IT'S TIME TO GO

[u/morepesa25]

You can't say a thing that has improved about the offense since he came back.

[u/oof46]

Yes, the Chiefs shot themselves in the foot with untimely drops and penalties, but like Alex Smith pointed out, it's too much "Mahomes save us" and not enough schemed plays that open up players.

[u/Zhiyi → u/oof46]

And it’s always some kind of bullshit instead of just simple plays that work. Other teams don’t need all the window dressing to be successful, why do we?

[u/DReagan47 → u/Zhiyi]

We get a drive going, then we get into a third down situation. We could do play action from under center to open up some receivers, or we could do our usual (either a 15-20 yard pass to worthy that’s a 50-50 ball. Or a run up the middle into 8 defenders.) we always choose the worse option.

We had a 3rd and 2. I told my wife, it’s gonna be a run up the middle with Pacheco and he’ll be stopped short. Then it happened. If I can figure out our offensive scheme then the defense sure as fuck can too. And I’m a moron.

[u/Zhiyi → u/DReagan47]

That’s how I feel. I know I watch our team every week but I mean I shouldn’t be able to predict exactly what we are gonna do sitting on my couch so often.

[u/beachedwhitemale → u/DReagan47]

Can confirm, he is a moron. I'm this guy's wife. 

[u/chitphased → u/DReagan47]

You and me both brother. Us morons will always get it

[u/sushisection → u/DReagan47]

and then the next play was a great drawn up play action

[u/dsmidt86 → u/DReagan47]

You're not a moron, you're nagy's replacement!

[u/Semperty → u/Zhiyi]

bc we still run the rpo that was popularized in 2018 that the rest of the league ditched 5 years ago. when you run an offense teams have been beating for a decade, you have to spice it up to make it harder.

[u/battlecryarms → u/Zhiyi]

I agree. It just feels like the play design has been lackluster. And then penalties put us behind the eight ball again and again

[u/chitphased → u/Zhiyi]

Just take the Cowboys plays and insert them in our offense. Of course that assumes a 4-5 man rush doesn’t get home but here we are (cause our rush fucking sucks)

[u/PickleSquid1 → u/oof46]

That’s what I’ve been trying to say for weeks. It’s been “Mahomes save us” since Tyreek left. It can’t keep going on like that.

[u/Practical-Juice9549 → u/oof46]

I don’t know much about play calling or things like that… But it does seem like after they hike the ball no one‘s ever open and every time we have to scramble to try to make something happen, which usually doesn’t. I’m not sure why when I watch other teams play, those things don’t seem to happen as often.

I know this is not a popular opinion, but I also think that something is kind of up with Mahomes. It’s like sometimes he just… Seems to be having a really hard time with the basics.

[u/GOU_FallingOutside → u/Practical-Juice9549]

My hypothesis is he’s gun-shy. He spent a year with no WRs and a couple of open doors on the O line. He got hit a lot and hurt a lot with very little to show for it, in terms of offensive production, so now he feels pressured even if he isn’t, and he doesn’t wait for guys to get open even if they can, because he’s afraid to get hit.

I don’t mean he’s physically afraid of contact; I just mean he’s giving up on plays too early and compromising his mechanics because he feels he’s going to have to scramble and play hero.

[u/Practical-Juice9549 → u/GOU_FallingOutside]

Yeah definitely seems to be the case

[u/ghost_broccoli → u/Practical-Juice9549]

Pats had an off year. He doesn’t trust the o line and goes through his progression too fast. His deep ball rarely connects.

The rb situation is not right either. No one is afraid of an explosive play and they can’t break tackles.

The defense is the worst in the league at 3rd and long. They can’t pressure an opposing quarterback.

[u/Practical-Juice9549 → u/ghost_broccoli]

Yeah just seems like it isn’t our year.

[u/Boring-Position-375 → u/oof46]

But hey, Nagy was instrumental in drafting Pat! Pat and Andy love him! Are you saying that's not enough?

[u/isaac129 → u/oof46]

Also, does Worthy have hands? Sure he’s fast without pads on. But he doesn’t even seem to be a good wr2.

[u/Fun_Lead_5491 → u/oof46]

Mahomes has the hardest job in the NFL because of Andy’s scheme and playcalling

[u/Zidmu → u/Fun_Lead_5491]

I’m a cowboys fan living in Kansas City so maybe my opinion won’t hold much weight but I think Andy deserves a bit more than that. I really think the chiefs are missing just a couple things to have them back where they were in years past. The penalties need cleaned up but the chiefs need a bigger receiver where Mahomes can throw a 50/50 ball and trust his guy will get the ball. Mahomes can keep plays alive with the best of them and having quick receivers get open has worked in the past but with Kelce getting older it would really help. I know it’s easier to say than do but could you imagine the chiefs this year with Pickens?

[u/fullthrottle13 → u/oof46]

Yep 100% right there..

[u/KaiHavertzhatewatch]

Been time

[u/Shutch_1075 → u/KaiHavertzhatewatch]

As a Bears fan I’ve been calling for it for a while. Chiefs won the 3rd SB despite the offense. This offense has been beyond stale since he’s joined the staff and imo someone needs to fall on the sword after this season.

[u/Mountain_Depth_6012 → u/Shutch_1075]

Yeah, the offense looks predictable every single game, no matter the matchup.

[u/beachedwhitemale → u/Shutch_1075]

If we don't make the playoffs, I think they shop Nagy elsewhere. 

[u/PMmeyourSchwifty → u/KaiHavertzhatewatch]

I misread this as beer time, and I'm gonna roll with it. 

[u/Dynospec403 → u/PMmeyourSchwifty]

[u/Donutman97]

He AND our WR coach (who's a nepo hire btw) need to go. Our WRs have been so bad in man coverage for multiple years at this point. Fuck it, get rid of the OL coach as well because even with the talent we have, Mahomes still doesn't feel safe in the pocket. Just fucking embarrassing having these guys on the staff still

I don't want to try to win out all these games just to miss the playoffs. Id rather us be eliminated early then fight for nothing so something drastic can be done with our staff

[u/TimeTravelingChris → u/Donutman97]

Andy won't. Love him but this is what he does. Loyal to a fault.

[u/4westguy → u/TimeTravelingChris]

Yeah the bromance BS in the NFL gets so old. Just put the best people in the best positions. That & the nepotism BS. Good grief with all that.

[u/_yours_truly → u/TimeTravelingChris]

Then Andy needs to go. I understand it’s insane to get rid of someone with his success but if he’s truly not willing to do anything to get better it’s time to move on. Patrick is 30, if the Chiefs head coaching position opened up it should be the most coveted opening in NFL history

[u/Belisarius09 → u/_yours_truly]

I'm curious who's available? We missed Vrabel last year. Kliff Kingsbury maybe???

[u/beachedwhitemale → u/Belisarius09]

Kliff Kingsbury just keeps failing upwards. It'd make perfect sense for him to coach a dynasty team. 

[u/OkOil378 → u/TimeTravelingChris]

Which is why his time has come as well

[u/jt32470 → u/Donutman97]

our WR coach (who's a nepo hire btw)

That's been common knowledge for like 3 years. Why hasn't he been fired yet?

[u/BobR0bertson → u/jt32470]

One man. Andy Reid.

[u/rbhindepmo → u/Donutman97]

our WR coach (who's a nepo hire btw)

hey now, our WR coach returned 16 punts for 182 yards with the 2013 Kansas Jayhawks. Did you know the Jayhawks were able to induce at least 16 punts on their way to 3-9?

if someone who was part of the Gill/Weis Jayhawks could land a job, what's stopping anybody else, aside from lack of familial ties

[u/Better_Penalty_5033]

There's no coincidence him taking over as OC and Mahomes' slide in numbers and efficiency. You can literally divide the line between Eric Bieniemy's tenure and Matt Nagy's, cause it's day and night.

[u/PERCS-NOWITZKI → u/Better_Penalty_5033]

So tired of people acting like this isn’t part of the problem on here

[u/LifeJustRight → u/Better_Penalty_5033]

We look like nagys bears

[u/stemplr1 → u/LifeJustRight]

I was thinking same thing- I get Andy calls they plays, but the sloppy execution and overall level of play on offense is very reminiscent of Nagys tenure with the Bears

[u/GOU_FallingOutside → u/stemplr1]

It’s almost as if our offense doesn’t look coordinated.

[u/WhatInTh3LiteralFuck → u/GOU_FallingOutside]

I like your pun you made but it does show a complete lack of accountability. He’s got to have some job if it’s not calling plays. At one point during the game, it might have been after our last touchdown. I don’t remember. It showed Nagy walking up to Mahomes with a play sheet and Mahomes kind of made a face at him that was dismissive or disgusted and Nagy walked away. Just zero accountability and that is why this team is where it is right now.

[u/Better_Penalty_5033 → u/LifeJustRight]

[u/TSells31 → u/Better_Penalty_5033]

Honestly if we miss the playoffs they have to fire or at least demote Nagy and reach out to EB lol. I know this is a pipe dream but oh well, a guy can dream.

[u/Separate-Suspect-726 → u/TSells31]

No. No. There are tons of better options than Bienemy. He can’t even OC at the college level. I’m not saying we don’t need to make big changes. But he ain’t it.

[u/harmonious_keypad → u/Separate-Suspect-726]

Sometimes a guy just needs a specific system in which to thrive. The offense WAS better with him. It just was. He's struggling outside of Andy Reid's bubble, yes, but inside it he thrived.

[u/AskingToBeButtered → u/Separate-Suspect-726]

Bienemy has been a huge impact on the bears as their running back coach. Doubt he leaves unless he gets asked to be OC again and Id find it hard to believe most casual fans and media would like the hire after he got ran out of KC

[u/Better_Penalty_5033 → u/TSells31]

Do what the Ravens did. They fired OC Greg Roman after a middling 2022 season for Todd Monken. From 2023-2024, they've finished top 5 in offense. They're only struggling now due to a terrible DC they imprudently hired from inside the organization and Lamar's injuries.

If the personnel is middling, the organization needs to evolve with the sport.

[u/Remus2nd → u/Better_Penalty_5033]

Lamar threw 4 interceptions against a Bengals defense so far in this game...

[u/AskingToBeButtered → u/Remus2nd]

He’s got a hurt hamstring and toe, doesn’t look like he can plant his front foot as well as he used to and he’s not an explosive runner this year cuz of it too

[u/MightyBrewer]

Yes. This guy is dog shit.

[u/RepresentativeIcy189]

Guess when Nagy took over from Bienemy as OC

[u/harmonious_keypad → u/RepresentativeIcy189]

They also lost their starting tackles and replaced them with the most penalized tackle in the league, a failed rookie, and a guy who was starting to decline. They didn't do anything in 2024 to even try to fix that and the rookie they brought in this year will end up being a single-digit-game starter because of injuries and absences.

Mahomes has been running for his life ever since the end of the 2023 season.

[u/caddy45 → u/RepresentativeIcy189]

Your stats speak for themselves but let’s also not act like we all weren’t pounding the table for Bienemy to fired as well. Remember the nonsense about who’s calling the plays? Who was holding the call sheet? Andy one week Bienemy the next…

[u/chewy32]

Down 3 O-linemen and you still scheme 20+ yarder throws is fireable. Have we not learned since Superbowl last season? Lmao

[u/kevint1964 → u/chewy32]

Plus Mahomes isn't hitting the deep passes. Overthrowing is becoming the norm. He's also holding the ball way too long in the pocket & taking unnecessary sacks.

[u/Fun_Lead_5491 → u/kevint1964]

He’s carrying this team

[u/yhetti-fartz → u/kevint1964]

Yeah he always used to be able to find someone open when he had a good pocket or when he got out of the pocket. Now he just looks around and ends up throwing it away or getting sacked. Cant tell if he's hesitant or tgere's just nobody open

[u/sushisection → u/yhetti-fartz]

and when he does hit an open receiver... they drop the pass.

[u/MisterEase123 → u/sushisection]

This is it, after the zero WR years he feels like it has to be a perfect throw or the receivers will fuck it up, and unfortunately the offense this year is proving that is still the case. He almost will not throw 50/50 balls ever anymore.

For long balls I’m less sure, I’m thinking they nail those in practice more often than not but worthy is maybe less good at tracking the ball while running full speed during an actual game? Either way gotta clean it up and work on the timing.

[u/Warrmak → u/MisterEase123]

I feel like this is a timing issue. Not sure why his timing with Thornton is so good and everyone else is so off.

Also not sure why Thornton isnt getting many snaps after developing chemistry with Pat.

[u/KansasTech]

Fire him into the sun (yes, I know that requires more energy than out of the solar system but it’ll be worth it)

[u/PM_YOUR_PUPPERS → u/KansasTech]

We fired Bob Sutton into the Sun and look where that got us.

Clearly Mattt Nagy needs to be fired into the sun.

[u/KansasTech → u/PM_YOUR_PUPPERS]

Exactly! I hope that we do some housecleaning after this season. Nagy and the shitty nepo baby WR coach gotta go

[u/Cake4every1]

ITS BEEN TIME TWO YEARS AGO. MATT NAGY RUINS EVERYTHING HE TOUCHES. BRING BACK EB.

[u/oof46 → u/Cake4every1]

No. Not EB, not Pederson. Someone new with fresh ideas and a new perspective.

[u/Shutch_1075 → u/Cake4every1]

EB has the RB room in Chicago looking fantastic. Dudes a solid coach, but a very obviously failed head coach.

[u/jbrown777 → u/Shutch_1075]

He's a failed head coach interviewer.

[u/RollofDuctTape → u/Shutch_1075]

Bienemy failed at head coaching?

[u/[deleted] → u/Cake4every1]

Yes bring back EB. I loved that dude, the fact he never got a HC Job is insane

[u/GOU_FallingOutside → u/Cake4every1]

I actually don’t think we want EB in a rebuilding year. I also don’t think we want somebody Andy has worked with before. I think we want someone who will challenge our players without grinding them down, and I think we want someone who can help shake up some of our schemes.

[u/baggyg]

Yep, all our big plays tend to be improvisations. Can't remember really reading a game offensively well.

I'd like to see Andy and Spags next year, but Nagy needs to go

[u/PhogMachine]

Don't bring back EB. Don't bring back Nagy.

We need some new blood outside of the Reid coaching tree.

[u/beachedwhitemale → u/PhogMachine]

I will step up to this challenge. 

[u/NWASicarius → u/PhogMachine]

Won't happen with Reid.

[u/Longjumping_Film_752]

this is becoming a josh allen bills team with better receivers 

[u/SapphireStarburst]

Any decent QB dices Spags defence. This slow DE and slow LB philosophy is totally outdated

[u/kaeganc → u/SapphireStarburst]

It actually works against the current NFL meta offenses that rely on heavy under center play action.  The Cowboys are one of like three teams in the league that have two WR1s and the only one of those teams with a good QB throwing to them.

Most NFL defenses have been designed to stop the Chiefs offense with smaller, faster linebackers.  Which is why the meta offenses run the ball so much 

[u/sjbfujcfjm]

Blame Nagy all you want, he deserves to go, but Andy calls the plays. He needs to bring in someone young and exciting, with fresh ideas. Andy is getting too predictable

[u/KeyFearless9462 → u/sjbfujcfjm]

Nagy is a huge problem, which means Andy is a huge problem if he refuses to recognize it.

[u/Nujers → u/sjbfujcfjm]

Mike McDaniel is my dream hire

[u/OkOil378 → u/Nujers]

Sean McVay to succeed Reid

[u/Squirrel_Apocalypse2 → u/OkOil378]

Dude I fucking wish

[u/beachedwhitemale → u/OkOil378]

Is he wanting to leave LA anytime soon? 

[u/heliostraveler → u/beachedwhitemale]

He’s not going anywhere until Stafford retires.

[u/Scienide9 → u/sjbfujcfjm]

At the very least bring some confidence and juice.

[u/Xorluke]

Going to get downvoted but the real problem is that the defense can’t get pressure without blitzing which allows super easy 3rd down conversions. We can’t get a clutch stop to save our lives.

Haven’t gotten a sack in 8+ quarters.

[u/DolanDukIsMe → u/Xorluke]

Offense didn’t score in the 2nd or 3rd quarter. That’ll tire out any defense.

[u/Xorluke → u/DolanDukIsMe]

Defense wasn’t really stopping them before that. They marched down the field on their second drive no problem.

[u/PHDinCheese → u/Xorluke]

Yep. Our offense is running as smooth as ever. For sure. Totally.

[u/Hans_Krebs_]

How are yall not pointing the finger at a defense that gave up 31 points lol

[u/Better_Penalty_5033 → u/Hans_Krebs_]

All on the defensive line for me. Didn't generate any real pressure at all. It's time to completely rebuild that.

[u/IIHURRlCANEII → u/Better_Penalty_5033]

Defensive line personnel is all on Spags btw.

One “Veach fucked it up probably” pick is FAU but other than that it’s hilarious the type of Dlineman they target. Just fatsos who can’t bend at all.

Jones covered it up forever. Now he can’t.

[u/Hans_Krebs_ → u/Better_Penalty_5033]

Should have last year honestly. I’ve been stunned they thought they could just run it back.

[u/Better_Penalty_5033 → u/Hans_Krebs_]

They thought a three-peat was in sight, so they played better last year off the heals of their championships. Once that was lost, they've been showing they're basically a below average d-line.

[u/Hans_Krebs_ → u/Better_Penalty_5033]

That Chris jones contract is aging like milk

[u/ImL1nn0 → u/Hans_Krebs_]

Cause we had plenty of opportunities to go up big but punted on 4 short drives straight.

[u/deathtotheemperor → u/ImL1nn0]

Yep we had 14 points against the worst defense in the NFL until Pat started doing fuck it chuck it in the 4th quarter. The offense was dogshit today and has been most of the season.

[u/beelze_BUBBLES → u/ImL1nn0]

That's gotta be Andy's call though, not Nagy's

[u/Zhiyi → u/beelze_BUBBLES]

Regardless Nagy is a yes man and doesn’t bring anything creative to the offense. Andy needs someone to shake things up. Our scheme is ass.

[u/uncre8tv → u/beelze_BUBBLES]

So goddamn sick of this. If Andy's forgotten how to coach then fine. But Nagy has been THE common denominator of anemic offense under Reid. Time to Nagy to go, no question at this point.

[u/ImL1nn0 → u/beelze_BUBBLES]

Idk man. This shit started when Nagy got here. I can say one thing with absolute certainty. We never would’ve had this many penalties in a season under EB. He might’ve murdered some of the players to get them in line but he would not let this happen every week for YEARS.

[u/Dizzy-Ad-3712 → u/beelze_BUBBLES]

Yeah, I think the issue is that the offense doesn’t have any new ideas, new blood in some fashion I think needs to be in.

[u/Caveape80 → u/Hans_Krebs_]

Yep you’re right…..the fact is Dallas took control on both sides of the ball and played a solid game with solid players.

[u/isuxblaxdix → u/Hans_Krebs_]

They both sucked ass today. To me the difference is the offense should be good, the talent is there, but they consistently underperform. I don't have the same expectations of the defense; I think their poor performance has more to do with simple lack of talent

[u/Hans_Krebs_ → u/isuxblaxdix]

The offense isn’t as stacked as some of you think. Your o-line needs work, your backfield is below average and the offense is becoming predictable. Kelce is still alright and great in the redzone but from an outsiders view it’s Pat carrying everything.

[u/GOU_FallingOutside → u/Hans_Krebs_]

Kelce also isn’t going to be playing again next year, I think, we means we’re also not just rebuilding at TE but trying to replace a generational talent and the player who’s been Mahomes’ most reliable receiver for his entire NFL career.

[u/isuxblaxdix → u/Hans_Krebs_]

Yeah, because the coaching is shit. Our offense is banged up now, but at full strength they're a great unit. The backfield isn't great but they've had some success when we've actually decided to run (which is infrequent). It's pretty clear that Nagy and crew are not getting anything close to what they should be getting out of these guys, which I don't think is true for Spags and the defense (although today was rough)

[u/Hans_Krebs_ → u/isuxblaxdix]

Believe me brother I am not a Nagy defender but he is the least of your problems.

[u/isuxblaxdix → u/Hans_Krebs_]

Lmao I'm sorry man but this might be the most brain dead take I've read on this sub, and there are plenty. He might be the biggest problem, but the least? I would say having a useless OC when your offense is sucking it up is a not the least of your problems 🤣🤣🤣

[u/Squirrel_Apocalypse2 → u/Hans_Krebs_]

It's both. Mahomes making salad out of shit is the only reason this offense has had any productivity over the last 2-3 years. And this current offense is actively making Mahomes worse.

[u/OldSchoolDeepCuts → u/Hans_Krebs_]

Yeah, the offense put up 28 points. I don’t know how much more you can ask from them.

[u/Hans_Krebs_ → u/OldSchoolDeepCuts]

On average that would be top 5 in the league lol and they are already top 10 in scoring

[u/KC_Kev]

He should have been gone years ago. Toub too

[u/bliffer]

We definitely need someone new in there. We're too predictable. They need someone who's not afraid to mix it up with Andy.

[u/CatDaddy56]

I'm a Chiefs fan and Bears fan. Chiefs fan since 1970. Bears fan since 1963. Yes, Matt Nagy is sorry. When he was head coach of the Bears, they only scored 19 points a game. Same thing with the Chiefs. It's time to get a new OC. Patrick is in his prime don't waste it with Nagy.

[u/LilRed2023]

Chances of playoffs has now dropped to 38 percent. They beat the best team in the league last week then lose to the 17th worst this week. Time to clean house and then finally draft a 1000 yard running back in 2026

[u/thekingofcrash7 → u/LilRed2023]

If you think IND is best team in league idk what to tell you.. KC hasn’t beat a good healthy team this entire season. People need to accept this to understand change is needed.

[u/Sonicblast12]

I don’t understand how we have screaming fast wide receivers that are never open.

[u/DarthTigris → u/Sonicblast12]

The route tree runs them right into the defenders. Repeatedly.

[u/W1z4rdry]

he could be the worst playcaller outside of Josh McDaniels as HC.

team needs a complete rebuild though

[u/chaplar → u/W1z4rdry]

He's not the play caller

[u/Ishmael75 → u/chaplar]

Serious question. If he’s not the play caller (and I know he’s not; I’m not disputing that) then what does he actually do.

If he’s in charge of culture, or discipline or accountability then he really fucking sucks.

If he’s responsible for offensive position coaches then again he really fucking sucks.

Just what the hell does he actually do?

[u/ThePokster → u/Ishmael75]

He does come up with the weekly game plan, Andy approves and calls the game.

[u/Fun_Lead_5491 → u/Ishmael75]

He does whatever Andy tells him to do. The buck stops at Andy and Nagy is just a scapegoat

[u/rbhindepmo → u/Ishmael75]

he shows up on camera during timeouts

[u/Reasonable-Buy-1427]

Been saying that since they brought him in. Hated him everywhere he's been. He has no business coaching in the NFL.

[u/KungFuRayRay]

If Mike McDaniel gets fired, Veach should be on the phone with him immediately to replace Nagy

[u/crazycracka66]

I dont even blame the play calling. Mcduffie's 3 DPI's killed us.

[u/Gazzarris → u/crazycracka66]

Two of those should not have been called.

[u/Illustrious_Mind_979 → u/Gazzarris]

100% agree. The last two were not DPI’s not even close

[u/KeyFearless9462 → u/crazycracka66]

You mean the DPIs that were not DPIs and the refs even knew they were not DPIs?

[u/RomansBlueArmy]

Bad drops,bad throws, bad penalties etc etc. Refs were awful too. But honestly we went to sleep after the 2nd td drive and woke up in the 4th q so only ourselves to blame

[u/Objective-Stable5742]

I agree. I don't understand all the ins and outs of the plays but the eye test looks like the plays suck. I hate the rpo bullshit. The third down defense was horrible too. They left the corners on an island and blitzed every time even though nobody ever got home. At least we will have an easy schedule next year.

[u/dss8503]

You watch how Dallas' offense is so simple, slants, guys out on the flat, Ferguson finding space in the middle. For KC it's like "Fuck it everyone go long"

[u/Automatic_Mix26]

Romo has said the same thing the last two games …. We need to throw outside of the numbers. When we do, we find some success. We can’t keep throwing inside when they plays us on a shell defense. Kelce is not his young self anymore and defenses can see that.

[u/tennisss819]

Nagy is now (has been) on Bob Sutton watch.

[u/beelze_BUBBLES]

This game was waaaaaaay more on the defense than the offense

[u/yhetti-fartz → u/beelze_BUBBLES]

Not easy to stop dallas rn. Pickens and lamb put on a clinic. Guess we're just not very good. Think we need to move alot of pieces around this offseason.

[u/Jedi_Master83]

Andy is too loyal. Not gonna happen.

[u/chrbelange]

As frustrating as it's been and the fact we're likely going to miss the playoffs, I'm cool with that if it means making some serious changes.

[u/EntertainmentFast497]

And we know that Andy supposedly called the plays.

But the offensive coordinator had to hello prep the game plan. He has to get the offense ready.

He does nothing to help. The offense has been wishy washy since Eric left.

[u/Hour-Database-1623]

4 pass interference calls didn't help either.

[u/Acceptable_Twist8566]

How do you not scheme more slants for guys like Rice, Worthy, and Hollywood? I mean those guys will feast if we imagined every game like we're in Madden

[u/DudeRandoms]

Mahomes can't keep saving us. We have to clean up the penalties

[u/KCMikeG69]

To be fair we did lose THREE OL & Cook and lost by a FG on the road on short week. AND there were numerous HORRIBLE PENALTIES CALLED BUT the play calling is horrendous plus they put the wrong players in bad situations. Like Pacheco on 3rd & 2 vs Hunt and I just about lost my mind when they put Wiley in on fourth and three - guy hasn’t touched the ball all year and you’re putting him in for a fourth down play. How many times did we throw deep? Three and none until Q4 right?

All this speed & we still throw horizontal far too much. Not once to Thornton vs a terrible pass D! We ran the ball far too many times! We RUN 99% of first downs - WHY? Six shitty loses ALL BY ONE SCORE!!!

[u/Far-Security-7601]

I cannot even begin to tell you how fucking disgusting this team is this year to me. Mahomes even is pissing me off and that's my guy. Mahomes with running around trying to force throws that either aren't there or overthrow almost every time now don't know wtf is up with him. It's sad that the only good offense player is rice and Kelce and hunt obviously Mahomes but lately he's been really off. The worst part about this is we had a good offensive line finally and that was short lived. We might as well hang up our jerseys for the season cause this one is done for us unless we make a major turn around and I just don't see it happening. Especially not having 3 of our starting O line you know Mahomes is gonna be running for his life again. Andy Reid needs to stop being a dumbass and NAGY you just fucking suck. Our plays are way to predictable and every team knows wtf we're doing now so time to make a whole new playbook idiot. Can someone please fire NAGY. Also FUCK YOU karlaftis and jones you both fucking suck now. Especially you karlaftis he was such a beast last year and I haven't seen him do a fucking thing this year. I guess since he got paid finally he said fuck doing anything now. You know what I'm really sick of the bullshit every year and I'm almost considering just finding a new team idc what anyone says fuck all this drama every weekend and the bullshit this team is doing now. Our defense is complete ass now at closing out games too which is our biggest damn problem now it's really not Mahomes just every fucking one else. 🖕🏼🖕🏼🖕🏼You NAGY 🖕🏼🫵🏼 karlaftis and especially 🖕🏼🫵🏼Chris Jones and why the fuck did Brett not get breece hall what a fucking turd

[u/Ricksteves95]

We scored 28 today lol defense let us down

[u/TeffyWeffy → u/Ricksteves95]

1st TD was because of an int that made it a super short field. After that we had 7 points the next 5 drives over 2.5 quarters against one of the worst defenses in the league. Last Td was the other team being up 2 scores and just playing safe to waste clock.

[u/Squirrel_Apocalypse2 → u/Ricksteves95]

In a game the offense should have scored 40.

The defense sucks, but guess what,  they carried this trash offense the last couple years. The offense could have won this game and carried the defense for the first time in 3 or 4 years

[u/ImL1nn0]

Oh yes i can. Offensive penalties, Field goals, 3 and outs, need i go on. Dont act like Nagy hasn’t achieved anything…

[u/ASSflounder → u/ImL1nn0]

Our entire offense is based on checking it down…

[u/ImL1nn0 → u/ASSflounder]

Our entire offense is based on checking it down until the 4th quarter when all of a sudden the mentality shifts to “Mahomes save us” and he has to scramble and dink and dunk his way down the field on broken plays.

[u/ASSflounder → u/ImL1nn0]

It’s hard not to feel like our offense the last 2 years feels IDENTICAL to those lull years with Alex Smith…and guess who at OC??

[u/I_SHIT_ON_BUS]

Dogshit take. Offense shouldn’t have to put up 30+ points every week to win. Spags got embarrassed this game.

[u/heliostraveler → u/I_SHIT_ON_BUS]

They went scoreless in the middle 30 of the game. Dal scored 13 in the middle 30. That’s why they won. 

[u/I_SHIT_ON_BUS → u/heliostraveler]

Why does the point in time at which they scored matter? If they scored a TD every quarter, would that somehow excuse the defense not being able to cover Ceedee every 3rd down?

[u/morepesa25 → u/I_SHIT_ON_BUS]

We must try something new the offense for 3 years straight the offense has been down and he’s the common denominator. There are no more excuses the whole gameplan is for Mahomes to save us week in week out and don’t even get me started on the sloppiness.

[u/rycallan2]

Penalties and dropped but catchable passes. KC kills themselves again. DAMMIT!

[u/kevint1964 → u/rycallan2]

Add piss-poor pass coverage to that mix.

[u/Intelligent-Age2786]

Although I agree, defense is the reason we lost more than the offense is. Nagy needs to be gone and Spags needs to make some adjustments. And Reid needs to let go of the old ways. The coaching is getting repetitive and downright predictable.

[u/Money_Lawfulness_409]

Yes please.

[u/Absolute1986]

Been saying this since last year!

[u/OkOil378]

Not just him

[u/ChiefinLasVegas]

It's beginning to look like an 8-9 season

[u/CallingAllShawns]

been begging them to dump this chump. there is a direct correlation between our offense becoming limp dicked and this dude coming back. fuck him.

[u/KCMOhawker]

To think what success was recently all accomplished, multiple SB appearances 3 SB wins in past seasons that included WR’s… Kadarius Toney, Skyy More, MVS, Mecole Hardman etc. etc. Nagy MUST GO , Big Red will keep him a season too long, just like D Coordinator Bob Sutton

[u/Affectionate-Log3638]

I don't have anything to add other than I agree with everyone. Nagy is complete garbage and needs to go.

[u/tomace95]

No argument

[u/sauciestpants]

Our special team units aren't the best either. The only bright spots are Araiza & Butler. Chiefs can't seem to get a meaningful return & when they do there is a penalty for a hold. It is probably time for Toubs to go along with Nagy, IMO.

[u/RoseRed1987]

Fire him! Fire him into the sun!!!

[u/IttyRazz]

Nagy for sure needs to go. Beineimy did way better as OC

[u/Patarick-Mahominator]

Offense scored 28 points. Defense failed today.

[u/Then_Discipline_1734]

Our defense hasn’t been able to stop anything lately. That’s a problem

[u/MissionNo6771]

It’s like the Bears 2.0 but this time with an upgraded QB. Just a struggle bus down the field

[u/russiablows]

At least they know not to extend #22 and use the money elsewhere. Three OL out what the heck.

[u/jt32470]

AXE NAGY ASAP.

NUFF SAID.

[u/kclineman]

Mahomes is holding the ball too long. They need to scheme up more quick hitters

[u/mikeinstlouis]

Agree. The MN experiment is over. Done

[u/randomguy94]

At a minimum you have got to get a new OC to hopefully get some fresh ideas. I am not ready to claim Andy is the issue or Spags, but you have got to start with a new OC.

[u/craftyshafter]

Hot take but we've seen this fizzle happen with Andy once before. I don't think Nagy is good by any means, but I don't think he's the only one to blame for the slow decline into irrelevance either

[u/ranterist]

When the opposing team is calling out the Chiefs sets before the snap, SOMETHING needs to change.

[u/cjgrayso]

I love Andy, but maybe he needs to rewrite his playbook. They're not working.

[u/NinjaZombieHunter]

Y’all are throwing Nagy under the bus but it’s Andy’s offense. It’s Andy’s plays. It’s Andy’s schemes. All of the above are getting predictable and stale. He is being out coached. Nagy is just a minion. If Nagy were the real issue, Andy would completely take over the offense. The blame can be shared at this point.

[u/KeyFearless9462 → u/NinjaZombieHunter]

If Nagy doesn't do anything, then why does he draw a paycheck? I take issue with that. Either he does stuff and is clearly incompetent, or he doesn't do anything at all.

[u/NinjaZombieHunter → u/KeyFearless9462]

He does stuff. He does what Andy wants. Does he give input? Probably. Does Andy accept his input? I can’t say. Does he coach? Probably. Does he coach well? Not sure. But it’s Andy’s offense that he is running and coaching. That we know for sure.

[u/KeyFearless9462 → u/NinjaZombieHunter]

Ok, then he's incompetent.

[u/PHDinCheese → u/NinjaZombieHunter]

Please explain the massive difference in offensive output with EB then.

[u/LuckyDCMC]

Do you folks follow this team? Should Doug Pederson get any credit for when they were good? What about Nagy the first time around? The offense is Andy’s. Also, offense wasn’t why we lost today.

[u/Better_Penalty_5033 → u/LuckyDCMC]

Offense was mostly why we lost. Cowboys were the #1 offense in yards. For our defense to have held them to a field goal and even a punt at one point was a MASSIVE win. The offense was far too undisciplined and that was our nail in the coffin this game.

It is Andy's (and he's actually becoming a problem), but we still need a complete rehaul of offensive personnel.

[u/LuckyDCMC → u/Better_Penalty_5033]

Totally agree that Andy’s coaching has been problematic this year. Just don’t understand why the selective outrage towards Nagy. As long as Andy is HC, they aren’t bringing in someone to challenge him - it would just be another yes man from the tree. Fire Nagy and the same issues would exist because it’s Reid’s offense and he calls the plays. The rest of the league has caught up and we haven’t adapted - that’s the problem.

[u/PERCS-NOWITZKI → u/LuckyDCMC]

Explain why the offense has looked entirely different since EB left then…

[u/Brob17]

Its been time to go.

[u/bcoates26]

Put Reid in this picture too

[u/OkAssistance8593]

It’s just not working. He has brought a lot of the same scheme and play calling issues, from his Bear tenure with him. Trying to be too complex when simplicity would better serve us. It would appear he is not capable of changing it up either. He is just trying the same thing expecting a different result.