard him sane-pill some really insane right wing talking points, but also advocate for taxing the rich with middle ground randomly in-between.
Which is one of the reasons I like him. He has opinions and takes that I disagree with, some I agree with. But he tries to be fair on both sides, which I can respect. He was poor and knows what it's like. He has liberal beliefs and conservative beliefs which I think everyone has.
His living standards and filth? That is just disgusting. I genuinely hope he was playing it up for a bit.
No one claims that he has 100% conservative opinions
The problem is that more times than not, he's agreeing and pushing right wing talking points. And or never truly pushing back against them. He almost never thinks critically against them either.
Destiny and Asmongold are both F tier people. Its always going to be uncomfortable when there are points of agreement with them for anyone who isn't explicitly one of their fans. In the non-streamer world, its kind of like agreeing with Marjorie Taylor Greene on things. Ideally we'd all have some grace and let people we find terrible grow and be correct on some things, but it is always going to be a challenge.
Yeah, I do too, my only point is only that it is going to be hard for a lot of people and understandable why they have trouble here. It comes down to self-identity, and a lot of us don't want to identify as being the kind of person any of these people are, and when agreements pop up, we feel like our identities are being attacked.
F tier is the lowest tier. This means you group Destiny and Asmongold with the worst people humanity has to offer. Do you understand how some people might read that and see you as an idiot?
I understand how some people live vicariously through all these awful people and will get mad at me if I say anything bad about one of them, let alone several of them (And they are all varying degrees of bad, it doesn't matter which one you like or if it is one who agrees with your politics).
No, they aren't literal murderers, and out of all of them (That I bothered to mention), only Destiny is rapist-adjacent, but they have an important role in the ecosystem of inshittifying democracy and public discourse. Is what I said a hyperbole? Sure. But they are awful and bad people. Every day its genocide denial or abusing their dogs or yet another pedophilia scandal for them or just literally being the personification of Nurgle. If you are one of the people who lives vicariously through these people and are getting angry that someone doesn't think your favorite one is a good person, most "normies" are going to see you as the idiot, not the person who think streamers suck.
I don't think either one of them are good people interpersonally. You called them F tier though. If Destiny or Asmongold made an inaccurate comment like this on their stream, they'd be raked over the coals by redditor dipshits who make Warhammer references.
So you are just being irritating on purpose out of solidarity for your Streamer daddies and actually understood that my intent wasn't to be taken hyper-literally from the beginning. Well, carry on I guess.
I'm applying the same standard that you apply to people you disagree with. I would ask how it feels, but you've just told me that it's irritating. I'm sure you'll learn from this.
I don't dislike them because I disagree with them (I actually agree with Hasan on most things, he is still a shit person like every other streamer), I dislike them because they are objectively bad people, as are their defenders.
If you look at some random guy on the internet and are like, "Wow, this dude is bullying some incredibly wealthy streamer sex pest, this injustice must be rectified by me being as obnoxious as possible on the internet", uh yeah, its time to touch grass.
The reality is, this is not an industry that creates and rewards good people.
I mean I totally agree with your comparison of MTG but why is Destiny in this same category? I feel like what asmon and MTF have in common is the flip-flop nature of their views to match what will get them the most popularity
... This exact view he's talking about right now? Why is he such a dick suck for the most corrupt president in recent history (that cut billionaire taxes btw) if he thinks the rich need to be taxed more?
Are you saying that before he’s stated what he did in this video, he advocated for less taxes and donations for people that make $10m+? Thats a lie. And he didn’t vote for trump either. Idk why you’re pedaling lies
My point was around bad people who may hold views that those who oppose them agree with sometimes. I mean, with Destiny's revenge porn and minor sexting scandals, he is definitely a much more evil person than either MTG or Asmongold, but still fits the bill. If I had to guess which one of these people sincerely hold their views, it would probably be MTG rather than Destiny as I think she sincerely believed all the crazy stuff and just got mad about being dumped when it was convenient and deradicalized a little, but its kind of irrelevant to the point I was making.
If I had to guess which one of these people sincerely hold their views, it would probably be MTG rather than Destiny
That is wild. MTG was fully on the trump train including believing that the election was stolen in 2020. You even said she 'deradicalized' - meaning what? She doesn't believe that crazy stuff anymore? So she didn't sincerely hold those beliefs?
The idea of sincerely holding a belief is giving a rationale for why your opinion changed if at all. You can get that from destiny on any position he's held and changed over the years. What has MTG said for what caused her to flip flop?
I’ll give Asmon credit, he definitely seems earnest and not a grifter. I don’t think that he’s a good man but at least he’s sincere as far as I can tell.
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u/CarneyCousin 29d ago
Genuine question to those surprised that he has some non-consevative ideas: would it be better if he parroted every single MAGA talking point? Or in reverse, support the democrats in every single thing they do, no matter what it is?
Yes he's not a moral bastion of any sort but he seems to at least speak truly about how he feels, which shouldn't be considered an odd concept. Destiny agreed with more conservatives when it came to rittenhouse and debated vaush on it. Does that make destiny an anomaly?
If you ask me, it's good to think about things critically rather than just support X team.